Post by: helloindustries on 01 February 2015, 12:06:16 am
The FZS 600 has been good, but that it doesn't have the standard front fairing (crashed before i got it) is a big problem for me now that i'm going to have to commute about 30-ish miles a day, and maybe more for work. Potentially hundreds of miles.
I need a bike with more power, tank range, and absolutely more wind protection (severe tinnitus/hearing damage).
I have a number of bikes on the list of potentials for less than £3000, and i thought i'd come here to discuss a Fazer with you all.
Those of you who do some reasonable miles quite frequently: How do you feel about the standard screen? Is it enough to smooth the flow of air to stop head buffeting and wind noise? Have you opted for a shorter or taller screen? How has that worked out for you?
For reference: I'm 5ft 11.
I've read this topic (http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php?topic=3261.0), but looking for more feedback on the specifics above.
I'll also be going for some side/lower fairing to smooth the look, maybe a HID kit, crash bungs, better seat, bar risers etc.
I essentially need a sports tourer, and the FZS1000 is a LOT of bang for the buck.
Other bikes on the list of consideration are: VFR800 & VTEC, CBF1000, CB1100XX.
I *was* hoping to get away from an inline 4 to something with a meatier engine note, but i can't ignore what the FZS1000 has to offer, and frankly; In my budget range; Most bikes aren't hugely more powerful than my FZS600, which was a surprise. Specifically the CBF1000 which is amazingly comfortable and has excellent wind protection. But it's only VERY slightly more powerful.
Post by: Tmation on 01 February 2015, 03:09:31 am
You will be buying at least a 10 year old bike so condition/wear and tear is everything. suspension if fairy easy and cheaply upgraded and make sure it has or fit an ivans jet kit (loads of info on here use search)
The biggest weak point for many is the screen, getting the balance right for either no wind pressure on chest to wind noise/buffeting around head is very subjective and a personal thing as everyone is a different build/wears different kit, the main problem i think is the fairing is a fair way from the rider .
You can get a big touring screen form the USA, lots of choice but this make is supposed to be very good [size=78%]http://www.madstad.com/s.nl/sc.7/category.843/.f (http://www.madstad.com/s.nl/sc.7/category.843/.f)[/size] BikeHPS sell them in the UK at around £220.
Good luck.
Post by: stevierst on 01 February 2015, 05:53:17 am
I currently use a Thundercat, and its fantastic, but I've got to carry luggage every day, and just want something a bit torqueyer for the instant overtake where I don't have to scream the cookies off it!
I'm currently looking at the following.
Fazer thou gen I (worst wind protection bit ballistic and frugal)
Tiger 1050 (very noisy screen but oh so comfy)
Sprint st 1050 ('that engine', comfy, economy)
FJR 1300 (comfy, frugal, torquey, big screen)
I've discarded Honda's because I just don't like them. (vfr/b'bird a bit old hat) (Cbf too boring)
Worth a look!
Post by: slimwilly on 01 February 2015, 06:46:24 am
Post by: Falcon 269 on 01 February 2015, 07:03:42 am
Specifically the CBF1000 which is amazingly comfortable and has excellent wind protection. But it's only VERY slightly more powerful.
Peak power doesn't come into it, if all you want this bike for is 30 miles of routine motorway droning. The CBF1000F is very torquey low down (much more than a Fazer 1000) and you've already identified its comfort and wind protection.
Much as I love the Fazer 1000 as an all-rounder, the CBF1000F is a way better choice in this specific instance.
Post by: kitcrazy on 01 February 2015, 09:36:00 am
Post by: nickodemon on 01 February 2015, 10:50:28 am
Post by: helloindustries on 01 February 2015, 01:45:18 pm
VFR/Blackbird - I'd probably go for the VFR as it's both cheaper, lighter by 20kg and has a more characterful engine. Would rather have a VTEC model as i prefer the styling and underslung end cans. Though i'm told the older one has the more soulful engine with gear driven cams. Big advantage of the older VFR is that they're well within budget, and there are plenty with less than 40k miles and in good condition.
CBF1000 - Well, at least 30 miles a day, probably more in the near future - as in: hundreds of miles in a given day. Plus weekend fun rides.
But really; My 600 is plenty fast enough, and has more than enough everywhere else in acceleration and power, so that the CBF is only slightly better in most regards is kind of neither here nor there, but yeah; Comfort is vastly better and the wind protection is where it's at. I could probably do with a less 'interesting' bike, because i do tend to ... utilise.. the 600's capabilities were it might not be most appropriate. Add to that, the CBF would give me more road presence as it's a larger bike. I don't think it'd make filtering all that harder.
FJR - I had a look: WAY out of budget, quite heavy, but seems like a great bike. Maybe i'll get one some day when i have more cash and want to do an extended trip of thousands of miles.
FZS1000 touring screen - Seems like a good idea, but i can't see how it's so expensive, especially when you add import tax.
Post by: Tmation on 01 February 2015, 02:18:43 pm
I just added the main website so you could read all about the theory etc.
