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Title: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: noggythenog on 29 January 2015, 08:54:27 am



I'm looking at adjusting my rear sets on the FZ1 (gilles) because my quad cramps up badly after about 150 miles.


At present id say they are more or less in line with my hips but i got thinking about whether it would be less taxing on the legs to actually have them adjusted all the way to the rear of the bike.





It's  tricky with the FZ1 coz its a semi upright.....if it was a supermoto id say in line with hips would be good.....if it was a sports bike  i'd say as far rearwards as possible for the lie down position.....but the thou is somewhere between.




Has anyone tried it, what were the results?


The bike is currently sorn so i cant do trial and error yet
Title: Re: Rear set, set-up.
Post by: noggythenog on 29 January 2015, 02:30:14 pm





I've had a sit on the bike & there isnt much scope for adjusting the pegs further down towards the ground but i can go back a little bit.


I actually noticed that when sat on the bike my Knees & thighs arent exactly resting up to the lip of the tank, you know the bit i mean on the tank.....the huggy but that you grip onto......my knees and thighs are actually a couple inches down from the lip and resting on a bulbous bit of the tank.............so im actually curious now as to whether i should adjust the rear sets backwards and upwards to try get my legs up and nestled against this lip and be a bit more one with the bike.


I sat on a new R1 once which i thought would be totally uncomfortable but to my surprise because i was so tipped forward the rear sets on it seemed to make sense......like i say the Fz1 is difficult because of its sporty but semi upright position.


Any thoughts on this?
Title: Re: Rear set, set-up.
Post by: HarryHornby on 29 January 2015, 02:40:21 pm
Oh, FFS, how many years have you been on this forum? You know the rules, shouldn't this be posted in the FZ1 section???  :b :pokefun
Title: Re: Rear set, set-up.
Post by: noggythenog on 29 January 2015, 02:45:16 pm
Oh, FFS, how many years have you been on this forum? You know the rules, shouldn't this be posted in the FZ1 section???  :b :pokefun


Ha ha




It probably should have in hindsight........but it's more about rear sets in general and upright bikes so im gonna blag it :rolleyes
Title: Re: Rear set, set-up.
Post by: dazza on 29 January 2015, 03:14:27 pm
I've got Gillies rearsets on my gen 1 Noggy.
I have adjusted them to the rear as far as I can without removing the centre stand.
As it is I have had to extend the stop on the stand to prevent it hitting the rearsets.
I seem to recall you may not have a centre stand so this won't be a problem for you.
This set-up works for me and feels comfortable as I always felt my feet were too far forward with the original pegs.
The extra ground clearance was another reason I went for the rearsets as well as comfort.
Title: Re: Rear set, set-up.
Post by: noggythenog on 29 January 2015, 06:57:44 pm
I've got Gillies rearsets on my gen 1 Noggy.
I have adjusted them to the rear as far as I can without removing the centre stand.
As it is I have had to extend the stop on the stand to prevent it hitting the rearsets.
I seem to recall you may not have a centre stand so this won't be a problem for you.
This set-up works for me and feels comfortable as I always felt my feet were too far forward with the original pegs.
The extra ground clearance was another reason I went for the rearsets as well as comfort.


Cheers Dazza that's a little inspiring anyway coz i thought i might be off on yet another tangent.....appreciate i bore the shit outta some folk here but i cant say ive read a rear sets thread in the last few years so tough shit to them go back to the which screen threads :evil


Anyway......just trying a last ditch effort while i have the inspiration to make me keep the thou....i want to say ive tried.


It's almost counterintuitive for me to go from wanting more leg room to then thinking of moving the rear sets upwards & backwards but im just thinking that maybe having the pegs too far forward "could" be causing the cramps by making me a bit skee whif & awkward & probably stopping me from getting enough weight forward onto the bars.



Title: Re: Rear set, set-up.
Post by: dazza on 29 January 2015, 07:11:28 pm
 :z :z :z :z :z :z :z :lol
Title: Re: Rear set, set-up.
Post by: slimwilly on 29 January 2015, 07:38:46 pm
Shhhhusshhh


i am now in the hottub with red wine, radio on,oldies,,and i gotta read this  :eek






that didn.t read correct :lol (oops)


rear13
rear13


with original footrests




giles1
giles1
With thr Giles rearsets,


i have not looked at what adjustment there is but they are a couple of inches rearward of standard and are fine for me,,5,6" normal gent :lol


i have now opened the windows as i am boiling, the snow is blowing in and is refreshing ,more wine vicar





Title: Re: Rear set, set-up.
Post by: noggythenog on 29 January 2015, 07:50:03 pm
Hey Slim...what wine you on?
Title: Re: Rear set, set-up.
Post by: slimwilly on 29 January 2015, 07:56:23 pm
Red CRISTOBEL 1492, not that good,piss really,screw top bottle, 2013 vintage,


oh dear the wife has left me :) :eek :lol




oh ,the three foster kids upstaires :'( :'( :'( :'(




she has gone to stay with her mother whom is a bit poorly, i am staying in the tub though,well untill i get wrinkly skin like my ball bag , all over :lol


Title: Re: Rear set, set-up.
Post by: noggythenog on 29 January 2015, 08:54:22 pm



Im on the whisky.......but i dont like whisky......so ive watered it down with some crabbies ginger wine 8)




Seriously though........i hope those rats & Bees have pissed in your hot tub :lol




Tricky to see with your rear sets coz theyre black.




I do like that vfr rear hump.




Ill try get some sunny weather and put a pic up of mine as they are.
Title: Re: Rear set, set-up.
Post by: Andy FZS on 29 January 2015, 09:32:01 pm
So we could be waiting a while then
Title: Re: Rear set, set-up.
Post by: noggythenog on 29 January 2015, 09:35:13 pm
So we could be waiting a while then


All i ask is just a wind free day with no rain, overcast will do, ice even i dont mind


Yep.....could be ages  :(




By the way slim.....get those pillion pegs off.
Title: Re: Rear set, set-up.
Post by: noggythenog on 29 January 2015, 09:40:39 pm





Side on piccy.
Title: Re: Rear set, set-up.
Post by: JoeRock on 29 January 2015, 11:36:27 pm
Noggy - just giv eit a go. Doesn't take long to adjust them, so even if you don't like where they are you can play around with them.


Word of warning - be careful taking the bolts out - Gilles bolts are made of what I can only assume is some kind of cream cheese
Title: Re: Rear set, set-up.
Post by: slimwilly on 30 January 2015, 06:34:54 am
Yes "cream cheese stainless" bolts, i changed each of mine as i removed them,the allen key heads will round off.


Your pegs look more rearward than mine already.




Title: Re: Rear set, set-up.
Post by: devilsyam on 30 January 2015, 07:17:51 am
Change them bars to 754 or 755 much more comfy
Title: Re: Rear set, set-up.
Post by: noggythenog on 30 January 2015, 10:49:37 am
Change them bars to 754 or 755 much more comfy


Good shout Devilsyam


The 755's look good.


I did fancy the 758's but on the fz they're maybe not sporty enough but the 755's on the red bike pic are nice.


Out of interest have you still got the lowering linkage for sale, i sem to remember they could raise the arse end too....if i could get a decent rise it could be another option for me. Lust racing do one but it's £60 for 2 poxy metal plates.


