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General => General => Topic started by: noggythenog on 24 January 2015, 05:53:58 pm
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that is all
Im a man of few words
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by clip ons do you mean the pedals?
If so you can get clip in pedals for all bikes. for road bikes the clip helps on the up stroke of each rotation. Not sure if that makes sense?
Basicly makes it easier to pedal. They can also be used on mountain bikes, I find when riding trails having my feet attached makes moving the bike around much easier than not.
But then each to their own.
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Because otherwise they'd have strap ons ....... :eek
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by clip ons do you mean the pedals?
If so you can get clip in pedals for all bikes. for road bikes the clip helps on the up stroke of each rotation. Not sure if that makes sense?
Basicly makes it easier to pedal. They can also be used on mountain bikes, I find when riding trails having my feet attached makes moving the bike around much easier than not.
But then each to their own.
Sorry pal im on about clip on handlebars on road going motorbikes
Good answer though :b
You're spoiling my venture of few words now :lol
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Because otherwise they'd have strap ons ....... :eek
:lol
That was a simillar thread i had saved up, are strap ons comfy while riding then are they Mtread???
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by clip ons do you mean the pedals?
If so you can get clip in pedals for all bikes. for road bikes the clip helps on the up stroke of each rotation. Not sure if that makes sense?
Basicly makes it easier to pedal. They can also be used on mountain bikes, I find when riding trails having my feet attached makes moving the bike around much easier than not.
But then each to their own.
Sorry pal im on about clip on handlebars on road going motorbikes
Good answer though :b
You're spoiling my venture of few words now :lol
Well now i feel embarrassed. :o
never heard of clip on handlebars though?
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Man of few words!? Who are you?! What have you done with the real Noggy?! Imposter!
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Because otherwise they'd have strap ons ....... :eek
:lol
That was a simillar thread i had saved up, are strap ons comfy while riding then are they Mtread???
Thought u would know about strapon's Nogster...
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/01/24/4405a579f7559c89265a38cef8074891.jpg)
Even Red98 is laffin at u :-))
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ecause otherwise they'd have strap ons .......
If it works, who am I to judge ;)
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5578/15276322412_0fcac24ee4_b.jpg)
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Man of few words!? Who are you?! What have you done with the real Noggy?! Imposter!
No
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Because otherwise they'd have strap ons ....... :eek
:lol
That was a simillar thread i had saved up, are strap ons comfy while riding then are they Mtread???
Thought u would know about strapon's Nogster...
([url]http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/01/24/4405a579f7559c89265a38cef8074891.jpg[/url])
Even Red98 is laffin at u :-))
Hi Betty
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by clip ons do you mean the pedals?
If so you can get clip in pedals for all bikes. for road bikes the clip helps on the up stroke of each rotation. Not sure if that makes sense?
Basicly makes it easier to pedal. They can also be used on mountain bikes, I find when riding trails having my feet attached makes moving the bike around much easier than not.
But then each to their own.
Sorry pal im on about clip on handlebars on road going motorbikes
Good answer though :b
You're spoiling my venture of few words now :lol
Well now i feel embarrassed. :o
never heard of clip on handlebars though?
Ha ha no worries, im green too, thats why i ask the bike maestros
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It is a serious question though
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Talking to someone that sat on a gsxr1000 K5 with it's strap ons removed it was actually really comfy
So why fit them
Are they just for track
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The idea is to get you tucked in with your weight forward over the front wheel. Mostly for track and sports applications.
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Clip ons, ace bars, do the same thing really, as nick has said.......you know that mr nog.......
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Red98 laugh at the nogster....never........well not much ...
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Lol..... U can either ride the bike or not....no amount of addons will compensate for your inability .....bling is one thing....riding is another.....
