Post by: imax on 06 April 2015, 05:47:55 pm
From today (6 April 2015) HGV's can now do 50mph on single carriageways and 60mph on dual carriageways. Be aware that a gap you may previously have pulled out in could be closing much faster than before.
Post by: ChristoT on 06 April 2015, 05:49:31 pm
Just a quick heads up for those that may not be aware.
From today (6 April 2015) HGV's can now do 50mph on single carriageways and 60mph on dual carriageways. Be aware that a gap you may previously have pulled out in could be closing much faster than before.
Wait, what? I thought that was what they were ALREADY limited to? What were the old values?
Post by: imax on 06 April 2015, 05:53:24 pm
Post by: ChristoT on 06 April 2015, 05:55:04 pm
It was previously 40 and 50mph. The change in law is supposed to prevent drivers making dangerous overtakes out of frustration and also to reflect the advances in braking technology.
Can't remember last seeing a lorry doing 50 on dual carriageways! :D
Good heads up though!
Post by: locksmith on 06 April 2015, 05:56:06 pm
Post by: richfzs on 06 April 2015, 08:43:02 pm
Post by: unfazed on 06 April 2015, 08:48:51 pm
It was previously 40 and 50mph. The change in law is supposed to prevent drivers making dangerous overtakes out of frustration and also to reflect the advances in braking technology.
Why don't they raise the limits for Bikes and cars by 10mph if this is the reasoning, strange logic :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes
Post by: chaz on 06 April 2015, 09:12:35 pm
Post by: sinto on 06 April 2015, 09:20:54 pm
Just a quick heads up for those that may not be aware.
From today (6 April 2015) HGV's can now do 50mph on single carriageways and 60mph on dual carriageways. Be aware that a gap you may previously have pulled out in could be closing much faster than before.
Where did you get this info imax?
I drive trucks for a living and it's never been discussed by anyone of authority, only thing we know for sure is that hgv vehicles can now do 50mph on the A9 stretch from Stirling to Inverness as they have introduced average speed cameras, all be it, they were only meant to be doing 50mph on dual carriageways anyhow
And also on that point, I only do 40mph while in my truck on single carriageway carriageways and 50 on dual but there are plenty that pass me, not all of them safe, come to think of it, they are all breaking the law if they do pass me as I'm at correct speed. :-P
Post by: chaz on 06 April 2015, 09:30:37 pm
https://www.gov.uk/speed-limits (https://www.gov.uk/speed-limits)
Post by: richfzs on 06 April 2015, 09:32:28 pm
Where did you get this info imax?
sinto607276 it's here
https://movingon.blog.gov.uk/reminder-hgv-speed-limit-changes-in-england-and-wales/ (https://movingon.blog.gov.uk/reminder-hgv-speed-limit-changes-in-england-and-wales/)
Post by: sinto on 06 April 2015, 09:32:45 pm
Law is different for us in Scotland, we still have to do 40 on single carriageways and 50 mph on dual carriageways, but in England and Wales the law has changed to 50mph and 60 mph respectfully.
So I bow my hat to you imax :-)
Post by: taylor on 06 April 2015, 09:38:58 pm
Post by: sinto on 06 April 2015, 09:45:35 pm
does that still mean I can still undertake in my van at 100. lol when they sit there eating yorkie bars, :rollinYes, but ONLY if they're eating Yorkie's!
I say that as I don't eat those lot
Post by: taylor on 06 April 2015, 09:48:53 pm
Post by: limax2 on 06 April 2015, 09:50:47 pm
Post by: sinto on 06 April 2015, 09:51:32 pm
Trucks have been limited to 50mph???????? Is that for real?
Trucks are restricted!
Post by: sinto on 06 April 2015, 09:53:33 pm
Trucks have been limited to 50mph???????? Is that for real?
Trucks are restricted!
But it's not a uniform restriction, depends on company etc, our company for example restrict them to 54, Tesco owned, (not Stobbarts) I think are about 52 but the law says 60!
Unless your a tipper driver then apparently they are immune to the law! And even worse if you're truck has Irish plates on it!
Sorry, was that a dig???
Post by: limax2 on 06 April 2015, 10:03:24 pm
Post by: sinto on 06 April 2015, 10:06:06 pm
It is a EU ruling for speed limiters and is 90 Kph, which is near enough 56 mph. Operators can choose a lower limit for their truck if they wish but 60 mph setting for the limiter would be breaking the law.So how come highway code and UK government say max speed for trucks is 60 on motorways and not 56?
