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Title: Shiny vs Filthy
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 05 April 2016, 10:35:03 pm
Just a little ramble I posted on another forum, might stimulate a bit of conversation, or just kill a couple of minutes for you:


(sorry, I'm bored, it's raining, and my bikes are clean and shiny in the shed).


Who gets more enjoyment out of their bike; those who keep it cosseted in the garage as long as there's so much as a little, fluffy white cloud in the corner of the sky; so polished, spotless and shiny that to look at it puts you at risk of burning out your retinas; or those that think, feck it, who cares about a bit of dirt, and get out on it come rain or shine until it gets so you can barely tell what the original colour of the paintwork is supposed to be, and people to start to say to you it looks good in the landscape, and you have a sneaking suspicion that's because half of the landscape is splurged all over it?


Ok, I ride less in the winter these days. I can make excuses about having done all the shit weather riding when I was younger, can afford a car now so no need to go through all that with the layers of gear etc. But it's all bullshit really. I don't ride much in the winter because I can't be bothered with all the cleaning of the bike I feel the need to do when it gets covered in road shit. Yes, I could clean it once before the onset of crap weather season (isn't that all year round in Britain? I hear the cynics shout - cheer up, for feck's sake!), then drown it in ACF and forget about it until the northern hemisphere nods towards the sun again, letting layer upon layer of grime build up like the deposited sediments of an ancient river bed.


 The thing is, I do have a certain pride in the appearance of my bikes. And it's not even really connected with the idea of maintaining it's value. I don't care what it's worth when I get bored with it and want a change. I buy bikes for me to enjoy, not the next feckin sod who might want to sniff round it if it's got a price on it's head. If, when I do decide to sell, it's not worth much, then I'll scrape together some more cash to add to the proceeds for the next thing that takes my fancy.
 
But over the winter, I do seem to develop a bit of this over-protective mentality. I begin to treat bikes like they were some kind of rare artefact from a long-lost era that need to be preserved as close to their original state so that distant generations might benefit from the knowledge of "this is what once was." As the temperatures rise in the spring and I feel more like getting out on two wheels and exploring again, I have to break through this hibernation state, and accept that the bike will get dirty if I use it, and I may need to throw a bucket of water over it once in a while. And then you notice that enabled a bit of paint to catch the light once more, so you start to think, well, I'll just give the bodywork a quick polish.....but now, that looks a little odd when the rest is still a bit dull, so out comes the plastic cleaner or whatever else you use, until eventually, there's not a spot of dirt left anywhere on the bike, and it burns it's after-image on your eyeballs if you so much as glance at it.
 
And you think, I can't ride it now or it'll get dirty again, and all that work will have been for nothing!   :eek    :wall
Title: Re: Shiny vs Filthy
Post by: slappy on 05 April 2016, 11:06:40 pm
It all depends what mood I am in on the day, sometimes strip bits off to clean them better and at other times just think sod it, I`ll not bother cleaning the crap off as it will just get dirty again.
Title: Re: Shiny vs Filthy
Post by: Frosties on 05 April 2016, 11:44:39 pm
I'd love my bikes to be nice n shiny buuut as a 365 all weather rider, plus kids and other duties it just isn't possible. I clean it one day in winter and the next day it looks like shite, so the bike will go a good month or two before cleaning again. Yeah I feel like I'm neglecting the bike but being realistic, it saves me £300 a week commuting 100 mile a day to London (no parking, congestion charge & better economy). Something's got to give and it tends to me my pride in riding a filthy bike and realising that essentially it's a work tool.
Title: Re: Shiny vs Filthy
Post by: darrsi on 06 April 2016, 06:02:49 am
I'd love my bikes to be nice n shiny buuut as a 365 all weather rider, plus kids and other duties it just isn't possible. I clean it one day in winter and the next day it looks like shite, so the bike will go a good month or two before cleaning again. Yeah I feel like I'm neglecting the bike but being realistic, it saves me £300 a week commuting 100 mile a day to London (no parking, congestion charge & better economy). Something's got to give and it tends to me my pride in riding a filthy bike and realising that essentially it's a work tool.


