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General => General => Topic started by: darrsi on 01 November 2015, 05:58:39 pm
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I went to properly adjust my clutch cable earlier, at both ends, but the clutch adjusting nut rounded off even though i only nipped it up when i last fitted a new cable, and i was using a socket to loosen it. :groan
Because of the deep positioning of it, inside the clutch cover, i don't quite know how i can remove it, and it needs doing as the adjuster at the top end only hasa few threads left on it.
Anyone got any bright ideas how i can sensibly remove it?
I'll obviously have to get a new one to replace it with.
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You say you've rounded it off? Do you know to what extent, have you got a pic or two of it? Maybe give us a better idea. :)
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i have no idea but am watching with interest.... :) , as i am 99% sure i could do this when i try!
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You say you've rounded it off? Do you know to what extent, have you got a pic or two of it? Maybe give us a better idea. :)
12mm socket slips on a 12mm nut, simple as that really.
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left hand drill bit and some screw extractors...
OR can you get at it from the other side i.e. the shaft and twist that?
Or can you get some needle nose pliers in there with some rubber for grip?
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left hand drill bit and some screw extractors...
OR can you get at it from the other side i.e. the shaft and twist that?
Or can you get some needle nose pliers in there with some rubber for grip?
Can't use a drill, it's the outer 12mm nut i want off, not the inner adjuster screw.
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ok i need to educate myself on this bit of the bike, i had never even taken that little cap off!
are they expensive???
hmmm
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Yamaha-FZS-600-Fazer-98-03-front-sprocket-cover-casing-clutch-actuator-99-00-01-/281827759682?hash=item419e3e5642:g:FzYAAOSwAYtWHiOF (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Yamaha-FZS-600-Fazer-98-03-front-sprocket-cover-casing-clutch-actuator-99-00-01-/281827759682?hash=item419e3e5642:g:FzYAAOSwAYtWHiOF)
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Put the 12mm (or even a bigger one) then going down the centre of the socket put a flat screw driver down the side of nut to jam the socket, but instead of using the socket wrench to remove, a pair of mole grips or decent pliers should be enough to loosen the nut.
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the best way to remove it would be irwin bolt grip remover like this set:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Irwin-Bolt-Grip-Remover-394001/dp/B0000CCXVZ (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Irwin-Bolt-Grip-Remover-394001/dp/B0000CCXVZ)
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the best way to remove it would be irwin bolt grip remover like this set:
[url]http://www.amazon.co.uk/Irwin-Bolt-Grip-Remover-Expansion/dp/B000QW6K8I[/url] ([url]http://www.amazon.co.uk/Irwin-Bolt-Grip-Remover-Expansion/dp/B000QW6K8I[/url])
They'd need to be long reach ones to get at the nut.
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7/16 or 15/32 AF imperial socket should fit over a rounded 12mm nut with a bit of gentle persuasion (hammer!) depending on how rounded it is. Get the type with 6 sides, not the one with 12 corners . . . good luck with it!
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Just ordered a replacement version of the nut, so hopefully it won't be made of cheese like this one, from ATV Parts UK.
Original Yamaha number is 901790817900
Replacement nut is coded 214163440000
£5.01 delivered.
Apparently it's a "special shaped" nut, otherwise i would've used a stainless one from work.
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ok i need to educate myself on this bit of the bike, i had never even taken that little cap off!
You just prize it off with a flat screwdriver, then you'll see what we're talking about.
are they expensive???
Not really, there's no liquid behind the actual plate, if you just unscrew it off I'm sure you'll find most of the gunk that's came off the chain etc.
You sure you've not had this off when you were doing your front sprocket? As that's what's behind it :b
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the best way to remove it would be irwin bolt grip remover like this set:
[url]http://www.amazon.co.uk/Irwin-Bolt-Grip-Remover-394001/dp/B0000CCXVZ[/url] ([url]http://www.amazon.co.uk/Irwin-Bolt-Grip-Remover-394001/dp/B0000CCXVZ[/url])
They'd need to be long reach ones to get at the nut.
They are sockets and will get there fine and its only tool that bites into the nut when you untighten it, irwin grip sockets are the best for removing any stuck nuts/bolts.
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ok i need to educate myself on this bit of the bike, i had never even taken that little cap off!
are they expensive???
hmmm
[url]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Yamaha-FZS-600-Fazer-98-03-front-sprocket-cover-casing-clutch-actuator-99-00-01-/281827759682?hash=item419e3e5642:g:FzYAAOSwAYtWHiOF[/url] ([url]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Yamaha-FZS-600-Fazer-98-03-front-sprocket-cover-casing-clutch-actuator-99-00-01-/281827759682?hash=item419e3e5642:g:FzYAAOSwAYtWHiOF[/url])
You need to read this, it's a very worthwhile thing to do.
