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Title: That's it... I give up!
Post by: risticuss on 21 April 2015, 05:25:48 pm
I only commute 5 miles a day, 10 minutes each way, and I've nearly been kicked off my bike once on my way in this morning,  and twice on my way home by drivers not opening their fucking eyes.
My wife has just given birth to our daughter 3 weeks ago and I just can't be bothered dealing with the useless fucktards on the roads anymore.
I'm fuming,  thinking that I'm going to be forced off the roads and the one thing I enjoy but I think I'm going to have to.
So... if anyone's in the market for a 2003, 28,000 mile, blue 600 Fazer, send me a pm.
Title: Re: That's it... I give up!
Post by: unfazed on 21 April 2015, 06:24:47 pm
That's a normal day for me  :lol
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Post by: darrsi on 21 April 2015, 06:59:21 pm
Do you wear a Hi-Viz jacket?
As I commute I have previously found that when I didn't wear Hi-Viz I almost became invisible.
There are some useless pricks on the road, and it appears to be getting worse, so it's of great importance to me to make myself as visible and audible as possible.


Proper Hi-Viz jacket, not the builders type, but a proper fitted jacket, reflective Arai stickers on my lid and fairing, reflective strip of tape around the top box, extra LED strips on side of fairing linked to indicators, beeping indicators, a very loud air horn, a Moto GP end can which is also very loud, and an LED tail light which has built in indicators as well as the original indicators. Oh, and double headlight mod.


All extra stuff to be seen and heard just that little bit more, but it certainly all helps on a daily basis if you're a commuter.


Don't let the bastards get you down, although I do appreciate it can be frustrating.
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Post by: fazersharp on 21 April 2015, 07:36:32 pm
I have taken to wearing a high vis during the winter months with that very low sun even with lights on its hard to be seen sometimes especially thanks to stupid EU now means all cars also have daylight running lights so I dont stand out so much as I used to with my lights (I dont commute by the way)
I have got a aldi high vis running top which is stretchy and fits a treat over my leather jacket, and the cuffs go over my leather cuffs and sit around my wrist so its easy to get my gloves on and off too, also the arms are high viz so not just a waistcoat

Bit like this
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Reflective-Ventilation-Fluorescent-Karrimor-Breathable/dp/B00H5KLF3O/ref=sr_1_40?s=sports&ie=UTF8&qid=1429641831&sr=1-40&keywords=Vis+Running+top (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Reflective-Ventilation-Fluorescent-Karrimor-Breathable/dp/B00H5KLF3O/ref=sr_1_40?s=sports&ie=UTF8&qid=1429641831&sr=1-40&keywords=Vis+Running+top)

Blimey - long link !
Title: Re: That's it... I give up!
Post by: risticuss on 21 April 2015, 07:49:51 pm
It's getting to be a normal one for me too. I literally have 5 roundabouts and 2 t-junctions to get to work and I feel I can never be visible enough. Defensive riding can only go so far. I'm just fed up with ignorant drivers.

I do wear a hi-viz, I was even wearing one when I was reversed into, and when I was pulled out on.
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Post by: sinto on 21 April 2015, 08:36:26 pm
I have taken to wearing a high vis during the winter months with that very low sun even with lights on its hard to be seen sometimes especially thanks to stupid EU now means all cars also have daylight running lights so I dont stand out so much as I used to with my lights (I dont commute by the way)
I have got a aldi high vis running top which is stretchy and fits a treat over my leather jacket, and the cuffs go over my leather cuffs and sit around my wrist so its easy to get my gloves on and off too, also the arms are high viz so not just a waistcoat


How do you find it works, breathable wise etc? I'm guessing if it gets wet with rain it'll just soak it up and isn't waterproof, that's fair enough but it's still got to 'breathe' I'm thinking as it's a running top
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Post by: darrsi on 21 April 2015, 08:54:10 pm
I use this one, i think there's only 2 sizes, midget or big.
But it's fully adjustable on the sides, and the thing i really like about it is that it doesn't flap about AT ALL, and is very well made and durable,and breathable.


http://www.moto24.co.uk/icon-motorcycle-vest-mil-spec-mesh-vest-yellow.html (http://www.moto24.co.uk/icon-motorcycle-vest-mil-spec-mesh-vest-yellow.html)


Better pictures here:


http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/ICON-MIL-SPEC-MESH-VEST-YELLOW-Military-Spec-High-Visibility-Fighter-Mesh-Motorcycle-Riding-Vest-FREE/100717_595414538.html (http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/ICON-MIL-SPEC-MESH-VEST-YELLOW-Military-Spec-High-Visibility-Fighter-Mesh-Motorcycle-Riding-Vest-FREE/100717_595414538.html)
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Post by: noggythenog on 21 April 2015, 09:09:31 pm
A real shame to hear this Risti :( ......my daughter is 14 weeks old & its strange how having a kid makes you worry more about them not having you around......but all that being said i think most bikers are also parents & it's probably a stage that we learn to get through & out the other side perhps just a little bit more mellow.


