Post by: sc0ttie on 22 January 2017, 11:57:09 am
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2-Universal-7-8-22mm-Handlebar-Motorcycle-Bike-Handguards-Hand-Guards-Protector-/371841531733?hash=item56937b7f55:g:LrIAAOSwZQRYfcHA (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2-Universal-7-8-22mm-Handlebar-Motorcycle-Bike-Handguards-Hand-Guards-Protector-/371841531733?hash=item56937b7f55:g:LrIAAOSwZQRYfcHA)
They bolt on to the end of the handlebar weights no problem but I am having problems with how to attach to the handle bar at the other end. The metal attachment strip provided is too short to reach the mirror mount on my handlebars/brake/clutch lever assembly.
lever with mirror mount |
Post by: Fazerider on 22 January 2017, 12:25:11 pm
I bought some of those a couple of weeks ago.
I found the original bar ends fractionally too long so used the ones supplied. I couldn't get the bit the bar end screws into out of the bar, so had to saw the plastic ones down to suit... and find a screw that was shorter than the supplied one and longer than the OEM one.
I took a file to the part of the plastic guard to whittle it down to fit close enough to the fixing on the lever assembly for the metal bracket to reach the redundant mirror mount.
Luckily I found a screw of the right chunky dimensions to suit on the LHS, but the one on the right is a left-hand thread so I used a strip of rubber coiled up in the hole as a sort of Rawlplug and a 6mm bolt tightened up sufficiently.
Despite my efforts the guards still collide with the fairing at full lock, though only just… the fairing flexes enough that it's not a hazard. They also touch the mirrors at full lock. So they'll have to come off at MOT time as they'd probably cause it to fail.
Apart from that, and the fact it took me nearly 2 days to bodge onto the bike, I'm reasonably happy with them. At least my hands are warmer.
Post by: fazersharp on 22 January 2017, 12:42:56 pm
I have looked into it a few times when it gets cold as I think it would just do enough to extend my ride as the only part of me that gets cold is my fingers, dont want to go down the muff or hot grips route.
Could you just chop off more of the guard where it touches the fairing
Post by: Fazerider on 22 January 2017, 03:24:05 pm
I'd recommend heated grips. I was very sceptical before buying: a puny few watts competing with an 80mph blast of air at 0ºC probably wouldn't be noticeable I thought… I was wrong, it does make a difference.
Looking at my fitment again, the guards barely touch the fairing, filing the arrowed bit of the guards allowed me to get them closer to the bar.
(https://s19.postimg.cc/yd52xdrfn/handguard2.jpg)
It's the mirrors that are the main problem. I even bunged a couple of washers under the rearmost mount to push them a bit further forwards, but they still get pushed about 10mm by the guards. If you have different mirrors: adjustable ones or perhaps the longer-stemmed ones off the 1000cc Fazer there might not be an issue.
(https://s19.postimg.cc/itp9haplv/handguard1.jpg)
I'll stick with mine though, the rearwards view may be crap, but with the amount of filtering I do the narrowness is too useful to lose.
Another option is modifying the fairing mounting so that it's a little further forwards, I've noticed a few people have done that to create a bit more space.
Post by: darrsi on 22 January 2017, 04:11:05 pm
As for heated grips, i simply could not do without them, and the pair i have now are the hottest ones i've ever bought with loads of settings.
It has to be below zero for me to use the hottest setting otherwise i would burn my hands through my gloves, which i think is very impressive.
I think once you've tried them you would never have a bike without them.
Post by: fazersharp on 22 January 2017, 04:25:23 pm
not sure about grips as its not my hands that get cold as-such but my fingers from my knuckles to the tips and as I dont really grip sort of all the way around my fingers dots really touch the grips much
Post by: darrsi on 22 January 2017, 04:40:33 pm
For me any amount of touching the fairing or mirrors is a no-go, in the event of an off I am not giving the insurance any excuse not to pay.
not sure about grips as its not my hands that get cold as-such but my fingers from my knuckles to the tips and as I dont really grip sort of all the way around my fingers dots really touch the grips much
Heat travels, trust me you will really appreciate them.
Post by: sc0ttie on 22 January 2017, 05:48:09 pm
I bought some of those a couple of weeks ago.
