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General => General => Topic started by: tony_d123 on 07 October 2014, 10:57:07 am
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19.30 on Sunday, October 12, 2014, on Channel 4
http://www.iomtt.com/News/2014/October/07/Guy-Martin-takes-to-the-skies-Spitfire.aspx (http://www.iomtt.com/News/2014/October/07/Guy-Martin-takes-to-the-skies-Spitfire.aspx)
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Look forward to watching this-history & machinery beats "strictly come dancing"anyday in my book!
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Cheers for the heads up, just sky plus'd it on my phone in case I forget!
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+1 looking forward to it cheers
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Well, I happened to see the red recording light on the skybox. WTF is that on for?, had a look OH GUY MARTIN !! :lol
Great programme
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Grafting 7 days a week ,1 weeks holidays and you might be blown up at any time :eek
Bloody humbling the effort and spirit of everyday folk in the 30/40,s
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Everyday I think to my self that I owe so much to so few. And am proud to be British
Mickey
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Missed it last night.Just watching the repeat on 4seven.Great prog :).
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It was really good, it was really good, it was really good. Why did he keep repeating his sentences. Why did he keep repeating his sentenced. Why did he keep repeating ......
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Shame that they couldn't save much of the original plane but a testament to the original engineers and fitters when you saw how difficult it was and how long it took to reproduce parts. When they were fitting and refitting that wing skin to get a perfect fit, I wondered how many went out with gaps when they had to churn out 80 a week :eek
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It was really good, it was really good, it was really good. Why did he keep repeating his sentences. Why did he keep repeating his sentenced. Why did he keep repeating ......
Yeah I've noticed that!.
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Shame that they couldn't save much of the original plane but a testament to the original engineers and fitters when you saw how difficult it was and how long it took to reproduce parts. When they were fitting and refitting that wing skin to get a perfect fit, I wondered how many went out with gaps when they had to churn out 80 a week :eek
I find it hard to see how you could salvage anything from a plane that has been in the sea for nearly 50 years.Salt is bad enough on the roads in winter let alone being constantly submerged in it.It looked fantastic at the end tho.Really interesting to hear the memories of the veterans.Amazing people.
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When they were fitting and refitting that wing skin to get a perfect fit, I wondered how many went out with gaps when they had to churn out 80 a week :eek
I wish the bods on the Yamaha production line had taken half as much care fitting my Fazer's fairing infill panels. This would have saved me half a lifetime of faffing about with draught excluder and rubber bits trying to rid them of vibration.
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It was really good, it was really good, it was really good. Why did he keep repeating his sentences. Why did he keep repeating his sentenced. Why did he keep repeating ......
Yeah I've noticed that!.
I have become very fed up with programmes that are delivered in the way programmes for schools were done.
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Shame that they couldn't save much of the original plane but a testament to the original engineers and fitters when you saw how difficult it was and how long it took to reproduce parts. When they were fitting and refitting that wing skin to get a perfect fit, I wondered how many went out with gaps when they had to churn out 80 a week :eek
I find it hard to see how you could salvage anything from a plane that has been in the sea for nearly 50 years.Salt is bad enough on the roads in winter let alone being constantly submerged in it.It looked fantastic at the end tho.Really interesting to hear the memories of the veterans.Amazing people.
Ah yes but under water there is no air which is also needed in the process, although things still rust at a slower rate.
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Shame that they couldn't save much of the original plane but a testament to the original engineers and fitters when you saw how difficult it was and how long it took to reproduce parts. When they were fitting and refitting that wing skin to get a perfect fit, I wondered how many went out with gaps when they had to churn out 80 a week :eek
I find it hard to see how you could salvage anything from a plane that has been in the sea for nearly 50 years.Salt is bad enough on the roads in winter let alone being constantly submerged in it.It looked fantastic at the end tho.Really interesting to hear the memories of the veterans.Amazing people.
Ah yes but under water there is no air which is also needed in the process, although things still rust at a slower rate.
Good point :thumbup.Would be interesting to know what the corrosion rate difference is on metals between being submerged in salt water & being exposed on land to salt spray consistently is?...bet somebody on here knows that ;)
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Just watched it last night. Was there any part of the original plane re-used? Seemed to be a new build with the old plane used for reference.
Still enjoyed it though. I'm an engineer by trade and can appreciate that level of skill.
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From what I could tell,very little indeed was used from the wreckage of the spitfire.It seems the big issue is establishing and having ownership of the identity of the original plane.Once you have that it appears that you can replace any number of parts (which in this case even included the fuselage),and it is still recognized as being the original aircraft.Apparently it also makes a difference when it comes to matters like approval etc...as it counts as a restoration/rebuild.But like you suggest it does seem to be pretty much a new build.They did a fantastic job on it tho didn't they.Brilliant engineering.
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Just watched it on replay. It wasn't a rebuild it was a new build.
The thing that surprised me was how keen they were to get the build exactly on spec rather than build it like they did during the war.
The other thing that made me chuckle was the way they installed things like the prop just like they did in 1940. No torque wrench in site, just a bloke hanging off a pole to get it tight enough.