Sorry to all yous all year bikers...i dont mean offence....& arguably we should be switched on whilst driving any
Vehicle on the roads...but i think having to ride a bike every day when you have an off day or are feeling a bit under the weather or knackered or whatever....well its not ideal is it.


Risti you'll be knackered already with having the baby...perhaps you're so knackered that this is why these lunatics are getting to you more than usual....is there the option for you to just use a car until youve had more time to come back to earth a bit.


Seems a shame to can biking for good....why not just minimise the exposure by using the bike only for fun riding at weekends or summer time maybe.
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Post by: fazersharp on 21 April 2015, 09:39:23 pm
I have taken to wearing a high vis during the winter months with that very low sun even with lights on its hard to be seen sometimes especially thanks to stupid EU now means all cars also have daylight running lights so I dont stand out so much as I used to with my lights (I dont commute by the way)
I have got a aldi high vis running top which is stretchy and fits a treat over my leather jacket, and the cuffs go over my leather cuffs and sit around my wrist so its easy to get my gloves on and off too, also the arms are high viz so not just a waistcoat


How do you find it works, breathable wise etc? I'm guessing if it gets wet with rain it'll just soak it up and isn't waterproof, that's fair enough but it's still got to 'breathe' I'm thinking as it's a running top

Fing is that tis of no matter cause ive got me leathers under, which aint breathable, and just to recap its not the actual one in the picture but it looks just like it.
Also I dont do rain so that is not an issue either, but you can get the water proof ones
Title: Re: That's it... I give up!
Post by: fazersharp on 21 April 2015, 09:41:13 pm
Yep kids do bring on a new perspective on life for sure. BUT sometimes its BECAUSE of them that you are gonna wonna get out on the bike
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Post by: sinto on 21 April 2015, 09:42:36 pm
I agree with Noggy, take a wee break while you spend time with your new born and use the bike as a 'fun thing' on weekends or when you can get out.
Take into account by the time you've put on your kit for a 10 minute ride in the morning and home at night, you could actually get to work relaxed. And add to this your probably not doing your bike any good as it's not getting enough time to warm up etc.
I commute for only 10 miles to work, but I go for a run after work most days before I go home, admitted, I'm single and can do as I please, but I still go out at weekends too and that's where the enjoyment comes into its own.
Don't give up yet, put it on the back burner for now and spent the time with your family, that is time you will never get back, you'll always have the bike in the background, if you sell it you'll maybe regret it.
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Post by: Skippernick on 21 April 2015, 09:54:36 pm
Yep kids do bring on a new perspective on life for sure. BUT sometimes its BECAUSE of them that you are gonna wonna get out on the bike




 :agree
Title: Re: That's it... I give up!
Post by: darrsi on 22 April 2015, 07:02:43 am
I know you shouldn't be judgemental, but i was looking at a woman next to me yesterday morning driving her car in the opposite direction with kids in the back, we were all a bit congested trying to get in/out of a back road shortcut, and i thought to myself "I bet she's a really bad driver?"
At that point i saw her 'only' look right, then pull straight out into the path of another car coming from the left causing both to do emergency stops.  :look
Daily occurrence though, and now i've learned to try and be seen, keep your distance, don't take unnecessary chances and take your time. I'm in no major hurry to get to work anyway.
If you're a pedestrian who walks out in front of me though, which happens a lot near my work, you're gonna get an earful of air horn and me not stopping, 'cos that's just bad manners in my opinion, especially when they're extremely close to a proper crossing.  :grumble
 
Title: Re: That's it... I give up!
Post by: risticuss on 22 April 2015, 08:56:08 am
OK, so I've had time to sleep and calm down.


Darrsi, I normally wear a hi-viz jacket and only occasionally go out with out one on (and even then it's stashed under the seat) and find that around here, it makes next to no difference. I'm in Peterborough which is surrounded by 70mph dual carriageways with major roundabouts connecting them, and people just seem to be in such a rush to get onto and off the roundabouts that they just don't look long enough. Especially when at each entrance to said roundabouts there are bushes and shrubs, I think designed to obstruct the view onto them, making it more likely that drivers stop. Alas, they don't.