Think ill ask the kind admins if i can move the thread now, im a scourge. :rolleyes
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: slimwilly on 31 January 2015, 07:13:45 am
Noggy , your seat look suspiciously like an after market one, i will buy it if you change it. It looks about 20mm taller than standard
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: noggythenog on 31 January 2015, 07:35:52 am





Have decided to change the title & turn the thread into the keeping of my FZ.


Decided to bite the bullet and make it more the bike for me.....despite lengthy looks at lots of other bikes im still of the opinion that the pure rush from the FZ engine is tough to beat and also that no bike is perfect.....tracer or MT09 are the best looking alternatives.....but i cant afford them.....so i need to wait a few years for one.


I still have a powerful bike that looks the part but theres quite a few jobs to get it up to scratch. A few bits are more tatty than i prefer,  It's a commitment because it'll require quite an outlay so suffice to say the bike wont be up for sale for £2500 any more if i do it all.


Instead of scrimping and saving using up every last penny to try get a new bike i can now afford to do the things my thou needs while still being able to afford to live.


Ill be generous and allow myself £1000 spend and i should have a top notch bike for that spend. 8)
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: noggythenog on 31 January 2015, 07:38:42 am
Noggy , your seat look suspiciously like an after market one, i will buy it if you change it. It looks about 20mm taller than standard


It's supposedly a gel seat slim but is still very hard, i think its filling has seen better days, i hadnt realised it may be taller than standard but taller is where i wanna be. Gonna get an airhawk cushion and take all things seating from there.
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: noggythenog on 31 January 2015, 08:29:07 am
TO DO LIST:-




FRONT FORKS:-currently far too stiff with a couple of inches unuseable travel on max adjustment despite my weight. Sketchy info from previous owner indicates they "might" have Ohlins springs in them - my plan is to firstly get the fork oil only changed. I'm educated guessing that anyone doing a spring upgrade would most likely also upgrade to thicker fork oil so perhaps changing back to normal grade will do the trick. If it fails then all ive lost is the cost of oil and ill then look at different springs.


FRONT FAIRING:-small crack under the indiator running underneath, not easily visible but ill eventually get it plastic welded, the lawnmower also atacked it and as a result i lost half of one of the FZ1 decals so ill take both decals off and see how it looks and perhaps replace with decals of my choosing....im quite fancying a couple japanese rising sun decals as i think they'll really snap against the red background.


HANDLEBARS:-replace them with some Gold Renthals, either 755's or 758's, the 755's look closest to original and are probably the safer bet but i like the thought of the ultra low 758's as i havent seen them on a FZ1 and the long width of them will look pretty wicked i think.Gold Renthal bar end plugs.


HANDLEBAR CLAMP/RISERS:-replace with a black one & source some Gold clamp bolts, the silver is out of place on the bike which is mostly black and gold and red.


TOP YOKE:-source a half decent yoke cover in carbon or black, the silver is out of place and is impregnated with grime that i cant seem to clean off.


OXFORD HEATED GRIPS:-have them removed as im mainly fair weather and ive heard stories about them causing niggly electrical issues, worth it for commuters but for the use i give them not worth the hassle, replace the grips with something nice....not sure what yet?


IGNITION:-sort out the intermittent starting issue....possibly a coroded connector somewhere, need to take them all apart and inspect and clean.


TANK COVER:-the bolts into this little front cover are bloody awkward, wish i never took them out now, replace with the quick release fairing fasteners.


TANK:-needs replacing eventually due to the disgracefully rusty fuel filler rim on the lip underneath the cap, ill look out until a cheap one comes along in red or if an immaculate one comes along in another colour i might just have it with a view to a spray, ill get by for a while as it is.


SEAT:-get an Airhawk seat cushion to add a little comfort and a little increase in height for extra leg room.


REAR SETS:-adjust the Gilles backwards and upwards for a more tilted forward position and give it a try, make it easier to put the weight on the front end (see i pay attention).


BELLYPAN:-stone chipped to death & road scuffed on the underneath on both sides....either leave it as it is as it is clearly protecting other bits of the bike, or maybe ask devilsyam about this carbon dipping, im divided on how it would look in carbon & my ocd would then want the rear mudguard done the same to match on the bottom end ie carbon fender extendor, bellypan & mudguard, possibly a bit carbon overkill given how much it already has.


EXHAUST:-replace the studs & collars to manifold as they look tatty and need future proofing.


REAR SUSPENSION:-leave the Nitron alone for now but eventually get it sent off for a service and adjustment for me. Get a Jack up kit for the rear + 25mm for a meaner look and more room and complete the sporty stance,  im tall enough for the rise.


ENGINE:-oil & filter change, look out for a cheap power commander, already has a K&N, lars airbox mod, blocked AiS, de cat, Ivans FCE but i really need a power commander to tie it all in. It has done 40k miles now but is really strong. Thinking i shouldnt worry about it as it should do another 50k and im not likely to still have it in another 40k considering i average 3-4k a year.


FASTENERS:-replace a number of bolts and fixings as they are a bit corroded and furry and nasty looking, i need to find an alternative to Pro-Bolt as they cost a fortune, without being too tacky i would like a few gold bolts dotted around for the general theme.


NUMBER PLATE:-get a slightly smaller plate as the massive standard one it has now is spoiling the rear end.


TYRES:-need new ones, keep my promise to stevie and give some Maxxis Diamonds a go.


MOT:-probably should have put this at the top of the list, fingers crossed.

Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: devilsyam on 31 January 2015, 09:25:38 am
scrap all efforts above come see me i have up/down plates £20 powder coated to not pait finish like the expensive lust ones

(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NjcyWDEzMDI=/z/eWQAAOSw2s1UttmB/$_57.JPG)

755 mid rise bars on lower risers so 755 low rise on stock bar risers would work out same


(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/10711033_10152560368593800_8477507055925131037_n.jpg?oh=595b57665448c0b129a89028ff3bec10&oe=552178CC&__gda__=1431676536_d5a8751bbe019704adbdd5cbe5721f03)

low rise 755 on fazer 1000 risers

(https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/1900050_10152065351683800_291654518_n.jpg?oh=552846c33c6a2313f866e06c79845140&oe=555B1865)

best set up so far triumph speed triple risers and 755 mid rise

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10403064_10152633206783800_5503448379729361620_n.jpg?oh=96393d0f91f3dacbe9b5beba59844792&oe=555BAAD9&__gda__=1431898252_2068bafb3aa69645314a2d55094f10dd)
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: noggythenog on 31 January 2015, 10:19:16 am
Fancy another project Luke?


I feel a PM coming on 8)
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: devilsyam on 31 January 2015, 11:48:52 am
My order book is full till April's as doing a build for dave bright and front end for nick crisp but always got time to talk and pointers
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: noggythenog on 31 January 2015, 01:50:41 pm
My order book is full till April's as doing a build for dave bright and front end for nick crisp but always got time to talk and pointers


Cheers mate no worries i thought youd have a few things on.


Ill keep the thread updated and ill get busy on ebay sourcing all the various bits n bobs.


