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General => General => Topic started by: papercutout on 07 October 2014, 06:48:56 pm
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I had muffs 2 years ago. They work. Well. Especially with heated grips. BUT you need to get ones that are rigid enough (or that you modify) so that they don't blow into the brake lever/clutch, which mine did. I had the Givi TM418's.
I also had Alpinestars WR-V GTX gloves. Which weren't good. By the end of the winter they leaked, and would weigh a lot and take forever to dry, and all the way through winter they were nowhere near as warm as I had wanted.
Oh, and no heated gloves, I won't always have a power source.
I'm now looking for a new pair of winter gloves that are waterproof, and keep my hands warm at motorway speeds. Does anyone have any suggestions? I'm not wanting bar muffs right now, my old ones are laying around. I want winter gloves, and I want people to say 'I had these, and they were great' or 'I had these and they were crap' (like I did with the WR-V GTX's)
Thanks guys, could be good to have a topic that says what is good, and what isn't...
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Find a way to fit hand guards and that will deflect most of the wind induces cold.
Problem is there isnt any that will fit the fzs600 without hitting the fairing on a full lock or less.
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I've got no fairing, which helps ;)
And I might be interested in some in the future (any particular suggestions?), but right now, I want gloves. Nothing else!
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I bought a pair of these as a backup pair three years ago because they were cheap (but from Held, one of the quality manufacturers of gloves) but now I wear nothing else in the winter because they are so warm. They are very windproof and mine havn't leaked a drop since I've had them and I pretty much ride every day in all weathers. If you have the misfortune to have water run down your arm and into the glove they dry out very quickly on the radiator -unlike many other gloves. They have a handy visor wipe too that doesn't fall off.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HELD-Freddo-Waterproof-Breathable-Motorcycle-Motobike-Winter-Gloves-/221373346766?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Gloves&var=&hash=item338ae133ce (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HELD-Freddo-Waterproof-Breathable-Motorcycle-Motobike-Winter-Gloves-/221373346766?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Gloves&var=&hash=item338ae133ce)
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I bought a set of H-G master IV gore tex gloves a good few years ago, and they're the only gloves that I've had that are truly waterproof, and actually warm for longer than 30 minutes.
They've seen me through quite a few winters, and served me very well, still looking good, and in one piece. A bit bulky, but it's a pay off that's worth it.
Don't know if you can still get them, but I can highly recommend them, and that recommendation doesn't come lightly.
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Spada Enforcer have been good for me.
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Buy the right make of muffs that don't push the levers back!
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Spada Storm gloves are pretty good, always keep me warm and dry. Can't remember how much I paid for them, about £35 I think?
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Thanks everyone, some great replies here! Hearing good stories about gloves make a big difference - nothing like first hand experience compared to either sales blurb, or magazine reviews that don't have comprehensive tests
Buy the right make of muffs that don't push the levers back!
Go buy some glasses that let you read full paragraphs. And thread titles. ;)
Damn FZS600 owners! Don't pay attention! (I have one before people ask, whereas punkstig has just broken his!)
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Can you not mount the muff with the bar end sticking thru the side of the muff, which should stop any muff from pushing against the levers?
I use Gerbings heated gloves. Warm hands on crisp winter mornings.. Bliss...
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I've ordered some Alpinestars Apex Drystar (http://www.alpinestars.com/apex-drystar-gloves-1)s so i'll report back on those.
Shame they only go up to 3XL as they're a touch snug.
Chosen because: Quality/price balance + Best i could afford + Time being a factor as my current AS Drystars are falling to bits after a year of daily use. They were good gloves, but NOT for winter. I hope the new ones get me through this winter and then come summer; I'll get myself some nice short street gloves with good venting.
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Buy a pair of silk under gloves, dirt cheap and make a massive difference!
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Thanks everyone, some great replies here! Hearing good stories about gloves make a big difference - nothing like first hand experience compared to either sales blurb, or magazine reviews that don't have comprehensive tests
Buy the right make of muffs that don't push the levers back!