My bike has had the dual headlight mod done, and I even have white LED (stupid bright) sidelights fitted to give a contrast between the headlights and sidelights to make people think "Wait a minute, that looks weird". I use my bike for commuting and fun riding and really don't want to go adding truck loads of extra lighting to it and ruin the look of it. That and every time I then go to it I'll think that the lights are only on there to stop me dying, and it'll remove all the enjoyment.
Perhaps some subtly placed extra lighting, and louder exhaust, and a massive air horn  ;)


Noggy, you're not wrong about being tired, I was for the first two weeks I had off, but strangely I seem to be more awake this last week than before she arrived. I think though that I'm going to have a bit of time off from the bike, take the car to work and try to ignore the nice weather. The thing is that I'm not in the position of being able to have the bike for just fun or summer riding, as we could really do with getting a bigger car, considering all the extra stuff you need to take out with you and the massive German Sheppard which takes up the boot of our Focus. Plus, I think riding every day (or nearly every day) makes me more aware of traffic and less likely to get into trouble by only riding occasionally.


I'll give it a couple of weeks/a month and see how I feel. I love my bike and even if I sell it and get another in a few years, I'll probably regret selling this one, but I also need to have a proper think about it. I'll still be hanging round here though  :D
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Post by: Dead Eye on 22 April 2015, 10:38:19 am
Got to love the community here; instead of everyone jumping on a possible sale for their own benefit like vultures, the unanimous response has been to try and offer support and keep someone on their bike ^.^
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Post by: fazersharp on 22 April 2015, 10:58:24 am
Get rid of the dog
Title: Re: That's it... I give up!
Post by: darrsi on 22 April 2015, 11:05:06 am
Get rid of the dog

So close........
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Post by: fazersharp on 22 April 2015, 11:17:54 am
Forget a louder exhaust, the best thing is to what I have done with mine

 (http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=13795.0;attach=12920;image)
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Post by: darrsi on 22 April 2015, 11:30:21 am
Would be better if that was an electronic Gatling gun.  :evil
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Post by: maddog04 on 22 April 2015, 11:35:51 am
fazersharp....you're a genius....................a machine gun disguised as an exhaust :evil


if you're after a loud horn....I got one of these for the bandit......its a big old fella and you may have to root around to fit it but my mechanic got it tucked in just inside the nose fairing near the left fork

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Stebel-Nautilus-Compact-black-for-cars-and-motorcycles-extremely-loud-/291439231527?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item43db21c227 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Stebel-Nautilus-Compact-black-for-cars-and-motorcycles-extremely-loud-/291439231527?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item43db21c227)


ref the hi viz... I wear a builders waistcoat but I think the long sleeved ones offer better visibility as the "body" can be "lost" behind the screen whereas the sleeves tend to be noticeable due to your arms sticking out a bit more

having said all this.....I've had dozy cnuts pull out on roundabouts in front of our fire engine en route to a job.....two tones going/blues on/white flashing headlamps on.........sometimes you just gotta admit that no matter what you do.......there's always some clown who won't see you :'(

with others on this.....take a break, don't sell her yet

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Post by: maddog04 on 22 April 2015, 11:36:55 am
darssi, you stole the words outta my gob while I was typing, yer git
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Post by: darrsi on 22 April 2015, 12:37:47 pm
fazersharp....you're a genius....................a machine gun disguised as an exhaust :evil


if you're after a loud horn....I got one of these for the bandit......its a big old fella and you may have to root around to fit it but my mechanic got it tucked in just inside the nose fairing near the left fork

[url]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Stebel-Nautilus-Compact-black-for-cars-and-motorcycles-extremely-loud-/291439231527?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item43db21c227[/url] ([url]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Stebel-Nautilus-Compact-black-for-cars-and-motorcycles-extremely-loud-/291439231527?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item43db21c227[/url])


ref the hi viz... I wear a builders waistcoat but I think the long sleeved ones offer better visibility as the "body" can be "lost" behind the screen whereas the sleeves tend to be noticeable due to your arms sticking out a bit more

having said all this.....I've had dozy cnuts pull out on roundabouts in front of our fire engine en route to a job.....two tones going/blues on/white flashing headlamps on.........sometimes you just gotta admit that no matter what you do.......there's always some clown who won't see you :'(

with others on this.....take a break, don't sell her yet


That's exactly the same air horn I have, fitted under the left fairing infill, with a bit of jiggery pokery.
Worth every penny.  :thumbup
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Post by: fazersharp on 22 April 2015, 12:50:44 pm
Ive got the one down from that the magnum smaller but still louder than OEM
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Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 22 April 2015, 12:53:52 pm
Ive got the one down from that the magnum smaller but still louder than OEM

My OEM one sometimes works; when it hasn't fallen off somewhere  :lol
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Post by: slimwilly on 22 April 2015, 02:22:36 pm
Of course ride defencely,,,but also ride Aggressive, :eek,, get out there,headlights on,,plenty of revving,,look menacing,,stay out by the whirte line, not by the kerb,,be seen,,be seen to be menacing,,frighten the fucktards :lol :lol

oh and hob nail boots,,,so anyone who tries it gets a boot in the passenger door,,i did it once,,guy cut me up on a roundabout, I followed him to the next roundabout and went up the inside a "BOOT" in his door :lol :lol :lol :lol
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Post by: darrsi on 22 April 2015, 03:33:14 pm
There's a BLOKE who rides a bike around in summer a few miles from me, and he wears a skirt, blouse and a German army helmet for a lid.

