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General => General => Topic started by: darrsi on 23 October 2016, 01:05:59 pm
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The driver of the car got fined $7000.......somehow?
:lurk
http://video.dailymail.co.uk/video/mol/2016/10/22/7776628855057462729/1024x576_MP4_7776628855057462729.mp4 (http://video.dailymail.co.uk/video/mol/2016/10/22/7776628855057462729/1024x576_MP4_7776628855057462729.mp4)
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Mistakes on both sides there I would say.
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Asking for trouble, riding through traffic at that speed.
Car drivers make those sort of manoeuvres all the time in city traffic. You have to expect it and be prepared for it.
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Fault on both sides but a $7,000 fine for the car driver seems over the top unless there is more to it than what we see. e.g. no insurance.
Credit to both of them for handling it in such a calm and polite manner though.
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I would have said 50/50. Neither vehicle was extensively damaged but both would cost money to get back right so I would have personally walked away with an apology and a lesson learnt.
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Well I think he was riding like a dick. Right or wrong you won't live very long expecting cars to see you and give way all the time. Look at his speedo.
He managed to find the horn but not the brakes?!
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Biker at fault riding like a nut job, he nearly got clipped by the red car suv coming out of the side road what speed ws he doing.
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:agree
If you watch his speedo he actually increased his speed, any normal rider would have slowed. He would want to take a few lessons on road craft.
An red suv pulling out from the left and the black one at an angle ready to change lanes, was time to back off and assess the situation more clearly, which he did not do. An accident waiting to happen is what he was judging by his inability to assess the situation.
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Did I mention he was a pizza delivery rider? :rolleyes
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There is something about the sound of the de-accelleration as the biker got closer to the car that is twitching my spidy sence, call me paranoid but me thinks the crash was a setup to get money, maybe he was looking at getting a new bike and saw this as a quick win to get some dosh.
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Did I mention he was a pizza delivery rider? :rolleyes
No.
He doesn't seem all that bothered about the crash really does he. Odd.
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Did I mention he was a pizza delivery rider? :rolleyes
No.
He doesn't seem all that bothered about the crash really does he. Odd.
Probably an old pro at it. :rolleyes
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Who accelerates in this scenario? :eek
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After watching the video a few more times you can clearly see the bike deliberately hits the car, as he had more than enough room and time to slow down and/or swerve to the left to avoid a crash, but no he slows down and maintained a straight line.
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After watching the video a few more times you can clearly see the bike deliberately hits the car, as he had more than enough room and time to slow down and/or swerve to the left to avoid a crash, but no he slows down and maintained a straight line.
Could be a simple case of experience versus stupidity/naivety.
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Bit of a strange one, I wonder if the car pulling out took his eye off the car he eventually hit, and the increase in speed was to try to pass the vehicle pulling out of the side road. Either way I'd say he didn't have time to evaluate the situation before it was to late.
Can't believe the driver was fined at all let alone 7K
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In an ideal world it would've been super nice if the drivers had indicated at what they were doing, but in fairness at such slow movements in virtually static traffic you shouldn't really expect some doofus to be charging at you from behind regardless.
How the driver got a fine of that amount is beyond belief, and if it was me i would have to contest it all the way.
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Just wonder if said driver has no insurance and banned while driving and a string of convictions the length of your arm + driving a stolen vehicle. Might explain the £7k fine :rollin
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Just wonder if said driver has no insurance and banned while driving and a string of convictions the length of your arm + driving a stolen vehicle. Might explain the £7k fine :rollin
I can't find the bloody article now, but i think it just said the driver was found to be at fault, i don't remember anything else being mentioned.
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Motorcyclist knocked from bike by a car changing lanes as he rode between the traffic | Daily Mail Online
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3862184/But-wrong-Motorcyclist-knocked-bike-car-changing-lanes-rode-traffic.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3862184/But-wrong-Motorcyclist-knocked-bike-car-changing-lanes-rode-traffic.html)
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Sometimes "sorry" is enough... Have you had a personal injury?... You may have a claim!
personal injury is the reason why insurance premiums have quadrupled over the last decade.
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Easily avoided, should have been on the brakes as soon as he saw the red car coming out and shouldn't have been going as fast in the first place.
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I think the reason the driver was fined is that, according to the article, he said "I did see you were coming. I think you were driving a bit fast?".