 :agree
Same as that basically, i'll try and keep it as mechanically sound as possible, but it'll generally sit outside my work all day in the elements all year round.
Although i have managed to find a spot that's out of the sun, which isn't a bad thing.
I will spend more time giving it a better clean during the "summer" months but as said once the rain falls again it goes back to looking grubby, especially as it's a black bike as well, so it's even more noticeable.
Title: Re: Shiny vs Filthy
Post by: bri h on 06 April 2016, 07:56:55 am
I saw a chap arrive at loomies on a beautiful brand spanking new ducati. he got off the bike and examined it carefully and became distraught when he dicovered stone chips and dirt. It was the first time he had ridden it on the road and was close to tears. At the time i thought if its goin to upset you that much then leave it in your living room. The point is fazers are do it all bikes that we buy because we use them not just to look at. I can only afford one bike so i cant have one to look at and one to ride so i ride whenever i have to or can be arsed to dress in all the layers.The fact is once im on the bike im happy.So it dont realy enjoy cleaning it and probably dont do so as often as i should.
Title: Re: Shiny vs Filthy
Post by: Dave48 on 06 April 2016, 09:36:56 am
being a "fair weather" rider these days I dont mind getting the bike muddy/whatever but I wont put it away filthy dirty-quick hose down & blow out all the water from nooks & crannies with the trusty leaf blower. Must say GT85 & ACF 50 spray helps to protect bike from worst ravages-preventive maintenance.Now & then have a proper "OCD" day & get the cleaning gear out to get into all the awkward spots-its therapeutic on a warm summers day :lol
Title: Re: Shiny vs Filthy
Post by: darrsi on 06 April 2016, 10:31:42 am
As the "summer" nears the end I will tend to pick a warm day to sit and clean all the brake calipers up in good time for the winter months, which always pays off, as it's a job I like to do properly without rushing it.
It's not so much fun in the wind, rain or cold.
Title: Re: Shiny vs Filthy
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 06 April 2016, 11:06:51 am
I think I get anal about how clean the bikes are because for me they're just leisure items nowadays, and I don't have to commute on them in all weather. I often think it'd be nice to have a hack bike where only essential maintenance and corrosion protection is done, and have been toying with the idea of getting a 600 Fazer for this. Problem being, the Fazers are (obviously  :D  ) nice bikes, so there'd be the temptation to get anal about this too  :rolleyes , but I can't have a bike that wouldn't be particularly enjoyable to ride, and I know I enjoy a good Fazer  :wall


I don't think there is any hope for me  :'(   :lol
Title: Re: Shiny vs Filthy
Post by: fazersharp on 06 April 2016, 11:24:46 am
One thing about anal cleaning  :eek is that you do get all around the bike in a very detailed way and then will spot anything that is loose or needs attention.
Mine stays quite clean as I don't do wet riding.
Title: Re: Shiny vs Filthy
Post by: esetest on 06 April 2016, 11:45:24 am
I don't worry so much about the Fazer , i clean it once a month when the mood takes me , i just prefer to get on with riding it , the Guzzi however is just for the summer , its too pretty to get dirty , i don't enjoy riding in the winter , i don't like the wet and the cold , although i do use the Fazer for the commute across town in the winter and take it for a 50 mile max ride in the winter months , dry days only  .
Title: Re: Shiny vs Filthy
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 06 April 2016, 11:54:41 am
It's this transitional bit between crap weather and summer (think it's called spring!) that gets me. With so little riding done through the winter months, by the time the days start to lengthen, I'm itching to get out on 2 wheels again and go exploring. Ok, if the forecast is for pissing rain I'll give it a miss that day, but if there's just a chance of the odd shower, or if the weather is good but roads still wet from overnight, I'll still want to get out.


In the end, getting out for a ride usually wins over the annoyance of the bike getting mucky, and I suppose doing the cleaning has it's enjoyment too, when I'm in the mood. But I think the main thing that I worry about is road salt. If we used a method of keeping the roads ice-free in winter that was less aggressive on the bike's finish, I think I'd be out a lot more. Reduced chain life, corroded and seizing brakes - time and money I could do without having to spend, as I'm one who's more into riding and less into fettling. Oh well, not long till summer  :)
Title: Re: Shiny vs Filthy
Post by: darrsi on 06 April 2016, 12:38:13 pm
It's the winter salt on the roads that's the main issue, that's what causes all the nastiness.
Title: Re: Shiny vs Filthy
Post by: celticdog on 06 April 2016, 01:00:57 pm
Having just looked at the underside of my exhaust collector and centre stand, I wish the wife was that filthy.
Title: Re: Shiny vs Filthy
Post by: chris.biker on 06 April 2016, 10:14:20 pm
I have always said ''If I have time to polish it, I have time to ride it. So I ride it''
Title: Re: Shiny vs Filthy
Post by: unfazed on 06 April 2016, 10:57:12 pm
I think I get anal about how clean the bikes are because for me they're just leisure items nowadays, and I don't have to commute on them in all weather. I often think it'd be nice to have a hack bike where only essential maintenance and corrosion protection is done, and have been toying with the idea of getting a 600 Fazer for this. Problem being, the Fazers are (obviously  :D  ) nice bikes, so there'd be the temptation to get anal about this too  :rolleyes , but I can't have a bike that wouldn't be particularly enjoyable to ride, and I know I enjoy a good Fazer  :wall

I don't think there is any hope for me  :'(   :lol

Dream on lad, you couldn't handle a FZS600, to fast, to light and to nimble for you :lol especially the red ones :lol :lol
Title: Re: Shiny vs Filthy
Post by: fazersharp on 07 April 2016, 10:20:05 am
I often think it'd be nice to have a hack bike and have been toying with the idea of getting a 600 Fazer for this.