He seems to get noticed, and people always stop as well, to look at him in amazement.  :eek :rollin :rollin :rollin
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Post by: fazersharp on 22 April 2015, 04:49:52 pm
feck---------------ive been spotted
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Post by: celticdog on 22 April 2015, 04:55:56 pm
How short's that skirt darrsi? :b  A skirt should be just like the ideal PowerPoint presentation, short enough to keep you interested yet long enough to cover the essentials . . . 
Anyway having a family is no reason to quit riding, I started my family a bit late in life, (mid 30's) and I've came back to biking as I want my kids to take the occasional risk in life and to see me as someone other than an old middle aged man which is what I am!
I commute daily and I've found that leaving a bit earlier makes all the difference to the amount of traffic on the road. Also, I tend to see the same cars and you get to know who the cnuts are and avoid them. Giving a driver a nod of the head or an occasional wave if they do me a favour or move in to let me by goes a long way, makes for a pleasant journey and they tend to let you in at junctions, etc. :rollin
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Post by: darrsi on 22 April 2015, 05:00:44 pm
How short's that skirt darrsi? :b  A skirt should be just like the ideal PowerPoint presentation, short enough to keep you interested yet long enough to cover the essentials . . . 
Anyway having a family is no reason to quit riding, I started my family a bit late in life, (mid 30's) and I've came back to biking as I want my kids to take the occasional risk in life and to see me as someone other than an old middle aged man which is what I am!
I commute daily and I've found that leaving a bit earlier makes all the difference to the amount of traffic on the road. Also, I tend to see the same cars and you get to know who the cnuts are and avoid them. Giving a driver a nod of the head or an occasional wave if they do me a favour or move in to let me by goes a long way, makes for a pleasant journey and they tend to let you in at junctions, etc. :rollin

I ain't talking about a young fella, apparently his grandkids call him 'Nandaddy'.  :lol
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Post by: noggythenog on 22 April 2015, 07:37:52 pm
Sounds like most of yous gave up years ago :lol




Anyway....i cant talk....ive done the grand sum of zilch miles this year so far...but i dont feel too bad about it.....i cant get 20 minutes to myself never mind a whole day of riding my bike....so ive fettled...& dismantled...destroyed stuff & spent a shit load on ebay....still bike stuff...still fun in a strange way...........actually i wonder whether it's worth me getting my bike on the road this year coz ill have to get tax,i surance & mot....for what....1000 miles that i might be lucky to grab hold of.


If im honest the bigget thing driving me to get my bike running this year is that i got a brand new Mottobat battery for it last year thats been used 1 season & been sat in the under stairs cupboard ever since & im so tight i cant bare to waste it by not using it soon incase it loses its charge :b


Risti you could sack riding for a wee bit but take apart the fazer bit by bit & service it all and grease & polish & stuff...gotta be better than just giving up biking hasnt it?
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Post by: risticuss on 22 April 2015, 08:26:35 pm
You're not wrong Noggy, I've considered stripping it down and servicing in fully. The downpipes could do with welding and painting,  and the engine needs a clean/degrease and repainting In parts.

Think I'm going to leave off for a bit and save up for a rear shock and the various bits that need doing. Already had new PR3's and chain and sprockets. It'll be a real shame to see it go.

Decided then. It stays for the time being.
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Post by: Skippernick on 22 April 2015, 09:13:29 pm
fazersharp....you're a genius....................a machine gun disguised as an exhaust :evil


if you're after a loud horn....I got one of these for the bandit......its a big old fella and you may have to root around to fit it but my mechanic got it tucked in just inside the nose fairing near the left fork