Go buy some glasses that let you read full paragraphs. And thread titles. ;)
Damn FZS600 owners! Don't pay attention! (I have one before people ask, whereas punkstig has just broken his!)
I read fully and paid complete attention- my point is completely valid from years of experience riding through snow as a courier, you want hands on experience of an everyday rider then that is mine!
if you're riding in the cold months day and night then gloves alone, no matter how expensive or thick or waterproof are not enough to keep your hands warm-
you need several things-
you've already dismissed heated gloves/ grips therefore buy the right muffs!
Oh, and foam lever sleeves!
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Thanks everyone, some great replies here! Hearing good stories about gloves make a big difference - nothing like first hand experience compared to either sales blurb, or magazine reviews that don't have comprehensive tests
Buy the right make of muffs that don't push the levers back!
Go buy some glasses that let you read full paragraphs. And thread titles. ;)
Damn FZS600 owners! Don't pay attention! (I have one before people ask, whereas punkstig has just broken his!)
I read fully and paid complete attention- my point is completely valid from years of experience riding through snow as a courier, you want hands on experience of an everyday rider then that is mine!
if you're riding in the cold months day and night then gloves alone, no matter how expensive or thick or waterproof are not enough to keep your hands warm-
you need several things-
you've already dismissed heated gloves/ grips therefore buy the right muffs!
Oh, and foam lever sleeves!
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Buy a pair of silk under gloves, dirt cheap and make a massive difference!
Second that but not you still need waterproof gloves, most of which are thick winter gloves. I do keep a pair of thin silk gloves in my pocket for early morning/late night summer rides though.
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I'm with punkstig in this one in all trueness. I've been a 365 biker for over a decade now, (that's when I gave up on cars), and muffs/heated grips have been the only thing that have allowed my hands to survive longer than an hour.
My super-duper H-G gloves are ok for an hour, but that's it. Summer gloves with maybe a liner (just use thin cotton) heavily modified muffs to stop wind collapse, and heated grips are what used to see me through my 240 mile commute.
Not tried heated gloves as I really don't need them anymore, but heard a lot of good things about them. Handguards are a bit of a waste of time for winter riding, they don't really do bugger-all.
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I like the look of those Alpinestars Apex Drystars I dont commute, but do ride through the winter but dont do rain, my summer gloves are alpinestars GP pro. The thing i think about winter gloves as that they never "look" like they would offer as much protection as my summer gloves in an off.
Think I will get a pair of silk gloves which I am hoping will mean I can carry on with my gp pros for a little longer into the winter, as I dont like the way thick gloves remove a lot of feel.
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I'm with punkstig in this one in all trueness. I've been a 365 biker for over a decade now, (that's when I gave up on cars), and muffs/heated grips have been the only thing that have allowed my hands to survive longer than an hour.
My super-duper H-G gloves are ok for an hour, but that's it. Summer gloves with maybe a liner (just use thin cotton) heavily modified muffs to stop wind collapse, and heated grips are what used to see me through my 240 mile commute.
Not tried heated gloves as I really don't need them anymore, but heard a lot of good things about them. Handguards are a bit of a waste of time for winter riding, they don't really do bugger-all.
Also a 365 rider. Totally agree with the pair of you on this when it comes to a Fazer i.e. muffs (Punkstigs recommended ones ONLY). Only disagree with the handguards bit, these plus heated grips and good gloves on the Tiger are ample.....for me.
As for gloves, I swore by the Spada Enforcers for warmth, 100% waterproof etc....until I broke my wrist when ice skating and decided that scaphoid protectors were for me so changed to the Racer Titan gloves....also good gloves.
http://www.infinitymotorcycles.com/product/racer-titan-waterproof-gloves-black/3649 (http://www.infinitymotorcycles.com/product/racer-titan-waterproof-gloves-black/3649)
http://www.infinitymotorcycles.com/product/spada-enforcer-waterproof-gloves/826 (http://www.infinitymotorcycles.com/product/spada-enforcer-waterproof-gloves/826)
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Thanks everyone, some great replies here! Hearing good stories about gloves make a big difference - nothing like first hand experience compared to either sales blurb, or magazine reviews that don't have comprehensive tests
Buy the right make of muffs that don't push the levers back!