Post by: helloindustries on 01 February 2015, 02:39:36 pm
You don't need to add import duty for the screen as you can buy it in the UK here [url]http://www.bikehps.com/acatalog/Madstad_Screens_and_Brackets_for_Yamaha_FZS1000_FZ1_Fazer_2001-2005.html[/url] ([url]http://www.bikehps.com/acatalog/Madstad_Screens_and_Brackets_for_Yamaha_FZS1000_FZ1_Fazer_2001-2005.html[/url])
I just added the main website so you could read all about the theory etc.
Thanks.
If i get a fazer 1000, i think what i might do before spending such a crazy amount on a screen, is; Get some 10 to 20mm spacers and longer bolts/screws, to see if that helps. Maybe with a more reasonably priced aftermarket screen.
Post by: Tmation on 01 February 2015, 05:42:45 pm
Have you done a search on here? loads of different options including fitting Gen2 (FZ1) touring screen etc.
Also check out [size=78%]http://www.cartestsoftware.com/fz1/ (http://www.cartestsoftware.com/fz1/)[/size] and more specifically http://www.cartestsoftware.com/fz1/windscreentests.html (http://www.cartestsoftware.com/fz1/windscreentests.html) for ideas.
Post by: helloindustries on 01 February 2015, 06:07:57 pm
Don't forget it is a full touring screen with base plate and adjustable brackets, not a £50 double bubble, check out the price of full touring screens for BWM and triumph etc.
Have you done a search on here? loads of different options including fitting Gen2 (FZ1) touring screen etc.
Also check out [size=78%]http://www.cartestsoftware.com/fz1/ ([url]http://www.cartestsoftware.com/fz1/[/url])[/size] and more specifically [url]http://www.cartestsoftware.com/fz1/windscreentests.html[/url] ([url]http://www.cartestsoftware.com/fz1/windscreentests.html[/url]) for ideas.
Based on that review of those screens, i'm tempted to get a shorter screen (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/YAMAHA-FZS1000-FAZER-1000-01-05-GENUINE-STREETFIGHTER-DARK-SCREEN-WINDSHIELD-NEW-/111516520227) to keep turbulence as far from my head as possible.
The final goal here is to have smooth/est airflow around the head so that my hearing isn't destroyed.
Post by: unfazed on 01 February 2015, 06:39:40 pm
Post by: noggythenog on 01 February 2015, 06:48:37 pm
Ive got an MRA adjustable screen on my gen2 and it is pants........raising the second screen thingy only makes it worse and actually ducking behind the scren also makes it worse strangely......forget sceens and buy the most sound oroof helmet you can get thats my advice.
Post by: helloindustries on 01 February 2015, 06:55:37 pm
I have Severe Tinnitus and Hyperacusis.
As for helmet: Currently have a HJC Symax 3, but will be upgrading to a HJC RPHA Max Evo in the near future, which has reviewed very well for noise reduction.
I'd go for a standard full-face over a modular, but i have issues with Claustrophobia.
Looking like i'd be going for the streetfighter screen (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/YAMAHA-FZS1000-FAZER-1000-01-05-GENUINE-STREETFIGHTER-DARK-SCREEN-WINDSHIELD-NEW-/111516520227) if i were to get a whole litre of Fazer. I'd rather have the wind on my chest than around my head. And at least my chest can't go deaf...
Post by: unfazed on 01 February 2015, 07:17:30 pm
I usually wear diving type ear plugs which have different inserts and find them excellent.
I fitted a MRA spoiler screen to the Fazer recently and today was the first day I had it out for a hi speed blast and it had less buffeting and wind noise which surprised me than the original even though it is shorter, but then I am only 5'9".
Post by: helloindustries on 01 February 2015, 07:30:42 pm
Why not get a set of ear plugs custom made to suit your needs.
I usually wear diving type ear plugs which have different inserts and find them excellent.
I fitted a MRA spoiler screen to the Fazer recently and today was the first day I had it out for a hi speed blast and it had less buffeting and wind noise which surprised me than the original even though it is shorter, but then I am only 5'9".
Hadn't thought of diving plugs. I'll check those out.
Post by: AyJay on 01 February 2015, 07:57:17 pm
If you're doing 20 or 30k miles per year, the most important consideration after mpg is servicing and the FZS is easy enough for most home mechanics bar the valve clearances, but they seem to need adjusting very infrequently which is good. Take a good look at how much servicing something like a VFR would cost - they're a bugger to work on and consequently expensive to service.
Apart from that, the longevity of FZS1000s is extraordinary. I've just hit 132,754 miles and I've only just had to replace the discs and suspension bushes. All my Hondas and Kawaksakis needed these doing at less than 50k miles. This also keeps the cost down. Many parts are interchangeable with other Yamaha models too - discs, calipers etc so there's plenty out there. The only things you might find hard to get second hand are fairing inserts, rear calipers and the downpipes.
Post by: helloindustries on 01 February 2015, 08:15:33 pm
I commute 120 miles a day on my FZS. I have the Yamaha touring screen which is a good compromise for me (I'm 6'1"), but you will probably have to try a few before finding one that suits. Being naked, your legs get colder than the with a full fairing, but apart from that, it's superb for commuting - loads of roll on power at motorway speeds but narrow handlebars and flick up mirrors means it's really quick through traffic, something which can't be said of massive trailies like GS1200s and Triumph Tigers.