On the first pic, with the black bike i like the look of that, are you saying that's standard FZ1 risers???, ill need to have a deek at mine in the shed but i had a feeling mine look more like your pic number 2 on the blue bike....im probably a bit confused though. But whatever the black bike has i like as id want black risers and some gold bolts with gold bars.
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: devilsyam on 31 January 2015, 02:14:47 pm
Ok each line of text refers to picture below it
I've messed about with combos
Now settled with triumph risers which are very low and mid 755s
Be aware you may need to change brake lines or re route
I know I keep banging on about it but I have these options here come sit on me bikes it would save time and money
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: fazed out on 31 January 2015, 03:17:04 pm
scrap all efforts above come see me i have up/down plates £20 powder coated to not pait finish like the expensive lust ones

([url]http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NjcyWDEzMDI=/z/eWQAAOSw2s1UttmB/[/url]$_57.JPG)

755 mid rise bars on lower risers so 755 low rise on stock bar risers would work out same


([url]https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/10711033_10152560368593800_8477507055925131037_n.jpg?oh=595b57665448c0b129a89028ff3bec10&oe=552178CC&__gda__=1431676536_d5a8751bbe019704adbdd5cbe5721f03[/url])
Luke your the man in the know  has anyone made adapter plates for front footpeg hanger to slightly drop the peg position on gen1 fazer thou
low rise 755 on fazer 1000 risers

([url]https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/1900050_10152065351683800_291654518_n.jpg?oh=552846c33c6a2313f866e06c79845140&oe=555B1865[/url])

best set up so far triumph speed triple risers and 755 mid rise

([url]https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10403064_10152633206783800_5503448379729361620_n.jpg?oh=96393d0f91f3dacbe9b5beba59844792&oe=555BAAD9&__gda__=1431898252_2068bafb3aa69645314a2d55094f10dd[/url])
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: devilsyam on 31 January 2015, 03:30:15 pm
#fazed out

answer buell pegs but require bit work to fit not to hard

(http://i58.tinypic.com/23lm4o4.jpg)
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: noggythenog on 31 January 2015, 07:05:44 pm
Ok each line of text refers to picture below it
I've messed about with combos
Now settled with triumph risers which are very low and mid 755s
Be aware you may need to change brake lines or re route
I know I keep banging on about it but I have these options here come sit on me bikes it would save time and money


Ta Luke, yeh i think it was just the risers in black made them look different on the pic. But i do like the looks of stock risers and 755's that's the look im after.


Luckily ive already got braided lines and it looks like I've got a bit of excess to accommodate different bars although i do worry about the control cables, since you havent mentioned them being an issue then they probably wont be.


Appreciate the offer of seeing the bikes for a comparison, ideally id like to but i think you're Bristol & it'd prob be a good 3 & a half hour journey, the missus used to live there though so maybe ill get the chance to blag a site seing visit & just happen to be in the area.


Ill defo have a set of those jack up plates off you, ill get some money in my pay pal & wire it through. 8)



Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: devilsyam on 31 January 2015, 09:41:42 pm
ok lol any questions im happy to help


Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: noggythenog on 01 February 2015, 04:39:25 pm
Just sicking thos pic in for my reference of what ive got currently.


Whole bars, risers and associated gubbings looks lacklustre.
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 01 February 2015, 05:26:49 pm
I think I can see your handling problem  :lol
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: noggythenog on 01 February 2015, 05:47:34 pm
I think I can see your handling problem  :lol


Chronic sidewaysonitis Nick :)




Like haggis vision........their eyes have this view to counter one leg being shorter than the other which in turn helps them run round hills.
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: devilsyam on 01 February 2015, 07:19:25 pm
i feel you pain you need to sort it
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: slimwilly on 01 February 2015, 07:43:26 pm
Scoolboy error = fool :eek




Luke, he is only winding you in as a penpal :)
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: devilsyam on 01 February 2015, 08:04:56 pm
lost me not hard brain can only process intresting stuff auto shit filter the wife calls it lol

nogginthenog the stock set up hunches the shoulder and throws weight forward this puts loading on arm wrists etc
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: noggythenog on 01 February 2015, 08:27:37 pm
Slim=lose :b


the moment we became forum members we lost all credibility, we are all equally as sad......even you Slim.


Go play on the 3 word story game for a bit & come back with something constructive :pokefun
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: JoeRock on 02 February 2015, 11:55:35 am

[size=78%]Personally mate, I reckon you've made the right decision![/size]
Now, as to your list:


Forks - I'd recommend taking the springs out, and checking them first. They'll have a code stamped on them. Find out what rate it is, and what weight that's good for, and then replace if its not right. Seems a bit pointless doing the oil - if you're not using all the travel the spring just isn't right for your weight at all - thicker oil would make it seem harder, but won't affect the travel.
Shock - I would also imagine if the front is too stiff the rear may also be. Take it off, send it to Nitron. Will cost about £100-£150, they can service it, respring it and revalve it for your weight, and then it will be completely sorted. Also worth noting you don't actually need dog bones - your shock is ride height adjustable. Better to use that first as it won't alter the linkage rate like dog bones will.
Grips - Soft renthals!
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: noggythenog on 02 February 2015, 03:05:21 pm
lost me not hard brain can only process intresting stuff auto shit filter the wife calls it lol

nogginthenog the stock set up hunches the shoulder and throws weight forward this puts loading on arm wrists etc

Cant say that I've struggled with the wrists and arms as such but the standard bars certainly are an awkward shape and very difficult to get the leverage for countersteering
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: noggythenog on 02 February 2015, 03:21:54 pm

[size=78%]Personally mate, I reckon you've made the right decision![/size]
Now, as to your list:


Forks - I'd recommend taking the springs out, and checking them first. They'll have a code stamped on them. Find out what rate it is, and what weight that's good for, and then replace if its not right. Seems a bit pointless doing the oil - if you're not using all the travel the spring just isn't right for your weight at all - thicker oil would make it seem harder, but won't affect the travel.
Shock - I would also imagine if the front is too stiff the rear may also be. Take it off, send it to Nitron. Will cost about £100-£150, they can service it, respring it and revalve it for your weight, and then it will be completely sorted. Also worth noting you don't actually need dog bones - your shock is ride height adjustable. Better to use that first as it won't alter the linkage rate like dog bones will.
Grips - Soft renthals!

cheers Joe, I hope it pays off as it's quite an outlay, fingers crossed.

I need to confirm a few things but I see what you mean about the springs and I totally hadn't realised that the different fork oil wouldn't change the travel so I think in that case it's best to just get looking for a set of springs now. I see K-tech banded around quite a bit these days.

& ref the shock im pretty sure the ride height is already up towards the max but i'll investigate that, I,ve got some free leg clearance so for £20 for some jack ups it'll be nice for a bit more.

I got the serial number off the shock spring and enquired at Nitron and they reckon that it is what they'd recommend for my weight which makes me wonder why the previous owner then went so extreme with the front springs...bit of a dodgy uncalculated move I think.

agree with some nice Renthal grips, easy decision. 8)
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: noggythenog on 08 February 2015, 05:52:19 pm
Had an ebay splurge this morning....items purchased:-


Renthal Bars in Gold


R&G bar ends to fit Renthals


Carbon top yoke cover


Renthal grips, black ones, i just couldnt live with the soft ones being a horribly light grey or beige or whatever they are


Race fasteners for the Tank cover thing


Decals....jury is out but were cheap so ill see.


5 litres of WD40 lol....you can never have too much.