:eek The very cheek of it  :eek
Title: Re: Shiny vs Filthy
Post by: crickleymal on 07 April 2016, 12:35:00 pm
What's clean? I ride pretty much all year to work (100 mile round trip) except when it's really chucking it down. Bike gets a wash once in a blue moon if I'm cleaning the car as well. There's just no point if it'sgoing to get filthy the next day.
Title: Re: Shiny vs Filthy
Post by: His Dudeness on 07 April 2016, 03:29:15 pm
15 minute clean every week or two keeps it respectable and stops corrosion
Title: Re: Shiny vs Filthy
Post by: Val on 07 April 2016, 07:00:47 pm
The fact is once im on the bike im happy.So it dont realy enjoy cleaning it and probably dont do so as often as i should.

 :agree I like my bike clean, but that is nice to have.

The most important part is to ride it  :)

But if you feel a little OCD you are welcome to come and clean my bike  :rollin

Otherwise in the winter I clean it once per month or once per two months - do not see the point because it gets dirty on the next day anyway.

In the summer I can do that more often or not.
 
Title: Re: Shiny vs Filthy
Post by: Razgruff on 08 April 2016, 12:48:00 am
I wash my bike about once or twice a year. sometimes bits get accidentally cleaned when being replaced or checked  :\
I live on a farm and have about a mile of dirt track before I get to Tarmac. so washing it is pretty much a waste of time.
I did pressure wash it off the other day, so there is now a space between the exhaust manifolds and the engine block again. forgot the oil filter was down there :eek, it's been so long since I've seen it  :lol
I take a pride it the filth on my bike purely to wind up the people who spend more on trick bits and polish than they do on what they put in the petrol in the tank  :evil
Title: Re: Shiny vs Filthy
Post by: darrsi on 08 April 2016, 06:14:21 am
I wash my bike about once or twice a year. sometimes bits get accidentally cleaned when being replaced or checked  :\
I live on a farm and have about a mile of dirt track before I get to Tarmac. so washing it is pretty much a waste of time.
I did pressure wash it off the other day, so there is now a space between the exhaust manifolds and the engine block again. forgot the oil filter was down there :eek , it's been so long since I've seen it  :lol
I take a pride it the filth on my bike purely to wind up the people who spend more on trick bits and polish than they do on what they put in the petrol in the tank  :evil


I don't s'pose it'd really bother you anyway but when i resprayed my engine a few years back i jetwashed it first and it literally blew the engine paint off, so i would say to others to be careful about ever using one.
Plus water tends to get in places that you don't want, i remember my airhorn sounding like nails down a chalkboard for 3 days until it dried out.  :lol
Title: Re: Shiny vs Filthy
Post by: the cueball on 08 April 2016, 06:49:50 pm
depends on the bike..... you could eat your dinner off my ninja, I keep it very clean, everything is spotless and waxed etc... and I only ride that during the summer.


the Fazer is my 'council bike' I ride it all year, in all weathers, and it gets abused - that's what it's there for.


I clean and ACF it once a year, the rest of the time it's minging.... I do however make sure it's tip top on the maintenance side.
Title: Re: Shiny vs Filthy
Post by: celticdog on 08 April 2016, 07:33:30 pm

I clean and ACF it once a year, the rest of the time it's minging.... I do however make sure it's tip top on the maintenance side.


Good use of the word 'minging' cueball,  :thumbup landed up with many a 'minger' back in the day
Title: Re: Shiny vs Filthy
Post by: the cueball on 08 April 2016, 08:05:55 pm

I clean and ACF it once a year, the rest of the time it's minging.... I do however make sure it's tip top on the maintenance side.


Good use of the word 'minging' cueball,  :thumbup landed up with many a 'minger' back in the day


it's the sign of a good night out!


 :eek


 :rollin
Title: Re: Shiny vs Filthy
Post by: Stewie on 08 April 2016, 08:39:48 pm
I ride as much as I can regardless of weather and I am not worried about the layers of grime.
It gets power washed when it is too filthy and then a spray of FS365 to keep the rust mite at bay.
Title: Re: Shiny vs Filthy
Post by: fazersharp on 08 April 2016, 08:49:35 pm
I suppose if I had to commute on it in all weathers then I wouldn't be so bothered as I would be fighting a loosing battle but I only ride in the dry and its clean and so I like to keep it like that - it can get quite dusty sometimes  just look at this filth
    (http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=11668.0;attach=10368;image)
Title: Re: Shiny vs Filthy
Post by: Stewie on 08 April 2016, 09:15:35 pm
Thats disgusting man, how dare you post such filth!
Title: Re: Shiny vs Filthy
Post by: Frosties on 08 April 2016, 11:21:24 pm
That looks like 5 months of garage dust  :pokefun
Title: Re: Shiny vs Filthy
Post by: Razgruff on 11 April 2016, 02:53:56 pm
I wash my bike about once or twice a year. sometimes bits get accidentally cleaned when being replaced or checked  :\
I live on a farm and have about a mile of dirt track before I get to Tarmac. so washing it is pretty much a waste of time.
I did pressure wash it off the other day, so there is now a space between the exhaust manifolds and the engine block again. forgot the oil filter was down there :eek , it's been so long since I've seen it  :lol
I take a pride it the filth on my bike purely to wind up the people who spend more on trick bits and polish than they do on what they put in the petrol in the tank  :evil