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Watching it now. It's fookin frustrating! There could be so much good information being passed out here, but it's dumbed down - as someone said above, like it was for junior schools. Typical of guy's recent programme though :-/
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Guy is a likeable "personality" but isnt the most articulate presenter is he? There is only so much "enthusiasm" can make up for a lack of ability to get a complex subject across to a broad viewing public. Like many on here I guess its the technical & historical aspects that I am interested in but your typical average member of the viewing public isnt interested to this extent.
Programme planners must target the largest possible audience so this requires a general "dumbing down" of the subject to include the viewers with limited attention spans (Is this why they have to interrupt progs every 15 mins with mind numbing adverts?)
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Sorry but I found the program dull
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I started my working life as an aircraft engineer and have always had an interest in WW2 etc so tried to see the good bits of the programme. There weren't many to be honest apart from the fact they were building the first Spitfire since 1950 or whenever but they didn't mention that, it was always "rebuilding so and so's Mk1 spitfire he crashed"
Guy is not the greatest presenter and the amount of bits they actually let him loose with on the two or three occasions he turned up to Duxford in the two years of the project were limited to things he couldn't really get wrong.
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But surely the best bit - Series 5 versus the .50 cal :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
In my dreams.....
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Enjoyable to watch, but too much repetition, 1 hour 20 minute programme that probably boils down to under an hour without all that!
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But surely the best bit - Series 5 versus the .50 cal :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
In my dreams.....
That was probably the most remarkable thing, didn't look too bad from the front but the exit holes behind!
Just imagine sitting in a Messerschmitt with that lot coming your way :eek
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Not even the exit holes, (kinda expected that) but the way it had ripped the engine apart :eek
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Guy is a likeable "personality" but isnt the most articulate presenter is he? There is only so much "enthusiasm" can make up for a lack of ability to get a complex subject across to a broad viewing public. Like many on here I guess its the technical & historical aspects that I am interested in but your typical average member of the viewing public isnt interested to this extent.
Programme planners must target the largest possible audience so this requires a general "dumbing down" of the subject to include the viewers with limited attention spans (Is this why they have to interrupt progs every 15 mins with mind numbing adverts?)
I reckon Edd China from off 'Wheeler Dealers' would be good at this sort of programme.They have a pretty good balance of entertainment & technical stuff on there.At least he shows how to dismantle and recondition/replace stuff.But then I suppose Discovery & Quest are more niche channels.If it was on a more mainstream channel it would prob be more like 'For the love of cars' where nearly all the technical stuff got glossed over :(.
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Guy is a likeable "personality" but isnt the most articulate presenter is he? There is only so much "enthusiasm" can make up for a lack of ability to get a complex subject across to a broad viewing public. Like many on here I guess its the technical & historical aspects that I am interested in but your typical average member of the viewing public isnt interested to this extent.
Programme planners must target the largest possible audience so this requires a general "dumbing down" of the subject to include the viewers with limited attention spans (Is this why they have to interrupt progs every 15 mins with mind numbing adverts?)
I reckon Edd China from off 'Wheeler Dealers' would be good at this sort of programme.They have a pretty good balance of entertainment & technical stuff on there.At least he shows how to dismantle and recondition/replace stuff.But then I suppose Discovery & Quest are more niche channels.If it was on a more mainstream channel it would prob be more like 'For the love of cars' where nearly all the technical stuff got glossed over :( .
+ 1 for Ed China! Hes a knowledgeable bloke who can explain stuff clearly without tripping over his words. Not saying Guy doesnt know what hes doing---he obviously does but its the way he tells it with all the repetition. Having said that Id dearly love to see him start up his own Merlin engine!! :lol
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As my father was a spitfire driver and I believe is in the log for the one hanging in Glasgow Art Gallery (LA198) https://www.flickr.com/photos/18496927@N00/4542272217 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/18496927@N00/4542272217) ... any spitfire that is saved should I think be returned to serviceable use. It's unthinkable to me that there are spits all over the World which aren't 'here'
To my mind an RAF squadron of spitfires would be every bit as big a draw as the red arrows and serve to remind us of 'The Few'
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But surely the best bit - Series 5 versus the .50 cal :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
In my dreams.....
That was probably the most remarkable thing, didn't look too bad from the front but the exit holes behind!
Just imagine sitting in a Messerschmitt with that lot coming your way :eek
Problem was - the Messerschmitt had 20mm cannon. A tad bigger than the .50cal and they had that from the outset. Spits only had .50 cal after a few years. They were originally fitted with .303 calibre machine guns :eek :eek :eek
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20mm cannon was ok if you hot the target and didn't empty your magazines too quickly. .50 calibre is about 13mm and has plenty enough energy to stitch drill an enemy aircraft. Cannon fire will demolish an engine block whereas the lighter ammo may not be as effective however 'Time on the button' is increased weight for weight in the number of rounds available. Spitfire pilots were taught to be economic with ammo. Then again the BF109 had fuel injection which gives a theoretical advantage in inverted flight...well it did until those fiendishly clever Tommies figured out carbs that work upside down.