Devilsyam..........after all your advice ive went & got some FZS1000 risers in black to try out.......regards the Renthals......i pissed about for ages on the Renthal site & i was very close to getting the 755's...........but at the last minute i thought foc it lets try something different......so in the interest of experimentation ive ordered some Renthal High 756's......i just liked the looks of them....but dont worry ill shame myself if they are shit and i should have got 755's.....i can send back for replacement no probs.
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: slimwilly on 08 February 2015, 07:47:52 pm
OK Noggy, i  shall see you at the chopper meet in Sept :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: noggythenog on 08 February 2015, 08:04:38 pm
OK Noggy, i  shall see you at the chopper meet in Sept :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol


Trial and error slim.........could be a bag o shite


But could be good


Cant say ive seen any fitted before on a FZ1


For the sake of a wasted couple days waiting on a return then it was worth it just out of interest


I seen them on a Buell bike and liked them and i think with the chunky tank of the FZ1 they wont look too bad or be too far above it.
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: devilsyam on 08 February 2015, 08:21:22 pm
guess you forgot to re read the thread lol with fazer risers i would gone 755 low rise as pretty sure ya lines will be to short
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: noggythenog on 08 February 2015, 09:26:25 pm
Its Jekyl & Hyde in my mind......there's the real me.....& then there's the noggy me...........noggy me always focs things up & does things the hard way :lol


Real me - yeh get the 755's, devilsyam has them they are proven, easy peasy.


Noggy me - oh what are they...ohhhh.....shit i just clicked buy now foc you noggy me :b


I am cuffing it and yes i can see them being sent back but hey ho like i say curiosity got the better of me......if i was a cat id be foccin killed.


But here's a question for yous - what's the most significant dimension when it comes to brake hose stretch?........i would say that overall height rather than the Rise is.


If so then the 756's are only 15mm taller than the 755's & if I use FZS risers which look shorter then that could negate the difference.......possibly.


Rise is quite different between the 755's & 756's .
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: devilsyam on 08 February 2015, 09:32:34 pm
ya missing the point Mc nogster  there taller but the bend is motocross not sports bike
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: noggythenog on 08 February 2015, 09:40:26 pm
ya missing the point Mc nogster  there taller but the bend is motocross not sports bike


Ah i see so they could make the bike handle like a bag o shite then.


755's it is then :rolleyes


Ill match the 756's up jus for a laugh though......who knows
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: Andy FZS on 09 February 2015, 08:31:31 am
Ok so with all this talk of renthal bars I've still got some cash from Christmas I NEED to spend, what is best option for a gen1 thou, what's the benefits and I really don't want to have to change brake pipes etc as I haven't finished fitting them yet, brakes are sat on the bench covered in red rubber grease.
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: devilsyam on 09 February 2015, 10:09:36 am
From memory 755 lows keep stock lines
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: noggythenog on 09 February 2015, 10:45:49 am
Ok so with all this talk of renthal bars I've still got some cash from Christmas I NEED to spend, what is best option for a gen1 thou, what's the benefits and I really don't want to have to change brake pipes etc as I haven't finished fitting them yet, brakes are sat on the bench covered in red rubber grease.


I think 756's in gold are what you need.....you wanna buy some Andy? ;)
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: Andy FZS on 09 February 2015, 10:49:12 am
2nd hand ones are usually less than half price if I'm not mistaken. ..ok so what are the benefits other than gold ones being cheaper
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: noggythenog on 09 February 2015, 08:45:25 pm
2nd hand ones are usually less than half price if I'm not mistaken. ..ok so what are the benefits other than gold ones being cheaper


Jus a bit more of a personal touch really, they look the biz etc.


Id only really consider them if you had something that you didnt like about the current bars. I got 758 s on my 600 but only after i crashed and bent my standard bars, they were an economical replaxement that happened to feel a bit better.


I dont like the flat bars on the Gen2, i can understand clip ons and i can understand bent bars but i just cannot get on with flat bars it's like im operating a tiller or some kind of strange device rather than riding a bike :lol

[/size][size=78%]We'll see who's laughing when my mahoosive 756's arrive tomorrow[/size] :\ [/size][size=78%] [/size]
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: Andy FZS on 09 February 2015, 10:06:47 pm
Ok so what's the difference between 755, 756 and 758 and if you say 1 and then 2 I'll ignore it. What site did you buy them from, I've looked on the renthal site and it just seems to list crossers / off road bikes.
Cheers
Andy
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: noggythenog on 09 February 2015, 10:25:47 pm
Ok so what's the difference between 755, 756 and 758 and if you say 1 and then 2 I'll ignore it. What site did you buy them from, I've looked on the renthal site and it just seems to list crossers / off road bikes.
Cheers
Andy



Try this Andy and work through the key which lists all the different measurements of each of the bars.




http://road.renthal.com/shop/road-products/road-handlebars/road-se-bars (http://road.renthal.com/shop/road-products/road-handlebars/road-se-bars)


Theres a pic of  some blue handlebars on a bike, jus above it is some option buttons, click on the one that sayss "spec" & that'll bring up the pic with the A to F key to match with the other A to F listings at the bottom of the page.


In the end i just went on ebay and got the cheapest ones i could see.


Mind they dont come pre drilled to accept all the switchgear like standard bars, you gotta file down the plastic lugs of the switchgear so they sit flush on the bar and then use some decent tape round the bars for the gear to bite into instead of locating in holes.




Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: Andy FZS on 09 February 2015, 10:58:40 pm
Ok cheers I'll have a look.
Andy
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: noggythenog on 10 February 2015, 08:54:00 pm
756's arrived....i quite like them.




Whether they'll fit is another matter :)
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: slappy on 10 February 2015, 08:56:13 pm
Is that a new front fork in the picture as well? :D
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: noggythenog on 10 February 2015, 08:59:37 pm
Is that a new front fork in the picture as well? :D


Aye :lol


Im goin for the pot noodle mod
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: devilsyam on 10 February 2015, 09:12:22 pm
Those bars are toast
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: noggythenog on 10 February 2015, 09:56:00 pm
Those bars are toast


Yeh i was thinking since im building a fz1 chopper now that i can continue the kitchen theme & the toaster would look nice on the pillion seat......just gotta convert to 12v & get some marmite :)
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: slimwilly on 10 February 2015, 10:16:36 pm
I have two raleigh choppers in my shed,,wanna come for a ride mate ? :lol


I have a much lower set of renthals,,and the standard pipes are very tight




Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: noggythenog on 10 February 2015, 10:55:06 pm
I have two raleigh choppers in my shed,,wanna come for a ride mate ? :lol


I have a much lower set of renthals,,and the standard pipes are very tight

Just the brake pipes then slim?

If so then I could get away with it as I've got braided lines fitted but I need a good couple inches extra so tbc
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: nickodemon on 10 February 2015, 10:59:17 pm
Did your gen 1 bar risers arrive today?
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: noggythenog on 10 February 2015, 11:21:25 pm
Did your gen 1 bar risers arrive today?


