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General => General => Topic started by: sinto on 09 December 2015, 07:26:15 pm
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As I've never had one of these, can anyone give me some pointers before I waste money.
My son, who's 13 and about 5'5" and is constantly dropping the hint to get one for him.
Been to local shop but no way am I getting brand new but it was mainly for looking.
Been told a 50cc would be good enough, but also been told to go for a 125cc
So yes, I'm a bit confused already :b
Cheers in advance.
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I have had a few goes on a 50cc, and even taking into consideration I'm a right fat foccer, they wouldn't pull you out of bed.
I ended up with a Suzuki DR400, mainly because I got it for cheap, but that was way overkill.
One of my mates had a damaged 125 road bike that he had stripped and put knobblies on which worked ok though, some of the decent scramblers can hold their money well (the main ones at least: Suzuki DRZ, Honda CR, Yamaha YZ etc)
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I raced motocross for a few seasons and do enduro riding now.
How about a big wheel 85cc? Are you thinking 2 or 4 stroke?
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I raced motocross for a few seasons and do enduro riding now.
How about a big wheel 85cc? Are you thinking 2 or 4 stroke?
Don't know really tbh
Depends what's available for the right price.
There's a couple of tracks up here but most are closed during winter, so when season starts I'll take my boy up and see what does what best :lol
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Depends on what he wants to do, if he wants to go to a track and do it properly then he will need protective kit helmet etc, my son rides a kx 85 big wheel which is powerful enough , he is 13 and been going for over a year to our lcoal track. If he just wants to go to the local waste land you want a cheap 50,80 pit bike or similar, remember if they get caught riding on fields the police just take the bike and crush it.
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Depends on what he wants to do, if he wants to go to a track and do it properly then he will need protective kit helmet etc, my son rides a kx 85 big wheel which is powerful enough , he is 13 and been going for over a year to our lcoal track. If he just wants to go to the local waste land you want a cheap 50,80 pit bike or similar, remember if they get caught riding on fields the police just take the bike and crush it.
I'm with you on that tex,
It'll be track time at clubs etc and I'll have the bike with me (I'm seperated) so he won't be tempted to just take it out to the local field etc
And as with when he goes on the back of my bike, it'll be the right kit or no riding :)
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Totally agree, what I did was join the local track and hired one of there bikes for a few months, gives them an idea what's it's about, and experience. Then got the kx85 big wheel. I was surprised how physicality demarding it is. He does press ups to help upper body strength. After a hour on the track he comes of soaking in sweet.
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an 85 is the way to go. small wheel whilst he is a tiddler then full size later on.............plus you can ride it ( just to check the jetting ;) )
hold their money well but need piston and rings every 20hrs so consumables will be high.
plus after 3 meetings on it when he's dead last every time he'll think foc this for a larf and it'll never be touched again.
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Totally agree, what I did was join the local track and hired one of there bikes for a few months, gives them an idea what's it's about, and experience. Then got the kx85 big wheel. I was surprised how physicality demarding it is. He does press ups to help upper body strength. After a hour on the track he comes of soaking in sweet.
I'd add sit ups and squats to the press ups - try and build his core up 'cos it's knackering.
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As per the others get him on a Big Wheel 85 to start, more than enough to scare him but easy enough to handle plus easy to maintain,
At his size 5.5 he may look a little small on it but in a year or two you'll be swapping it for a 2 stroke 125 or 4-stroke 250. The 2-strokes are holding their price secondhand as most companies dropped them from their ranges but are lighter and easier (cheaper) to maintain than 4-strokes
My boy worked his way through from a PW80 at 7 and finally got a RMZ250 at 16, never raced just gone to practice tracks and had fun blasting around.
As I'd never done any off roading myself I went to the KTM off road Experience last month and had a go on a MXtrack, best fun I've had for a long time and now looking at selling my boys RMZ and going shares in nearly new 250 KTM to do some more myself. Although I wont be going as fast as him, don't bounce as well as I used to either.
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Spoke to a work mate today and he said as above.
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All sounds like it's an 85 then.
Had a look on Gumtree and the like and all I can see is between £600 to £2000 depending on age/condition. Will need to look into it more to give me an understanding of it all.
My mate today said his neighbour has one in his garage he's not used in years and will ask him about it for me, I don't know what it is, what size it is or anything so might get a bargain but then again it could be all wrong :(
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I paid £1750, for a 2011 with some nice extras top end rebuild new bearings and suspension overhaul, got from the track they had stored and maintained it for a member. I can ask if they have any others for sale
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I paid £1750, for a 2011 with some nice extras top end rebuild new bearings and suspension overhaul, got from the track they had stored and maintained it for a member. I can ask if they have any others for sale
Cheers tex, but your a bit too far away for me :(
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:lol just checked where you are. Might be a tad far
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:lol just checked where you are. Might be a tad far
:lol
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Well I've found out about the bike :)
It's a xsport 110
Bad points
Won't start, won't run
No fuel.