If you're doing 20 or 30k miles per year, the most important consideration after mpg is servicing and the FZS is easy enough for most home mechanics bar the valve clearances, but they seem to need adjusting very infrequently which is good. Take a good look at how much servicing something like a VFR would cost - they're a bugger to work on and consequently expensive to service.
Apart from that, the longevity of FZS1000s is extraordinary. I've just hit 132,754 miles and I've only just had to replace the discs and suspension bushes. All my Hondas and Kawaksakis needed these doing at less than 50k miles. This also keeps the cost down. Many parts are interchangeable with other Yamaha models too - discs, calipers etc so there's plenty out there. The only things you might find hard to get second hand are fairing inserts, rear calipers and the downpipes.
Wind and cold? Used to that. I have a FZS600 (1998) with no fairing. None. It was crashed before i bought it. This is my front end (http://imgur.com/wSFWqUV).
Fully used to getting wind on the legs etc, and it's been.. Tolerable... through this winter with thermal liners in.
I'd be getting the lower side fairings and a belly pan on the bike pretty soonish, as i think it looks a lot better with compared to without. Crash bungs, HID kit, Pilot Road 4's etc... Maybe some luggage eventually.
I'd also eventually look at refitting the front end with uprated forks, the rear with an uprated shock - If i felt it needed it for my preferences.
If it's much like the FZS600; It'll do me just fine for performance. And it'll have the poke to handle long stretches of motorway.
I'm not one to speed (deliberately) so i doubt i'll be hitting 80+ or revving the balls off it. I also know i'll appreciate the extra low-down pull and improved tank rage. Especially considering mine was lowered due to some vandalism and a big dent in my tank. I'm lucky to get 100 to the tank.
So far; the FZS1000 is looking much more suitable now that i've looked into screens and got some feedback about wind noise on here. It's certainly the most bike for the money.
Post by: paul1606 on 01 February 2015, 08:20:21 pm
Post by: helloindustries on 01 February 2015, 08:24:22 pm
Get to the for sale section one there with all your needs :thumbup & well within your price range
Well, if it's still available when the time comes for me to buy, i'll be putting that particular one right at the top of the list.
Sadly; Buying time might end up being very early June as i'm trying to avoid finance, need to start current job (still waiting on a start date), need to save up some, and June is insurance renewal time.
I fully expect it to be gone by then, but i'll be sure to look.
Post by: Millietant on 01 February 2015, 08:37:05 pm
With the Yamaha "high" screen (not very high at all, but effective) and a set of fairing lowers, the Fazer 1000 has been perfect for over 10 years now - being used as a tourer (around Europe a number of times), a track bike (including the Nordschleife/Nurburgring), a commuter and a work bike (when she was a bike instructor).
It's been totally reliable, runs over 200 miles per tank of fuel and has very long valve check intervals. With regular servicing I doubt anything would ever break - only wear out with old age.
Im sure the CB1000f is a great bike too, but for your budget, I'd say the Gen 1 Fazer will get you the best bike for the money (the Triumphs are also on the expensive side, for decent ones).
2 Pictures below show (Yamaha official "high" !!) screen and fairing lowers (which give surprisingly good weather protection).
(http://i28.tinypic.com/2605nxx.jpg)
(http://i50.tinypic.com/5k1udl.jpg)
Post by: helloindustries on 01 February 2015, 08:49:23 pm
This is some good feedback/convincing.
The Fazer thousand is right at the top of my list now.
Post by: stevierst on 01 February 2015, 10:07:45 pm
Post by: helloindustries on 01 February 2015, 11:37:47 pm
Certainly a cheaper option, and perhaps a good stop-gap solution.
Would require some welding of mounts to the frame, however.
Possibly also best to go for the foxeye rather than the boxeye it came with.
Now to try and source parts and get a price...
Post by: JoeRock on 02 February 2015, 12:00:02 pm
Very similar to a 1050 really - just doesn't have a centre stand, and can't take hard panniers as standard!
Big tank, comfy position, decent fairing. Seat a little hard, but I can do 150 odd miles quite easily before a bit of numb bum sets in!
Much better engine, brakes and suspension.
Only thing it does really lose out on is pillion comfort, it's generally a bit old school now, and valve clearances are quite frequent - although after about 30k miles you can start alternating them if you're not riding hard as they stop wearing in
Post by: helloindustries on 02 February 2015, 08:01:47 pm
Considered a ZX-9R?
Very similar to a 1050 really - just doesn't have a centre stand, and can't take hard panniers as standard!
Big tank, comfy position, decent fairing. Seat a little hard, but I can do 150 odd miles quite easily before a bit of numb bum sets in!
Much better engine, brakes and suspension.
Only thing it does really lose out on is pillion comfort, it's generally a bit old school now, and valve clearances are quite frequent - although after about 30k miles you can start alternating them if you're not riding hard as they stop wearing in
That riding position REALLY puts me off. I can't manage sporty bars, bad wrists and back. I need something fairly upright.
Post by: JoeRock on 02 February 2015, 08:04:21 pm
Considered a ZX-9R?