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Ah cool that explains it, it's just something ive never actually known for sure. Only ridden one bike with clip ons, my mates gsxr600 & it was weird, i was crouched up like a sleeping hedgehog on that thing it was painful.I had guessed a small part was aerodynamics.I thought that the narrow bars would be quicker to turn, like a sports car with a tiny lock to lock, so more precise.But im sure ive heard that this smaller lever mixed with the correct frequency of road speed and tarmac can cause tank slappers......& once clip ons start tank thrashing you cant stop them.I hadnt realised that weight over the front would come into it, makes sense now.I jus wonder why most road riders have them considering the perceived pitfalls & as the Tuono & Mt09 show you can have a sports bike with wide bars on the roads & go quick & i see that lots of guys install the top yoke with wide bars conversion to their sports bikes.But if weight on the front wheel comes into it so much then surely installing the wide bars and risers would stop you putting down the weight & make the bike set up totally useless.
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Clip-ons were first used on race bikes in the early 50's when telescopic forks became the thing to have. Naturally they soon became fashionable with the cafe racer set. I fitted some to my 650c.c. B.S.A. Gold Flash in the early 60's before I progressed to a 500c.c. Gold Star which came with them as a standard option and was sold as a clubman racer. Both great bikes at the time. :)
History lesson over.
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It's the only thing I don't like about Fazers and similar. You can't get your weight over the front for fast cornering, to get the front wheel properly "planted". Well, a focced arm means I can't use those sorts of bars anyway, but when I get a hustle on, it's the one thing that annoys me about an upright riding position.
The clip-on style goes back a long way Noggy. On the original 50s cafe racers it was the way to go. In the 70s and early 80s, folk used to fit Ace bars, clip-ons, and Jota bars were popular for their adjustability (from the Laverda Jota).
The manufacturers built little other than sports bikes after the first GSXRs hit the streets - they were designed using things learned from race bikes, and thank God that period is over; there was just race replica after race replica all through the 90s :z Don't get me wrong, these were the flagship models where technology was developed, but at least nowadays we have some variety.
Beaten to it by Mr. limax, so there's a bit more detail for you.
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Evening nick.....you've got an R6 shock on your thou, this must help to put a bit more weight on the front, stiffer spring and all that, have you ever had the standard shock on it to compare ?
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This is good shit cheers chaps. :thumbup
I dont like the poxy flat bar things on my FZ1 and id rather have proper renthals with a bit of an upwards rise.....not risers, i mean the bars themslves.
These flat bars are neither one or the other as they dont seem to give proper leverage as wide bars should because of the position of them yet neither do they allow for the crouch.
I have to force myself into a crouch with them & although i didnt quite click the reason why (i thought it just made a favourable bend in my elbow for cornering) when i do force the crouch i notice i can corner really well so it all makes sense now.......it just is t natural enough to sustain on my bike yet i can see that some bikes are designed so that you are always in the crouch whether you like it or not....although why the foc they have to have these mahoosive fuel tanks that hold nothing yet stop the crouch???
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Paul, Luke dropped the bike on the forks by 10mm at the same time he fitted the shock, so not sure which made more difference, but still find myself trying to pull myself over the front to no avail. An upright riding position just isn't the same thing as a full-on sports riding position, but that's what I'm stuck with. S'okay though, I can live with it - comfort is more important to me these days, as I'm sure many on here understand :) Just illustrating to Noggy what that riding position is about.
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Yeh, understand that nick, iam not getting any younger, pushing 40, and comfort is no1 ...but every now and again I want to push things along a bit, little bit of a twisty road ahead , bit more throttle and haul the heavy thou about a bit.ive got an R6 shock waiting to go on and I will try dropping the forks, its got to make these bike better at everything, be interesting to see what difference it makes...........anyway back to topic , clipons dont clipon.......they bolt on ..........
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Pushing 40 into a distant memory eh :lol
Noggy, a lot of the space under the big fuel tanks on sports bikes is often largely taken up by the airbox. The fuel is generally held low down for weight distribution/centre of gravity reasons (although you can go too low with C of G on bikes - it's more a race car thing really, as the 500 GP boys found out when the designers of some of those consulted with car people and it focced the handling right up.
