Post by: Gingernutz on 07 December 2014, 03:29:54 pm
My foxeye 600 is nearing the end of her life (60K miles). I've been given some cash and am thinking about trading up. Options are
FZ1
BMW K1200R
CBF1000
Triumph Tiger
The BMW K1200R is a bit random but like the look of them and on paper is what I need (commute 15K year 3-4K of pleasure riding. Must take hard luggage)
Whatcha reckon?
Post by: stevierst on 07 December 2014, 04:05:15 pm
Cbf1000 is a gentle Fazer thou alternative, a good do it all bike that is a bit budget really. (A mate at work has an 08 that's going very ginger!)
The Beemer is a full on tourer that can boogie when you want it to, but not as reliable as you think! Very comfy though
The tiger is quirky but comfy. Had one for about 5 months bit soon found out that they need suspension upgrades from stock. The engine is fantastic especially when you tweek it a little.
There are others that will do all you ask.
Fazer thou maybe?
Post by: Tmation on 07 December 2014, 04:41:21 pm
The Beemer is a full on tourer that can boogie when you want it to, but not as reliable as you think! Very comfy though(https://s3.amazonaws.com/tapatalk-emoji/emoji5.png)
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I think you may be getting your BMW's mixed up, the K1200R is the 4 cylinder naked and BMW luggage is semi soft expandable. The R1200RT is the boxer tourer and K1200RT is the 4 cylinder tourer.
How far is your daily commute each way? All year round rain and shine, snow and salt?
Personally, if I was doing lots of commuting I would want a big fairing, shaft drive and heated grips.
You might get a BMW800 for that sort of money.
Post by: Gingernutz on 07 December 2014, 04:44:02 pm
Yup its the naked one I was looking at.
1400 miles a month on average - not looked much at the BMW800 - off to read a few reviews and look at used prices
Post by: stevierst on 07 December 2014, 04:50:00 pm
How's about an
Aprilia futura?
Bandit 1200s?
VFR 800?
CB1300s?
Post by: BIG MAC on 07 December 2014, 05:22:28 pm
Post by: slimwilly on 07 December 2014, 05:28:41 pm
Post by: griff86 on 07 December 2014, 06:18:10 pm
I fancy one but I want to keep my 600.
The triumph tiger is nice, I work in a bike shop and get to test ride many different bikes and I enjoyed the 800 one lately.
Post by: stevierst on 07 December 2014, 06:23:32 pm
Bimota sb6r,
GSX750 inazuma,
Rgv250,
KTM 990 supermoto
Etc......
Etc......
Etc......
I can only dream.
Post by: richfzs on 07 December 2014, 06:34:33 pm
With a different screen (I'm experimenting with laminar lips at present) , it does get a lot better.
I ain't saying scratch it from your list, just be prepared to spend time & cash experimenting to get a screen setup that works for you.
(I do enjoy riding the fjrs, rocket ships!)
Post by: lew600fazer on 07 December 2014, 06:41:34 pm
If you want a very good 1000 bike for touring and commuting you should be able to get a very good CBF1000 GT model fully fared and with top box and panniers.
I had one for 2.5 years and toured France several times.
The only issues with the CBF Mk 1 is there have been a few stator failures and Honda have increased the warranty on that item for 7 years. Also another niggle is the OEM screen as you may, depending on your height and build. I fitted an MRA screen and for me it was fine. To be honest the OEM is not as bad as some make out it is a frigging motorbike after all, if you do not like the wind on you face get a car :lol
Check out this forum they are a friendly lot www.cbf1000.com (http://www.cbf1000.com)
Just been on the CBF forum. how would this fit
Due to storage problems I am looking to sell my biffer.
2009 model in Silver she has only 6000 miles on her. Immaculate condition, one small scratch on the fairing. Full givi luggage, hugger and wired for battery optimiser.
MOT July 2015, Tax Nov 2014.
This is virtually a new bike. I am looking for £3750.
This may be out of your budget but gives you an idea.
This is seriously in pristine condition. I am selling my much loved black CBF1000GT which was a summer toy and its a shame that it does not get used much and spends it life in the garage. I bought it brand new from Dobles in March 2011
MOT till March 2015
12000 miles
FSH
It comes with the full luggage system, optimate connection, Crash Bungs,RAM mount and Aqua Box for Sat NAV, 12V Connector, MRA after market screen, starcom intercom system and rear hugger.