[url]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Stebel-Nautilus-Compact-black-for-cars-and-motorcycles-extremely-loud-/291439231527?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item43db21c227[/url] ([url]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Stebel-Nautilus-Compact-black-for-cars-and-motorcycles-extremely-loud-/291439231527?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item43db21c227[/url])


ref the hi viz... I wear a builders waistcoat but I think the long sleeved ones offer better visibility as the "body" can be "lost" behind the screen whereas the sleeves tend to be noticeable due to your arms sticking out a bit more

having said all this.....I've had dozy cnuts pull out on roundabouts in front of our fire engine en route to a job.....two tones going/blues on/white flashing headlamps on.........sometimes you just gotta admit that no matter what you do.......there's always some clown who won't see you :'(

with others on this.....take a break, don't sell her yet



I love you just bought one!
Title: Re: That's it... I give up!
Post by: Skippernick on 22 April 2015, 09:15:09 pm
fazersharp....you're a genius....................a machine gun disguised as an exhaust :evil


if you're after a loud horn....I got one of these for the bandit......its a big old fella and you may have to root around to fit it but my mechanic got it tucked in just inside the nose fairing near the left fork

[url]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Stebel-Nautilus-Compact-black-for-cars-and-motorcycles-extremely-loud-/291439231527?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item43db21c227[/url] ([url]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Stebel-Nautilus-Compact-black-for-cars-and-motorcycles-extremely-loud-/291439231527?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item43db21c227[/url])


ref the hi viz... I wear a builders waistcoat but I think the long sleeved ones offer better visibility as the "body" can be "lost" behind the screen whereas the sleeves tend to be noticeable due to your arms sticking out a bit more

having said all this.....I've had dozy cnuts pull out on roundabouts in front of our fire engine en route to a job.....two tones going/blues on/white flashing headlamps on.........sometimes you just gotta admit that no matter what you do.......there's always some clown who won't see you :'(

with others on this.....take a break, don't sell her yet


That's exactly the same air horn I have, fitted under the left fairing infill, with a bit of jiggery pokery.
Worth every penny.  :thumbup



Darrsi


when the time comes will you tell me how to wire this up.


Cheers Nick
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Post by: Frosties on 22 April 2015, 09:31:53 pm
risticuss......... may have found the solution to your problem fella  :lol
Title: Re: That's it... I give up!
Post by: unfazed on 22 April 2015, 10:10:19 pm
Risti, the side effect of having children is that you become far more aware of you own safety. I have 2 and even though they are now 24 and 30, I still worry about them.
If you look back over the past years the idiots trying to kill you were still there everyday, but you were more inclined to take it in you stride and not think about it to much. Suddenly how important your life is to a small child is takes over and all the dangers suddenly become much larger.

What woke me up to reality was coming on an accident in which 6 people including 2 children were killed in two cars stopped at a set of traffic lights in Dublin many years ago, a truck turning at the lights overturned and tipped its load onto them. The driver of the 3rd car suffered serious crush injuries.
These people would have considered themselves relatively safe in relatively safe surroundings and yet were wiped out in a split second.

It might be good to take a few weeks break if it is possible, but as to selling the bike I would say no.
We had a dilemma the month after the 9/11 disaster in; do we allow our eldest to go on the student exchange to the US or not. All the  parents met and the majority of parents allowed the kids to go including us. The reason was simple, what would we do if something happened to the school bus on the busy road to school when he should have been in the US, we would never forgive ourselves for not letting him go.
I had a serious bike crash in 2002 with a lorry and for 3 weeks after it was touch and go if I survived. 9 operations and 3 months later I left the hospital The thought of giving up the bike crossed my mind more than once yet the day I went back on it 6 weeks after coming out of hospital, I had 3 volunteers for the pillion seat.  :)

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Post by: darrsi on 23 April 2015, 06:31:11 am
Sounds like most of yous gave up years ago :lol




Anyway....i cant talk....ive done the grand sum of zilch miles this year so far...but i dont feel too bad about it.....i cant get 20 minutes to myself never mind a whole day of riding my bike....so ive fettled...& dismantled...destroyed stuff & spent a shit load on ebay....still bike stuff...still fun in a strange way...........actually i wonder whether it's worth me getting my bike on the road this year coz ill have to get tax,i surance & mot....for what....1000 miles that i might be lucky to grab hold of.


If im honest the bigget thing driving me to get my bike running this year is that i got a brand new Mottobat battery for it last year thats been used 1 season & been sat in the under stairs cupboard ever since & im so tight i cant bare to waste it by not using it soon incase it loses its charge :b


Risti you could sack riding for a wee bit but take apart the fazer bit by bit & service it all and grease & polish & stuff...gotta be better than just giving up biking hasnt it?


Trickle charge the battery every now and again, that's how they're designed to function anyway, being charged daily via the bike.
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Post by: darrsi on 23 April 2015, 06:31:47 am
You're not wrong Noggy, I've considered stripping it down and servicing in fully. The downpipes could do with welding and painting,  and the engine needs a clean/degrease and repainting In parts.