Not yet boss, if you've sent them then they'll no doubt be tomorrow, happy days i oove getting bike stuff in the post 8)
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: nickodemon on 11 February 2015, 01:22:52 am
They should have arrived today. I posted first class on sunday :\
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: noggythenog on 11 February 2015, 07:47:43 am
They should have arrived today. I posted first class on sunday :\

no probs im sure they'll be today, im in the arse end of nowhere down here
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: noggythenog on 11 February 2015, 02:50:51 pm


can anyone send me a link to some nice front springs for the FZ1, Linear springs please so I can get them set for my weight ( I don't like the 50-120Kg range of the hyperpro progressive ones, sounds dubious). yet every google search seems to throw up Race Tech and that involves shipping via the mighty USA which isn't ideal.

for my own ref I've calculated that I need springs of 1.02KG/MM rating so will no doubt be looking at 1.00kg/mm off the shelf.

any linkies appreciated. 8)
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: JoeRock on 11 February 2015, 04:13:39 pm


can anyone send me a link to some nice front springs for the FZ1, Linear springs please so I can get them set for my weight ( I don't like the 50-120Kg range of the hyperpro progressive ones, sounds dubious). yet every google search seems to throw up Race Tech and that involves shipping via the mighty USA which isn't ideal.

for my own ref I've calculated that I need springs of 1.02KG/MM rating so will no doubt be looking at 1.00kg/mm off the shelf.

any linkies appreciated. 8)


Give K-tech a ring noggy
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: noggythenog on 11 February 2015, 07:30:13 pm


can anyone send me a link to some nice front springs for the FZ1, Linear springs please so I can get them set for my weight ( I don't like the 50-120Kg range of the hyperpro progressive ones, sounds dubious). yet every google search seems to throw up Race Tech and that involves shipping via the mighty USA which isn't ideal.

for my own ref I've calculated that I need springs of 1.02KG/MM rating so will no doubt be looking at 1.00kg/mm off the shelf.

any linkies appreciated. 8)



Give K-tech a ring noggy



Thanks mate, im sure i checked theirwebsiteand the FZ1 wasnt on the option list but i take it they stock other stuff do they then?


Juat did another google for them in particular and this brook place popped up so yep i can see that they exist and
Look a good price too.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Yamaha-FZ1-Fazer-K-Tech-Fork-Springs-06-13-/181457247045?nma=true&si=L5yVQ1GATZd%252Bq%252FIPFcd3%252F5um9BQ%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Yamaha-FZ1-Fazer-K-Tech-Fork-Springs-06-13-/181457247045?nma=true&si=L5yVQ1GATZd%252Bq%252FIPFcd3%252F5um9BQ%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557)




 8)

Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: devilsyam on 11 February 2015, 07:36:05 pm
noggy try going up a weight on the oil first cheaper and gives better feel and ride then drop front through yokes 15mm im running 20mm this sharpens up the front no end
this will have the added advantage of freeing up vital brake line length for the apehangers
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: noggythenog on 11 February 2015, 07:51:23 pm
noggy try going up a weight on the oil first cheaper and gives better feel and ride then drop front through yokes 15mm im running 20mm this sharpens up the front no end
this will have the added advantage of freeing up vital brake line length for the apehangers


Goood shout on the fork dropping for a bit more needed brake hose :thumbup ...i need all the extra help for fitting those apes.


I dropped the yokes before and i like the feel but i ran aground in Scotland which freaked me out so i raised them again but to be fair the whole setup was wrong so im willing to give it another go.


On the front i need it softer & i think it has mega stiff Ohlins fork springs which arent giving enough travel. I know from Nitron that the rear shock is good for my weight but i think the front end holds the key to riding bliss.

Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: noggythenog on 12 February 2015, 04:35:23 pm





Thanks to Nikodemon & Devilsyam......(theres a theme hereme buying from the othe dimension, devils, demons  :lol )[size=78%].risers and jack up plates now in my posession and top quaity items.[/size] 8)


Also got my renthal grips, r&g bar ends coz ive got lots of r&g stuff on the bike already plus some fancy fastenerrs although the fasteners look hard work as i dont hqve a rivet device but i can get a garage to do that.




I also matched up the 756's to my bike and to my surprise i think they look good and not too radical and i also think im gonna have enough stretch on the hoses too :)




Just need to wait until my holidays to get started on everything.
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: nickodemon on 12 February 2015, 04:49:34 pm
Looks like it's all coming together nicely. :)  Hope everything lines up the way you want 8)
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: noggythenog on 16 February 2015, 12:23:16 pm
Before i commit & make a pigs ear of these handlebars can i just ask what the usual score is with the other cables for clearance?


Ie the clutch & throttle cables, they go down & under the bike & look pretty tight but are they clipped on anywhere underneath for example that i wouldnt know about, im thinking about undoing the feeder clip thing that all the cables feed through at the handlebars just to try gaining a little extra room and of course ill drop the yokes a bit for some more.


The brake lines look like they'll be fine.
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: noggythenog on 16 February 2015, 04:46:45 pm
Dropped the yokes down 15mm. 8)


Undid the old risers. 8)


Ran outta time.........having a newborn baby is seriously hampering my man shed time. :\
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: noggythenog on 16 February 2015, 09:15:38 pm
Also sent an email to K-tech suspension on friday asking about springs for the forks:-


Replied today with:-


We would recommend either 8.5N or 9.0N springs for this application although it may be that the oil level in your forks is too high which is stopping you from using all of the travel.[/size]Best Regards Chris TaylorK-Tech Suspension LtdUnits 1 & 2 Marquis Court (http://foc-u.co.uk/x-apple-data-detectors://1)Rawdon Business Park (http://foc-u.co.uk/x-apple-data-detectors://1)Moira (http://foc-u.co.uk/x-apple-data-detectors://1)Derbyshire (http://foc-u.co.uk/x-apple-data-detectors://1)DE12 6EJ (http://foc-u.co.uk/x-apple-data-detectors://1) Mail:- chris@k-tech.uk.com




I think that's good service, not just trying to grab a sale & another option to check now before getting carried away. 8)
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: brooker81 on 17 February 2015, 02:13:53 pm
Noggy. You think a newborn limits your time! just wait till they are crawling and walking lol. I honestly can't remember when i last had an outing on the bike.
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: slappy on 17 February 2015, 03:03:15 pm
Noggy. You think a newborn limits your time! just wait till they are crawling and walking lol. I honestly can't remember when i last had an outing on the bike.


And when they have grown up and fled the nest and you think you now have time and money for yourself then along come the grandkids and you start the cycle all over again. I have no.6 grandchild due in 3 months and my wifes hobby is spending my money on them and telling them that grandad will take them/look after them/pay for them!
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: noggythenog on 17 February 2015, 07:38:33 pm
Cheers guys, yous really sell the family life so well.


Note to self.......dont have any more :lol


Ive got 2 weeks off soon so i might get the time to do a little more but at the moment it is mainly stocking up via Ebay.


Todays post arrivals:-


Finally the owner of a paddock stand....no more pissing about trying to oul the chain with only a side stand.


And a rivet gun.....just because.......well you know ebay...it was cheap etc :rolleyes


And darra......airhawk cruiser-r......rrp £180.........delivered to my door for £130 8)
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: noggythenog on 23 February 2015, 04:13:47 pm
Got half an hour to myself today, felt like in a panic as if i was in the crystal maze final, frantically grabbing :lol


Anyway, small progress is still progress.


Off with the old scabby hot grips, off with the old scabby bars, spent a while cleaning under where the clamps attach to the yoke, some sort of old disintigrated bush or whatever inside there.....im not a fan of old bush :b ....

got it best i could and ACF'd it up.


Silly question time........are the FZS1000 risers supposed to slant up, or downwards ie bring bars towards or away from the rider or can you choose depending on preference???
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: slimwilly on 23 February 2015, 04:22:26 pm
Going well , good,,


have you found any methods of fork oil change yet ?


i cant seem to find any anywhere

Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: noggythenog on 23 February 2015, 04:24:26 pm
Going well , good,,


have you found any methods of fork oil change yet ?


i cant seem to find any anywhere


Oh foc i jus replied on your other thread


In a nutshell though...no.