Very similar to a 1050 really - just doesn't have a centre stand, and can't take hard panniers as standard!
Big tank, comfy position, decent fairing. Seat a little hard, but I can do 150 odd miles quite easily before a bit of numb bum sets in!
Much better engine, brakes and suspension.
Only thing it does really lose out on is pillion comfort, it's generally a bit old school now, and valve clearances are quite frequent - although after about 30k miles you can start alternating them if you're not riding hard as they stop wearing in
That riding position REALLY puts me off. I can't manage sporty bars, bad wrists and back. I need something fairly upright.
You'd probably best not look at the VFR, Blackbird or 1050 either then fella - unless you budget for bar risers?
Post by: unfazed on 02 February 2015, 08:05:45 pm
Post by: helloindustries on 02 February 2015, 08:07:52 pm
Risers: yep. Those are generally a thing i use.
Post by: Mick-H on 03 February 2015, 09:28:10 am
Maybe a Transalp, TDM or similar would do the job and offer a little more weather protection, just a thought.
Post by: Ianboydsnr on 03 February 2015, 03:06:40 pm
Do you actually need more power than a 600 if your going to be using the bike mostly for commuting?
Maybe a Transalp, TDM or similar would do the job and offer a little more weather protection, just a thought.
what you probably mean is more torque!
I would suggest a TDM, or a Breva 1100 with a screen and hand guards from the stelvio,
actually a Breva is a great choice, with huge amount of torque, comfort and interesting to ride at any speed!
Post by: nickodemon on 03 February 2015, 04:01:11 pm
Post by: stevierst on 03 February 2015, 04:13:50 pm
Post by: positron on 03 February 2015, 04:48:23 pm
My commute is kinda same - approximately 50 miles each way, all year and I too would like something bigger, more powerful, more fun etc - but I can't find any other bike that will do it all as well as the Fazer while being so cheap to run & easy to fix.
Schuberth helmet, best ever.
Ive got an MRA adjustable screen on my gen2 and it is pants........raising the second screen thingy only makes it worse and actually ducking behind the scren also makes it worse strangely......forget sceens and buy the most sound oroof helmet you can get thats my advice.
+1. The MRA screen on Fazer + cheap Nitro helmet gave me a lot of hassle. I started hearing stuff (tinnitus) when I try to sleep and it was starting to really annoy me. I switched to Schuberth, and later on had to change the screen (it broke) to a cheap double bubble off eBay (which looks microscopic compared to MRA), and Howard Leight earplus every single time - and now I am completely converted and I would never compromise on helmet (good fit & aerodynamic = less drag, less turbulance and less noise) and good ear plugs. Screen is useful if it's a giant thing, if not, it should at least not be at that awkward height that it makes turbulent air around your helmet.
Post by: helloindustries on 03 February 2015, 06:19:08 pm
- Get the nose fairing etc back on the bike with a low screen so it hits my chest and avoids my head (still looking for that stuff... some places want over £300... not a chance)
- Get a better helmet (HJC RPHA Max evo reviewed VERY well for noise reduction, and is in my price range)
Once i've settled into the new job, i can start saving for a better bike. FZS1000 is winning currently. But with more savings i can buy maybe a better bike. The rebuild of the front should sort me out for the foreseeable future.
Post by: slimwilly on 03 February 2015, 06:46:24 pm
But if not raining it is kept in the low position,much quieter then.
So my advice is smart low screen and good waterproofs,neck tube and helmet.
Here is my gen2 and Nicks gen1 ,both quite low screens.
nick drive |
I have a bute of a low screen now,looks good too.
Post by: slimwilly on 03 February 2015, 06:57:36 pm
Post by: PaulSmith on 04 February 2015, 01:54:30 pm
Post by: AyJay on 04 February 2015, 08:15:22 pm
And again, what about the running costs? I'd hazard a guess that FZS1000s are the cheapest high performance bike you can run but how many miles would you expect to be on a £3000 Pan? Lots…. and a Fazer will do the same intergalactic mileage, probably better on fuel, tyres and servicing.
Post by: helloindustries on 04 February 2015, 08:19:42 pm
In the mean time, i'm still trying to find the bits i need to get some wind protection at prices which are less of a joke.
Post by: Stupid Luke on 04 February 2015, 09:21:41 pm
Anyone know anything about Bugatti Veyrons?
I am quite tempted to get one, except I dont have the money, new job and cant get finance.
Anyone know anything about Ford Fiestas, ..................................not for now but for a couple of years hence when I can get a Wonga loan.
:rolleyes
Post by: Dave48 on 05 February 2015, 09:19:51 am
Issues like wind noise/earplugs can be dealt with by custom made ear plugs,the right helmet,experimenting with screen type/height.
Apart from carrying a bit more weight than the 600 with consequent slightly different approach to cornering, that 24 valve motor(especially if Ivanised) is an absolute joy. Fuel economy is down to you but I never found it excessively thirsty. Servicing is simple for the owner with reasonable skills and even the valve check was ok using advice from this forum. Spares are with a few exceptions plentiful.
Riding position is comfortable and can be adjusted to suit and you wont be bent over the tank like on some bikes.