Go buy some glasses that let you read full paragraphs. And thread titles. ;)
Damn FZS600 owners! Don't pay attention! (I have one before people ask, whereas punkstig has just broken his!)
I read fully and paid complete attention- my point is completely valid from years of experience riding through snow as a courier, you want hands on experience of an everyday rider then that is mine!
if you're riding in the cold months day and night then gloves alone, no matter how expensive or thick or waterproof are not enough to keep your hands warm-
you need several things-
you've already dismissed heated gloves/ grips therefore buy the right muffs!
Oh, and foam lever sleeves!
I have some bar muffs around already. I am asking for different reasons - I already know muffs are the best way. Don't argue with me, I've got reasons for not asking about them, you just don't know them! The same thing with heated gloves. (I have heated grips fitted too)
Good to see more positive reviews from other people on gloves - especially the Spada Enforcer after this (admittedly 2 years ago):
http://www.visordown.com/product-features/tested-sub-100-all-weather-gloves/21734-8.html#historysub (http://www.visordown.com/product-features/tested-sub-100-all-weather-gloves/21734-8.html#historysub)
Although MCN also tested the Spada Enforcer (in 2009) and gave them the highest score in the group test. Alongside was the £29.99 Tuzo TZG-5, which no one here appears to have. They're meant to be really quite bulky, but ridiculously warm and waterproof otherwise (No link to test as it's a PDF - google for it if you want):
http://www.busters-accessories.co.uk/productinfo/222303/Clothing-and-Helmets/Winter-Gloves/Tuzo (http://www.busters-accessories.co.uk/productinfo/222303/Clothing-and-Helmets/Winter-Gloves/Tuzo)
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I use the Spada Enforcers and they are very good but i find the wrist strap doesnt go tight enough and the the cuffs are quite wide making it hard to fit under a jacket sleeve :rolleyes
Mark :)
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I have a pair of Weise Montana 120s and can't fault them. Warm, and the inner & outer cuffs make them 100% dry too.
http://www.visordown.com/product-features/used-weise-montana-gloves-review/24359.html#ixzz34zC0QUWz (http://www.visordown.com/product-features/used-weise-montana-gloves-review/24359.html#ixzz34zC0QUWz)
Mind you, these might be a bargain too:
http://getgearedforbikers.blogspot.co.uk/2014/10/FURYGAN-LAND-PRO-EVO-GGG.html?leadsource=ggd1410&utm_campaign=ggd1410&utm_medium=VDFB&utm_topic=FURYGANLANDPROEVOGGG (http://getgearedforbikers.blogspot.co.uk/2014/10/FURYGAN-LAND-PRO-EVO-GGG.html?leadsource=ggd1410&utm_campaign=ggd1410&utm_medium=VDFB&utm_topic=FURYGANLANDPROEVOGGG)
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Found this just now...happy reading.
http://getgearedforbikers.blogspot.co.uk/2014/10/FURYGAN-LAND-PRO-EVO-GGG.html?leadsource=ggd1410&utm_campaign=ggd1410&utm_medium=VDFB&utm_topic=FURYGANLANDPROEVOGGG (http://getgearedforbikers.blogspot.co.uk/2014/10/FURYGAN-LAND-PRO-EVO-GGG.html?leadsource=ggd1410&utm_campaign=ggd1410&utm_medium=VDFB&utm_topic=FURYGANLANDPROEVOGGG)
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As for gloves, I swore by the Spada Enforcers for warmth, 100% waterproof etc....until I broke my wrist when ice skating and decided that scaphoid protectors were for me so changed to the Racer Titan gloves....also good gloves.