No matter that the biker was riding like a twat, that's pretty much an admission of guilt.
Of course the biker could have (and should have) easily avoided the situation in the first place, so he gets very little sympathy from me.
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Easily avoided, should have been on the brakes as soon as he saw the red car coming out and shouldn't have been going as fast in the first place.
Agree - didn't brake and he had time to avoid. Lack of experience the cause. Just my 2p
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After watching the video a few more times you can clearly see the bike deliberately hits the car, as he had more than enough room and time to slow down and/or swerve to the left to avoid a crash, but no he slows down and maintained a straight line.
Could be a simple case of experience versus stupidity/naivety.
Could just as easily have been target fixation I guess
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After watching the video a few more times you can clearly see the bike deliberately hits the car, as he had more than enough room and time to slow down and/or swerve to the left to avoid a crash, but no he slows down and maintained a straight line.
Could be a simple case of experience versus stupidity/naivety.
Could just as easily have been target fixation I guess
Possibaly, but my gut feeling is he saw an oppertunity for a payout and risked it. The lack of anger from the biker confuses the hell out of me as I would be going mental if I got knocked off my bike, which to me is another factor to my thoughts that the crash was a crazy attempt at getting a payout, either that or the biker is just a complete bellend :lol
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or the biker is just a complete bellend :lol
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We'll he is an Australian pizza delivery boy.... 😜😜
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could it be that our Australian cousins are just very polite and friendly people :lol
Or that he realised that he's a complete twat, the sort of nob that gives bikers a bad name worldwide and should have avoided the shunt as he could have done before the Aussie compo dollars ker chinged in his eyes ....And now he feels a little bit stupid and guilty.
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Motorcyclists all over the world should unite (think of it as a bikers amnesty international) and petition the court to return that woman her money and get him banned from ever riding anything faster than a Puch Maxi (with stabalizers)
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get him banned from ever riding anything faster than a Puch Maxi (with stabalizers)
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin LOVE IT :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
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After watching the video a few more times you can clearly see the bike deliberately hits the car, as he had more than enough room and time to slow down and/or swerve to the left to avoid a crash, but no he slows down and maintained a straight line.
Could be a simple case of experience versus stupidity/naivety.
Could just as easily have been target fixation I guess
Agrees with Dead Eye.
Bike is accelerating to hard given the situation, sees his exit is being shut off from both sides, red car from left black on from right, panics, locks onto bars, shoulders freeze up and continues in a straight line, As Dead Eye said 'Target Fixation' had he not locked himself up there was both time and room to have slowed some and passed to the rear and right hand side of the black car.
One thing I would say though is that the footage from the dash or Go-Pro type cams can be very deceiving as the are often about 140 degree wide angle that makes things look further away, so the distances involved may not be as great as they at first seem. The upshot is if that was the case with shorter distances than they appear it makes the bikers case worse, the prick was still accelerating to fast.
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Who accelerates in this scenario? :eek
Looking at Brett's freeze frame capture there was plenty of time to avoid that impact, the black car involved is already making their move, which I personally think is ligitimate, the red car is well out from the junction, what the F was the matter with the biker as he is still accelerating?
The distances show in Bretty's capture is about 5 vehicle lengths between the front of the bike and the rear of the black vehicle involved that is already at an angle beginning to cross lanes, well into making the manoeuvre.
Not sure what the rules governing filtering is in Australia but here in U.K they are quite strict.
it is something like when filtering you should not be going more than 10 mph faster than the traffic you are filtering through and if you filter through traffic that is doing more than 20mph it is an illeagle undertaking manoeuvre.
I Would need to check that out but it is something like that, so most bikers who filter are actually breaking the law.
If the above figures are correct you should never be doing more than 30mph when filtering, it poss that I have not got the exact figures though.
I have been on the M25 doing 30mph (yes sometimes you really can) in my car and had bikers filtering past that have scared the crap out of me, did not either see them in all their black gear on their dark bikes with not a light showing and doing far in access of 40 mph,
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Who accelerates in this scenario? :eek
Looking at Brett's freeze frame capture there was plenty of time to avoid that impact, the black car involved is already making their move, which I personally think is ligitimate, the red car is well out from the junction, what the F was the matter with the biker as he is still accelerating?