I found the original bar ends fractionally too long so used the ones supplied. I couldn't get the bit the bar end screws into out of the bar, so had to saw the plastic ones down to suit... and find a screw that was shorter than the supplied one and longer than the OEM one.
I took a file to the part of the plastic guard to whittle it down to fit close enough to the fixing on the lever assembly for the metal bracket to reach the redundant mirror mount.
Luckily I found a screw of the right chunky dimensions to suit on the LHS, but the one on the right is a left-hand thread so I used a strip of rubber coiled up in the hole as a sort of Rawlplug and a 6mm bolt tightened up sufficiently.
Despite my efforts the guards still collide with the fairing at full lock, though only just… the fairing flexes enough that it's not a hazard. They also touch the mirrors at full lock. So they'll have to come off at MOT time as they'd probably cause it to fail.
Apart from that, and the fact it took me nearly 2 days to bodge onto the bike, I'm reasonably happy with them. At least my hands are warmer.
I could not fit the plastic bar ends supplied with the guards into my bars either, so i kept my original bar ends in place and had a couple of 50mm allen bolts to use to hold the guards and heavy bar ends into the handle bars, but perhaps that is why the metal bracket plate doesn't reach my mirror mounts on the levers. I just see on this page that most mirror mounts are 10mm with 1.25 thread. http://www.ebay.co.uk/gds/How-do-I-know-the-size-of-my-motorcycle-mirrors-thread-/10000000175460326/g.html (http://www.ebay.co.uk/gds/How-do-I-know-the-size-of-my-motorcycle-mirrors-thread-/10000000175460326/g.html)
Having fitted your hand guards did you find it helped stop the numb fingers?
Post by: fazersharp on 22 January 2017, 05:52:46 pm
I do have very good gloves that last me about 1/2 hour when its really cold was just looking at guards to extend that comfortable ride time but for the amout of time I actually can get out in the winter im not sure heated would be worth it.
I have even thought of a bearmat size sort of shield attached to the glove that covers the fingers, just to take away the wind blast, might get in the way when going for the leavers but it would be no longer that my fingers
Post by: fazersharp on 22 January 2017, 05:55:52 pm
Post by: sc0ttie on 22 January 2017, 06:10:04 pm
I have a bit of a problem with bad circulation in my fingers which is the majority of the problem for me.So do I, surgery on veins & artery in my arm from years ago. I was wondering if muffs are easily removeable, i.e. quick detach/quick reattach and also if when it rains and the bike is parked outside will the inside get all wet and make your hands colder? Having never owned muffs, I don't know but those thoughts kind of put me off muffs.
I do have very good gloves that last me about 1/2 hour when its really cold was just looking at guards to extend that comfortable ride time but for the amout of time I actually can get out in the winter im not sure heated would be worth it.
I have even thought of a bearmat size sort of shield attached to the glove that covers the fingers, just to take away the wind blast, might get in the way when going for the leavers but it would be no longer that my fingers
Post by: fazersharp on 22 January 2017, 06:31:23 pm
Having never owned muffs, I don't know but those thoughts kind of put me off muffs.The other thing that puts me off muffs is they look horrible, also they can suffer from collapsing in under wind blast but there is som sort of extra wire gaurd like a brake guard that you fit inside them.
I think what would work better for me is heated inner gloves that run off a battery in your pocket
Post by: darrenc on 22 January 2017, 08:17:35 pm
Post by: Fazerider on 22 January 2017, 09:18:46 pm
I have a bit of a problem with bad circulation in my fingers which is the majority of the problem for me.
Yes, my circulation is piss-poor too, even indoors my hands are like ice. I'm very familiar with the agony of thawing out frozen fingers after a ride.
Years ago I tried a set of muffs. That didn't last long. The first day I used them I needed to wipe my visor, the muff neatly peeled the Vee-wipe off my finger and lost it. When I tried to put my hand back the thing had collapsed in the 70 mph breeze and I had an anxious moment bringing the bike to a halt.
It's hard to quantify the effect of heated grips in a scientific way, but I'd estimate mine give an extra 3ºC worth of help… less at high speed and more if just pootling around town. Darrsi's sound a fair bit more powerful.
The handguards extend that up to motorway speeds, I've found last week's temperatures easy to bear: previously 80mph at -2ºC for 25 minutes would have been frostbite territory.