Just waiting on a quote from k-tech for some new springs so ill be getting springs and oul at some point.
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: JoeRock on 24 February 2015, 02:14:50 pm
She's getting there!
I am rather jealous of the ability you chaps have to change the bars so easily - it's big bucks for me to get a new set of clipons unfortunately!
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: noggythenog on 24 February 2015, 02:42:25 pm
She's getting there!
I am rather jealous of the ability you chaps have to change the bars so easily - it's big bucks for me to get a new set of clipons unfortunately!


You probably wont be jealous when you see the monstrocitys i put on  :lol
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: slimwilly on 24 February 2015, 05:13:13 pm
They will be great for hanging your paper round bag on in the mornings  :lol




Will you have coloured tassles on the ends of them ? :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
tassles
tassles
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: noggythenog on 24 February 2015, 05:39:52 pm
They will be great for hanging your paper round bag on in the mornings  :lol




Will you have coloured tassles on the ends of them ? :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
tassles
tassles


Hey slim you ant far off there mate


Dya wanna see?
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: noggythenog on 24 February 2015, 06:33:29 pm
Ok foccers.......let the ridicule commence :lol




Actually  just a bit of a mock up at the mo, rather comfy at first stationary try although ill reserve judgement until i get a ride.....certainly be better than those standard things.


I still need to fiddle about with the cables & check lock to lock etc
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: slappy on 24 February 2015, 06:54:59 pm
From the pictures it looks like the mirrors will give a good view of your hands :)
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: noggythenog on 24 February 2015, 07:00:51 pm
From the pictures it looks like the mirrors will give a good view of your hands :)
yeh it looks like that in the picture but i dont recall it being the case when i was on it & sat upright.


It's certainly an extreme look but when i sat on the bike the angle and reach to the bars felt perfectly natural.


The rise is quite a bit more but considering ive dropped it down the yokes and the Fzs risers are lower then the end position isnt too much different.


Ill be interested to rake out some old photos of it in the garden and copy the pics exactly and see the difference.


Worth a try anyway...great thing about being pissed off with an old bike......you can only get so pissed off but fiddling about just maybe make it seem better....could be a waste of time but it's all good fun. 8)
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: Rexr on 25 February 2015, 04:01:55 pm
Mini me ape hangers......are u serious...???
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: noggythenog on 25 February 2015, 08:20:39 pm
Mini me ape hangers......are u serious...???


What's the mini me reference rexr?


Anyway this is the joy of bikes with a little trial and error......admittedly i dont really hold high hopes for them in the end but curiosity just got the better of me & i thought foc it what will i lose...a bit of time and the price of a set of Renthals, small coal really, ill just swap them out for those 755's or whatever that are already proven good'ns.......they are funny looking though, i need to get the bike outta the shed and get them from different angles and with the grips etc etc all fitted.
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: taylor on 25 February 2015, 08:24:11 pm
very nice noggy, cool beans.
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: Rexr on 25 February 2015, 09:06:23 pm
Mini me ape hangers......are u serious...???


What's the mini me reference rexr?


Anyway this is the joy of bikes with a little trial and error......admittedly i dont really hold high hopes for them in the end but curiosity just got the better of me & i thought foc it what will i lose...a bit of time and the price of a set of Renthals, small coal really, ill just swap them out for those 755's or whatever that are already proven good'ns.......they are funny looking though, i need to get the bike outta the shed and get them from different angles and with the grips etc etc all fitted.

Well they are not full fat apes......but mini me apes.....
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: noggythenog on 25 February 2015, 09:13:57 pm
Mini me ape hangers......are u serious...???



Well they are not full fat apes......but mini me apes.....


Ah i see.....said the blind man :lol


For continuity here is a pic of baby apes :b


Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: noggythenog on 26 February 2015, 01:30:53 pm
Carbon yoke cover now on.


Before.







Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: noggythenog on 26 February 2015, 01:38:53 pm





& after with the carbon cover. 8)


Next job was the risers to yoke merge..........different shape to the FZ1 and original have these scabby little rubber inners on the yoke which were being squashed by the FZS risers......so raking about in my bix o bolts n things i found these 2 engine mount caps from my old 600 (noggyfighter still living on with different bikes now).


The caps fit nicely into the recess & a washer underneath plus a washer on the risers has made a nice and flush join....quite happy with that. :)
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: noggythenog on 27 February 2015, 04:42:52 pm
Couple of updated pics.


Things were going quite well, then i cracked the throttle housing by overtightening the top Allen Bolt :'( ......so looks like im gonna be buying another on ebay unless my old 600 one happens to be the same.


Also does anyone know how to fit a Renthal grip over the throttle tube????......looks like a squeeze over and fairy liquid job but i cant see me getting any glue on it it is that tight, am i missing something??? - edit....i just watched ayoutube video where the guy used hairspray and no glue....ill try that me thinks.
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: slappy on 27 February 2015, 06:13:53 pm
I`ve used hairspray a few times on grips, never had any trouble with it not holding firmly!
Use a good quality one because your worth it :D
Actually I used Pantene last time for the professional salon look :D


Seriously though I have used hairspray on both my fazers to fit heated grips and never had a problem with the grips.
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: noggythenog on 27 February 2015, 06:39:16 pm
I`ve used hairspray a few times on grips, never had any trouble with it not holding firmly!
Use a good quality one because your worth it :D
Actually I used Pantene last time for the professional salon look :D


Seriously though I have used hairspray on both my fazers to fit heated grips and never had a problem with the grips.


Cheers!....good to know it works...i think ill go for some Elnette :)


Ive ot official renthal grip glue but it just looks such a tight squeeze that imagine all the glue would just get squeezed out towards the end pmus i think the hairspray acts as a lube...hairspray it is for now.


Ive spat my dummy out ater much searching in my absolute tip of a shed for the throttle housing from my 600......after an hour i find one half of it.....wrong foccing side :( ......ill try tomorrow.....im like a hash head trying to find a bit of lost dope :b
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: noggythenog on 27 February 2015, 07:04:55 pm
YES!!!!!


Ya foccin dancer! Woop woop!


From this pile o 600 gumpf...eventually comes the half of the housing that i need......where was it.....hidden inside the bloody airbox :rolleyes .


Just gotta hope that it is the same piece which it looks to be and redeem my earlier stupidity.
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: slimwilly on 28 February 2015, 08:52:02 am
You may already have this but here it is anyway


http://www.manualslib.com/manual/611157/Yamaha-Fz1-S.html#manual (http://www.manualslib.com/manual/611157/Yamaha-Fz1-S.html#manual)


Complete FZ1s gen 2 Manual
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: noggythenog on 28 February 2015, 09:36:06 am
You may already have this but here it is anyway


[url]http://www.manualslib.com/manual/611157/Yamaha-Fz1-S.html#manual[/url] ([url]http://www.manualslib.com/manual/611157/Yamaha-Fz1-S.html#manual[/url])


Complete FZ1s gen 2 Manual



Cheers Slim :thumbup
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: noggythenog on 28 February 2015, 04:39:41 pm
Not much progress today


Thought my 600 throttle housing was the same but it wasnt so had to venture on ebay...16 foccin quid for my troubles.....that's what i get for not owning torque wrenches.