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the best way to remove it would be irwin bolt grip remover like this set:
[url]http://www.amazon.co.uk/Irwin-Bolt-Grip-Remover-394001/dp/B0000CCXVZ[/url] ([url]http://www.amazon.co.uk/Irwin-Bolt-Grip-Remover-394001/dp/B0000CCXVZ[/url])
They'd need to be long reach ones to get at the nut.
They are sockets and will get there fine and its only tool that bites into the nut when you untighten it, irwin grip sockets are the best for removing any stuck nuts/bolts.
You won't be able to put anything into the square bit at the back of those sockets to give you leverage due to the clutch adjusting screw that the nut goes over, that's why I said you need long reach ones.
I do agree they're good but not for that bolt. :(
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the best way to remove it would be irwin bolt grip remover like this set:
[url]http://www.amazon.co.uk/Irwin-Bolt-Grip-Remover-394001/dp/B0000CCXVZ[/url] ([url]http://www.amazon.co.uk/Irwin-Bolt-Grip-Remover-394001/dp/B0000CCXVZ[/url])
Maybe they might have something like this at my work?
No point in me buying them, i may as well just buy another sprocket cover for the same money!
Wonder why there's an 18 years old age limit on them?
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ok i need to educate myself on this bit of the bike, i had never even taken that little cap off!
are they expensive???
hmmm
[url]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Yamaha-FZS-600-Fazer-98-03-front-sprocket-cover-casing-clutch-actuator-99-00-01-/281827759682?hash=item419e3e5642:g:FzYAAOSwAYtWHiOF[/url] ([url]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Yamaha-FZS-600-Fazer-98-03-front-sprocket-cover-casing-clutch-actuator-99-00-01-/281827759682?hash=item419e3e5642:g:FzYAAOSwAYtWHiOF[/url])
You need to read this, it's a very worthwhile thing to do.
I am watching.....and waiting..... :b ....only kidding
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You've nothing to loose (except £24) :lol Get it off the bike and into a vice and take a hammer to it!
Or . . .
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Universal-Multi-fit-socket-7mm-to-19mm-damaged-nut-removal-3-8-drive/361305783211?_trksid=p2141725.c100338.m3726&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20150313114020%26meid%3Da9bafaaa89dd49bd99aa17bdca7e0f3f%26pid%3D100338%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D20%26mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D201312094629 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Universal-Multi-fit-socket-7mm-to-19mm-damaged-nut-removal-3-8-drive/361305783211?_trksid=p2141725.c100338.m3726&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20150313114020%26meid%3Da9bafaaa89dd49bd99aa17bdca7e0f3f%26pid%3D100338%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D20%26mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D201312094629)
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You've nothing to loose (except £24) :lol Get it off the bike and into a vice and take a hammer to it!
Or . . .
[url]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Universal-Multi-fit-socket-7mm-to-19mm-damaged-nut-removal-3-8-drive/361305783211?_trksid=p2141725.c100338.m3726&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20150313114020%26meid%3Da9bafaaa89dd49bd99aa17bdca7e0f3f%26pid%3D100338%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D20%26mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D201312094629[/url] ([url]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Universal-Multi-fit-socket-7mm-to-19mm-damaged-nut-removal-3-8-drive/361305783211?_trksid=p2141725.c100338.m3726&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20150313114020%26meid%3Da9bafaaa89dd49bd99aa17bdca7e0f3f%26pid%3D100338%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D20%26mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D201312094629[/url])
Was thinking about that gadget earlier.
They're 24mm in diameter though,not sure if itwould fit in the gap without measuring it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2n7j43AoKeg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2n7j43AoKeg)
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Was thinking about that gadget earlier.
They're 24mm in diameter though,not sure if itwould fit in the gap without measuring it?
Might not fit in the gap as you say, but another problem you'll have is the centre pins will push up against the adjusting screw first and maybe not allow it to go down far enough to catch the nut.
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Was thinking about that gadget earlier.
They're 24mm in diameter though,not sure if itwould fit in the gap without measuring it?
Might not fit in the gap as you say, but another problem you'll have is the centre pins will push up against the adjusting screw first and maybe not allow it to go down far enough to catch the nut.
Yeah, i just said exactly the same thing to a mate of mine.
Handy little gadget though, just ordered one for £7.99, it's bound to come in handy.
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Was thinking about that gadget earlier.
They're 24mm in diameter though,not sure if itwould fit in the gap without measuring it?
Might not fit in the gap as you say, but another problem you'll have is the centre pins will push up against the adjusting screw first and maybe not allow it to go down far enough to catch the nut.
Yeah, i just said exactly the same thing to a mate of mine.
Handy little gadget though, just ordered one for £7.99, it's bound to come in handy.