The 01-05 FZS 1000 is currently one of the best bargains out there as many riders have been seduced away to monster trail type bikes.
Have a look on here as lovingly cared for examples come up for sale, often with the suspension mods/Ivanising already done. It is the type of bike that can be whatever you want it to be...trickle though traffic at 30 in 4th/5th gear without snatching and then when opportunity for overtake presents its all done in the blink of an eye-no fuss, no drama just power! Set Fazers for Fun!
Post by: Mick-H on 05 February 2015, 02:57:04 pm
The Thou was without any shadow of doubt the best all-rounder motorcycle I have ever owned/ridden.
Yup it sure was a nice one ;)
Post by: JoeRock on 05 February 2015, 04:51:18 pm
I am in the same boat as OP - and I susspect every Fazer owner will have to go thru this painful process of finding a bike that is at least as good as Fazer in all aspects. Goes to show how good these bike are really! :)
My commute is kinda same - approximately 50 miles each way, all year and I too would like something bigger, more powerful, more fun etc - but I can't find any other bike that will do it all as well as the Fazer while being so cheap to run & easy to fix.
ZX-9R, ZX-9R! :lol
Post by: AyJay on 05 February 2015, 08:28:08 pm
I am in the same boat as OP - and I susspect every Fazer owner will have to go thru this painful process of finding a bike that is at least as good as Fazer in all aspects. Goes to show how good these bike are really! :)
My commute is kinda same - approximately 50 miles each way, all year and I too would like something bigger, more powerful, more fun etc - but I can't find any other bike that will do it all as well as the Fazer while being so cheap to run & easy to fix.
ZX-9R, ZX-9R! :lol
I did 40k on one of those. Agony after 75 miles. The relationship between bars, pegs and seat is completely wrong on that bike (well, it is for me). I was really starting to despise riding it because it hurt so much so I took a test ride on my FZS just for the hell of it and bought it on the spot. The FZS is a country mile more comfortable, once Ivanised just as fast, and I don't have to adjust the carbs every 6k to get rid of the horrific low end flat spots of the ZX9.
Now, a ZZR1400… that's a different kettle of fish, as comfy as the FZS, as simple to ride, as economical, worse for service costs, worse in town but who cares when you open the throttle.
Post by: stevierst on 06 February 2015, 02:47:06 am
So not quite as good as a litre Fazer then :)
Post by: PieEater on 06 February 2015, 09:52:33 am
that 24 valve motor(especially if Ivanised) is an absolute joy
:eek - I've been robbed !!
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 06 February 2015, 12:09:55 pm
that 24 valve motor(especially if Ivanised) is an absolute joy
:eek - I've been robbed !!
:lol
At least valve clearance checks will be a bit quicker!
Post by: unfazed on 06 February 2015, 01:17:57 pm
that 24 valve motor(especially if Ivanised) is an absolute joy
:eek - I've been robbed !!
:lol
At least valve clearance checks will be a bit quicker!
Did not know Ivans modification increased the number of valves :lol :lol
Post by: AyJay on 06 February 2015, 07:57:28 pm
Worse in town?
So not quite as good as a litre Fazer then :)
Er… no. If someone forced me to choose, it'd be the FZS…. I think it's one of the greatest bikes ever manufactured, right up there with the Vincent Black Shadow, Bonneville, C90, '89 VFR, CB250RS, 916,…. it's just so versatile and user friendly it knocks most focused bikes into a cocked hat even if they are stunning on the right road. Remember that old Performance Bikes quote a few years back - "95% of the time, you'd be happier riding a VFR"? That's the Fazer. It was under rated when it came out and that judgement seems to have stuck.
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 06 February 2015, 08:41:10 pm
That's the Fazer. It was under rated when it came out and that judgement seems to have stuck.
Yamaha messed up by trying to play it up as a hooligan street bike, completely missing it's potential as one of the best all-rounders ever built. So the advertising attracted the wrong people, and the bike journos judged it by that label, and so they were all then disappointed (although perhaps not totally) that it was actually very mild-mannered when you wanted it to be. That and the stupid price it first hit the showrooms at gave it a very slow start. I've never read a bad write-up on them when taken for what they actually are. Ever. "That judgement" has not stuck at all. People have since discovered what a great bike it is, and I also don't recall ever hearing anyone slag them off when I've been asked what bike I ride.
It's only failing now is that it is getting to look a bit out-dated. But we all know, it still beats much of the competition into a cocked hat.
Post by: nickodemon on 06 February 2015, 09:50:47 pm
Post by: andyajaxfreeman on 06 February 2015, 10:57:27 pm
I love my fz1 fazer (08 reg) as its light and great on twisty roads whilst also having a good seating position for longer distance riding. it also has great power and always puts a smile on my face. There are better commuting bikes out there but this bike is an all in one if you want my opinion.
Have you considered a MT07 for good mpg? ive heard nothing but amazing reviews about the mt range and cracking prices brand new.
hope this helps, andy
Post by: AyJay on 06 February 2015, 11:11:22 pm
The extraordinary thing is, even having ridden a Tuono V4, Multistrada, the most recent Blade, VFR1200, ZZR1400, I still get back on my now 14 year old bike and think "This damn thing is still current, and christ, is it good fun!"
