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Bikes, Hints'n'Tips => FZS600 Fazer => Topic started by: Flying_haggis on 24 October 2015, 07:53:16 am
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Thinking about whether or not to upgrade my exhaust system on my 98 Fazer to something that sounds a bit nicer. The standard exhaust is fine but its a bit too quiet and I'd rather cars etc could hear me a bit better.
My local mechanic has tried to talk me out of an upgrade saying that nothing is better suited to the bike than the standard system especially with regards to the downpipes.
Not really keen on doing any re-jetting or anything just looking for a straight bolt on swap. I have found someone in Australia who sells full Motad systems.
Just wondering if anyone has had any problems after fitting different exhausts with the way the bike runs?
Cheers FH
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Hi FH. I have Leo Vince titanium slip on. Plug and Play. No Probs. Standard air filter.
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Keep the standard downpipes for as long as possible, or basically until they disintegrate.
The bike wizard who tweaks my bike on the dyno has always said the same, he reckons they are way superior to any aftermarket pipes you can ever buy.
Have a look on YouTube to give you a rough idea on exhaust notes.
From experience and also personal opinion go for something midrange in regards to noise, it WILL drive you bonkers eventually otherwise.
I have a noisy one, and a reasonable one, which i change per mood, but in reality the less noisy end can wins without a doubt.
Changing the end can will more than likely result in the bike needing a carb balance to make it run true, in fact it's a must.
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http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=fzs600+exhaust (http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=fzs600+exhaust)
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Bit weird listening to the Quill sound, 'cos i've balanced the carbs so well the aggressive rumble has gone, which is a bit sad really, 'cos it sounds lovely. :\
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Nny3wQGnJ4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Nny3wQGnJ4)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlMgEU3wqxI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlMgEU3wqxI)
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i have a black widow slip on exhaust i got off an ebay store. Its Loud! like... stupid loud with the baffle out it runs a little rough so needs a carb balence. baffle in its not to bad, and doesent give you a headache....
I know Sinto runs a scorpion that sounds nice and is not overly loud.
Suppose it depends on how loud you want and if you want to rebalence carbs / filter change.
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Thanks for the response guys, some good looking/sounding exhausts.
Glad to hear someone else has been told what I have about the downpipes darrsi. My downpipes are in pretty good nic so I'll keep those on. Interesting to note that the carbs will need balanced although they're probably due for that anyway.
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Last month I fitted a Delkavic oval can which I'm really pleased with, like you just wanted a better sound from the bike without being anti social. Great looking can and good quality at a reasonable price £129ish, bolted straight on, oh had to order a link pipe £30 :)
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Got the Motad Venom kit on. All good quality and reasonable price, but not that loud, even with baffle out. Really not much louder than stock.
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Thanks for the response guys, some good looking/sounding exhausts.
Glad to hear someone else has been told what I have about the downpipes darrsi. My downpipes are in pretty good nic so I'll keep those on. Interesting to note that the carbs will need balanced although they're probably due for that anyway.
They're made from mild steel, if they're in good condition i would suggest a lick of spray/paint to increase the life, 'cos they are certainly better than replacements.
I would seriously recommend a K&N air filter though if changing the end can, and you WILL need a carb balance, but the end result will be very worthwhile.
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this one sounds nice and cheap think it was about 130ish
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The SP Engineering end can in the video is totally road legal, all marked up and baffled, and is shown with the baffle in.
I tried it once without and admittedly it sounded astounding but would be certainly classed in the category of "taking the piss".
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Did someone on here not open up the original end-can to ease restriction / get some more noise?
Might be the best compromise (and certainly one of the cheaper options)
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Not really keen on doing any re-jetting or anything just looking for a straight bolt on swap.
If I ever change mine that would be with Remus - the sound is great :lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mM2U6lH_Uu8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mM2U6lH_Uu8)
And they are slip ons too:
http://www.sportsbikeshop.co.uk/motorcycle_parts/content_prod/80980 (http://www.sportsbikeshop.co.uk/motorcycle_parts/content_prod/80980)
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I have a scorpion can on mine. Which I love.
Up to 4000-5000rpm it not loud at all, it just gives the engine a deeper note. Beyond that it gets a bit louder but nit taking the p* until it gets about 10,000 then it is a bit of a screamer.
It does some lovely crackles and pops on the down ships and slowing fir junctions but is not crazy at all.
It's marked not road legal but the mot testers never complain. I've passed plenty of coppers and unless I'm ragging it they never bat an eyelid.
I bought the bike with after market stainless downpipes, k&n filter and to my knowledge standard carbs(?).
Actually I think I'm going for a ride now....
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The standard exhaust is fine but its a bit too quiet and I'd rather cars etc could hear me a bit better.
I have done this to mine and it works a treat
(http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=13795.0;attach=12920;image)
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Still a big fan of Blue Flame pipes (have them on 3 bikes) - also have a Remus (on the FJ12), awesome Kerker cans on the VF750 and have had a few Motad's in recent times.
The fact that we now have 3 bikes with Blue Flames tells you what we think - best combination of quality, sound, durability, looks & price - road legal but with really easily removed baffles.
Here's the 600 with its can
(http://i43.tinypic.com/vyuy8.jpg)
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The standard exhaust is fine but its a bit too quiet and I'd rather cars etc could hear me a bit better.