I don't s'pose it'd really bother you anyway but when i resprayed my engine a few years back i jetwashed it first and it literally blew the engine paint off, so i would say to others to be careful about ever using one.
Plus water tends to get in places that you don't want, i remember my airhorn sounding like nails down a chalkboard for 3 days until it dried out.  :lol

Worry about engine paint  :rollin :rollin :rollin

(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtl1/v/t1.0-9/12472598_814523888692064_8635541946307858615_n.jpg?oh=322c204a41dfcb33b64ef65ed9316df9&oe=57B6AD92)



(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/12963720_814523882025398_6936945080974010019_n.jpg?oh=be8c3b57d895a3773f535cd87e7a6160&oe=5783D106)

Title: Re: Shiny vs Filthy
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 11 April 2016, 03:31:31 pm


Worry about engine paint  :rollin :rollin :rollin

(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtl1/v/t1.0-9/12472598_814523888692064_8635541946307858615_n.jpg?oh=322c204a41dfcb33b64ef65ed9316df9&oe=57B6AD92)



(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/12963720_814523882025398_6936945080974010019_n.jpg?oh=be8c3b57d895a3773f535cd87e7a6160&oe=5783D106)


I am strangely turned on by those pics  :eek   :lol
Title: Re: Shiny vs Filthy
Post by: Razgruff on 11 April 2016, 03:36:24 pm
You should have seen it before I washed it  ;)
Title: Re: Shiny vs Filthy
Post by: darrsi on 11 April 2016, 03:43:21 pm
This is what I was on about, obviously bits were sanded down afterwards but the water was not kind at all to the paintwork.

http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php/topic,8354.msg82143.html#msg82143 (http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php/topic,8354.msg82143.html#msg82143)
Title: Re: Shiny vs Filthy
Post by: unfazed on 11 April 2016, 06:45:35 pm
You should have seen it before I washed it  ;)

Shameful, :eek but underneath all that crap is a great bike trying to get out. :lol
Title: Re: Shiny vs Filthy
Post by: Razgruff on 11 April 2016, 09:06:28 pm
the bike gets out,  :b
how else do you think it gets covered in crap  :rolleyes
They for riding not polishing  :evil
Title: Re: Shiny vs Filthy
Post by: unfazed on 11 April 2016, 10:16:59 pm
This is my unmolested, one owner, out all year round, 86000 miler. :eek
It gets out a lot in all weather :lol
Title: Re: Shiny vs Filthy
Post by: Razgruff on 11 April 2016, 10:42:03 pm
One trip up the drive to the farm I live on and it wouldn't be so clean. :lol
 Even riding the roads around here it wouldn't be.
Unless I van the bike for 5 miles until I get to roads with out field gates where tractors are forever bring the field to the road.
Muck is just how it is around here, trying to fight it is pointless  :\
Title: Re: Shiny vs Filthy
Post by: unfazed on 11 April 2016, 11:05:52 pm
Sounds a bit like where I live,  :b the only difference, I don't live on a farm and one of the three roads I can use is reasonable clean most of the time. :)
Title: Re: Shiny vs Filthy
Post by: tommyardin on 12 April 2016, 09:36:18 am

 
And you think, I can't ride it now or it'll get dirty again, and all that work will have been for nothing!   :eek    :wall




That's uncanny Hedge how the fuck did you see inside my head and read my thought and reasoning pattern. I agree wholeheartedly with your quote/statement above.


Fine spray hose the the bike down leave it while slurping a cup of tea, it softens the dirt, shampoo bike with Auto Glym shampoo and nice warm water, hose spray rinse, dry off completely with a number of micropor towels. Then polish the paintwork (that's SILVER paintwork the fastest colour) with the only polish I would allow near my beloved, yes of course Auto Glym and buff to a high gloss. Auto Glym plastic and bumper gell on side panels, mirror backs, fairing infill panels and around instrument panel. Looking good. Now where did I put that tube of Autosol lets get them rear alloy peg hangers polished and that stainless Steel work polished, ahhh! that's better, Right now for the wheels WD sprayed onto a rag and wheels cleaned (gets the chain lube off the rear wheel) dry off and on with the Auto Glym dark paintwork polish quick buff up and the jobs-a-gudun. Plastic polish on headlight lenses and screen, remove smears from mirrors and I do believe I have done. Start to finish 1.5 hours and loved every minute of it. Better get the bike put away as I have heard it might rain the day after tomorrow.