I can't wait to have a test of the new GSX1000F thing. Again, not a great looker, but it could be as versatile as the FZS. I really ought to get shot on the BMW S1000 too, but I wonder if either that or the Suzuki could be as easy to work on, cheap to repair/modify and as reliable as my bike. Heck, we all know the answer there - Nope. Not a chance. I'm stunned by Yamaha's build quality, even if second gear let go on me due to a manufacturing fault. The second unit now has 80k on it and still hasn't needed a valve service.
I cannot get over the fact I've had it for 14 years. That means it's been ridden through 13 winters let alone thrashed on several track days, 20k miles of foreign holidays, 40k of general hooning about and 70k miles of commuting. Mind you, it looked it this evening. It was black this time last week and tonight it looked whitish grey with all the salt. I must get that jet wash out of the box again….
Post by: nickodemon on 06 February 2015, 11:28:51 pm
Post by: unfazed on 07 February 2015, 09:09:37 pm
I was always annoyed when i parked my new fazer in a bike park and people would walk passed it without a glance. One of my mates summed it up perfectly... He said it doesn't do anything for me.. It's not a hyper sports bike and it's not a tourer... The problem the fazer has always had is that it's extremely good at everything but not exceptional 'class leading' at anything. The only people that truly rate the fazer are people that have owned one :)
:thumbup :'(
Post by: noggythenog on 07 February 2015, 09:51:14 pm
Im man enough to admit it....dont shoot me.......ive been a dick......but seriously if you look back on all the old bike mags or google images you'll see mention of the gen 1 being a hoooligan bike and crazy and hard to handle.......pics of testers on the back wheel etc........a comfy rider has got to be happy rider......if you're comfy and fancy going fast and happen to be on a 140bhp motorbike then i think that's a good potion for being real world quick rather than someone heing on the fastest hardest rocket that exists but they're so in pain after 20 miles they cant relax enough to be producing the goods.
Post by: Mick-H on 07 February 2015, 10:22:24 pm
Come summer I intend to be out and about on mine quite a bit, let me know whereabouts you are, we'll meet up for a brew and you can go for a spin on mine no probs.
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 07 February 2015, 10:35:49 pm
The gen 1 is the antithesis of all you've been saying you want in a bike.
You say you want light weight. The gen 1 is no lightweight.
You say you want no more than 100mph. The gen 1 approaches 160mph as standard.
You say you want quick handling. The gen1 needs a firm hand and pre-planning in the twisties.
Noggy, you ain't man enough for a gen 1 :lol
Your biggest mistake was selling the 600.
Your best move now would be a Street Triple; I'm convinced of this.
and thus was another thread hijacked in Noggy's never-ending quest for the wrong bike...
Post by: JoeRock on 07 February 2015, 11:01:42 pm
Noggy, you've got me stumped :rolleyes
The gen 1 is the antithesis of all you've been saying you want in a bike.
You say you want light weight. The gen 1 is no lightweight.
You say you want no more than 100mph. The gen 1 approaches 160mph as standard.
You say you want quick handling. The gen1 needs a firm hand and pre-planning in the twisties.
Noggy, you ain't man enough for a gen 1 :lol
Your biggest mistake was selling the 600.
Your best move now would be a Street Triple; I'm convinced of this.
and thus was another thread hijacked in Noggy's never-ending quest for the wrong bike...
I was just thinking that Nick :lol
Post by: stevierst on 07 February 2015, 11:24:48 pm
I've had 13 bikes over the last 12 years which includes 3 Fazer 600's, 2 carb'd R1's, and a 10 plate fz1s which I spent a fortune on.
I've always wanted a gen 1. Ridden a few standard ones, and Brooker81's tricked up gen 1 which was a credit to him. My carb'd R1 with a fat bar conversion is probably THE best compromise I've ever experienced in any bike, hence why I'm on my second one in over 250,000 miles of use.
My 17 yo daughter, and my wife love the smoothness and comfort of the R1, and its solo performance/comfort for the road is unparalleled.
In my eyes it's easier to make an R1 comfy, than make a litre Fazer perform like a sports bike.
Any doubters give me a shout and I'll happily take you up on a day out on the road. Just saying as its something which is frequently overlooked.
Post by: unfazed on 07 February 2015, 11:29:59 pm
Noggy, you've got me stumped :rolleyes
The gen 1 is the antithesis of all you've been saying you want in a bike.
You say you want light weight. The gen 1 is no lightweight.
You say you want no more than 100mph. The gen 1 approaches 160mph as standard.
You say you want quick handling. The gen1 needs a firm hand and pre-planning in the twisties.
Noggy, you ain't man enough for a gen 1 :lol
Your biggest mistake was selling the 600.
Your best move now would be a Street Triple; I'm convinced of this.
and thus was another thread hijacked in Noggy's never-ending quest for the wrong bike...
I was just thinking that Nick :lol
That's two of us thinking the same thing Joe :lol :lol :lol
Noggy, If I have the Gen 1 with me in March, when I am in Wales I will give you a spin to let you see what your missing :pokefun
Post by: noggythenog on 07 February 2015, 11:54:08 pm
Is there a idonniwhatthefuckiwant bike out there? :b
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 08 February 2015, 08:52:39 am
I'll tell you what, I went out on a ride or three today with my bro-in-law, and we discussed bikes as you always do.