Sorted out getting rid of the extra messy wiring from the front end from gps and grips etc, cut off the cable tidy bracket on the left side for extra cable clearance on full lock and then started looking at the front tank bolts (sides).......particularly annoying spinny bracket thingies and i can line up 1 side but then the other side is too far out to sit on its bracket so it slides down...most annoying.....i settled with a folded up cloth between the tank and airbox to act as a spacer but although it works perfectly well it looks a tad bodgy so ill maybe get some official looking black sponge glued on or something.


It was foccing cold and windy and then it started raining so i abandoned everything and went to the shops for some Bevvy instead :)
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 28 February 2015, 06:12:05 pm
Do you really need a torque wrench for a couple of throttle housing bolts? Do you have pigs tits for fingers?  :lol
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: noggythenog on 28 February 2015, 06:25:07 pm
Do you really need a torque wrench for a couple of throttle housing bolts? Do you have pigs tits for fingers?  :lol


It would appear that i do :\ ....didnt want it being too loose


Maybe it was just brittle...brittle bike syndrome :\
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: slimwilly on 28 February 2015, 06:36:50 pm
I won't suck on any pigs tits anymore :o


Makes me feel sick :lol
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: noggythenog on 20 March 2015, 10:13:06 pm
Some new goodies have arrived in noggy HQ


All the gear, no idea springs to mind :lol
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: brooker81 on 21 March 2015, 07:00:52 am
Oooohhh. Nice
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: Falcon 269 on 21 March 2015, 07:53:38 am
Beware the torque wrench.  Seriously, it'll give you a false sense of security if you don't have any feel for what is right and what is too tight.  Too tight as in 'oh, shit, it's stripped the thread'.

Small fasteners require a light touch.  Never use more than a light grip and tighten with fingers, maybe some wrist but never elbow or arm.  If you're using a spanner or wrench, hold it close to the working parts, not out at the end where torque effort is magnified.

It's all about feel and mechanical empathy, Grasshopper.  :)
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: noggythenog on 21 March 2015, 08:36:04 am
Beware the torque wrench.  Seriously, it'll give you a false sense of security if you don't have any feel for what is right and what is too tight.  Too tight as in 'oh, shit, it's stripped the thread'.

Small fasteners require a light touch.  Never use more than a light grip and tighten with fingers, maybe some wrist but never elbow or arm.  If you're using a spanner or wrench, hold it close to the working parts, not out at the end where torque effort is magnified.

It's all about feel and mechanical empathy, Grasshopper.  :)


It runs in the family to be too harsh with tightening, my old man was a fitter/turner back in the day and was used to more larger stuff, his yam mechanic mate told him he'd be cheaper long term coming to him rather than breaking everything he touches :lol ......seems im the same.....i just have a fear of stuff coming undone at speed so ive now got a small range wrench and a high range for the bigger jobs.


Stunning day today i hope to get some stuff done on the bike fingers crossed.


Cheers for the tips mr Falcon, may seem obvious to some but thats the kind of help i need since im an office jockey by trade. 8)
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: noggythenog on 21 March 2015, 06:24:15 pm
Bit of a foc around today.


Took me ages just to figure out how to get my snapped throttle cable off......the bottom cable is so awkward at the throttle body side...i had to do it from the right hand side but the gubbings for it was the opposite side an basically shrouded by stuff, no room to move or see....eventually poked it out but ill need some divine powers to get the new one back on again....the cable was frayed in roughly the same place that the other one snapped...not quite sure if that is age and wear & tear or if it has been stretched.


I then attacked these connectors with contact cleaner & dielectric grease.


Took my rear fender off and was gonna replace it with my carbon one but then i noticed that the small brake cable hose and another one could do with a lick of paint so ill do that first.


Basically wasted allot o time with that bloody throttle cable though.
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: noggythenog on 21 March 2015, 07:00:20 pm
Gratuitous pic :b


Also can anyone confirm that even if i have to buy a special gadget that i can still oil my throttle cable perfectly easily when it is all connected up???....i just cant be arsed pissing about wasting time trying to figure out oiling it now on the cheap so if i can manage to fit the cable to orrow by some miracle then ill splash out for an oiling tool another time.
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: noggythenog on 22 March 2015, 06:06:33 pm

I have had the biggest ballache going today. Spent a long time just trying to feed the new throttle cables through the space behind the radiator, blind as usual of course. Then it was time to get the cables onto the throttle body pulley.


A whole day later, sore fingers, a walk on the beach with the dog to stop me pouring petrol over the bike & sparking it up & i think i've got somewhere. Im not sure though, i cant quite believe that it is done but i wanted to come inside for the night with positive feelings.


The top cable was ok to do....ish....still lots of bending the cable end round on itself to slip into the nick before going into the hole, still finger achingly fiddly.


The bottom one is a device straight from satans arse hole. 100 times i must have tried it, honestly my finger tips are stinging just typing on my ipad. Say one thing about me say im bloody stubborn & i honestly dont know how i managed it in the end (thats why i cant quite believe i have done it).


The pics show how tight it is, you cant really move your hand due to the frame crossmember above it. You extend the wire as much as poss & then basically fumble in the dark like some kind of evil fairground prize game. The end went in the hole loads of times but wasnt inside the nick which incidentally you couldnt actually see either so as soon as you moved it would jump out of the hole again. The space also isnt big enough to get a finger down inside so you cant really just push it in from behind.


Evil evil evil evil evil




Next to do is connect up throttle grip side & then learn how to adjust the cables, only then will i believe.



Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: noggythenog on 22 March 2015, 06:07:42 pm
Done..........i hope :\
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: taylor on 22 March 2015, 09:01:18 pm
nice one noggy well done,  looks like a lot of head work. :eek
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: noggythenog on 23 March 2015, 05:17:41 pm
Easier job today, fitted this petrol cap, a bit OTT but o well.......think ill get some black bolts for it to dumb it down a bit :)
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 23 March 2015, 06:00:21 pm
Noggy, can I make a small suggestion? Why not have your second thoughts before you buy stuff?

Just an idea... :lol
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: noggythenog on 23 March 2015, 06:22:10 pm
Noggy, can I make a small suggestion? Why not have your second thoughts before you buy stuff?

Just an idea... :lol


Nick this isnt actually a petrol cap...its a teaching aid.......it has tought me that i need a black one with a silver inner and gold bolts :lol .......this one will get relegated to the bits for future bikes or the noggy shop :rolleyes
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 23 March 2015, 06:37:48 pm
It's a steep ol' learning curve ain't it  :rolleyes 

Safer to just not buy anything and be a cheapskate like me :lol
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: brooker81 on 23 March 2015, 07:54:27 pm
Yeah u should have got the rizoma one. Do u like it noggy it's a tad on the bling side.
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: noggythenog on 23 March 2015, 08:13:45 pm
Yeah u should have got the rizoma one. Do u like it noggy it's a tad on the bling side.


I dont think i do like it but im gonna wait until all the other gubbings are on it before i make a final decision.....it would look better on a black tank....subsequently i have a black tank sat up in the spare room because my red one is a tad rusty.......but i cant see that a black tank would look ok on the bike....or would it?....perhaps.....too many decisions.


But anyway if that petrol cap does my head in whe all is done then a black one it is......not at Rizoma prices though im afraid. :\



Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: noggythenog on 24 March 2015, 10:33:57 am

ordered a black cap now :b
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: slimwilly on 24 March 2015, 08:54:06 pm
you forgot to trim you secondary throttle flies,,,go on ,,,,do it man :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: noggythenog on 24 March 2015, 09:12:50 pm
you forgot to trim you secondary throttle flies,,,go on ,,,,do it man :lol :lol :lol


Im not too sure about that mod slim, and what the foc dya trim them with anyway?.......think ill leave it for now anyway as i want to test out the mods one by one to notice any difference, ill run it a little while as is and then add the power commander and then add whatever else after that.