Lol what a sad twat. But it gives me soooooo much joy, I love seeing my beloved looking her best.
Well it's either that or masterbation and the bike takes about 90 times as long.
Title: Re: Shiny vs Filthy
Post by: tommyardin on 12 April 2016, 10:07:52 am
This is my unmolested, one owner, out all year round, 86000 miler. :eek
It gets out a lot in all weather :lol


Looking good, shame about the colour. 86k good going. Had many issues over the years unfazed. I have to say the bike looks sharp.  :photo
Title: Re: Shiny vs Filthy
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 12 April 2016, 11:11:24 am

 
Now where did I put that tube of Autosol lets get them rear alloy peg hangers polished


I'm puzzling over something to do with this at the moment. All my previous Fazers, I've polished the rear peg hangers with Autosol, and they seemed to dull down very quickly again. But the current bike, I've not touched with the stuff, and the peg hangers have remained shiny and clean with just hosing off and a quick wipe with a rag. So I'm wondering if the peg hangers are lacquered in their original form, and over-zealous polishing takes that lacquer off, and maybe I just now happen to have a bike where the previous owner hasn't touched the hangers with anything more than water or a mild detergent, leaving the finish intact.
Title: Re: Shiny vs Filthy
Post by: unfazed on 12 April 2016, 06:57:26 pm
This is my unmolested, one owner, out all year round, 86000 miler. :eek
It gets out a lot in all weather :lol


Looking good, shame about the colour. 86k good going. Had many issues over the years unfazed. I have to say the bike looks sharp.  :photo

As least mine has a colour :thumbup yours is still in primer awaiting your decision to paint it some colour :lol

3 problems in all that time,

1. The dreaded sprocket nut issue where Danfay the Irish Yamaha dealers Focced up and did not repair it properly leading to them supplying all the parts requires to repair it at half price when I lost the plot with them at the 72000 mile mark. I posted my own fix in the downloads section. It has been fine since.

2. A burned connector from the ignition switch under the tank and I replace it at around 50,000 miles.

3. Clutch cable changed at 60,000 as it started fraying.

Changed the clutch at 40000 miles and the camchain at 50,000 miles, Hard riding and track days took its toll on both, still as quite as a mouse.
Only modifications K&N filter at 3000 miles, Hagon rear shock, progressive front springs at 20,000 miles with 15w oil. scottoiler.
New Motad downpipes since the picture was taken last year. When I changed the downpipes, I removed the sump to check the pick up filter as the pipes were off, see picture and this was at 84000 miles.
Oil changed every 4000 miles and filter every 8000 with out fail.
It has been down the road 3 times, once my own fault  (made the wrong choice out of 3) the other two due to the actions of others. :'(

I have never used polish on it, I  using Autoglym to clean, wash it down and when dry cover the Tyres and Discs which old sheets and spray the lot with WD40. (5 liter can and spray bottle) Wipe it off the paint and plastics and end can and leave it burn into the engine and down pipes. It keeps the engine shiny and stops rust taking hold.
Would not sell it for anything, love the 1000 but the 600 is just special. :)

Title: Re: Shiny vs Filthy
Post by: tommyardin on 13 April 2016, 08:23:09 am
Wow the inside of that lump looks pristine unfazed, scavenge pump filter looks spotless. Wonder what mine looks like inside at 34K.
 Since I have owned the bike the oil has been changed along with the oil filter every 4000 miles, not sure about any previous history. The only thing I have noticed is a very slight rattle from the clutch basket and pulling in the clutch lever quietens it down (it has done this ever since I purchased the bike 3 years ago) I mentioned it to my mechanics and they said it was fairly normal and nothing to be concerned about at all, one of the mechanics rides a boxeye and he said that he replaced the whole clutch trying to stop his from rattling to no avail, his rattles worse than mine.
Title: Re: Shiny vs Filthy
Post by: tommyardin on 13 April 2016, 04:46:27 pm

 
Now where did I put that tube of Autosol lets get them rear alloy peg hangers polished


I'm puzzling over something to do with this at the moment. All my previous Fazers, I've polished the rear peg hangers with Autosol, and they seemed to dull down very quickly again. But the current bike, I've not touched with the stuff, and the peg hangers have remained shiny and clean with just hosing off and a quick wipe with a rag. So I'm wondering if the peg hangers are lacquered in their original form, and over-zealous polishing takes that lacquer off, and maybe I just now happen to have a bike where the previous owner hasn't touched the hangers with anything more than water or a mild detergent, leaving the finish intact.