I've had 13 bikes over the last 12 years which includes 3 Fazer 600's, 2 carb'd R1's, and a 10 plate fz1s which I spent a fortune on.
I've always wanted a gen 1. Ridden a few standard ones, and Brooker81's tricked up gen 1 which was a credit to him. My carb'd R1 with a fat bar conversion is probably THE best compromise I've ever experienced in any bike, hence why I'm on my second one in over 250,000 miles of use.
My 17 yo daughter, and my wife love the smoothness and comfort of the R1, and its solo performance/comfort for the road is unparalleled.
In my eyes it's easier to make an R1 comfy, than make a litre Fazer perform like a sports bike.
Any doubters give me a shout and I'll happily take you up on a day out on the road. Just saying as its something which is frequently overlooked.
I tell you what stevie, I believe you, except where the touring side comes in. I think (and of course I haven't ridden a straight-barred R1, so I'm guessing a bit here) that the gen 1 Fazer will be better in that regard as it seems to me it's better laid out for carrying luggage, and will have a better riding position for long distance work, as the bar/footrest relation is designed together for the upright position, whereas the R1 with flat bars would need footrests moving to suit? It's something I'd like to try at some point, not necessarily an R1, but a sports bike of some description with a straight bar conversion.
Personally, I was brought up on older bikes that need some work to get them hustling round the bendy bits, and I like that. It gives you a sense of satisfaction that getting along quickly has more to do with your own input, and not just the bike doing it all for you. So the gen 1 is a natural progression for me. That doesn't mean to say it'll be everyone's cuppa, but it is a bloody good compromise bike. But then, aren't all road bikes a bit of a compromise in one way or another? The ideal solution is to have several very focussed bikes, so you can choose which one you want to ride for each ride that you do, but we're not all blessed with wads of spare cash, so for most of us, it has to be a compromise. But Noggy, you've talked about just doing sunny Sunday hooning on those brilliant Welsh roads, so perhaps you can afford to go for something a little more focussed. I have a feeling if that's all I wanted a bike for, I'd be riding something different. But my gen 1 has now become a bit of a project, what with the Ivanising, the R6 shock, and hopefully soon R1 front end. So far, before the R1 bits are added, it hasn't made it any less of an all-rounder, just better at the sporty side of things. But it'll never be an R1/GSXR/ZX10R/whatever one-trick sports bike, as stevie says.
Noggy, at least test ride a Street Triple. Go on, prove me wrong, cos I think that's the bike for you. But don't expect any bike to perfectly fit what you want. I've had many bikes over the years, but I wouldn't say any of them has been perfect - I just use them for too many different things for that to be possible.
Post by: noggythenog on 08 February 2015, 09:12:45 am
Not saying id have a Gen 1 now but i certainly think i should have got one instead of the Gen 2 that's all.........i never had a problem with how soft the old 600 was and so the 600 with more power would have been fine.....ie a Gen 1
But life's a bitch and then you go buy one and im commiting to throwing a grand at the Gen2 now in the quest for seeing just what it can be.
I was almost set on a street triple.....then my old man says to me "you'll need to invest in allot of engine oil" & was like eh what you on about....then i googled it & theres some kind of inherent flaw with the engines drinking oil.....ffs.....thats the problem, theres always a problem and no bike is perfect.
I know what bike id like to try........Suzuki GSXR K5 with a flat bar conversion :evil ........out of my price range though.....at the moment anyway.
Oh foc i hijacked yet another thread :lol :hijack
Post by: stevierst on 08 February 2015, 10:33:53 am
I've used converted R1's for the last 7 years for everything (albeit wanting a gen 1) I've toured around Scotland on my old one with a shed load of luggage where it was absolutely superb. I can't say the Fazer would have been any better at it.
I put my panniers on the current one that fit well and don't screw the handling up. I spend on average 5-6 hours in the saddle on a ride out, and just start to get a bit saddle sore on the return part of the journey.
As for comfort with pegs/seat/bars ergonomics, it's not a lot different to the big Fazer, and I've got 36" inside legs!!!!
Unless you've ridden mine, you really can't comment on the converted R1 compared to a Fazer. I've ridden a few now, and can honestly say that mine is just a lightweight Fazer. That's how and why I built it that way.
Like I say, I'm offering anyone to come on a ride out and have a go.
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 08 February 2015, 10:42:12 am
I agree, the fazer has to be better at the distance game than a converted R1 doesn't it?.
Not saying id have a Gen 1 now but i certainly think i should have got one instead of the Gen 2 that's all.........i never had a problem with how soft the old 600 was and so the 600 with more power would have been fine.....ie a Gen 1
But life's a bitch and then you go buy one and im commiting to throwing a grand at the Gen2 now in the quest for seeing just what it can be.
I was almost set on a street triple.....then my old man says to me "you'll need to invest in allot of engine oil" & was like eh what you on about....then i googled it & theres some kind of inherent flaw with the engines drinking oil.....ffs.....thats the problem, theres always a problem and no bike is perfect.