£4950 for all this is a total bargain
Give me a call on 07711 698879 or send me an email at w_watchman@hotmail.com
Cheers
Will Watchman
Edenbridge
Kent
(http://www.cbf1000.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=17858.0;attach=11937;image) (http://www.cbf1000.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=17858.0;attach=11936;image)
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Post by: stevierst on 07 December 2014, 06:55:09 pm
Post by: Mick-H on 07 December 2014, 07:26:55 pm
Post by: noggythenog on 07 December 2014, 09:37:49 pm
Are these CBF1000's simillar to a Gen 1 then.....or is a Gen 1 a bit more sporty?
Post by: BIG MAC on 07 December 2014, 09:52:58 pm
Post by: BIG MAC on 07 December 2014, 09:57:33 pm
Post by: stevierst on 07 December 2014, 10:07:41 pm
Yeah, they're a bit more like a torquey Fazer 600, not quite as much zing as the Fazer thou.
Are these CBF1000's simillar to a Gen 1 then.....or is a Gen 1 a bit more sporty?
Post by: noggythenog on 07 December 2014, 10:09:05 pm
Ask Bob Brown he reckons his is like an FZS600 but with 1000cc oomph
Just had a look at reviews........so utterly capable and enjoyable bike.....just a little bit dull looking.
Post by: lew600fazer on 07 December 2014, 10:24:09 pm
The CBF 1000, bangs out just short of 100bhp. I have never owned a TDM so cannot comment on that.I have read a few reviews and sounds like a good option. If you like 4 pots and low down torque the CBF will tick your box. I think the FZ600 S1/S2 would show the CBF1000 a clean pair of heels, in top end speed and certainly on twisties.
I do at times think about off loading the FZ1 and mnoving back to a CBF but still enjoy the buzz of the FZ1.
If I was in your shoes just needing transport and something to tour on,good grunt the CBF 1000 Mk 1 is well in your budget. If you can stretch a bit more the Mk 2 CBF is a goer as well. Just do not expect them to be hanging onto the Fazer range of bikes.
Post by: Gingernutz on 07 December 2014, 10:29:37 pm
Trev you still thinking about flogging your S2??
There may be a delay now anyway as it appears a new sofa would be nice. At this rate it will be this time next year .......
Post by: Aegis Bearing Mel on 07 December 2014, 10:34:20 pm
There may be a delay now anyway as it appears a new sofa would be nice. At this rate it will be this time next year .......
Didn't even see a Goldwing on your list...
Post by: BIG MAC on 07 December 2014, 10:57:02 pm
Post by: lew600fazer on 07 December 2014, 11:02:09 pm
On a dyno my CBF1000 Gt never got above 97 bhp , top end was 135 GPS speed, My FZ600 S2N was top end 140 and me being a fat bastard.
Will concide the CBF around town and touring was a much user friendly bike. If we are lokking for a value bike for all round day to day use , the CBF 1000, is a good option along with the TDM as mentioned though have never ridden a TDM
Post by: Mick-H on 08 December 2014, 06:33:05 am
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/bike-reviews/yamaha/tdm900/2002/ (http://www.motorcyclenews.com/bike-reviews/yamaha/tdm900/2002/)
Post by: BBROWN1664 on 08 December 2014, 08:47:08 am
Post by: stevierst on 08 December 2014, 09:19:14 am
It was comfy, returned 47mpg regardless of how you rode it, and wasn't the best on the bends, but if your mile munching, then it was OK. A bit erm, boring really! The 900's are supposed to be a little different though. Got shut of mine rather quickly!!!
Post by: JoeRock on 08 December 2014, 10:58:18 am
Being slightly less practical, but still pretty practical: A late, very clean ZX9R, with extra money paying to upgrade the suspension.
Being much less practical, a ZX10R/R1/GSXR1000/CBR1000RR from around 2004-2006 ish!
Post by: Oldgit on 08 December 2014, 01:38:27 pm
Post by: richfzs on 08 December 2014, 03:12:20 pm
Post by: bigralphie on 08 December 2014, 04:38:20 pm
Post by: stevierst on 08 December 2014, 04:39:05 pm
one of the most reliable bikes in the world I believe-Try telling that to our mechanics at work about the fleet of BMW's and they'd happily stick a steel toecap where the sun don't shine!
And my mate at work with his 13 plate Gs1200 that keeps leaking!