No air filter.
Good points
Looks clean
Tyres are good
Parts are cheap to buy
Good 'project' for my boy
Hopefully it'll be cheap to buy
So what's your thoughts guys?
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Cheapo chinese pit bike thingie by the looks, you get what you pay for but I'd avoid like the plague :lol
My lad started woith an old DT125 across the fields (ahem)
He then went to a KX100 on local tracks, that thing scared the bejesus out of me :eek
As he's grown up into a man he had a succession of MX bikes, currently races a CR450, fuk knows how he does that, got massively bigger balls than me!
Thing is these mx bikes are highly tuned,need constant maintenance and can haemorrhage cash, its easy to blow and engine and thats big bucks, just ask him :lol so it might not be cheap hobby, but when its in your blood..........................
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as locksmith looks chinese to me too.......be a good project for you and your son,dosn`t look as if its had much use and probs an easy repair ,great for your son to learn basic mechanics,once up and running sell it to fund a jap bike :thumbup ....so whats it worth,a non runner this time of year,i would start at £50...cheeky i know,but you can always go up,not down ;)
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I understand it being a cheap Chinese thingy :) It's easy to set your site's on something at the top of the range but I'm in agreement with red, I think it would be a great learning curve for my son at not a lot of money.
History wise....I know it's ran in the past as my mate said he had it going up and down the road and the exhaust is loud, but he reckons it's been lying for a few years as his son is a bit older now. So might not need much with any luck.
Funny you mention £50 as that's what my mate has said his neighbour would probably be looking for it, but we'll have to wait and see as he works abroad and we're waiting on reply from him.
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Sounds like a good deal to me.....with that little bit of history getting it going will be easy, carb clean, plug clean and fresh fuel , cheap filter on ebay brum, brum :lol........if for some reason it dosn't start you'll get your money back in the spring no problem :thumbup
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Sounds like a good deal to me.....with that little bit of history getting it going will be easy, carb clean, plug clean and fresh fuel , cheap filter on ebay brum, brum :lol........if for some reason it dosn't start you'll get your money back in the spring no problem :thumbup
:agree
Hoping to strip it down, I mean supervise my boy doing it :)
It'll be good for him as he's wanting to do mechanics when he's older :)
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At 13 thats a great way to start, thats a lot of learning for £50.......easy to make a profit if sold on once running, that will be another lesson learnt :thumbup
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At 13 thats a great way to start, thats a lot of learning for £50.......easy to make a profit if sold on once running, that will be another lesson learnt :thumbup
:agree
I think it's a better Xmas present than most stuff :lol
It'll get him off the couch and away from the TV and be the envy of his mates I'm sure :)
Think the idea will be.....
Strip it down, get it running, use it for a season to get him into it sort of idea and then either sell or exchange up if he's still into it.
Yes £50 to start, plus parts, plus gear etc, but it'd cost a lot more if I just got a bike already running and he won't gain the experience of stripping the engine and getting it working, which in my opinion is the most important part in this :)
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:agree.......only down side.....bastid to wrap up and how are you going to get it in his stocking :lol
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only down side.....bastid to wrap up and how are you going to get it in his stocking :lol
Dam, I never thought of that! :b
Maybe I'll just get a wee model bike and wrap that and put that in his stocking :)
That'll give him something to think about :lol
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Get him a wee model bike keyring and attach a key to it ;)
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Get him a wee model bike keyring and attach a key to it ;)
:rollin :rollin
Yeah that'll work too
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Motorcycle for Xmas
You want to adopt me?
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Well that's the deal done :)
Sitting in my garage now and waiting on my boy to see it, so he should be pleased.
So now I'm going to have to look for spare parts.....
Battery, petrol cap, air pod filter (are these just disposable ones), carb cleaner maybe?
Had a wee browse on fleebay, stuff doesn't look that expensive for it so should get it up and running in no time. :)
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Bet he gets the hump because he asked for an Xbox one !!!!
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Bet he gets the hump because he asked for an Xbox one !!!!
:rollin :rollin
Nope, I deffinetly heard him say motorbike :b
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Nice one sinto......we all expect to see a piccie on christmas morning of the happy new owner :thumbup
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I want a picture of Santa getting it down the chimney
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I started my kids on a TW125 in the fields near home around the 13 year mark.
Local farmer is into bikes so we had full access to fields which were not in use.