Think I'm going to leave off for a bit and save up for a rear shock and the various bits that need doing. Already had new PR3's and chain and sprockets. It'll be a real shame to see it go.

Decided then. It stays for the time being.


 :woot :thumbup
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Post by: darrsi on 23 April 2015, 06:43:32 am
fazersharp....you're a genius....................a machine gun disguised as an exhaust :evil


if you're after a loud horn....I got one of these for the bandit......its a big old fella and you may have to root around to fit it but my mechanic got it tucked in just inside the nose fairing near the left fork

[url]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Stebel-Nautilus-Compact-black-for-cars-and-motorcycles-extremely-loud-/291439231527?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item43db21c227[/url] ([url]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Stebel-Nautilus-Compact-black-for-cars-and-motorcycles-extremely-loud-/291439231527?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item43db21c227[/url])


ref the hi viz... I wear a builders waistcoat but I think the long sleeved ones offer better visibility as the "body" can be "lost" behind the screen whereas the sleeves tend to be noticeable due to your arms sticking out a bit more

having said all this.....I've had dozy cnuts pull out on roundabouts in front of our fire engine en route to a job.....two tones going/blues on/white flashing headlamps on.........sometimes you just gotta admit that no matter what you do.......there's always some clown who won't see you :'(

with others on this.....take a break, don't sell her yet


That's exactly the same air horn I have, fitted under the left fairing infill, with a bit of jiggery pokery.
Worth every penny.  :thumbup



Darrsi


when the time comes will you tell me how to wire this up.


Cheers Nick


Title: Re: That's it... I give up!
Post by: fazersharp on 23 April 2015, 09:01:41 am
That 2nd drawing is much easier to understand.
But my stebel magnum was a straight swap - no relay bu I just had to bend a peice of metal into a "L" shape bracket and used the origional horn mounting holes and it is all tucked under the fairing, not air horn loud but much louder than the OEM
Title: Re: That's it... I give up!
Post by: Arfa on 23 April 2015, 09:30:01 am
I kinda know where you're coming from. Got two kids myself (age 8 & 6) and I ride through East & Central London every day, and yes, it's a stressful ride at times. Admittedly I only started riding when the kids were toddlers and sleeping through the night, so not as bad as having a babbie. I'm going to echo most of the tips already said, but in my experience I found these help:

Don't ride after a sleepless night or when run down, you just make stupid mistakes and don't spot obvious things idiots are about to do. Take alternative transport or work from home if you can.

High viz certainly isn't going to make things worse. Although there are arguments for wearing as much solid colour as possible, rather than breaking silhouette into many coloured areas. I currently have a Fluro helmet which I think helps.

A loud air horn like the Nautilus really is useful. I use this a lot and really makes a difference!  Loud cans also really work too.

When I first began riding, I was always opting for too high a gear. Especially in heavy traffic ride in lower gears, keep revs in mid range: 4-8k odd. Then you make more noise so more noticeable and you've got more acceleration and engine braking on hand if you need it. 

Gear up. Wear as much blinking armour and protection as you can. Get decent waterproofs, layers, heated gear for the shit weather days. If you're cold or wet, your concentration lapses, which you can't afford to let happen.

Consider a helmet cam. So when you do have an incident, there's no messing about with liability, made up witness and other such shite that just causes on going stress for months, years afterwards.

I've no idea how much riding experience you have, but consider a BikeSafe or IAM course to bone up further on riding defensively and safely. It may not be super exciting, but it all helps and makes you think more about how you can possibly ride better.

Don't give up on the bike entirely, when you're little 'uns get a bit older then bike really helps get you around quick enough to work around childcare arrangements. It's only with my works flexi working hours and the bike that I can get to/from childcare in time to make it doable to have both of us working. Just wouldn't be possible via tube/car.
Title: Re: That's it... I give up!
Post by: fazersharp on 23 April 2015, 11:18:51 am
I read somewhere --- or dreamt it or am making it up, but because the yellow high viz is so common it gets "dialed out by the brain" as normal in the environment , but if you have a pink high vis the brain reconciles that as different and so registers it and gets seen better
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Post by: Grahamm on 23 April 2015, 11:26:14 am
I read somewhere --- or dreamt it or am making it up, but because the yellow high viz is so common it gets "dialed out by the brain" as normal in the environment , but if you have a pink high vis the brain reconciles that as different and so registers it and gets seen better

A couple of years ago I was riding whilst on holiday in Devon and a guy was wearing green hi-viz jacket and trousers whilst pruning a hedge on the side of the road.