The distances show in Bretty's capture is about 5 vehicle lengths between the front of the bike and the rear of the black vehicle involved that is already at an angle beginning to cross lanes, well into making the manoeuvre.
Not sure what the rules governing filtering is in Australia but here in U.K they are quite strict.
it is something like when filtering you should not be going more than 10 mph faster than the traffic you are filtering through and if you filter through traffic that is doing more than 20mph it is an illeagle undertaking manoeuvre.
I Would need to check that out but it is something like that, so most bikers who filter are actually breaking the law.
If the above figures are correct you should never be doing more than 30mph when filtering, it poss that I have not got the exact figures though.
I have been on the M25 doing 30mph (yes sometimes you really can) in my car and had bikers filtering past that have scared the crap out of me, did not either see them in all their black gear on their dark bikes with not a light showing and doing far in access of 40 mph,
Not like this then?
Watch from about 4mins
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XihQeZpwqpE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XihQeZpwqpE)
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Who accelerates in this scenario? :eek
Looking at Brett's freeze frame capture there was plenty of time to avoid that impact, the black car involved is already making their move, which I personally think is ligitimate, the red car is well out from the junction, what the F was the matter with the biker as he is still accelerating?
The distances show in Bretty's capture is about 5 vehicle lengths between the front of the bike and the rear of the black vehicle involved that is already at an angle beginning to cross lanes, well into making the manoeuvre.
Not sure what the rules governing filtering is in Australia but here in U.K they are quite strict.
it is something like when filtering you should not be going more than 10 mph faster than the traffic you are filtering through and if you filter through traffic that is doing more than 20mph it is an illeagle undertaking manoeuvre.
I Would need to check that out but it is something like that, so most bikers who filter are actually breaking the law.
If the above figures are correct you should never be doing more than 30mph when filtering, it poss that I have not got the exact figures though.
I have been on the M25 doing 30mph (yes sometimes you really can) in my car and had bikers filtering past that have scared the crap out of me, did not either see them in all their black gear on their dark bikes with not a light showing and doing far in access of 40 mph,
Not like this then?
Watch from about 4mins
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XihQeZpwqpE[/url] ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XihQeZpwqpE[/url])
Dangerous...yes BUT when you get that text from the other half telling you it's sex time, what else are you meant to do?
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Dangerous...yes BUT when you get that text from the other half telling you it's sex time, what else are you meant to do?
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
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Who accelerates in this scenario? :eek
Looking at Brett's freeze frame capture there was plenty of time to avoid that impact, the black car involved is already making their move, which I personally think is ligitimate, the red car is well out from the junction, what the F was the matter with the biker as he is still accelerating?
The distances show in Bretty's capture is about 5 vehicle lengths between the front of the bike and the rear of the black vehicle involved that is already at an angle beginning to cross lanes, well into making the manoeuvre.
Not sure what the rules governing filtering is in Australia but here in U.K they are quite strict.
it is something like when filtering you should not be going more than 10 mph faster than the traffic you are filtering through and if you filter through traffic that is doing more than 20mph it is an illeagle undertaking manoeuvre.
I Would need to check that out but it is something like that, so most bikers who filter are actually breaking the law.
If the above figures are correct you should never be doing more than 30mph when filtering, it poss that I have not got the exact figures though.
I have been on the M25 doing 30mph (yes sometimes you really can) in my car and had bikers filtering past that have scared the crap out of me, did not either see them in all their black gear on their dark bikes with not a light showing and doing far in access of 40 mph,
Not like this then?
Watch from about 4mins
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XihQeZpwqpE[/url] ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XihQeZpwqpE[/url])
Dangerous...yes BUT when you get that text from the other half telling you it's sex time, what else are you meant to do?
I'm just 70 Dudeofrude, so do not get texts like that, and, even if I did I would fill the bike up with unleaded and and keep going the opposite way.
I would sooner have an extra spud on me plate lol!
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And that's how they deliver pizzas in Russia , watch and learn aussies
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And that's how they deliver pizzas in Russia , watch and learn aussies
The method is don't give the car the chance to brake......go past it first. :lol
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Who accelerates in this scenario? :eek
Looking at Brett's freeze frame capture there was plenty of time to avoid that impact, the black car involved is already making their move, which I personally think is ligitimate, the red car is well out from the junction, what the F was the matter with the biker as he is still accelerating?