They learned to ride, stop, fall, race, slide, fall,and wheelie on it. (they fell a lot at first)
Bought it as a ratteler for €425 stripped the chassis and they helped paint it and put it back together.
Rebored it, put new pistons rings and gudgeon pin into it.
Had over 2 years fun on it and sold it for €600. :woot
When they were ready for the road I put them on the Serow.
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Good idea mr bloggs.........so, we want a picture of santa (thats you sinto ) on the roof trying to get the bike down the chimney.....hope we're not going to be disappointed christmas morning.......
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:lol
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:lol
Those look like how it'll end up if I try to get it down the chimney :b
Sorry to disappoint you all but it'll be left in the garage :)
Part of the deal of me getting it is....once I've done it up and my boy has used it for whatever time scale that is, once I'm ready to sell it on, I've to offer to my mate, who got me the deal, first refusal for his grandson :)
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Put up the wrong second picture, here is the right one
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Put up the wrong second picture, here is the right one
:lol you had too much Christmas spirit already?
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Cracking present :lol
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Cracking present :lol
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Put up the wrong second picture, here is the right one
:lol you had too much Christmas spirit already?
Whatever gave you that impression? :b
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Put up the wrong second picture, here is the right one
:lol you had too much Christmas spirit already?
Whatever gave you that impression? :b
Just a stab in the dark :b :)
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Put up the wrong second picture, here is the right one
:lol you had too much Christmas spirit already?
Whatever gave you that impression? :b
Just a stab in the dark :b :)
foc.............i thought that was a "spot the 10 differences" competition...been up all night and not found one :o
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Put up the wrong second picture, here is the right one
:lol you had too much Christmas spirit already?
Whatever gave you that impression? :b
Just a stab in the dark :b :)
foc.............i thought that was a "spot the 10 differences" competition...been up all night and not found one :o
:rollin :rollin :rollin
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:rollin :rollin :rollin
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Pictures of him unwrapping his big toy please
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Must of opened it by now...at 13 I was up at 5 :eek
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Must of opened it by now...at 13 I was up at 5 :eek
At 13 I was up early too but unfortunately he doesn't stay with me as I'm separated, so I'll need to wait till he comes over later :(
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So...who's more excited......you or your son :lol........fantastic present, have a great day :thumbup
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Looking forward to seeing the beast Colin :)
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One happy boy :)
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Nice one. Give the carb a clean and put a new battery and he'll be flyin around in no time
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:woot :thumbup
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Nice one. Give the carb a clean and put a new battery and he'll be flyin around in no time
I'll need to look into how to clean the carb but battery is on a list of things I'll need to get for it :)
:woot :thumbup
Yeah he looks happy with it :)
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Looks ace Colin :)
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Looks ace Colin :)
Cheers Mick, bit of work needing done but not bad considering it's been sitting in a guys garage for years not running, so a wee bit of father/son bonding to boot :woot
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Great pics sinto :thumbup........some bikes will run without batterys, check for spark to see ;)
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Great pics sinto :thumbup........some bikes will run without batterys, check for spark to see ;)
Got a few hugs too :thumbup so he's well chuffed, he couldn't wait to post it on fb :lol
Yeah it's got a kick-start too but also an ignition but I don't have the key :thumbdown so I don't know if there connected somehow but there is compression and spark plugs looks new but it'll all be checked in due course :)
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Righto, thinking caps on guys.....
The thing I really need help with is with the wiring from the ignition, see pics but basically 4 wires and I can connect the black and red and the bike turns over.
The other two wires don't seem to do anything when connected but there's a kill switch on the bike and I'm wondering if these could be anything to do with that as I'm not getting a spark although the plug looks good.
It's an electronic sealed coil so I can't really check that as no tester.
So if you guys have any ideas to help that would be great. Appreciate you might not want to say how to hot wire a bike on here so just pm me any of your ideas, cheers.
First pic is from the ignition switch of which I don't have a key, 2nd pic is what's in the wiring loom of the bike.
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What colour wires come from the Ignition Coil?
What colour wires come from the stator: (left side of engine)
What colour wire/s come from the kill switch.
Is there a black wire with a doulbe connector on it?
Most Chinese pit bike use green as earth.
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What colour wires come from the Ignition Coil? green & black/white
What colour wires come from the stator: (left side of engine) green & red/white (both heavy wires)
What colour wire/s come from the kill switch. green & black/white & black & green/white
Is there a black wire with a doulbe connector on it? yes, but only on the wires coming from the ignition switch
Most Chinese pit bike use green as earth.
yes,I read that somewhere else and realised that when I took out the battery.
I'm now getting a spark :) only when I connect the red and black on the main loom, when I connect the other two I don't get a spark .
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Forgot to ask, does the CDI unit have a 4, 5 or 6 way Plug?
