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Bikes, Hints'n'Tips => FZS600 Fazer => Topic started by: Paulfzs on 09 October 2015, 12:39:55 am
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so ive fitted hid to the left side orn my boxeye...
I keep seeing people saying "turn night to day" but mines more.. turn night to dusk...
55w led + ballast..
Anyone here fitted hid to the left side got any pictures of how it looks at night on a road and not a wall at 5 yards.
im trying to work out if its my kit thats weak or just crappy due to the bad reflectors.
Hid bulb only not hid projector.
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Paul, here's mine mate.
I'll need to get nighttime ones but it is bright and certainly makes a difference :)
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I cant find the pictures from when I did mine but I did both sides and had done the dual light mod so I had 2x HID on for dipped beam.
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Hid bulb only not hid projector.
You could put the sun in there and it will make little difference without doing something about the reflectors!
Projectors work because they're not using the reflectors to distribute the light.
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mine looks similar sinto but im not sure if its actually any brighter than an osram nightbreaker that i had in before.
which way did you put your bulb?
the little rod pointing up or down?
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mine looks similar sinto but im not sure if its actually any brighter than an osram nightbreaker that i had in before.
which way did you put your bulb?
the little rod pointing up or down?
I had a nightbreaker in before Paul, and my HID is way brighter and sharper than that was.
Can't remember what way the bulb went in as it's actually a H7 that I had lying around as I just wanted to try and see what it'd look like before I went on with my future mod of HID's on both sides :b
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hmm, it dark now, go for a ride :D
put it on centre stand in a dark road or something.
i know pics wont do it justice but atleast i can compare.
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hmm, it dark now, go for a ride :D
put it on centre stand in a dark road or something.
i know pics wont do it justice but atleast i can compare.
It's been dark here for ages :(
But had a couple of beers :)
I'll go down to garage and take a couple of pics of it going across street, not ideal but you'll get an idea.
Give me 5mins or so mate :)
Edit...here you go.
1st is no lights,
2nd is dipped beam
3rd is full beam
And yes, you may have to tilt your head :lol
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Yeah thats better than mine :S
quite a bit better!
full beam isnt but i have spotlights :D
ill go out soon and grab a pic of mine
with the dip beam on your pic.. where the paving slabs end thats about 1/2 as bright as mine is and thats all i have, nothing further along :S
i just seem to have a dull box infront of me that lights up maybe 5 feet ahead of where it starts.
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Yes Paul, just the nearside bulb, yes, the full beam is crap but I'm just waiting on a set of lamps coming then I'm going to experiment with dual hi/lo H4 HID bulbs :)
Don't really need full beam when I've got one good HID :b
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That's only about a car length, I adjusted my lights to get more distance, maybe you just have to adjust the screws to get more length?
I've sat behind cop cars and even travelling towards me and never had them pull me over so they must be ok :)
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showoff :D
i need to figure out whats wrong with mine.
definitely not as bright as yours and the range is pathetic.
ill have a go with the screws.. although last time i did they didn't do much
what ballast do you use? and whats the wattage of bulb and ballast
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Where's your pics?
Let me see your ballast and wiring too when you get a chance, I've never had any hassle with installing HID's into any of my bikes (about 4) and my cars (3) and also my mates bike's, so could just be a crap set up you have tbh
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I'll search the garage tomorrow and find the ballast and bulb and take a pic of it and post it here, I know it's slimline but not sure of wattage at the moment and i've only ever used 6000k bulbs as anything else isn't as sharp, too low is crap, too high is illegal so I've always stuck with 6000k
It's not just the wattage etc of the bulb, it's the output of the ballast so it can light the bulb up properly, the pictures I took weren't as good as they get better the longer they're on, the bulb wasn't even warmed up when I took that as I just turned on ignition, turned on lights and took the pics.
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ive tried different types...
The big waterproof 35w ballast + 35w bulb and had no problems with flicker just weak power.
put on a 55w ballast and bulb and it has a flicker the same as this: ! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmC13wrRBSM#)
i bought a "proper" harness from ebay as i showed before with the relay connected direct to the battery and it still flickered, i bought a 4700kv capacitor from maplins and wired it into the harness and still flickers.
tried different 55w bulbs but no difference. the ballast eventually died due to coming unstuck from my fairing and getting bashed around (earplugs i didnt hear it) so i got a 3rd 55w slim ballast and still flickering.
current ballast
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/331564915636?_trksid=p2057872.m2748.l2649&var=540718233761&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/331564915636?_trksid=p2057872.m2748.l2649&var=540718233761&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT)
ordered new 55w bulbs, they came with a ballast plug that connects direct to the h1 plug of the headlight and still flickers.