Paul, dropping the bike on the forks definitely quickens the steering a bit, and without much loss in stability - well, not till around max chat anyway :evil The shock just makes it all so much better with handling the bumpy bits without the whole plot getting completely out of shape, everything more settled and controlled - much, much better. Well worth it.
Oh dear, have we hijacked Noggy's thread? What a shame :lol
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I dropped my yolks & scraped my bellypan.........& raised them back again :lol
So a lighter bike or a smaller lighter bike........it can counter the ill effects of not having "bolt ons" ;) then can it because the comparative weight of the rider & the bike means that it is more planted at the front on corners without fancy bolt ons can it?
But as a bike gets heavier & carries more weight into a corner then it becomes more important for the rider to be heavier to componsate because you want that corner weight going down & not forward & into a hedge & unless you're on the pies like me then crouching or bolt ons are the way of adding weight......is that correct???
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If we've established clip ons are for sports bikes to get weight over the front wheel to give better handling an aerodynamics for track / sport use, I have a new question.
Who the foc decided to fit them as standard to the Suzuki GS500e? First thing I got rid of when my dad gave me his old project bike. That's like fitting an F1 rear wing to a Citroen Saxo
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As I've said before - a lot of sport touring bikes have them as well because they're more comfortable over distance - you can get tucked down more behind the fairing, and you get a much better balance between your feet, and ass/back -the wind lifts you up a bit so there's no weight on your wrists!
Personal preference - I prefer the riding position of sports bikes, find it comfier than upright bikes. Also find it easier to ride quickly with them. That said, for dickabout riding flat bars have their benefits - my dad's FZ1 pulled bloody brilliant wheelies with that engine and you being sat so far back and up!
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That was a simillar thread i had saved up, are strap ons comfy while riding then are they Mtread???
I can sell you one, so you can find out for yourself... :b
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these look nice?
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Noggy what happened to a man of few words; )
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If I recall Eddie Lawson managed fine without
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If I recall Eddie Lawson managed fine without
Seem to remember he made good use of them on the YZRs ;)
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just skimmed this, :z
has any body mentioned headstock trail rake angles ?
http://www.tonyfoale.com/Articles/RakeEx/RakeEx.htm (http://www.tonyfoale.com/Articles/RakeEx/RakeEx.htm)
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just skimmed this, :z
has any body mentioned headstock trail rake angles ?
[url]http://www.tonyfoale.com/Articles/RakeEx/RakeEx.htm[/url] ([url]http://www.tonyfoale.com/Articles/RakeEx/RakeEx.htm[/url])
Thanks Razgruff
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I wonder is the suzuki intruder a strap on?
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If I recall Eddie Lawson managed fine without
Seem to remember he made good use of them on the YZRs ;)
And on his Z 1000 !
The American Superbike class race bikes in the late 70's/early 80's didn't have clip on's and iirc messers Cooley, Cooley, Spencer, Lawson, Rainey and co didn't have any problems making them go round corners quickly :-)
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If I recall Eddie Lawson managed fine without
Seem to remember he made good use of them on the YZRs ;)
And on his Z 1000 !
The American Superbike class race bikes in the late 70's/early 80's didn't have clip on's and iirc messers Cooley, Cooley, Spencer, Lawson, Rainey and co didn't have any problems making them go round corners quickly :-)
Spencer, Lawson et al came from dirt tracking, with "normal" handlebars, where drifting was the technique needed. They adapted that style first to the superbikes:
(http://i1291.photobucket.com/albums/b550/nicknicklxs/Spencerdriftsit_zpsf84ea6ad.jpg) (http://s1291.photobucket.com/user/nicknicklxs/media/Spencerdriftsit_zpsf84ea6ad.jpg.html)
and then to the GP 500s. But if straight bars are so good for speed, why does no one use them in MotoGP, road racing, BSB, WSB etc? Just because talented riders can manage with one thing, it doesn't mean they can't do better with something different.