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General => General => Topic started by: dazza on 22 February 2012, 05:03:14 pm
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Hi everyone, would appreciate any feedback on what sort of top speed you are getting from a stock 03 model. Mine seems to be struggling over 140, have crept it up to 150 indicated, don't know if i'm expecting too much or it is holding back. Have checked air filter which was quite dirty have blown it out and ordered a new one which i intend to fit before taking it out again. I will see if this makes a difference but in the meantime would appreciate any input...safe riding.
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Have to add before i get any finger wagging, wouldn't dream of doing those sort of speeds on the public roads :evil
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daz http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php/topic,74.0.html (http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php/topic,74.0.html)
you need "the Ivanator" as introduced in the link above,if it is on a track then get the suspenders sorted as well that'll be :evil syam
[size=78%]see R6 Shock thread [/size]
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165 indicated from my FZ1 :D
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165 indicated from my FZ1 :D
Slip streaming Kosmic again :lol
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:lol No slipstreaming needed.....got a few mods that no doubt help (PC3, flies mod, K&N etc)
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Not taken mine over 140, but i have 2 teeth on the rear so fitted a speedo healer and adjusted it for error as well. i know at 100 reading on the speedo i get 100 on sat nav and on speed gun from police :( (another story :P ) i cant imagin 140 on speedo is far off 140 actual.
the down side is in Mway roadworks i know i am doing 50 but everyone else is trying to do 46 :P
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On my first gen1 speedo I once got 178 on the clock. It had around 5% inaccuracy so this was about 160 ish.This was ideal conditions on a dual carriageway with a light tail wind.
My FZ-1 would not pull any more than 165 indicated on its clock. Take off speedo inaccuracy ...maybe 155 true ?This was down the 2 mile straight at bruntingthorpe on a warm dry day with little wind.A ivanised gen1 ran very similar top speed on the day.
My second gen1 will do around 155 on the sat nav, 165 indicated . Thats on a german autobahn.The clock has only 5% inaccuracy.( according to sat nav)
TBH once you get to this sort of speed, aerodynamics make so much diffrence....you would need masses more power to get more speed.
If you have 140 on the clock as a maximum thats only about 130 true , so it does sound like the engine is struggling a bit.
My current gen1 has the full monty jet kit( 138 bhp at wheel) and absolutely whizzes right up to 150 without any problem. The last 10 mph take much more effort.
I would strongly recommend you get this kit fitted ....
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190 past the local primary school...............on the back wheel(http://www.runemasterstudios.com/graemlins/images/bolt.gif)
hit the limiter in top in germany last year behind a gsxr1000 with a big lad on it, too busy watching the road to check speedo!!
my old BMW1100S would hit an indicated 150 (144 on the gps, so 142 in reality) with 95hp, so perhaps OP is in need of a service or crecer cajones(http://www.runemasterstudios.com/graemlins/images/tach.gif)
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My old 2002 gen1 would do 160 flat out down a hill and be weaving like a good un but I was 20 st in leathers in them days
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My AJW Greyhound used to do 85mph down the sidcup by pass,women fancied me like rotten and i've got nymphamanic girlfriend who's Dad owns Batemans :lol :lol :lol
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Fazer 600 1998 145 indicated being chased by fazer thous. Erm private road :evil
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reading this is like being back in the pub :rolleyes
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5 mph down lane being chased by 15 year old 3 legged blind Jack Russell and 2 old biddies with zimmer frames, piss everywhere.
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300mph on the bypass while eating a pork pie and smoking a fag
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300mph on the bypass while eating a pork pie and smoking a fag
:lol
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300mph on the bypass while eating a pork pie and smoking a fag
Don't be so silly how can eat and smoke :lol
btw your" List" is a proper list ;)
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Thanks for all your comments ....some more helpful than others but not as entertaining, have just realised my bike has got 6 gears not 5 so perhaps it's alright after all ! No seriously took it out today, hit 145 in 5th i think conditions play a big part in it and totally agree about the aerodynamics. Am seriously considering getting it ivanised. At 47 should i still be chasing the rush...I think so, not ready for a pipe and slippers yet.
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dazza
In all seriousness the big improvement when fitting a full monty ivans kit is the massive jump in mid range power.Its not really doing much for top speed as such. But the midrange boost means top gear acceleration is stunning from as little as 5000 revs, and it pulls very well from 4000. On normal riding it does become a top gear machine.It changes the character of the engine, making it more quick to rev, much more like the original R1 engine. It wont be as demon as that engine cos the fazer flywheel is heavier, but on the dyno, bhp outputs are very similar. :)
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I have found an 8 tooth sprocket on the rear is great too
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With an ivans slip on, I got an indicated 160 on the fazer. That was flat on the tank on the, er, M3, earlyish on a sunday. I got an indicated 172 on a 99 r1 on same stretch of road. Don't know what the true speed was, but i got an extra thrill out of the deserted road by closing my eyes and seeing how far I could count to on a full throttle in top. Got up to 6 one time, one thousand, two thousand, then I'd open my eyes and see how far I'd deviated off my line :) That was the ultimate adrenaline rush. The ptsd insanity was bad in those days. Wouldnt do it now. Well, I don't think I'd do it now, as that apparently indicates not caring whether you live or die according to my therapist ha ha ha!!!!!
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ps - I haven't tried any top speed antics on the 05 full montyed fazer, but did try for a fast run up to 4th gear. It started pulling so hard at 6k in third that I hadn't time to look at the speedo, as my stomach muscles got a work out just trying to hold on. Was very very similar to the way the r1 behaved.
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You could eat less pies?
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R1 has the better aerodynamics...weight aint that big an issue, its drag which is stopping the topspeed.