Strange my alloy work dulls over a few weeks and needs polishing again, I don't mind doing it but would be better if I did not have to.
The old Autosol brings it up well. I remember years ago it was called Solvo Autosol, and the engine cases of my BSA 650cc Super Rocket A10 used shine like chrome, my nails were always black from the mixture of alloy and Autosol, used to get most of it off fumbling with the G\F's bra strap, much to her annoyance, the discoloured bra strap not my fumbling.  :lol :sex [size=78%]      [/size]
Title: Re: Shiny vs Filthy
Post by: tommyardin on 13 April 2016, 04:49:52 pm
Polished last weekend.
Title: Re: Shiny vs Filthy
Post by: unfazed on 13 April 2016, 09:17:52 pm
Wow the inside of that lump looks pristine unfazed, scavenge pump filter looks spotless. Wonder what mine looks like inside at 34K.
 Since I have owned the bike the oil has been changed along with the oil filter every 4000 miles, not sure about any previous history. The only thing I have noticed is a very slight rattle from the clutch basket and pulling in the clutch lever quietens it down (it has done this ever since I purchased the bike 3 years ago) I mentioned it to my mechanics and they said it was fairly normal and nothing to be concerned about at all, one of the mechanics rides a boxeye and he said that he replaced the whole clutch trying to stop his from rattling to no avail, his rattles worse than mine.

I was pleasantly surprised myself when I saw the inside. All the clutches rumble some bit and it is worse if carbs are out of synch. I have heard a few rattle slightly but never see it to be a problem.


 
Now where did I put that tube of Autosol lets get them rear alloy peg hangers polished


I'm puzzling over something to do with this at the moment. All my previous Fazers, I've polished the rear peg hangers with Autosol, and they seemed to dull down very quickly again. But the current bike, I've not touched with the stuff, and the peg hangers have remained shiny and clean with just hosing off and a quick wipe with a rag. So I'm wondering if the peg hangers are lacquered in their original form, and over-zealous polishing takes that lacquer off, and maybe I just now happen to have a bike where the previous owner hasn't touched the hangers with anything more than water or a mild detergent, leaving the finish intact.


Strange my alloy work dulls over a few weeks and needs polishing again, I don't mind doing it but would be better if I did not have to.
The old Autosol brings it up well. I remember years ago it was called Solvo Autosol, and the engine cases of my BSA 650cc Super Rocket A10 used shine like chrome, my nails were always black from the mixture of alloy and Autosol, used to get most of it off fumbling with the G\F's bra strap, much to her annoyance, the discoloured bra strap not my fumbling.  :lol :sex [size=78%]      [/size]


The footrests hangers on my 1000 are definitely lacquered, never noticed it on the 600 hangers
Title: Re: Shiny vs Filthy
Post by: tommyardin on 13 April 2016, 10:20:48 pm
Cheers for the info confirming what I have been told about the clutches often having a rattle, it is detectable but not offensive or loud, but defo there, so it's good to have it confirmed, appreciate it.
Have just ordered the correct nut and washer for the front sprocket, I thought that I had ordered the correct upgrade nut and washer a year or so ago but try as hard as I dared I could not get the old nut undone, I was afraid of stripping the thread on the shaft.


Well on reading lots about it on here I find that the nut that Yamaha sent me was the original 9mm nut not the upgraded 12mm job, so just ordered the 12mm nut and washer separate packages. the codes are as follows:

[/size]Nut 12mm part number 90179-18006
Washer part number      90215-21290


What is the knack of getting the nut off. I tried with a mate sat on the bike in first gear with rear brake on and front on as well, I gave up cos I was worried that something would snap, I had a 32mm (I think) socket and an 600mm bar and thought I was to bust a blood vessel, maybe I just being a whooos. 

Title: Re: Shiny vs Filthy
Post by: unfazed on 13 April 2016, 11:55:29 pm
Yamaha also do a Sprocket nut and Washer Kit part number 90891-10124 (all in one packet) Torque setting for new nut is 90Nm

Might be loctited or rusted on, an air or electric impact wrench should shift it.

Last resort method, take off the chain guard/hugger, put a lump of wood in through the spokes on top of the swinging arm. Flatten off the tab washer,  1/2 inch drive T bar with  socket and a scaffolding bar on the T bar will shift it  :lol
Title: Re: Shiny vs Filthy
Post by: celticdog on 14 April 2016, 08:24:12 am
Here's a pic of my home made bar ends, not looking too shiny it has to be said- particularly the one that took the spill in the BP forecourt a while back. I've ordered a simple domed ended black pair from demon tweeks for a fiver with free delivery! At that price it's not worth me making a new set or re-skimming the old ones.