Anyway we all know my bike wont start in the first place  after all this :b
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: slappy on 24 March 2015, 09:24:53 pm
http://www.yamahafz1oa.com/forum/showthread.php?t=75850&highlight=throttle+cable (http://www.yamahafz1oa.com/forum/showthread.php?t=75850&highlight=throttle+cable)


Bit late I know but but saw this on the American forum whilst browsing, might help you next time you replace the throttle cables. :)
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: noggythenog on 24 March 2015, 10:01:52 pm
Slappy good shout there 8) ...........glad im not the only one that found this an absolute arse of a job.




Heres a copy & paste a bit further down from one of the comments on that site:-


I also had a rubber screwdriver handle jamming open the pulley but that was for the top cable......im a bit worried about this guys description of routing the bottom cable though, perhaps im struggling to understand his description but he refers to routing either left or right side of the wheel......as far as i could fathom there is only one way and that is coming from the front wheel direction towards the back wheel direction ie the direction the cable is pointing from where it clamps before the cable end then coming out and going underneath the pulley wheel before popping into the hole by coming towards you as you stand by the bike..........the bit that worries me is his description at the end because that seems to be the best description for what i did.

Quote I had originally thought I could bring the cable end up on the right side of the wheel, but if you do this, you can connect it, but the cable cannot go back to its proper run due to an obstruction. End quote





Quote
Hi mtn.fz,Thanks for your help.I've had a PM asking for more detail, so I'll add what I can.To get the bottom (return cable) connected, 1 person had to hold the wheel that the cable ends slot into, in the throttle wide open position by jammng a big screw driver against it. Then the other person fed the end of the cable up the left side of the wheel (near the rear of the wheel looking towards the front tyre), then bent the cable back down to slip into the slot using a pair of long nose pliers. Then route the cable to where it should go before gradually easing the wheel back to throttle closed position. Do not just let the wheel go or you may damage the cable if it is not routed properly.It's still difficult but it is possible. It still took us a couple of hours after we had determined the plan.I had originally thought I could bring the cable end up on the right side of the wheel, but if you do this, you can connect it, but the cable cannot go back to its proper run due to an obstruction.end quote










Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: nickodemon on 24 March 2015, 11:50:02 pm
That sounds like fun.... NOT ;)
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: JoeRock on 25 March 2015, 01:38:24 pm
Would it not be significantly easier to just take the throttle bodies off the engine so you can route the cables easily?
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: noggythenog on 25 March 2015, 02:26:18 pm
Would it not be significantly easier to just take the throttle bodies off the engine so you can route the cables easily?

in theory if you are a mechanic then yep but for me I wasn't chancing messing it all up by tampering with things outside my scope, to even attempt the cable was a bold jump for me and I read on other forum posts about other bikes about taking off throttle bodies but I didn't quite know how the mechanism worked and theres allot of tension on this throttle pulley arm thingy that the cable goes onto with the other side snapping back quite ferociously...I didn't want to dismantle something under that kind of tension and it just release itself all over the place and be in a million bits and pieces :o
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: noggythenog on 23 April 2015, 07:52:55 pm
Felt like i should update this thread since i started it.....fair to say i had all good intentions & things havent always gone to plan but im half way there.


To summarise my thoughts......the bike is never gonna be a minter....all thesemega clean bikes you see...it just isnt one...but it looks good at first glance & lets face it...its done 40k & been thrashed & is from 2008.....so long as it works now is my main concern.


Even on this sprucing up mission ive ended up breaking more than ive fixed......throttle cable snapping on me wasnt very nice & im chuffed i have a nice new one fitted at last.....that was a learning curve.


Then ive had the bike topple over on me while fitting the jack up.....stupid boy pike :lol ......more lessons learned.


Fitting these monkey hanger renthals was a mission in itself.


But im getting there slowly......i like the feel of the Renthals, the new grips & the jack up kit.


I like the aesthetics of the jack up & the gold handlebars and the way the whole yoke area looks much more tidy and cleared of all the shitty wires that were dangling around with black tape previously.


At first glance with the jack up i seem to have much more clearance under the belly pan even though ive dropped the yokes down the forks again.


I've got a way to go yet but at the end of the day ive learned & it's still enjoyable in a strange way.



Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: devilsyam on 23 April 2015, 08:02:54 pm
needs r1 forks n six pots
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 24 April 2015, 11:00:27 am
Hey Noggy, bike looks cleaner than mine. I've given up worrying about having an immaculate bike with mine. Just haven't got the tools and facilities to do it at the moment. I prefer to just get on it and ride it, which is why I really bought it.

So, why not, erm, GET ON IT AND RIDE IT?!  :lol

Luke, wouldn't it be a better idea with the gen 2 to get the suspension sorted by one of the reputable suspension firms - mine with the K-Tech internals is surely a better front end than a straight R1 swap, and the gen 2 is already USDs, so less flex than RWU forks?
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: devilsyam on 24 April 2015, 11:42:42 am
The 07 on fork are pretty much top of the line as far as factory forks go
Personally on these sending them to the tuning houses will b overkill as over fz1 or gen 1 forks there a quantum leap
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: noggythenog on 24 April 2015, 01:32:33 pm
Hmmmm...ride it.....now there's a novel idea :lol


You're right though...coz if i dont get it on the road soon there'll be no pint until next year....i think new fork springs will be on hold til next year...slim has kindly offered to help me out with them but i think ill be thankful enough this year if the thing just starts and runs plus i still got the mot to get through.
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 24 April 2015, 02:49:44 pm
Hmmmm...ride it.....now there's a novel idea :lol


You're right though...coz if i dont get it on the road soon there'll be no pint until next year....i think new fork springs will be on hold til next year...slim has kindly offered to help me out with them but i think ill be thankful enough this year if the thing just starts and runs plus i still got the mot to get through.

That's it. You've got a bike. It may not be perfect in your eyes, but it's a perfectly useable bike. Go out and enjoy it for what it is.
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: slimwilly on 24 April 2015, 10:02:01 pm
Yes Noggy, come on,,lets meet up at Landovery Café,,have cake, go up towards Builth and turn left and go up the Devils staircase and back round towards your gaff.

Well ?

well ?


well ?
Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: noggythenog on 26 April 2015, 04:17:18 pm
Tediously slowly im getting there.


Revealed my chain & sprocket. 8)


Tightened up the suspension bolts using my new torque wrench. 8)


Decided to replace the brake res cap as it was tacky with "fz1" on it........went to put my plain silver pro bolt one on......1 of the little allen screws turned to mush (not exactly chea that pro bolt shit)....now im not sure if that side is tight enough...seen some leakage earlier so have wiped down and will check again to see.


Back to work tomorrow but my nxt days off will reveal whether she starts up ok.



Title: Re: Sprucing up the old FZ1
Post by: slimwilly on 27 April 2015, 06:42:02 am
Well Noggy, I hope we are not all too old  or all crashed to  ride with you when you finally push it out of the gates
 :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

Nick will get back on soon I hope and we can get a mid Wales meetup, may even bring a cake :lol :lol :lol

Well it will be a party on more than one part.