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Arguably the heavier bike may be more stable if set up right both will produce the required power but not neccessarily the ability or sufficient gears to use it
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I've had mine at the 270kmh mark on the speedo Not even tickling the limiter. I don't know what this would be using GPS but expect to knock a few miles off. Aerodynamics does play a big part as does riders stature - size, weight and wind conditions. Those that are able to tuck in nicely will get better top end. Raised pegs will help as does Ivan's fitted by Master Mike. If you've got onepeice leathers or even better Kevlar- nice and light, all this helps. I was wearing one piece leathers at the time and the weather was right. Pipe was a Blue Flame.
I recently weighed all the regular bike gear that I'd usualy wear on my daily commute when adjusting the sag on my bike recently and was stagard to see how heavy it was. Not good for doing quick speeds. It's got pockets, flappy belt bits, not realy figure hugging. Chances are you're wearing day clothing under that - more weight. Now look at a nice set of leathers and an Arai on a summer day. The leathers probabley weigh about the same as the textile gear but you're only wearing top and pants under the leathers. The leathers will help you cut through the air better. As does a tow behind Kosmic
:lol
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However if you have it pegged in your flappy clothing and high in the rev range...another gear would help
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Arguably the heavier bike may be more stable if set up right both will produce the required power but not neccessarily the ability or sufficient gears to use it
The R1 has more peak power than the Fazer thou which is why (coupled with better aero) it can reach a higher top speed. If I remember correctly the gearing on an R1 and FZ1 are the same but it's the higher redline on the R1 that gets the higher speeds....think it pushes onto 15,000 rpm vs 12,000.
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Had mine to an indicated 160 on The Slab which is a piece of road that does'nt actually exist and has nothing whatsoever to do with a certain stretch
of the M61 which just happens to have the same nickname, ok? :D
Thats with an Ivans slip on kit and a 14.5 stone bloke in full kit.And in that 6th gear thing :b
Thinking of going Full Monty soon, and why not? At the ripe young age of 47, I'm still chasing the rush, just do it!
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R1 fairing and prone riding position = better aeros = higher top speed.....
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Don't know what the true speed was, but i got an extra thrill out of the deserted road by closing my eyes and seeing how far I could count to on a full throttle in top. Got up to 6 one time, one thousand, two thousand, then I'd open my eyes and see how far I'd deviated off my line :) That was the ultimate adrenaline rush. The ptsd insanity was bad in those days. Wouldnt do it now. Well, I don't think I'd do it now, as that apparently indicates not caring whether you live or die according to my therapist ha ha ha!!!!!
:rollin :rollin :rollin Cheers Mick you have made me feel "fairly" normal with that statement. :lol I had my Fireblade flat out in top for a while & couldn't even bring myself to look at the speedo for long enough to focus on it! :eek
Seen 155 a few times on the Fazer but not had it nailed for long enough to say it was flat out. I would expect to see 160 for sure when I do.
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Hi all, took it out on sunday, hit 150 before i backed off and as i think about it i don't think i have nailed it long enough to achieve top speed. Have got it booked in for a dyno run on friday and am first on Mike's reserve list for the full monty in april. I will get on the dyno after to give me an accurate measure of the power gain. Which should be interesting. Will let you know the figures as i'm sure you are all as anal about those sort of things as i am. :eek
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Ha ha you said anal! :lol :rolleyes
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I'm not bothered with top speed tbh , its grunt off the throttle which is more important for most of my riding .This is where the full monty ivans really scores- midrange.That and acceleration up to around 140, which is the point at which most annoying cars get left behind ( the kids in hot hatch types)...
over that speed and in my book I let them get on with it, its just too fast for safety on most Uk roads these days.Plus I dont trust any other bike or car driver at such speed to have same skill as me and be able to handle such speed and apply suitable restraint when needed. My biggest fear is the following vehicle ploughs into me cos they have not seen a hazard and dont brake in time. I have followed hot cars at much lower speeds and seen them lose control on bends where they simply overcooked it through lack of skill/ over enthusiasm , and any one in front would have been history.My favourite moment is following a 3.2 golf at about 100 , and watching him drift out of control sidewards into a roundabout ...and also a big audi take a local roundabout at about 80 with no chance of stopping for anyone slowing down ahead.To be fair the car made it but heaven help any feccer in the way .... TBH some of the more powerful cars are best left to their own devices especially if driven by young drivers ( very rich dads)...stereotypically they have no regard for anyone but themselves. Hence why if someone comes up behind me on the road , these days I just let them get on with it .
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"these days I just let them get on with it ."
rather keep me licence
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Good points made there fellas and i do totally agree with your mind set.....most of the time, it's just every now and then :evil seems to get the better of me.
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Need to pick some brains, took my bike for a dyno run today and my thoughts were confirmed....98.8 bhp @ the rear wheel. Turns out it has the european restriction. Does anyone know how exactly it is restricted either carbs, cam, ecu or a combination of one or another ? Fair play to my local bike shop where i bought it who said if i can find out how it is restricted they will have it back in and sort it. Maybe an ivan's jet kit will make a difference but in my mind i feel i need to get it de-restricted first. Any feed back will be welcome.
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Need to pick some brains, took my bike for a dyno run today and my thoughts were confirmed....98.8 bhp @ the rear wheel. Turns out it has the european restriction. Does anyone know how exactly it is restricted either carbs, cam, ecu or a combination of one or another ? Fair play to my local bike shop where i bought it who said if i can find out how it is restricted they will have it back in and sort it. Maybe an ivan's jet kit will make a difference but in my mind i feel i need to get it de-restricted first. Any feed back will be welcome.
Hi Dazza
This would be best asked and answered in the thou corner :thumbup
Good luck
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Thanks for that looney, I will post it on there. :)