I know what bike id like to try........Suzuki GSXR K5 with a flat bar conversion :evil ........out of my price range though.....at the moment anyway.
Oh foc i hijacked yet another thread :lol :hijack
That's news to me! Loads of guys on another forum I use have them, and never once has that been mentioned. I had an FZR1000EXUP and they have a reputation for drinking oil, but I never had a problem. With the Fazer gen 1, I find if you have a day of really caning it, it'll want a drop to top up sometimes, but fine with lighter, "everyday" use. It doesn't put me off wanting to try one for a while, you can always trade in again.
Stevie, I'd be in that queue to try yours but for one thing. I loaned a GPZ1100 to a mate once; he went out and killed himself on it. Please think very carefully before you lend your bike to others. Mostly, everything will be fine, but if the worst does happen, you'll live with guilt for the rest of your life. There was nothing wrong with the bike, he just got over-enthusiastic in the wrong place, and that was it.
Post by: noggythenog on 08 February 2015, 10:47:02 am
Clearly it's just the Maxxis Diamonds that are creating the bike, slap them on a moped & it'll out perform anything :lol
Shit i just hope my garage stocks them now or ill never hear the end of it if i buy a lesser tyre :)
Post by: stevierst on 08 February 2015, 10:58:08 am
And Nick, I understand you, and my heart goes out to ya for losing a friend. I wouldn't just let my bike out to a stranger, I'd ride with you first and work it out if your any good. Then I'd be in front setting the pace accordingly. Been doing this a long time, I ain't stupid.
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 08 February 2015, 11:32:36 am
I ain't stupid.
No, no, I know, didn't mean to suggest so. But sometimes it's worth reminding people; not only you reading this, I'm sure.
Post by: stevierst on 08 February 2015, 11:55:06 am
Post by: JoeRock on 09 February 2015, 02:36:01 pm
I agree, the fazer has to be better at the distance game than a converted R1 doesn't it?.
Not saying id have a Gen 1 now but i certainly think i should have got one instead of the Gen 2 that's all.........i never had a problem with how soft the old 600 was and so the 600 with more power would have been fine.....ie a Gen 1
But life's a bitch and then you go buy one and im commiting to throwing a grand at the Gen2 now in the quest for seeing just what it can be.
I was almost set on a street triple.....then my old man says to me "you'll need to invest in allot of engine oil" & was like eh what you on about....then i googled it & theres some kind of inherent flaw with the engines drinking oil.....ffs.....thats the problem, theres always a problem and no bike is perfect.
I know what bike id like to try........Suzuki GSXR K5 with a flat bar conversion :evil ........out of my price range though.....at the moment anyway.
Oh foc i hijacked yet another thread :lol :hijack
Give me a choice between doing 300 miles on a normal R1, or an FZS 1000 - I'd pick the R1 every time. Only reason I'd ever pick the FZS would be if I HAD to have hard luggage, or was gonna take a pillion.
Wouldn't worry about the oil drinking - some Trumpeys can do it a bit more than others buts its a relatively normal thing - same as old Yams really!
If you actually want a GSXR1000 Noggy you should consider a ZX-10R - I picked my 07 up in excellent condition, with akrapovics and 16k ish miles for £3400. That said, it doesn't like rough surfaces (fork springs are too hard as standard for my weight at least), so dodgy back roads aren't its best area. Get it on a decent A road though and its a screamer!
Post by: noggythenog on 09 February 2015, 04:04:11 pm
Id just been sitting on one of those big white & red Honda cb things which are very nice and a big comfy bike and much to my surprise the R1 was comfy......i couldnt believe it...i thought i must've been tripping or letting the cool factor cloud my judgement.......although the rear sets were high up because of the lying across the tank it made it comfy.
The main thing about the upright bikes for me isnt quite about the comfort but more to do with the view across cars and hedges or even just site seeing & i wouldnt want to be constantly viewing the world within such a small field of vision....certainly for the OP's needs on the mortorway then the fazer being nice & high up for seeing over traffic or ogling talent is surely a good bike.
Post by: JoeRock on 09 February 2015, 05:19:32 pm
Actually i think i mentioned this a couple times before but last hear i had a seat on an R1 just for the foc of it at a dealers....i cant quite remember what vintage it was but anyway it wasnt brand new....probably a 10 plate or something.
Id just been sitting on one of those big white & red Honda cb things which are very nice and a big comfy bike and much to my surprise the R1 was comfy......i couldnt believe it...i thought i must've been tripping or letting the cool factor cloud my judgement.......although the rear sets were high up because of the lying across the tank it made it comfy.
The main thing about the upright bikes for me isnt quite about the comfort but more to do with the view across cars and hedges or even just site seeing & i wouldnt want to be constantly viewing the world within such a small field of vision....certainly for the OP's needs on the mortorway then the fazer being nice & high up for seeing over traffic or ogling talent is surely a good bike.
Unless you're on a massive adventure bike Noggy I would imagine it's probably 6 inches difference, tops? If you find them comfy - at least try a sports bike once in your life!
Post by: stevierst on 09 February 2015, 06:08:59 pm