[url]http://www.infinitymotorcycles.com/product/racer-titan-waterproof-gloves-black/3649[/url] ([url]http://www.infinitymotorcycles.com/product/racer-titan-waterproof-gloves-black/3649[/url])
Could you tell us (me) more about these titan waterproof gloves I very much like the sound and look of these as they look like they will offer the same protection as my summer gloves and with added winter warmth. But I cannot find any winter reviews, so its over to you Frosties please
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Some of the gloves recommended look up to the job sure enough, but I think a winter glove isn't complete without a built in visor wipe. A wipe is especially useful for the current drizzle we are getting -when there isn't quite enough water to bead off the visor and the spray from the cars has finely powdered grime in it. Wiping with anything else other than a proper wiping blade risks scratching the visor especially if the visor is dirty.
I don't know how anyone copes without a wiper to be honest, unless peeps are prepared to put up with seeing rather less through their visor when it rains.
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Another vote here for Spada Enforcers. Very warm gloves. Not sure about waterproofness, as I don't ride in the rain much.
I find with a lot of the built-in visor wipes, they quickly deform and so don't work very well for long. The Enforcers have one, better than nothing I suppose.
HANDLEBAR MUFFS :look
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Im lucky as I dont need to ride in the rain
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As for gloves, I swore by the Spada Enforcers for warmth, 100% waterproof etc....until I broke my wrist when ice skating and decided that scaphoid protectors were for me so changed to the Racer Titan gloves....also good gloves.
[url]http://www.infinitymotorcycles.com/product/racer-titan-waterproof-gloves-black/3649[/url] ([url]http://www.infinitymotorcycles.com/product/racer-titan-waterproof-gloves-black/3649[/url])
Could you tell us (me) more about these titan waterproof gloves I very much like the sound and look of these as they look like they will offer the same protection as my summer gloves and with added winter warmth. But I cannot find any winter reviews, so its over to you Frosties please
Sharpy - I actually love these gloves for the winter, warm as you like, the feel is good, protection second to non, 100% waterproof and the velcro seems to be lasting a lot longer than the Spadas. The ONLY issue ive had is with the neoprene cuff bit - it doesn't seem to stop the rain (when its lashing it down - fine in normal rain) so the jacket does need to go over the cuffs when raining hard.
Short review -
http://www.visordown.com/product-features/used-review-racer-titan-winter-gloves/17360.html (http://www.visordown.com/product-features/used-review-racer-titan-winter-gloves/17360.html)
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Thanks for that info, frosties I had found that visor down short but that is all I could find but I dont need any other reviews as your say so is good enough. they are not on the racer website - only the sicuro summer version.
I think its either going to be those or the Richa Cold protect, but I do like the white colour on the racers
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If you don't mind losing a bit of protection - ski gloves. A friend of mine gave me a pair, the only gloves I've ever work on a bike that were truly waterproof.
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I got a pair of the Racer Titan's last year as a mate of mine had got some and thought they were brilliant.
They're very warm and so far 100% waterproof... few bit bits though.
The neoprene cuff is a pain in the backside to pull up over your sleeve on the second glove ('cause you're doing it with 1 gloved hand),
If you get out to a wet bike, take your lock off, start it up and leave it idling to warm for a couple of minutes while your putting your gloves on, if you have slightly damp hands from doing this it's damn near impossible to get your gloves on. Happened to me a few times now, so i have to get me gloves on before doing all that.
That said, I really like the feel of the protection they offer and so far haven't got wet hands from water running down from my sleeves.
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I think its either going to be those or the Richa Cold protect, but I do like the white colour on the racers
Yep, I got the white ones partly 'cos I'm a bit of a tart but thought they may help with a cagers peripheral vision - and to be honest they do seem to notice the white when it's tight, slow filtering.
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http://www.visordown.com/product-features/used-review-racer-titan-winter-gloves/17360.html (http://www.visordown.com/product-features/used-review-racer-titan-winter-gloves/17360.html)
I wear some unbranded Gore-Tex gloves i bought from Infinity which have given several years of service. Because of my jacket having zipped cuffs, a Neoprene skirt is essential in my opinion so i'll look out for some of these very soon.
Mickey
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I use muffs + heated grips + summer gloves. Ride all winter no problems.