It's not an EU ruling, it's a EU directive, meaning that's what they'd like the individual countries to aim for. It's much the same within my line of work, EU says one thing but UK law says another, I deliver dangerous goods and as long as we don't go outside of UK, we don't need to worry about the EU directives. It is a pain trying to remember all the foccin different rules though!
Post by: ChristoT on 06 April 2015, 11:20:12 pm
So how come highway code and UK government say max speed for trucks is 60 on motorways and not 56?
It's not an EU ruling, it's a EU directive, meaning that's what they'd like the individual countries to aim for. It's much the same within my line of work, EU says one thing but UK law says another, I deliver dangerous goods and as long as we don't go outside of UK, we don't need to worry about the EU directives. It is a pain trying to remember all the foccin different rules though!
Because the EU are dicks, and we'd be better rid of them (the political union, at least. The EC made sense, the EU was foist upon us).
Post by: sinto on 07 April 2015, 08:25:36 am
Because the EU are dicks, and we'd be better rid of them (the political union, at least. The EC made sense, the EU was foist upon us).
"here here" (in a sort of political sound) lol
Limax, I presume you drive a truck from your statements, from what I gathered from asking some police friends, yes, someone has them;-) anyway....they say, "if you are going faster than the speed limiter you are actually freewheeling and therefor not in control of the vehicle and could be charged with such if you are involved in an incident and deemed to have caused it by not being in control of your vehicle"
Post by: Dead Eye on 07 April 2015, 11:01:12 am
It was previously 40 and 50mph. The change in law is supposed to prevent drivers making dangerous overtakes out of frustration and also to reflect the advances in braking technology.
Why don't they raise the limits for Bikes and cars by 10mph if this is the reasoning, strange logic :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes
The idea is to decrease the speed difference of the vehicles, not increase it ;)
Post by: sinto on 07 April 2015, 11:26:38 am
The idea is to decrease the speed difference of the vehicles, not increase it ;)
+1
But it takes everyone to drive/ride at the actual speed limits for that to happen, and that won't happen I don't think :-P
Post by: fazersharp on 07 April 2015, 11:37:43 am
Post by: Dead Eye on 07 April 2015, 11:54:17 am
sinto is also right as realistically a lot of people exceed the speed limits. Realistically I still think its a good idea and there have been some good studies showing how increasing the speed limits on certain roads has reduced accidents. The biggest factor I do still think is the disparity between vehicle speeds. By reducing that, traffic can slow more evenly and it's easier to merge in to lanes for overtaking etc.
It drives me absolutely insane when muppets try to join a motorway at 30mph because they are scared and think that going slower is safer. NO. Just no. Floor it up the slip road to a good 60-70 so that you can merge with ease. Worst case scenario, the majority of us can stop much quicker than we can accelerate plus there is a hard shoulder...
Post by: fazersharp on 07 April 2015, 12:00:05 pm
It drives me absolutely insane when muppets try to join a motorway at 30mph because they are scared and think that going slower is safer. NO. Just no. Floor it up the slip road to a good 60-70 so that you can merge with ease. Worst case scenario, the majority of us can stop much quicker than we can accelerate plus there is a hard shoulder...
Agreed - thats the only time in my cage that I might display any road rage, when I am behind some one doing that because they are also putting me in danger because thanks to them I am now also trying to join 70mph traffic at 30 mph.
Post by: Robbie8666 on 07 April 2015, 01:45:21 pm
It drives me absolutely insane when muppets try to join a motorway at 30mph because they are scared and think that going slower is safer. NO. Just no. Floor it up the slip road to a good 60-70 so that you can merge with ease. Worst case scenario, the majority of us can stop much quicker than we can accelerate plus there is a hard shoulder...
most drivers forget the proper term for "slip roads" is actually Acceleration Lanes & De-acceleration lanes!! or it was when i last read a highway code!
Post by: ChristoT on 07 April 2015, 01:50:40 pm
It drives me absolutely insane when muppets try to join a motorway at 30mph because they are scared and think that going slower is safer. NO. Just no. Floor it up the slip road to a good 60-70 so that you can merge with ease. Worst case scenario, the majority of us can stop much quicker than we can accelerate plus there is a hard shoulder...
most drivers forget the proper term for "slip roads" is actually Acceleration Lanes & De-acceleration lanes!! or it was when i last read a highway code!