Post by: fazersharp on 23 January 2017, 11:44:14 am
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but I'd estimate mine give an extra 3ºC worth of help… less at high speed and more if just pootling around town. Darrsi's sound a fair bit more powerful.
I dont do much pootling, maybe darrsi's sound so good because they are mainly used in a commuting capacity. ? although a help I dont think 3c would be enough
IWith all the above being said I just sadly don't get on with them :(Why did you not get on with them
Post by: darrenc on 23 January 2017, 11:48:16 am
Post by: darrsi on 23 January 2017, 01:26:45 pm
"Dr Bike" sounds familiar but when i looked for them the heat switch looked different to mine.
Post by: mr self destruct on 24 January 2017, 11:12:39 am
Post by: Fazerider on 24 January 2017, 12:51:28 pm
I have these exact hand guards, fitted with the original bar ends, longer bolts and a spacer to stop them hitting the fairing. However, I haven't attached them with the inner mounts at all. I suppose I could bend up a bit of flat plate or buy a bit of Mexicano from Halfords, but the guards don't really move with just the bar end bolt holding them.I think it was you who posted the link that I followed to those particular handguards.
Had I looked a bit closer I'd have realised yours is a foxeye so it wasn't a good guide as to whether they're suitable for the earlier version. That said, I'm happy with them... a bit of a faff to adapt, but they're cheap and very effective.
Post by: mr self destruct on 24 January 2017, 07:13:59 pm
Ah crap. Sorry about that, didn't realise the fairings were that different.I have these exact hand guards, fitted with the original bar ends, longer bolts and a spacer to stop them hitting the fairing. However, I haven't attached them with the inner mounts at all. I suppose I could bend up a bit of flat plate or buy a bit of Mexicano from Halfords, but the guards don't really move with just the bar end bolt holding them.I think it was you who posted the link that I followed to those particular handguards.
Had I looked a bit closer I'd have realised yours is a foxeye so it wasn't a good guide as to whether they're suitable for the earlier version. That said, I'm happy with them... a bit of a faff to adapt, but they're cheap and very effective.
Post by: joebloggs on 25 January 2017, 08:53:57 pm
Great if you can get on with them
Post by: Townhill on 02 February 2017, 08:17:15 am
Steve
Post by: fazersharp on 05 February 2017, 07:30:41 pm
Perhaps I will just stick to short 1/2 - 1 hour blasts in the winter, after all I don't have to ride when its cold as I don't commute - but then again if I was communing I don't think my hands would get so cold as they would get used more with stop and starts and less wind blast.
Post by: darrsi on 16 February 2017, 05:58:28 pm
Ok out today dry but cold and had a purposeful look and feel at the way I grip and its mainly with my palm and thumb and from my knuckles to my fingertips I don't really touch the grips. Baring in mind my shit circulation in that area and my actual hands don't get cold I still don't see how heated grips will help me. I don't even use my hands much what with clutch-less changing and 2 finger braking with braided lines, I have tried wiggling my fingers around to see if that helps.
Perhaps I will just stick to short 1/2 - 1 hour blasts in the winter, after all I don't have to ride when its cold as I don't commute - but then again if I was communing I don't think my hands would get so cold as they would get used more with stop and starts and less wind blast.
So you have different hands to everyone else?
You don't touch the grips when riding? That's clever! :lol
Heat travels, if your palms are being blasted with heat then the attached fingers will obviously get some warmth as well.
Post by: darrsi on 16 February 2017, 06:03:24 pm
Bargain price too. :thumbup
Just read somewhere else that these are rebranded but still made by Oxford.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DR-BIKE-HEATED-GRIPS-MOTORCYCLE-MOTORBIKE-KEEP-WARM-UNIVERSAL-22MM-FIT-/141881650983?hash=item2108ce2f27:m:miyfM2IjN6ISfB-iIQ9whcw (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DR-BIKE-HEATED-GRIPS-MOTORCYCLE-MOTORBIKE-KEEP-WARM-UNIVERSAL-22MM-FIT-/141881650983?hash=item2108ce2f27:m:miyfM2IjN6ISfB-iIQ9whcw)
Post by: fazersharp on 16 February 2017, 08:53:15 pm
No like I said my fingers from knuckles to the tips do not really touch the grips its thumb, palms and half my fingers, and warming my palms up wont help my finger cause I have got crap circulation.Ok out today dry but cold and had a purposeful look and feel at the way I grip and its mainly with my palm and thumb and from my knuckles to my fingertips I don't really touch the grips. Baring in mind my shit circulation in that area and my actual hands don't get cold I still don't see how heated grips will help me. I don't even use my hands much what with clutch-less changing and 2 finger braking with braided lines, I have tried wiggling my fingers around to see if that helps.