Title: Re: Shiny vs Filthy
Post by: Frosties on 15 April 2016, 09:14:08 am
Tommy - bad news fella. You're pristine bike has just been moved from the "pristine" category to the "in need of improvement" category. The neglect of your bike is highlighted below - the weekend is coming so we require improvement pics by Monday (cotton wool buds may help).  :lol :lol
Title: Re: Shiny vs Filthy
Post by: tommyardin on 15 April 2016, 01:04:09 pm
Tommy - bad news fella. You're pristine bike has just been moved from the "pristine" category to the "in need of improvement" category. The neglect of your bike is highlighted below - the weekend is coming so we require improvement pics by Monday (cotton wool buds may help).  :lol :lol


I stand corrected with my head hanging in shame, I could try to justify the situation by saying that it is still a work in progress, but, alas I would just be making excuses for the sloppy and tiresome manner in which I conduct myself, I feel that I owe all you proud Fazer owners on this site a contrite and sincere apology for conducting my ways in such a despicable and deplorable manner.


I will now go and find a hair shirt and wear it for 24 hours hoping that I will lean to change my ways and act in a way that is fitting for such esteemed company as you Fazer enthusiasts.
Love and Kisses
Tommy.  :'( [size=78%]   [/size]
Title: Re: Shiny vs Filthy
Post by: tommyardin on 15 April 2016, 04:03:12 pm
Realising that I have let myself down, my family and all the Fazer riders that are out there including those that have been before and those yet to come. So this afternoon I have tried to put right all the damage that I have done, or at least made a start in undoing my crimes.
Title: Re: Shiny vs Filthy
Post by: unfazed on 15 April 2016, 06:57:24 pm
and it's about time you painted the bike also, that grey primer is on it long enough  :lol

You are letting the whole FOC-U forum down  :eek
Title: Re: Shiny vs Filthy
Post by: Frosties on 15 April 2016, 08:09:51 pm
Tommy mate, just read this and i'm creasing  :lol  Blinding bit of grovelling  :thumbup


Had a feeling that you would not rest until that bit was cleaned  :rollin Top job by the way buuuuuut.........we've yet to see it fitted to the bike and it may just show the paintwork in need of a polish to match  :D .


C'mon fella, spill - how much did it niggle eh?

Title: Re: Shiny vs Filthy
Post by: fazersharp on 15 April 2016, 09:56:25 pm
Not bad tommyshiny  but must try harder !!-- this is the exhaust side so I did not bother taking it off and was done with good old brasso- wait until I get the other side off and get it on my bench grinder fitted with polishing mops
Title: Re: Shiny vs Filthy
Post by: tommyardin on 15 April 2016, 11:48:27 pm
SULK :'(
Title: Re: Shiny vs Filthy
Post by: tommyardin on 16 April 2016, 12:03:36 am
and it's about time you painted the bike also, that grey primer is on it long enough  :lol

You are letting the whole FOC-U forum down  :eek
I personally feel that the grey primer as you call it Mr Unfazed is more preferable to the red lead or red oxide I have seen some of the less desirable Fazers in.
LOL
But still think that your Fazer is a cracking looking bike for 80+K miles. do they call that red 'Period'
I know your bike is female cos I heard someone the other day say 'Look at the C--t on that bike'


 :foc 
Title: Re: Shiny vs Filthy
Post by: tommyardin on 16 April 2016, 12:10:54 am
Tommy mate, just read this and i'm creasing  :lol  Blinding bit of grovelling  :thumbup


Had a feeling that you would not rest until that bit was cleaned  :rollin Top job by the way buuuuuut.........we've yet to see it fitted to the bike and it may just show the paintwork in need of a polish to match  :D .


C'mon fella, spill - how much did it niggle eh?
Niggle NIGGLE you don't know the meaning of the word niggle. I was absolutely fuming :grumble . Nar not really, I have been a piss taker all my life and love it, it's the crack and I love, how about you Coco. :lol lol
Title: Re: Shiny vs Filthy
Post by: tommyardin on 16 April 2016, 12:14:40 am
Not bad tommyshiny  but must try harder !!-- this is the exhaust side so I did not bother taking it off and was done by an old arsole - wait until I get the other side off and get it on my bench grinder fitted with polishing mops


Bench grinder with a polishing mops.
Never been one for mechanical aids myself I much prefer to use my Hand...... errrrrrr! what were we talking about? :evil 
Title: Re: Shiny vs Filthy
Post by: Frosties on 16 April 2016, 10:51:43 am
Tommy mate, just read this and i'm creasing  :lol  Blinding bit of grovelling  :thumbup


Had a feeling that you would not rest until that bit was cleaned  :rollin Top job by the way buuuuuut.........we've yet to see it fitted to the bike and it may just show the paintwork in need of a polish to match  :D .