One of the nastiest slip roads I ever had to use was on the A14, the shortcut (from Cambridge) to get to work, just before Fenstanton. A 90 degree left off the carriageway with 30m (if that) of slip road. On, and no hard shoulder! Basically, you needed to get past the lorries, then find the biggest gap you could, to slow and GTFO of the oncoming lorries' way.
The only time joining when joining a motorway at 30mph is safe is when the traffic is doing 30 mph (a depressingly regular occurrence on the M25). You're matching traffic speed. I aim for 60 odd, to match lorry traffic speed if I need to slot in behind one. If all clear, I'm probably at cruise speed before even leaving the slip!
Post by: Dead Eye on 07 April 2015, 02:39:56 pm
It drives me absolutely insane when muppets try to join a motorway at 30mph because they are scared and think that going slower is safer. NO. Just no. Floor it up the slip road to a good 60-70 so that you can merge with ease. Worst case scenario, the majority of us can stop much quicker than we can accelerate plus there is a hard shoulder...
Agreed - thats the only time in my cage that I might display any road rage, when I am behind some one doing that because they are also putting me in danger because thanks to them I am now also trying to join 70mph traffic at 30 mph.
Precisely the same reasoning for me. I try my best to hang back and build up a gap so that I can try and join at a more favourable speed - exception to this is when I have traffic behind me also. For the most part I rarely find this an issue when I'm on the bike, it's mostly when I'm in the car as the bike has far superior acceleration (as we all know)
Post by: sinto on 07 April 2015, 09:04:58 pm
Mind you, is that not what it says in the highway code? lol
Post by: limax2 on 07 April 2015, 09:42:49 pm
Limax, I presume you drive a truck from your statements, from what I gathered from asking some police friends, yes, someone has them;-) anyway....they say, "if you are going faster than the speed limiter you are actually freewheeling and therefor not in control of the vehicle and could be charged with such if you are involved in an incident and deemed to have caused it by not being in control of your vehicle"My days of driving trucks are long gone, now enjoying the freedom of retirement :D . I have for short spells driven trucks for a living but in the eighties i was heavily involved on the design and subsequent testing of speed limiters on HGV's. You are right to say it was an "EU directive" rather than a "Ruling", but from what I remember if we didn't have them fitted by a certain date we wouldn't be able to sell any more vehicles over 7.5 tonnes in the UK and possibly the rest of the EU. (Probably a few exceptions like fire trucks). The speed limiter only cut the engine power at the set speed, so on a down hill you could exceed the speed limit on the over-run as opposed to freewheeling. i.e. still in gear and in control but exceeding the speed limit. Of course you still had a foot brake or exhaust brake etc. to stay within the legal limit. I do miss the view you get from a truck and it still annoys me when I hear people moan about all the HGV's on the road, but don't stop to think how the super markets etc. get supplied.
Much nicer on an unrestricted motorbike of course, but not much use for shifting many tons of cargo ;) .
Post by: sinto on 07 April 2015, 09:50:49 pm
Post by: ChristoT on 07 April 2015, 10:00:03 pm
Post by: sinto on 07 April 2015, 10:07:59 pm
Pah! Amateurs! :lol :lolQuite like that trailer idea Christo, is it for sale? I could get a lot of easter eggs in that for Yorkhill Childrens Charity
Post by: ChristoT on 07 April 2015, 10:16:20 pm
Custom made! 1 careful owner! Etc etc! £250, and it's yours.
You can tow any small car trailer behind it without modification. Max you can carry with a Fazer is 150kg (including the trailer), max permissible length from the rear axle is 2.5m. No width restrictions I could find.
https://www.gov.uk/towing-with-motorcycle (https://www.gov.uk/towing-with-motorcycle)
Post by: sinto on 07 April 2015, 11:03:06 pm
The trailer isn't, the towbar is! :lolHa ha And you use the word 'careful'?
Custom made! 1 careful owner! Etc etc! £250, and it's yours.
Curious how it's connected though.
I'm looking for a trailer to put the bike on for when I work away, means I can take the bike and go runs at night when I'm in different places
Post by: ChristoT on 07 April 2015, 11:04:55 pm
The trailer isn't, the towbar is! :lolLooking for a trailer to put the bike on for when I work away, means I can take the bike and go runs at night when I'm in different places
Custom made! 1 careful owner! Etc etc! £250, and it's yours.
Ebay, my friend. ;)
Post by: sinto on 07 April 2015, 11:42:05 pm
Post by: limax2 on 08 April 2015, 08:18:24 am
I'm not to sure on your not loading a motorbike so much.....lolHa ha, those pictures make my own efforts at loading look puny :\ .