It wasn't until he moved that I actually saw him because it was acting as camo!
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Post by: maddog04 on 23 April 2015, 11:33:53 am
think that's more urban myth due to the amount of hi viz about, but ask yourself this.........did you spot the roadies laying tarmac on a busy road or the cop with speed gun.......I bet the answer is yes because you saw the hi viz first.........just my two penny worth

advanced riders/drivers use the Police Roadcraft book and the system is called IPSGA
Information, position, speed, gear, acceleration

the info bit runs through each stage and this is the bit most riders/drivers aren't upto scratch with......you constantly take in and give out info (TUG>take use give) and once you switch onto this then you're riding skills will become better......in the advanced world, the word SUDDENLY doesn't exist

.......the car suddenly appeared.......TUG that car and you'll alter position accordingly long before you need to maybe slam on

get on Bike safe/IAM skills for life/RoSPA courses.......you won't look back ;)
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Post by: maddog04 on 23 April 2015, 11:36:44 am
green cammo and a hedge :'(


google "Looming" and "motion camouflage" to understand why we have Smidsy's
Title: Re: That's it... I give up!
Post by: bigralphie on 23 April 2015, 01:01:24 pm
Hi viz has its place failing light extra , but I will never be convinced it has any real benefit in daylight after being covered in the stuff while instructing and still having vehicles pull into my path  :o 
At worse some riders substitute it for good obs and position  :rolleyes
Title: Re: That's it... I give up!
Post by: darrsi on 23 April 2015, 01:43:35 pm
think that's more urban myth due to the amount of hi viz about, but ask yourself this.........did you spot the roadies laying tarmac on a busy road or the cop with speed gun.......I bet the answer is yes because you saw the hi viz first.........just my two penny worth

advanced riders/drivers use the Police Roadcraft book and the system is called IPSGA
Information, position, speed, gear, acceleration

the info bit runs through each stage and this is the bit most riders/drivers aren't upto scratch with......you constantly take in and give out info (TUG>take use give) and once you switch onto this then you're riding skills will become better......in the advanced world, the word SUDDENLY doesn't exist

.......the car suddenly appeared.......TUG that car and you'll alter position accordingly long before you need to maybe slam on

get on Bike safe/IAM skills for life/RoSPA courses.......you won't look back ;)


Missed the cops with the speed gun.....TWICE.....in the same place.  :'(
Title: Re: That's it... I give up!
Post by: HarryHornby on 23 April 2015, 02:29:25 pm
Hi Vis isn't always great, depends on the surroundings.....


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Title: Re: That's it... I give up!
Post by: Grahamm on 23 April 2015, 04:00:58 pm
Hi Vis isn't always great, depends on the surroundings.....

Yep, that's pretty much the sort of situation I described above!
Title: Re: That's it... I give up!
Post by: darrsi on 23 April 2015, 06:30:00 pm
Hi Vis isn't always great, depends on the surroundings.....

Yep, that's pretty much the sort of situation I described above!


Hence the reason pink is actually a colour that would generally show up well, unless you're anywhere near Katie Price's motors!
Title: Re: That's it... I give up!
Post by: Millietant on 23 April 2015, 08:25:35 pm
Don't give up, unless you are certain you'll have no regrets.

Liz and I both kept our bikes when the kids came along and were growing up.

As soon as they were able, we took them with us on rides (even two-week continental tours) and we got then off-road bikes.

When our youngest was 10 he did his first Nurburgring laps as my pillion - a lot of people said I was crazy (usually after we'd flown past them), but you can't wrap either yourself, or your kids in cotton wool and stop living.

Do I have regrets - not many - we managed to keep doing what we enjoyed and then found our kids enjoyed doing the same things.

My only advice would be to always and continuously, assess the risks and act accordingly. The benefit of what we did is that we now have kids (20yrs & 25yrs old) who love spending time with us and who ride/drive with us ( and not like lunatics). On bikes they know that the track is the only place to speed, and that the road is a place to be alert and wary.

Hopefully nothing bad ever happens to them (or us) - but they're the risks we take to "live", rather than just "survive".

Cool kids eh -   (Oh bugger, first two pics are massive scale,  don't know why !!)
(http://i42.tinypic.com/2zg4vw9.jpg)


(http://i43.tinypic.com/2sab1qh.jpg)


(http://i28.tinypic.com/33biv04.jpg)


(http://i47.tinypic.com/am3vyb.jpg)
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Post by: slimwilly on 23 April 2015, 09:07:29 pm
Millietant that's a great advert for biking,family biking, you do have to ride your luck in this world.

And you took them around the Nurberg ring,,wow,,what a boast at school.