C'mon fella, spill - how much did it niggle eh?
Niggle NIGGLE you don't know the meaning of the word niggle. I was absolutely fuming :grumble . Nar not really, I have been a piss taker all my life and love it, it's the crack and I love, how about you Coco. :lol lol


Yup it niggled goooooood  :lol . Agree with the piss taking, same as you and makes life more enjoyable and light hearted. We still need finished pics of bike re assembled for re assesment.............................in the meantime I will mostly be examining this pic below using the ZOOM function like a demented peeping tom on a housing estate

Title: Re: Shiny vs Filthy
Post by: fazersharp on 16 April 2016, 06:54:04 pm
Here you go - here is the left hand side that comes off with less faff and the second picture is my mop set, each mop is a different grade to go with the different soap
Title: Re: Shiny vs Filthy
Post by: Frosties on 16 April 2016, 09:32:24 pm
Sharpy, what a fine fellow you are to take the time to share your experience and hopefully steer Tommy in the right direction. Since Tommy has hung up the hair scissors and is a man of leisure, I'm sure he'll have plenty of time to attempt to match the finish you've achieved  :nana
Title: Re: Shiny vs Filthy
Post by: tommyardin on 16 April 2016, 10:33:32 pm
Sharpy, what a fine fellow you are to take the time to share your experience and hopefully steer Tommy in the right direction. Since Tommy has hung up the hair scissors and is a man of leisure, I'm sure he'll have plenty of time to attempt to match the finish you've achieved  :nana


Got the scissors, hair dryer, curlers and tongs back out of retirement, sold the fazer, didn't get much for it the bloke who bought it said as it was in such a shit state and had been neglected of late he would only offer me £800 of the £1750 that I was asking for, but I bargained hard and we eventually agreed on £675-00  :lol Just enough to purchase new hair sprays, shampoos for different types of hair, conditioners, hair grips , towels, hair brushes and combs. the Mrs has made a hanging basket out of my helmet (That's my Crash Helmet) and has planted pansy's in my bike boots (They look quite good one either side of the front door) taxed my hair dressers transport. The wife said I have brought all this on myself because of my tardy and slothful ways and has consigned me to sleep in my car. Picture below or is it above. Complete with the new sticker supplied by a really helpful Foccer, that reads 'No Hair Dressing Equipment Left In This Vehicle Overnight'
So Foc you lot I'm off the join the Big Girls MR2 Owners Club :foc
Title: Re: Shiny vs Filthy
Post by: unfazed on 17 April 2016, 05:44:01 pm
Do you by any chance have a silver helmet and boots  :lol
Title: Re: Shiny vs Filthy
Post by: Frosties on 17 April 2016, 07:28:43 pm
Do you by any chance have a silver helmet and boots  :lol


Funny you say that, spotted Tommy a few nights back - me and other care assistants had to go looking for the old git again. We eventually found him
Title: Re: Shiny vs Filthy
Post by: unfazed on 17 April 2016, 08:55:29 pm
 :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: Shiny vs Filthy
Post by: tommyardin on 17 April 2016, 10:06:24 pm
Do you by any chance have a silver helmet and boots  :lol


Funny you say that, spotted Tommy a few nights back - me and other care assistants had to go looking for the old git again. We eventually found him
How the Foc did you get hold of that? I just went and looked in our family photo album and its gone :eek
Title: Re: Shiny vs Filthy
Post by: tommyardin on 17 April 2016, 10:09:26 pm
I think Unfazed and Frosties (Hello Tiger) have teamed up to slag me off and ruin my impeccable reputation. Check out the lunch box in that pick though. Lol
Title: Re: Shiny vs Filthy
Post by: Frosties on 17 April 2016, 11:22:21 pm
Whaaaaaaat? What have I said?  You forgot Sharpy with his polishing machine.


We do love you really Tommy - you're a good laugh which is the core of this site  :kiss [size=78%] [/size]
Title: Re: Shiny vs Filthy
Post by: fazersharp on 17 April 2016, 11:38:46 pm
I find that if it is nice and shiny rust cannot get hold as it just slides off
Title: Re: Shiny vs Filthy
Post by: tommyardin on 18 April 2016, 10:05:48 am
I find that if it is nice and shiny rust cannot get hold as it just slides off


Especially the alloy bits :fish
Title: Re: Shiny vs Filthy
Post by: fazersharp on 18 April 2016, 10:29:27 am
I find that if it is nice and shiny rust cannot get hold as it just slides off


Especially the alloy bits :fish
oxidation then if you like, but as this is a bike forum I thought that it best to stay away from big words. 
Title: Re: Shiny vs Filthy
Post by: tommyardin on 18 April 2016, 05:37:51 pm
I find that if it is nice and shiny rust cannot get hold as it just slides off


Especially the alloy bits :fish
oxidation then if you like, but as this is a bike forum I thought that it best to stay away from big words.


If you want to learn some i'm sure your not passed being taught