Post by: sinto on 08 April 2015, 08:25:33 am
I'm sure you could start a new thread of "how much can you get on your fazer?"
Btw, nice clean bike
Can you tell me about your indicators please?
Cheers
Post by: limax2 on 08 April 2015, 09:13:50 am
P.S. Bike is clean because I was just setting off, not so clean when I got back. :( [size=78%] [/size]
Post by: sinto on 08 April 2015, 12:05:04 pm
I'll need to track that sort down, have only seen small led type and they're too wee for the hole and you need resistors for them, too much hassle but I would do the same as you and secure them properly :-) did you do the same on the back?
Post by: ChristoT on 08 April 2015, 12:32:12 pm
That's exactly the type I'm looking for :-)
I'll need to track that sort down, have only seen small led type and they're too wee for the hole and you need resistors for them, too much hassle but I would do the same as you and secure them properly :-) did you do the same on the back?
Damn, I'm good. ;)
http://www.mandp.co.uk/productinfo/562040/Bodywork/Indicators/Bike-It (http://www.mandp.co.uk/productinfo/562040/Bodywork/Indicators/Bike-It)
Post by: limax2 on 08 April 2015, 03:43:13 pm
Well done christoT, they look like the ones. Although it doesn't say how big they are and you can't tell from the picture, they could be smaller ones.
I had a feeling you would pop-up once load carrying was mentioned :lol .
That's exactly the type I'm looking for :-)I've not done the same on the back. Because of my panniers and home made mounting frame I relocated the winkers further back in some home made plates attached to the rack support. Also used the standard front winkers at the back, or it might have been just the shorter spacers I fitted. Shown in these photo's.
I'll need to track that sort down, have only seen small led type and they're too wee for the hole and you need resistors for them, too much hassle but I would do the same as you and secure them properly :-) did you do the same on the back?
Post by: ChristoT on 08 April 2015, 05:30:31 pm
Post by: unfazed on 08 April 2015, 05:49:09 pm
This is exactly what my bike looked before I unloaded when I arrived home after spending 2 weeks in Southern France with my wife as pillion. The top box had rain gear, wine and pressies for the family. :) Camera was in the tank bag with toiletries and other bits required in a hurry, all the rest was in the panniers.
Mine usual packing is 4 pairs of socks 4 pairs of jocks and 3 of everything else I require (except the wife). Moto is travel light and wash one wear the other :lol and one spare
This is from years of mountaineering and having to carry stuff on you back. The only extra I have ever strapped to the bike is a tent.
Once rode a friends FJR1300 with my wife pillion back from Malaga, with no top box and no panniers. We flew down from Cork with all our gear and just 2 extendable tank bags and took a week to return to Roscoff :)
Post by: sinto on 08 April 2015, 08:21:16 pm
Post by: sinto on 08 April 2015, 08:43:00 pm
Damn, I'm good. ;)
[url]http://www.mandp.co.uk/productinfo/562040/Bodywork/Indicators/Bike-It[/url] ([url]http://www.mandp.co.uk/productinfo/562040/Bodywork/Indicators/Bike-It[/url])
Yes as always Christo,
think I'll look for standard bulbs but in the same design, maybe slightly smaller ones for the rear, I can't be doing all the resistance stuff for them lol
Got an Oxford catalogue today, they don't even do flush mounted indicators at all!
Post by: limax2 on 08 April 2015, 08:45:11 pm
Post by: unfazed on 08 April 2015, 09:05:50 pm
Post by: sinto on 08 April 2015, 09:14:07 pm
Ye, go for it. (the new thread). Could be interesting and with some good ideas to copy. :)Ok, you'll need to repost your original pics etc
Post by: BBROWN1664 on 13 April 2015, 02:19:54 pm
My transit van is only allowed to do 50mph on a single, 60mph on a dual where as my dads transit van based camper van is allowed to go the same speed as my car (60 on a single and 70 on a dual). Where is the logic in that????
Post by: sinto on 13 April 2015, 02:37:18 pm
Not sure they are increases or not.
My transit van is only allowed to do 50mph on a single, 60mph on a dual where as my dads transit van based camper van is allowed to go the same speed as my car (60 on a single and 70 on a dual). Where is the logic in that????
You never mentioned the colour of your van, if it's white, it should be restricted a lot more :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Post by: BBROWN1664 on 13 April 2015, 03:12:26 pm
Post by: sinto on 13 April 2015, 03:57:57 pm
Hee hee
Post by: taylor on 13 April 2015, 08:14:03 pm