I connected a hid bulb + ballast to a 12v 22ah mobility scooter battery and it fired up fine got super bright and didn't flicker...
My battery is 10ah so it should be plenty as they only really take 8-9ah at start up then drop.
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Mmmm not sure what's happening atm, but flickering is generally down to poor connections/poor ballast as it's struggling to transfer the power through to the bulb
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Mmmm not sure what's happening atm, but flickering is generally down to poor connections/poor ballast as it's struggling to transfer the power through to the bulb
ill check all connections but no idea, its fine untill it warms up which is odd.
turning the fan on makes no difference to it
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So you really should be running 55w ballast and bulbs and not have them connected to the battery in anyway, the only HID harness that has to be connected to the battery direct is a dual element HID as it needs constant power when lights are on to make it work as a dual element.
What was the k's of the bulbs you use(d) as I said earlier, I only use 6000k as these seem to be the most stable that I've found and apart from that, they are a far crisper light as far as I'm concerned :)
Why would turning on the fan make a difference?
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ive tried 4000k 5000k and 6000k, got 6000k in at the moment.
when it flickers/wobbles it seems to alternate between a light blue and a white so it seems like its not getting a stable enough current to keep it the white it should be.
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Is the ballast capable of doing 6000k? Some are cheap crap and would light up the original fazer bulbs nevermind an HID bulb :b
Another thought....is the bulb secure and the connections good?
Check inside every connection and make sure they are sound, sometimes one of them loose can cause you problems but as you put one plug into the other you automatically think it's sound but it could be not making a good enough connection.
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Your just a tad too far for me to come and check it out for you :b
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im sure its all connected properly, ive had them in and out a lot, i cannot work it out and ive spent a fair bit on bulbs + ballasts + harness's now its irritating me.
next step is rip it out fit one of those "100W" leds and some cooling and blind everyone for my own seeing ability :D
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im sure its all connected properly, ive had them in and out a lot, i cannot work it out and ive spent a fair bit on bulbs + ballasts + harness's now its irritating me.
next step is rip it out fit one of those "100W" leds and some cooling and blind everyone for my own seeing ability :D
Or just go to specsavers :lol
But seriously, as you've had the connections in and out alot, it'd be worth checking all the internal connectors are sound, also slightly pull each of the wires that go into the plugs to ensure they are seated correctly, amazingly as they're generally all made in China, some do slip through the net :b and this could of been your problem from the beginning.
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few pics..
dip beam (hid)
(http://i.imgur.com/zj4bvIf.jpg)
main beam (spotlights)
(http://i.imgur.com/cEvm2QV.jpg)
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You deffinetly have a problem there Paul, and adjusting the aim might not be the answer as you don't seem to have any decent power coming from the HID, if you did, that road sign would be reflected alot more than it is. (Just look how it's brighter with your spots hitting it) but the HID hitting it would be alot brighter.
What's the difference when you had a nightbreaker in there?
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Some pics of the HID I use.
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These are the connections you really need to make sure are sound and not loose.
(and the male side that goes into the red plug that I never took a pic of)
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the nightbreaker is about the same distance just a bit whiter.
youre only using 35w and brighter than my 55w.. something is definately wrong. and its a cheapy chinese one too by the look of the writing.
i have 2 of those wires for the ballast too..
i cant work out what it could be ...
i think im going to disconnect my mobility scooter battery and try using it to power the hid in the bike see how it goes... that will tell me if its power or something else.
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Yeah, 35w ballast is what I've got, I thought it was 55w tbh but still bright and sharp beam pattern.
Was out with my mate and his was a bit temperamental, we discovered that the red block connector had a connection loose, hence the reason I said to check everything :)
Are you getting enough power at the light switch on the handlebars? If they're a bit iffy that won't help either, also I've got the dual light mod but my connections are sound, maybe worth checking that too, the more power drawing from your light system might be a problem too. Try disconnecting your spot lights completely to see if that improves your HID on it's own :)
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disconnected spots even though they only come on with main beam and no difference.
i removed the sidelight bulb too, and no change.
ill get my volt meter out and see what im getting from the switch, it still does the same if im taking it straight from the battery too which is weird.
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I also noticed, looking back at the pic of your ballast your using, that yours doesn't have the 'black box', I was lead to believe that you need this to boost power from 12v to the 23000v needed for the HID's
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I also noticed, looking back at the pic of your ballast your using, that yours doesn't have the 'black box', I was lead to believe that you need this to boost power from 12v to the 23000v needed for the HID's
Thats my old ballast that went pop, my new one has a box on it the same as yours.