Tucano Urbano muffs are rigid.
Get over yourself and buy some decent muffs, like everybody is telling you. "Winter gloves" are a con.
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Silk inner gloves do work
last year I bought a pair of armadillo gloves which help with the cold
as to getting wet, sorry but no idea as I always end up with wet hands when it is raining
this year for the first time ever, I am trying heated gris.
good luck in the hunt
I would be interested to find out how to keep dry hands
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Just ordered some TZG4's, will let you know how they do (£18)
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I've been wearing my new held freddo gloves this week(recommended by pieman,) . Rode in heavy rain twice for an hour, warm dry hands at the end of it. Excellent gloves!
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I've been wearing my new held freddo gloves this week(recommended by pieman,) . Rode in heavy rain twice for an hour, warm dry hands at the end of it. Excellent gloves!
Does the outside of the gloves stay dry, though?
I'm wondering because I've seen some which, whilst they keep your hand dry inside, get sodden on the outside which isn't so great.
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Apologies for my ignorance but what difference does that make?
If your wondering how quickly they dry out, its quick. I left them on my desk at work and they were dry by lunchtime (which is when I remembered I hadn't put them on the radiator, something my summer gloves are all to familiar with).
The visor wipe is actually functional too. My commute to work is an hour tops and these are keeping my hands warm and dry for what I use them for. If your out all day in it, gloves soaking all day then you might need something else, Marigolds perhaps... :)
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How is the sizing on them Freddo's? I couldn't find those in large.
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I find that a quick rub over with a kitchen towel is enough to dry the outside of these gloves, but they air-dry in the office very quickly, I can pop them in my bag out of the way within an hour usually.
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Size wise they are fairly snug across the palm, presumably due to the extra padding. Finger wise they are generous, I also wear large and my usual gloves could do with a longer thumb but the freddos have ample room there and on the finger tips.
I had to get blue ones as I couldn't find a large in red but winter riding ain't no fashion show.
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Just ordered some TZG4's, will let you know how they do (£18)
Any particular reason you went for the TZG4's not the 5's? Looking forward to your review!
If you don't mind losing a bit of protection - ski gloves. A friend of mine gave me a pair, the only gloves I've ever work on a bike that were truly waterproof.
No thanks, I've fallen off in the cold and wet. Ski gloves are barely different price wise - and I'm planning on wearing these gloves for skiing in too.
Brilliant to hear about the Freddo's - pity the colour layout is (IMO) so bad. As you said NorthWestern - it ain't no fashion show! Looking at them though, I've been concerned over the protection they offer.
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If your wondering how quickly they dry out, its quick.
That was what I was wondering, thanks.
Sorry I wasn't as clear as I could have been.
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I had my concerns about protection too TBH but for £25 I thought I would try em. The palms and fingers are quite thick leather with a suede piece over the top for extra grip so I think a "double somersault with twist and finally into handstand" off would be as good as any other motorcycle glove. They have a lot of padding and protective pads on the front of hand (and the fingernails are leather).
I reckon they would offer decent protection. [source - some bloke on a forum]
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I had my concerns about protection too TBH but for £25 I thought I would try em. The palms and fingers are quite thick leather with a suede piece over the top for extra grip so I think a "double somersault with twist and finally into handstand" off would be as good as any other motorcycle glove. They have a lot of padding and protective pads on the front of hand (and the fingernails are leather).
I reckon they would offer decent protection. [source - some bloke on a forum]
They certainly pass one important litmus test with regards to safetyand that's having just one piece of leather covering the palm and underside of fingers -as opposed to bits of leather stitched together. No connecting stitching in this area means less chance of the glove being pulled apart if you slide and put your hands down on the tarmac.
The scaphoid protection is minimal on this glove but for the price and waterproofness/warmth it's a winning bit of kit I reckon.
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Just ordered some TZG4's, will let you know how they do (£18)
Any particular reason you went for the TZG4's not the 5's? Looking forward to your review!
£18 versus £30. I think the 4's actually look slightly better too. No other reason at all.