The distances show in Bretty's capture is about 5 vehicle lengths between the front of the bike and the rear of the black vehicle involved that is already at an angle beginning to cross lanes, well into making the manoeuvre.
Not sure what the rules governing filtering is in Australia but here in U.K they are quite strict.
it is something like when filtering you should not be going more than 10 mph faster than the traffic you are filtering through and if you filter through traffic that is doing more than 20mph it is an illeagle undertaking manoeuvre.
I Would need to check that out but it is something like that, so most bikers who filter are actually breaking the law.
If the above figures are correct you should never be doing more than 30mph when filtering, it poss that I have not got the exact figures though.
I have been on the M25 doing 30mph (yes sometimes you really can) in my car and had bikers filtering past that have scared the crap out of me, did not either see them in all their black gear on their dark bikes with not a light showing and doing far in access of 40 mph,
Not like this then?
Watch from about 4mins
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XihQeZpwqpE[/url] ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XihQeZpwqpE[/url])
Dangerous...yes BUT when you get that text from the other half telling you it's sex time, what else are you meant to do?
I'm just 70 Dudeofrude, so do not get texts like that, and, even if I did I would fill the bike up with unleaded and and keep going the opposite way.
I would sooner have an extra spud on me plate lol!
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
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Here's how it's done...
https://rumble.com/v325rw-lane-splitting-motorcyclist-wrecks-into-the-back-of-a-pickup-truck.html?mref=7jwq&mc=bpxp1 (https://rumble.com/v325rw-lane-splitting-motorcyclist-wrecks-into-the-back-of-a-pickup-truck.html?mref=7jwq&mc=bpxp1)
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Either that shunt ripped the dudes trooosers off or unbelievably he was riding through traffic at those speeds in shorts :eek , a good lesson on how to turn your body into a raw beef burger 🍔 "Would you like fries and a drink with your legs sir "
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Personally I blame YouTube!! Watch some "biker channels" and these guys with cameras are out looking for footage. They are engineering situations for footage. They will put themselves in situations where any normal rider would just assess the situation and back off. I think he got distracted by the red car pulling out and saw an opportunity to add another clip to his collection. He was probably thinking "I'll get along side this guy (in the red car) and rev my engine / slap his wing mirror / stair him out and shout abuse " Got distracted and missed the black car changing lanes until it was too late.
I do think both the red car and black car were both at fault but equally with the rider.
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Here's how it's done...
https://rumble.com/v325rw-lane-splitting-motorcyclist-wrecks-into-the-back-of-a-pickup-truck.html?mref=7jwq&mc=bpxp1 (https://rumble.com/v325rw-lane-splitting-motorcyclist-wrecks-into-the-back-of-a-pickup-truck.html?mref=7jwq&mc=bpxp1)
It's just cringeworthy to watch.
At those sort of speeds you need to take a wide berth of everything, not suddenly "creep up" on unsuspecting people. It's why i've always been a fan of the louder exhaust, i want you to hear me approaching, the noise is for a reason.
To be honest if you slowed that video down it's not much different to the one i showed to begin with, and in my opinion is blatantly still the bikers fault.
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Not sure what the rules governing filtering is in Australia but here in U.K they are quite strict.
it is something like when filtering you should not be going more than 10 mph faster than the traffic you are filtering through and if you filter through traffic that is doing more than 20mph it is an illeagle undertaking manoeuvre.
I Would need to check that out but it is something like that, so most bikers who filter are actually breaking the law.
I've not heard of any laws stating that.
The only thing in the Highway Code is Paragraph 88 which says:
Rule 88
Manoeuvring. You should be aware of what is behind and to the sides before manoeuvring. Look behind you; use mirrors if they are fitted. When in traffic queues look out for pedestrians crossing between vehicles and vehicles emerging from junctions or changing lanes. Position yourself so that drivers in front can see you in their mirrors. Additionally, when filtering in slow-moving traffic, take care and keep your speed low.
Yes, 20 Delta 15 (don't fillter if traffic is going at more than 20mph and don't go more than 15mph faster than the traffic speed) is recommended, but AIUI unless you're aggressively chopping between lanes and blatantly undertaking, you're not likely to get done for Careless Driving.
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bit of a blank at present.