I'll stick with my Jap bikes thanks. About 1/4 million miles covered, and never had a Jap bike let me down! My Aprilia was a different matter though
Post by: bigralphie on 08 December 2014, 04:52:45 pm
when I was looking at a K1300S a guy having his shaft drive fixed for the 2nd time advised never own one without a warranty
Post by: griff86 on 08 December 2014, 07:02:58 pm
[/quote]
Try telling that to our mechanics at work about the fleet of BMW's and they'd happily stick a steel toecap where the sun don't shine!
And my mate at work with his 13 plate Gs1200 that keeps leaking!
I'll stick with my Jap bikes thanks. About 1/4 million miles covered, and never had a Jap bike let me down! My Aprilia was a different matter though
[/quote]
Totally agree about Bmw, they were known to be reliable a long time ago but now they are just awful. My local dealership is booked up with constant warranty work. If it's not the 'wonder wheel' switch gear going every few months, it's engines being replaced, front shock bushes, etc. the list of warranty issues is pretty much endless to be honest.
Post by: BIG MAC on 08 December 2014, 10:34:38 pm
Post by: Robbie8666 on 09 December 2014, 09:36:59 am
oh but because its over the year old its out of warranty!!!!
WTF I said but they did accept that it should not have failed even in that short space of time and replaced it free but had to wait for parts.. plus i got a GS as a loaner till it was fixed. but that was down to dealership rather than BMW itself!
personally for £3500 I'd go for a triumph or VFR, thats what I'm looking at getting next september to replace my Fazer
Post by: Slaninar on 09 December 2014, 09:46:47 am
My foxeye 600 is nearing the end of her life (60K miles). I've been given some cash and am thinking about trading up. Options are
None of those bigger bikes is better for commuting, nor is 60k the end of a Fazer's life.
I also heard that when looking for a new bike, riders are not really looking for bigger, stronger, just for a different way of weight transfer when accelerating/braking/cornering. Just a theory from a friend, not 100% sure.
For 3500, 2nd hand, there should be plenty to choose.
Post by: JoeRock on 09 December 2014, 10:45:35 am
I hankered after a ZX9R for a while...they are more comfy than they look
Quite regularly do 200 mile fun blasts on mine with no issues, and I've done 300+ miles in one sitting (well, stopping for petrol half way) a few times now without any issue. Find mine a lot more comfy to ride than a Fazer for long distances too - nice big fairing (for a sports bike), and an excellent riding position balancing your legs, knees, back and wrist makes it a very good long distance bike. Plus, being a 900cc Kwak sports bike, you can do the distances quickly too :lol
Post by: stevierst on 09 December 2014, 12:15:58 pm
Post by: noggythenog on 09 December 2014, 02:33:12 pm
Hey Gingernutz.........have you seen the light yet and cancelled that couch order?..........at the end of the day you will have buyers guilt about ten minutes after sitting on a couch whereas a new bike will continue to please for years.
What'll it be?
Post by: Gingernutz on 09 December 2014, 03:42:06 pm
Must say not look at a Hornet
Must say not look at a Hornet..................
I am embarrassed to say I like the new ones and they do 62mpg - mick has brainwashed me
Post by: locksmith on 09 December 2014, 03:50:45 pm
I cant even say the word :lol
Post by: JoeRock on 09 December 2014, 05:35:52 pm
Must say not look at a Hornet
Must say not look at a Hornet
Must say not look at a Hornet..................
I am embarrassed to say I like the new ones and they do 62mpg - mick has brainwashed me
Which model hornet are you talking about mate - there was the original underseat CB600, using the CBR600f engine, then there was a new version (no underseat, using the engine from the CBR600RR) - none of those will do 62mpg unless you're on a very, very long straight run at about 60mph. The newer bike, what I think you mean isn't a hornet - did you mean the 650 model? If so, I'd get an older one tbh - compared to even the original hornet it feels a bit gutless, and its got budget suspension and brakes too (although does look okay at least!). My hornet preference would either be an 05/06 ish last model underseat model, with the USD forks, or the last proper 600cc hornet!
Post by: Gingernutz on 09 December 2014, 08:22:45 pm
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/bike-reviews/honda/cb600f-hornet/2007/ (http://www.motorcyclenews.com/bike-reviews/honda/cb600f-hornet/2007/)
Hmm 2006 had a 17l tank and 41 mpg and a tank range of 150
2007 has 19 l tank and 62 mpg - so in theory should go 225 and have 2 litre left - but mcn say 140 miles ffs
Guess it's time to find a more reliable review!