Perhaps I will just stick to short 1/2 - 1 hour blasts in the winter, after all I don't have to ride when its cold as I don't commute - but then again if I was communing I don't think my hands would get so cold as they would get used more with stop and starts and less wind blast.
So you have different hands to everyone else?
You don't touch the grips when riding? That's clever! :lol
Heat travels, if your palms are being blasted with heat then the attached fingers will obviously get some warmth as well.
Post by: darrsi on 16 February 2017, 09:02:16 pm
No like I said my fingers from knuckles to the tips do not really touch the grips its thumb, palms and half my fingers, and warming my palms up wont help my finger cause I have got crap circulation.Ok out today dry but cold and had a purposeful look and feel at the way I grip and its mainly with my palm and thumb and from my knuckles to my fingertips I don't really touch the grips. Baring in mind my shit circulation in that area and my actual hands don't get cold I still don't see how heated grips will help me. I don't even use my hands much what with clutch-less changing and 2 finger braking with braided lines, I have tried wiggling my fingers around to see if that helps.
Perhaps I will just stick to short 1/2 - 1 hour blasts in the winter, after all I don't have to ride when its cold as I don't commute - but then again if I was communing I don't think my hands would get so cold as they would get used more with stop and starts and less wind blast.
So you have different hands to everyone else?
You don't touch the grips when riding? That's clever! :lol
Heat travels, if your palms are being blasted with heat then the attached fingers will obviously get some warmth as well.
It doesn't cook your blood, your hands will get hot inside the gloves creating warm air.
Stop making excuses, i'm fairly sure we all use the handlebars very similarly, we have to use the front brake and clutch too.
"...The new generation of Dr Bike Heated Grips are essential for colder weather and feature fully adjustable temperature control. The unique expandable grips are constructed from anti-split anti-perish rubber and fit easily on to 22MM bars and include a rainproof button control system, which is easy to use with gloves on. These are suitable for use on motorcycles as well as snow mobiles and ATVs and can heat up to 55 degrees in temperature to keep your hands nice and toasty! With a unique expandable design and fool-proof wiring loom they are extremely east to fit (please read instructions carefully) and the drain on your battery is minimal (up to 1.5 amps)..."
Post by: darrsi on 17 February 2017, 06:00:28 am
I just stuck the little control unit to my right side fairing infill panel using velcro so that it has more protection from bad weather and is out of the way but still very easy to access, but it is waterproof anyway.
Only main recommendation is that you DO NOT wire straight to the battery, you wire so that it cuts out when the ignition is turned off.
At those sort of temperatures you don't wanna be leaving them switched on by mistake.
Post by: fazersharp on 18 February 2017, 10:21:00 am
Post by: darrsi on 18 February 2017, 01:03:24 pm
Just thought that te reason that I do not grip all the way round is because my grips are thinner than the fatter heated ones, either that or you have short stubby little fingers.
If anything, if the heated grips are a millimetre or two thicker then that would be better on the hands, although it's not something i've ever noticed or even thought about.
To me they're just grips, i don't think they are oversized in any way?
Post by: SteveMc278 on 13 March 2017, 08:39:10 pm
FZS600s don’t lend themselves to hand guards but it can be done...….a TDM or Versys for example or other bikes like them are easier as the front fairing is narrower.
So that your Fazer hand guards don’t foul the fairing when turning the bars you’ll want to buy some slim...ish hand guards as your starting point. Once you’ve fitted them and fine tuned the position - dremmel or cut any remaining part of the hand guard which makes contact with the fairing when turning the bars.
What you get in return is gloves that will dry out more quickly after riding through heavy rain. From my experience the benefits of stopping wind chill on your fingers aren't as good as one would expect but it certainly helps…..and depends how cold it is etc.
The other issue is that they change big time the styling/appearance of the Fazer but if hand guards are what you want then you have to get used to that.