Always handy, I've got one in the bottom of my tool box just in case, but really only good if you have clear access to the thing you want to move.
I've used mine to remove many a worn nut/bolt. You just need to remember to push it on and hold it there as you turn to slacken or it just comes off :(
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Don't forget to let us all know how you get on with this one darrsi :)
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I find Metrinch sockets perfect for situations like this.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/METRINCH-1-4-Socket-Spanners-Set-0-20-0-51-9-Pt-Deep-Long-MET-0230-Cliprail-/251971465959?hash=item3aaaab72e7:m:msilKaJMdrPx895LgYuPYLw (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/METRINCH-1-4-Socket-Spanners-Set-0-20-0-51-9-Pt-Deep-Long-MET-0230-Cliprail-/251971465959?hash=item3aaaab72e7:m:msilKaJMdrPx895LgYuPYLw)
They have quite bad reviews and are known for rounding off good nuts, but I only use mine for nuts that are already fucked so I've got nothing to lose.
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I remembered today that I have some unused brand new Impact Driver sockets, which I can only presume will have 6 flats on? (gotta think where I've put them?)
Got it all adjusted okay at the mo' so not gonna attempt anything until the new nut turns up.
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Impact sockets are often thicker than a normal socket so the outside diameter might not fit in the hole but if it does that's what I'd try first. An impact socket with a rattle gun.
There's also a "universal socket" that might be worth trying. It has pins in it that retract to form the shape of the nut. I haven't seen or used one before so can't say if it's any good or not
http://www.fleetfarm.com/products/images/medium/0000000030982.jpg (http://www.fleetfarm.com/products/images/medium/0000000030982.jpg)
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Impact sockets are often thicker than a normal socket so the outside diameter might not fit in the hole but if it does that's what I'd try first. An impact socket with a rattle gun.
There's also a "universal socket" that might be worth trying. It has pins in it that retract to form the shape of the nut. I haven't seen or used one before so can't say if it's any good or not
[url]http://www.fleetfarm.com/products/images/medium/0000000030982.jpg[/url] ([url]http://www.fleetfarm.com/products/images/medium/0000000030982.jpg[/url])
Yeah, that was mentioned earlier, which resulted in me buying one anyway, i'm too easy like that. :lol
Bit concerned it may latch on to the centre adjusting worm screw and possibly damage it.
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I had the same worry getting a big bolt off the end of a crankshaft. I thought the engine might turn over and fire me off over the other side of the workshop :lol but it didn't because it's the rapid on off impacting that does the job rather than a constant torque. An impact gun should zip if off no problem
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Still not touched it 'cos it's all okay at the mo', but for anyone interested this is what it looks like.
Not sure which way round it goes yet?
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Glad all's ok for the mo'. Looks like its got quite a coarse thread on it Darrsi.
I wonder if it's metric or JIS? Now where did I put my Zeus chart? :lol
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Glad all's ok for the mo'. Looks like its got quite a coarse thread on it Darrsi.
I wonder if it's metric or JIS? Now where did I put my Zeus chart? :lol
Picture's a bit deceiving, don't forget it's only a 12mm nut.
I'll replace it at the weekend in the daylight hours.
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All sorted, found a long 12mm socket i never knew i had which had 6 points rather than 12 points on it and it came off no problem.
My impact socket would have fitted as well, as there was plenty of room.
Changed the OEM nut with the replacement version, which is hopefully made of sterner stuff.
Another Fazer part made of the finest cheese.
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All sorted, found a long 12mm socket i never knew i had which had 6 points rather than 12 points on it and it came off no problem.
Changed the OEM nut with the replacement version, which is hopefully made of sterner stuff.
Good work :thumbup
Where have you bought the replacement version? I am asking cause need to adjust it soon myself...
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Just ordered a replacement version of the nut, so hopefully it won't be made of cheese like this one, from ATV Parts UK.
Original Yamaha number is 901790817900
Replacement nut is coded 214163440000
£5.01 delivered.
Apparently it's a "special shaped" nut, otherwise i would've used a stainless one from work.
As above ;)
If you use a socket with just the 6 points on it rather than 12 I think you'll be totally fine undoing it.
A 12mm deep angled ring spanner is the correct way of nipping it back up though, 'cos you need to adjust the centre screw.
It really does make a difference when adjusting it properly from the lower end first, the clutch lever and changing gear felt much smoother this morning in comparison to before.
I've been stuck in so much traffic over the last month I'm probably wearing the cable out much quicker than it should do, and I've been burning fuel for fun. I wouldn't mind but it's not even that far to my work but recent journeys have been horrendous with the sheer volume of traffic, sometimes with my own road being clogged up. On really bad days I've even resorted to sneakily using the pavement in side roads otherwise I just wouldn't move. :\