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Just ordered some TZG4's, will let you know how they do (£18)
Any particular reason you went for the TZG4's not the 5's? Looking forward to your review!
£18 versus £30. I think the 4's actually look slightly better too. No other reason at all.
Arrived today. Its not raining. Build quality looks ok, nothing outstanding, but they were £18, not £80. Certainly look like they should keep my delicate little pinkies snug, and they dont look like they'll fall apart quickly either.
Size wise, a bit roomy. I suspect a M may have been a bit too snug (but perhaps after a bit of wear they be ok), am semi-tempted to swap them for a M, but then i might just be dicking around sending them back, getting M, finding them too snug and wishing i'd stuck with the L.
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Fuggit, i've started the returns process to exchange to a M, as they will give a little once worn in. I purchased from Busters (ebay) so hopefully should be a smooth process.
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I can thoroughly recommend the TZG4's as I'm about to buy my third pair, have had Spada's a couple of times aswell. But found the TZG lasted longer and stayed waterproof for longer. Mine have lasted a winter then through spring/summer (not as warm as padding compresses after while),still usable but not so warm or as waterproof, so will keep them as spare.
Spada's were good gloves but didn't last as well, splitting or stitching coming apart after 3 or 4 months.
Worn daily, year round, always been warm enough for me.
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I had my concerns about protection too TBH but for £25 I thought I would try em. The palms and fingers are quite thick leather with a suede piece over the top for extra grip so I think a "double somersault with twist and finally into handstand" off would be as good as any other motorcycle glove. They have a lot of padding and protective pads on the front of hand (and the fingernails are leather).
I reckon they would offer decent protection. [source - some bloke on a forum]
This is the sort of information we need! That's great to hear that such a cheap glove is apparently so well made. But then, it is HELD, you'd expect good things from them at any price.
Thanks to one of the guys on this forum, I've managed to bag myself a set of the Racer Titan's really cheap. Proper reviewing/comments later as they arrived today, and it's back to summer glove weather again. But the quality obviously seems good (normally £100 glove), and the fingers are surprisingly flexible considering their bulk. Size wise, they come up tiny for what they are. My summer RST's are a 'L', my old winter Alpinestars are an 'XL' and these are an 'XXL' and fit well! The wrist velcro only JUST goes tight enough, but I have narrow wrists.
The same day, several hours earlier, I ordered the Furygan Land Pro Evo gloves Get Geared had on sale For £59.99 instead of £99.99. I ordered these in an 'L', and they're slightly tighter, but fit well. Build quality is good, they seem nice gloves - decent dual insulation (thick top, thinner palm), but you can feel the inner move when you pull your hand out. It's obviously stitched into the ends of the fingers, but it does move, I would hope that it'd not pull away overa winter period - that would be really inconvenient!
My biggest problem with them is that the wrist doesn't go anywhere near tight enough to stop them pulling off my hands if I had a crash - again, I do have thin wrists, but there's plenty of space to put more velcro. (I'll be offering them a guy at work for what I paid, or sending them back if he doesn't want them)
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Golly, whilst reading a few of the above comments I'm a bit shocked about the longevity of some of the so called good gloves. I've been wearing my non branded gloves for about 14 years and they are just starting to get a little bit damp, nothing really but when I put them on the next day I notice that they are a tiny bit damp. I bought them from Infinity at the same time as I bought my Hein Gericke Master V jacket. The jacket has a zipped cuff so the gloves have a Neoprene skirt and are gauntleted to cover the out part of the cuff with a neat little meshed drain hole to let the water out. As I was saying the gloves are only just about showing signs of dampness the next morning. They are Gore text with a leather outer skin. I've never had an Off so never tried out the modest protection which looks like it wouldn't last too well. I ride all year long and at least 4 days a week with only snow keeping me off the bike. I'm very impressed. I might go into Infinity to ask for the name?
P.S. My summer gloves are Alpinestars GP Plus or something like that, so maybe the winter gloves aren't used ALL year but as I work a lot of nights I do use them more than my summer gloves.
Mickey