I have done this to mine and it works a treat
([url]http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=13795.0;attach=12920;image[/url])
:lol
Shame the Harris 'works' exhaust isn't available to fit the FZS, I think it would suit the bike I know Hyde still make them but at £500 + nobodies going to buy one just to hack the end off
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Fitted the SP engineering stubby big bore to mine , it took Bit of power away , but it sounds fantastic in 1st at 8k rpm , I have since had Ivans full Monty done to it and that makes a bell of difference.
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My exhaust,
Really pleased with the looks, the sound although it's a bit pricey on the retail front, about £270 if you look for it on ebay, but bring Scottish I certainly didn't pay that :b
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I've got the full delkavic system ... sounds great and pretty cheap compared to others. Also made in Britain and good customer service !
(http://i57.tinypic.com/246qufc.jpg)
However when you fit it don't be a pleb like me and get this far before realising your mistake.
(http://i43.tinypic.com/296p5lk.jpg)
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([url]http://i43.tinypic.com/296p5lk.jpg[/url])
Well, that's different :b
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Love my blueflame one on my 51 plate FZs600
The Db checking guys at Brands Hatch also liked it a lot too, and they must hear a lot of exhausts. :)
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I'm with Harry on this.
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Ok so I've ordered a Delkevic tri oval muffler 420mm. There only $290 which seems reasonable to me and I can get it here in Australia. Might be here by the end of the week. Should make things a wee bit louder! :)
Might look at getting my standard downpipes sand blasted and powder coated or something.
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Ok so I've ordered a Delkevic tri oval muffler 420mm. There only $290 which seems reasonable to me and I can get it here in Australia. Might be here by the end of the week. Should make things a wee bit louder! :)
Might look at getting my standard downpipes sand blasted and powder coated or something.
forget powder coat, will burn off in seconds
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Yeah I thought that might be the case. Been doing a bit of reading about ceramic coating, there's a place near me that does it.
Or maybe just some heat resistant paint would be better. Although I tried paint on a car manifold once and it didn't last long.
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Yeah I thought that might be the case. Been doing a bit of reading about ceramic coating, there's a place near me that does it.
Or maybe just some heat resistant paint would be better. Although I tried paint on a car manifold once and it didn't last long.
I use granvile cylinder black that gos on a treat with a brush and you go for a spin to get the heat to cure it, drys satin. But it dosent last that long either and starts to flake after about 6 months
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I wouldn't know where to go or who to ask but I wonder how cheap we could have a set of stainless downpipes and collector's made if we turned up to an exhaust manufacturer with a set of drawings
Theres a lad on the car forum I;m on and he has parts made, sells them just above cost and basically gets his own one free
Just need someone to do the design and people prepared to invest a few quid to get the ball rolling
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I wouldn't know where to go or who to ask but I wonder how cheap we could have a set of stainless downpipes and collector's made if we turned up to an exhaust manufacturer with a set of drawings
Theres a lad on the car forum I;m on and he has parts made, sells them just above cost and basically gets his own one free
Just need someone to do the design and people prepared to invest a few quid to get the ball rolling
I know a few places as I deliver to them, but individual prices are way too highI'd imagine, don't know what the minimum amount would be but could try and find out at some point.
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I know a few places as I deliver to them, but individual prices are way too highI'd imagine, don't know what the minimum amount would be but could try and find out at some point.
If you could find a supply of pre formed bends (providing they are available with the correct radius) at a reasonable price then the material cost could be calculated, whether you could then get them welded and still be under the price of some of the cheaper systems on ebay is another matter
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If you could find a supply of pre formed bends (providing they are available with the correct radius) at a reasonable price then the material cost could be calculated, whether you could then get them welded and still be under the price of some of the cheaper systems on ebay is another matter
I wouldn't be finding any supply of pre formed bends :eek
I'd just be taking my set to them to copy and let them figure it out.
I'm not too sure of the 'cheaper versions' as they tend to be cheap for a reason :(
The other problem is those balancing pipes and the bolts on the original, that would up the price doing them, probably why those cheaper ones are cheap, I don't tend to see them on those ones.
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If you could find a supply of pre formed bends (providing they are available with the correct radius) at a reasonable price then the material cost could be calculated, whether you could then get them welded and still be under the price of some of the cheaper systems on ebay is another matter
I wouldn't be finding any supply of pre formed bends :eek
I'd just be taking my set to them to copy and let them figure it out.
I'm not too sure of the 'cheaper versions' as they tend to be cheap for a reason :(
The other problem is those balancing pipes and the bolts on the original, that would up the price doing them, probably why those cheaper ones are cheap, I don't tend to see them on those ones.
Only using the ebay pipes for a price guide, if you couldn't have pipes made for less than say £250 you may aswell go with the Motad ones, they've done all the design and development. As for pricing of any of the pipes mentioned, there must be a fair bit of profit built into the price so how much are they costing to build?
I brought a proper roll bar for my Eunos that is tied into the chassis, the lad on MX Nutz designed the bar and farmed out the work, TR Lane sell similar bars over twice the price of the one I purchased but then they are in business and have to make a profit where as my bar was designed by an enthusiast whos mission was to supply the bars to cover the cost of development and the cost of his own bar.
I'm not saying it can definitely be done but it could be an option
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So here's what I went with...