Post by: JoeRock on 10 December 2014, 11:39:32 am
They are right on both tank sizes, but the hornet has a "spine" style frame - and the tank sits over both sides. Basically means there's about 3/4l in the tank you won't be able to use, so the tank size is effectively about 12/13 on the older hornet and 15/16 on the newer. They're not that efficient either, you really won't get 62mpg on one for certain.
General riding I find them less efficient than the FZS600 but not by much - it's about 45mpg-50mpg around town/commuting gently, 55 ish on long motorway runs (which they're not that good at anyway being a naked bike) and then it'll drop like hell if its thrashed. About 140/150 is probably about right to be honest for combination riding.
My ZX9R & ZX10R under the same riding conditions are almost identical to the hornet I've had and friends have had around town, on a motorway the sports bikes are a few mpg better (guessing more aerodynamic, and rev lower on a constant throtte?)
They are good little nippy bikes, but they're not that efficient. Not sure I'd class it as a huge upgrade over an FZS600 either to be honest, the brakes won't be as good and it doesn't make a massive amount more power - it's just newer, and the suspension is noticably better (particularly if you get the later one with adjustable suspension)
Post by: Oldgit on 11 December 2014, 09:26:20 am
Post by: Gingernutz on 14 December 2014, 08:42:22 pm
John - reckon it suits you :b
Well the decision has been made. I am selling my six in favour of a CBF1000GT
and here she is.
(http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee84/pj_otoole/MYnewCBF1000sideon_zpsa9026c66.jpg)
Its a 2009 with 19K miles and a private plate starting R999 because the previous owner was old bill. Wonder if I could flog that........
I very nearly went down the CB900 route - ticked no boxes at all but I've always liked them and one was available with sod all miles near me in mint condition. This is a far more sensible proposition.
Post by: BIG MAC on 14 December 2014, 09:24:39 pm
Post by: Gingernutz on 14 December 2014, 09:36:21 pm
Post by: BIG MAC on 14 December 2014, 11:05:37 pm
Post by: stevierst on 14 December 2014, 11:32:58 pm
Post by: lew600fazer on 14 December 2014, 11:43:43 pm
www.cbf1000.com (http://www.cbf1000.com)
Post by: bigralphie on 15 December 2014, 02:27:16 pm
Post by: Gingernutz on 15 December 2014, 04:35:59 pm
Post by: BIG MAC on 15 December 2014, 09:01:39 pm
[ Hey Ginger Get one of these, that's your commute solved-90 Miles to the gallon.So that's why they are called 'Monkey bikes'
Post by: BIG MAC on 15 December 2014, 09:03:32 pm
If that's the original plate it would be 09 or 59 not 99
John - reckon it suits you :b
Well the decision has been made. I am selling my six in favour of a CBF1000GT
and here she is.
([url]http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee84/pj_otoole/MYnewCBF1000sideon_zpsa9026c66.jpg[/url])
Its a 2009 with 19K miles and a private plate starting R999 because the previous owner was old bill. Wonder if I could flog that........
I very nearly went down the CB900 route - ticked no boxes at all but I've always liked them and one was available with sod all miles near me in mint condition. This is a far more sensible proposition.
Post by: Gingernutz on 15 December 2014, 09:10:22 pm
Post by: BIG MAC on 15 December 2014, 10:45:03 pm
Post by: greg1953 on 16 December 2014, 08:03:12 am
I advertised it on eBay for over three weeks with no interest until a guy came over from Sweden and rode it back.
Don't believe the bollocks about linked brakes being crap either, with EBC HH pads they were superb, especially two up.
The build quality is high as is reliability...downsides....the seat is uncomfortable, there's a big market in custom seats.
Don't give the 'bird a miss, you won't be disappointed....Oh! 172mph at Elvington Top Speed day. So why did I sell it ? Arthritis in my neck..I needed a more upright riding poition.
Greg
Post by: lew600fazer on 16 December 2014, 03:19:27 pm
Post by: Oldgit on 16 December 2014, 04:51:13 pm
[/quote] So that's why they are called 'Monkey bikes'
yes we are all descended from primates, you should know that BM
Post by: Gingernutz on 16 December 2014, 05:20:20 pm
Post by: BIG MAC on 16 December 2014, 09:17:00 pm
So that's why they are called 'Monkey bikes'
yes we are all descended from primates, you should know that BM
[/quote]I am a revolutionist not an evolutionist