Does it have a key ignition switch???
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Forgot to ask, does the CDI unit have a 4, 5 or 6 way Plug?
Does it have a key ignition switch???
5 way plug
Black/white
Black/yellow
Black/red
Blue/yellow
Green
Yes it has a ignition key switch but unfortunately I don't have the key, I've tried some keys I had lying around but no joy, I don't know if these are universal keys or I'll need to buy a new ignition set.
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2, 3 or 4 wires from the ignition switch and what colour?
If it has a battery it will have a small rectifier/regulator.
There should be a pick up wire or 2 from the engine, what colour are they.
Post as many pictures as possible of any connectors. there are a number of pit bikes which are wired differently, it is just trying to figure out which one you have.
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2, 3 or 4 wires from the ignition switch and what colour?
If it has a battery it will have a small rectifier/regulator.
There should be a pick up wire or 2 from the engine, what colour are they.
Post as many pictures as possible of any connectors. there are a number of pit bikes which are wired differently, it is just trying to figure out which one you have.
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First pic is from the ignition switch of which I don't have a key, 2nd pic is what's in the wiring loom of the bike.
That's the ignition barrel wires, I'll get more posted soon
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From the front of the bike.....
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More
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More
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Sorry I can't write what I think they are as my pics only go in at end of post but hopefully you'll see what you need?
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Colin
email them to me patj_duggan@yahoo.co.uk
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Colin
email them to me patj_duggan@yahoo.co.uk
Have sent a few, cheers.
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Got them, give me a while to go through them and I should be able to sort something out on it.
It has a working starter and need to bypass the Key switch I presume.
It has petrol in it ?? :lol
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Got them, give me a while to go through them and I should be able to sort something out on it.
It has a working starter and need to bypass the Key switch I presume.
It has petrol in it ?? :lol
Cheers but there's no rush tbh it's a project so I can work with my boy and he can learn about bikes (I'm learning to :) )
The starter is turning over, the piston is going up and down, there is compression but there was no spark at the original time of writing but there is now.
The carburettor is off the bike as I wanted to see how bad/good it was as I knew the bike had been lying for a few years. Since looking at it in detail I'll need to order another one. So there is no petrol in the system, originally I wanted to know if I could bypass the ignition switch and kill switch as I didn't have a key.
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Can you check the wires from the ignition switch with a meter?
is there a short across the green and one other wire with the switch in its present state?
If you do not have a meter a battery and bulb will do the trick
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Can you check the wires from the ignition switch with a meter?
the switch can't be moved as I've no key
is there a short across the green and one other wire with the switch in its present state?
I've disconnected the ignition switch at the connector at the back and then connected the black and red wires together on the bikes wiring loom side, and connected my battery from my bike, after doing this I was able to press the starter switch on the handlebar and it turned over
If you do not have a meter a battery and bulb will do the trick
I think I'll put the carburettor back on, put some fuel in it and try it as above and see if it goes into action.
I found a wire in one of the connectors not inserted properly so that might be the reason it didn't start for previous owner.
In the note of the carburettor, does anyone think it's worth cleaning or just replace, it has been sitting idle for a few years and it doesn't look clean inside.
What would you clean it with?
It's approximately £20 for a new one.
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I usually use Cellulose thinners, but take out any rubbers like seals and O Rings first.
The cellulose will damage rubber and some gasket types.
Then with everything out soak all the jets and the carb body in the Thinners over night. Then wash it out with the thinners and reverse blow through all the orifices, but at £20 for a new one is it worth the trouble.
On some 4 wire ignition switches when on it connects 2 wiree together and when off connects the second pair of wires together, which is why I need to know if there is a short circuit between two wires in the off position
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Wee update.....
Cleaned and sorted the wiring loom, :)
Split and cleaned the carburettor (temp job as need a new one me thinks) :(
Checked spark plug :)
Checked all other engine parts :)
Put some fuel in the tank
Used my bike battery to give it a try bit it won't fire up :(
Don't know if easy start will help and also need to get a new carburettor as I think old petrol has goosed the jets etc
But apart from that, my boy is learning loads and enjoying working on the bike :thumbup
So once I order the parts that's needed hopefully it'll fire up.
Anyone any idea what size of carburettor I should get? I think it's a 22mm that's on it but been told I can get a 24mm for extra ooomph but can only seem to get them from USA or either a 26mm from UK, as far as I know I can only fit a MIKUNA one on it but I'm not sure. :(
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Well, eventually got all the parts and got them fitted and with all the other stuff happening to me I got the thing started :thumbup
Not running sweet but it's a start, a wee fine adjustment here or there and it'll be good to go me thinks :)
My boy's delighted and that's the main thing in my book.
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