Title: Re: That's it... I give up!
Post by: Millietant on 23 April 2015, 09:54:21 pm
Yep - gotta live ! Youngest absolutely loved the 'Ring but always wanted to go faster, even though we ran under 9 minute laps. Now he just wants to take his Fazer to the 'Ring. - hopefully this summer  :)


Life is full of risks - we've had plenty of shit happen in our lives, but loads of good stuff and all of the good came from taking some form of chance - but we always took as many precautions as we could for safety's sake.
Title: Re: That's it... I give up!
Post by: darrsi on 24 April 2015, 05:56:55 am
My brother passed his test actually on his 17th birthday and he had already HP'd a Honda CBX1000 himself as he'd been working a couple of years, so it was sitting at home for him when he returned.
He used to take me out on the back, and i was only 10 years old, and i couldn't get enough of it.
He then exchanged that for a Kawasaki Z1300 when he was 18 years old.
He raced them both over a quarter of a mile at Santa Pod as well.
Makes me shudder a little bit now bearing in mind they were both extreme lumps of a bike and he was still a kid himself, but it was different times back then, and way less traffic to worry about.
Happy days.  :)



Title: Re: That's it... I give up!
Post by: slimwilly on 24 April 2015, 06:46:39 am
Yep - gotta live ! Youngest absolutely loved the 'Ring but always wanted to go faster, even though we ran under 9 minute laps. Now he just wants to take his Fazer to the 'Ring. - hopefully this summer  :)


Life is full of risks - we've had plenty of shit happen in our lives, but loads of good stuff and all of the good came from taking some form of chance - but we always took as many precautions as we could for safety's sake.

9 minutes,,hell, I was about 12 /13 minutes,,being careful,,we are going again in four weeks,so will be studying my video of my first lap.

Anyway,,you bikers,,man up,get out and at um,, :)
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Post by: Arfa on 24 April 2015, 10:09:32 am
Life is full of risks - we've had plenty of shit happen in our lives, but loads of good stuff and all of the good came from taking some form of chance - but we always took as many precautions as we could for safety's sake.


Exactly!


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BvaXWcPIEAAYs3D.jpg)




"Nothing ventured, nothing gained."
Title: Re: That's it... I give up!
Post by: darrsi on 24 April 2015, 10:25:43 am
"Bonnet de douche...."  :lol
Title: Re: That's it... I give up!
Post by: Millietant on 25 April 2015, 09:11:17 am
Yep - gotta live ! Youngest absolutely loved the 'Ring but always wanted to go faster, even though we ran under 9 minute laps. Now he just wants to take his Fazer to the 'Ring. - hopefully this summer  :)


Life is full of risks - we've had plenty of shit happen in our lives, but loads of good stuff and all of the good came from taking some form of chance - but we always took as many precautions as we could for safety's sake.

9 minutes,,hell, I was about 12 /13 minutes,,being careful,,we are going again in four weeks,so will be studying my video of my first lap.

Anyway,,you bikers,,man up,get out and at um,, :)


If I could figure out how to get it uploaded, I've got a "no knees out, no braking" lap at 8.50 (had to make 5 quick dabs though) - that's a great exercise in riding safe and fast.
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Post by: Skippernick on 25 April 2015, 08:28:34 pm
fazersharp....you're a genius....................a machine gun disguised as an exhaust :evil


if you're after a loud horn....I got one of these for the bandit......its a big old fella and you may have to root around to fit it but my mechanic got it tucked in just inside the nose fairing near the left fork

[url]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Stebel-Nautilus-Compact-black-for-cars-and-motorcycles-extremely-loud-/291439231527?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item43db21c227[/url] ([url]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Stebel-Nautilus-Compact-black-for-cars-and-motorcycles-extremely-loud-/291439231527?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item43db21c227[/url])


ref the hi viz... I wear a builders waistcoat but I think the long sleeved ones offer better visibility as the "body" can be "lost" behind the screen whereas the sleeves tend to be noticeable due to your arms sticking out a bit more

having said all this.....I've had dozy cnuts pull out on roundabouts in front of our fire engine en route to a job.....two tones going/blues on/white flashing headlamps on.........sometimes you just gotta admit that no matter what you do.......there's always some clown who won't see you :'(

with others on this.....take a break, don't sell her yet


That's exactly the same air horn I have, fitted under the left fairing infill, with a bit of jiggery pokery.
Worth every penny.  :thumbup



Darrsi


when the time comes will you tell me how to wire this up.


Cheers Nick




Is that relay already in the system or do i need to buy one?
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Post by: darrsi on 25 April 2015, 08:47:13 pm
Mine came with the kit I think.
Was a long time ago.
Title: Re: That's it... I give up!
Post by: Skippernick on 25 April 2015, 10:48:21 pm
This one comes with an inline fuse not sure what rating yet.