Do you know how the power should go to the bulbs? if its a steady current or pulses?
When my bulb went a while back i didnt realise it was all powered up still and i unplugged the bulb and got a pulsing current like a spark plug zapping me repeatedly.. was pretty painful!
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I also noticed, looking back at the pic of your ballast your using, that yours doesn't have the 'black box', I was lead to believe that you need this to boost power from 12v to the 23000v needed for the HID's
Thats my old ballast that went pop, my new one has a box on it the same as yours.
Ahh right
Do you know how the power should go to the bulbs? if its a steady current or pulses?
When my bulb went a while back i didnt realise it was all powered up still and i unplugged the bulb and got a pulsing current like a spark plug zapping me repeatedly.. was pretty painful!
Yes it pulses as my mate and I found out while trying to sort his out and yes I agree, painful :eek
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Unless you've got a spare ballast or bulb it's hard to check which one isn't working correctly, you can get a spare ballast here http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&id=321767419057&alt=web (http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&id=321767419057&alt=web) or I could maybe send you my spare one to try it and see how you go with it?
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Ok so just tried direct to my mobility scooter battery... 12v 22ah! heated up fine as normal and then started flickering like it does with my normal battery..
tried different wiring and no joy.
still not brighter and flickers still...
must be the ballast ive been through like 7 bulbs trying.
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Ok so just tried direct to my mobility scooter battery... 12v 22ah! heated up fine as normal and then started flickering like it does with my normal battery..
tried different wiring and no joy.
still not brighter and flickers still...
must be the ballast ive been through like 7 bulbs trying.
Two choices mate,
Either send it to me or I send you my spare one to try?
Mind you, trying it on YOUR mobility scooter raises more questions than answers! :pokefun
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think im going to try another ballast, might spend a bit more on one and see where i end up, a friend of mine had a hid on his fazer so will ask him how bad mine is compared to what his was
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Keep us posted on the outcome :)
Can you post a pic from the front of the bike with the HID on?
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So I managed to get some pics in the dark.
1st dipped beam HID
2nd full beam not HID
3rd dipped beam HID
4th full beam not HID
Remember, I'm running a HID on my dipped beam on the nearside but on the H4 (offside) it's just an osram nightbreaker.
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yeah.. mines not even 1/4 of that!
what battery do you have how many ah?
how is yours wired? the 2 spade connectors into the headlight plug and thats it?
if so thats the same as mine...
i must have a dodgy ballast...
no point you sending me a bulb or ballast to test itll be the same price to post as buying one on ebay
also your high beam is 10x better than mine....
what the hell is going on with my headlights!!
ive tried a 100w bulb in main and its not even that bright!
Just realised your ballast is dc > ac, googlings leads me to believe dc = crap.
i need to check my 35w non slim non digital ballast im sure thats ac and that didn't flicker i don't think
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A good HID kit uses the headlight connector element for switching the HID on and selecting high/low beam. There should be a separate power cable from the battery to actually power the ballast unit.
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yeah.. mines not even 1/4 of that!
what battery do you have how many ah?
Don't know, I'll need to check
how is yours wired? the 2 spade connectors into the headlight plug and thats it?
Yes, plus all the ballast wires
if so thats the same as mine...
i must have a dodgy ballast...
Possibly
no point you sending me a bulb or ballast to test itll be the same price to post as buying one on ebay
Okidoki
also your high beam is 10x better than mine....
what the hell is going on with my headlights!!
Don't really know tbh
ive tried a 100w bulb in main and its not even that bright!
Just realised your ballast is dc > ac, googlings leads me to believe dc = crap.
It's got to be dc voltage to the ballast, then that gives the ac voltage to the bulb
Now
i need to check my 35w non slim non digital ballast im sure thats ac and that didn't flicker i don't think
but did it give you better brightness/power to the bulb?
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my 35w ballast is dc aswell so no dc > ac which could explain the flicker and weak lighting...
need to find an ac ballast that is a real ac and not just a sticker.
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my 35w ballast is dc aswell so no dc > ac which could explain the flicker and weak lighting...
I don't think mine say dc - ac (I'll check later tonight) but it's purely knowledge that I say it should be, your normal lights are just dc but put on something like a HID where it needs to change voltage it then becomes ac, so your input is dc to that unit but ac after it.
need to find an ac ballast that is a real ac and not just a sticker.
see above
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your ballast is dc > ac
(http://i.imgur.com/nCpuJL9.png)
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Well that'll save me looking at it when I get home :lol
Yeah get some like them then :)
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Was looking through those pics I posted earlier, can't believe the translation :b
Made me laugh anyhow :)