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Bikes, Hints'n'Tips => For Sale & Wanted => Topic started by: noggythenog on 26 June 2014, 05:35:04 pm
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:rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes ..........ok i know i know.......but i took the punt.....but the bike is not for me.......it is with sadness that i'm on a whim deciding to sell it........if it sells then thats my biking year finished which i'm sad about but i just think there's a much better chance of me selling it now rather than at the start of winter.
I have my reasons & i'm happy to discuss them on here as a conclusion to my endless what bike should i get saga.
Most will know that i only bought the bike a couple months ago for £3500.......which was a good price......by virtue of Deks bike selling so low & the other competition plus the fact i feel i've had £500 worth of fun from it , i scraped the belly pan overcooking it on a corner & i've added a few thousand miles then the price is £3000.00 earth pounds.....no offers please....if i cant get 3k then i will learn to live with the bike & do some serious fettling to get it just right for me.
Here is the original sellers spec list but please note that the mileage was higher than advertised & is now at 35k.......there is no tom tom plus i dont have the original bits.
Bike is located in South West Wales.
Usual sales jargon applies....ie no test rides without full price in cash in hand first.
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I am looking at selling but cant be bothered taking all the bits off i have put on over the years, the main reason being i know longer have a garage and store the bike which isn't getting out and being used, anyway here is the details as i can best remember, testing the water see if i am pitching at the right price
Thoughts
FZ1 2008
28000 miles on the clock
Feb 2015 MOT & Tax
full front to back service incl new brake pads & fork oil / seals changed in Feb less than 100 miles since
valves checked at 25000 miles
oil & filter every 3000 miles
Renthal chain & Sprocket 1000 miles ago
new RP3`s less than a 100 miles on them
side facing tyre valves (probably cheapest but best mod on the bike)
Gel seat
wavey discs front & back
braided hoses
AGV leavers
touring screen with adjustable wind deflector
charger for phone etc
belly pan (the best one)
pillion seat cowel (the best one)
Akrapovic exhaust
Ivans fuel jet fitted
Nitron rear shock
heated grips
gear indicator
intergated rear light cluster
tail tidy
R&G crash bungs
R&G chain guard
R&G radiator cover
Gilles rearsets
carbon tank insert
carbon radiator sides
TomTom European sat nav fitted
all the standard bits from above replaced
£3500
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it seems i was also duped about the tax which turned out to be for a Honda so i've just bought 6 months tax which expires 30/11/14......thankfully the bike is legit as i did a text check prior purchase.
What else can i add.......there are a few age/mileage related marks here & there which weren't advertised but i feel should be.......the fuel filler lip was a little rusty so i kurusted it & wipe it with an oily rag......there's a few snipped/taped up wires from the left hand controls...previous owner says from the tom tom which was removed.....i have my doubts about that but to be fair the bike runs flawlessly so i cant see them being an issue.....perhaps further investigation will find that they are snipped as part of a mod with the exup valve or something....i really dont know....any thou guys know about this????
I just did 2000 miles on it on my Scotland trip......it was flawless mechanically and it is a very quick bike, it looks lovely and sounds mean, the oil is still spotless clean through the sight glass.....for an old bike it is a head turner still......it is not perfect....i wont claim that....but for 3k it is a bit of cheap fun & perhaps some more of you 600 boys want to give it a try like i did.
My main reason for sale is this..........i have no more fun on it than on my 600......yes I've edged the tyres and scraped the belly pan & so i must be shifting...but i'm scaring myself shitless in the process & i really dont think i'm ready for it.....I'm glad i tried & it has been an experience.....but id rather feel quick on a smaller bike even if i'm actually going slower..........ill be looking at something low capacity and naked.....possibly an MT07......but that will be next year.
Anyway here's a couple pics.
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It's a Damn shame your selling it Noggy, but I know what you mean about scaring yourself shitless on it! And that's a pretty cheap price for a lot of bike!!!
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Can I swear.... I really want to... Do ya think i shud?... But will they hate me?.... I'm in two minds... (Hold back pete... U know u can)...but I can't ... Oh... Oh well then....
U CUNT!!!!!!! DONT FUKIN SELL IT!!!!! Lol
BRILLIANT BIKE..... WICKED MODS.... AWESOME PRICE.....
R U FUKIN MAD!!!!!!!!
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Oi....i aint even Welsh.......I'm a ferengi :lol
What really got me was that i was following my dad on his FZ6 through some of Scotlands finest roads....he knows the roads, i dont..plus he has lots of experience......overtakes & swooping open corners i had the edge & would close on him but when it came to blind corners or ones that tightened up mid corner he had the edge & there's no way i could have gone any faster....so for my limits i dont need 1000cc.
Ok so i reckon my dad was goin flat out but he's a knob & reckons he wasn't.....foccin show off.....but still he was on a bog standard FZ6...hardly state of the art although they do have sharp handling.
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Yep...yep...yep.....told you not to break the nogfighter :rolleyes.......I know what you mean about having more fun with the 6 :D
its nice having the extra horses but do you really need them.since I got my 6 back on the road the thou has hardly been out.....ive said it before and I'll say it again........the 600 is a better bike than the thou......unless you do shed loads of touring...
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What a pickle i manage to get myself into though...all because of a poxy crash last year which started the events......now im fully committed to stripping the noggyfighter & if i sell the thou ill be totally bikeless.......plus the sale of my bike trailer when i get round to it.......but ill manage to get a decent pot of money together for something new.
I had to scratch the itch...itch now scratched.
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Dont miss out on the rest of the summer mr nogg...get another 600 boxeye.....loads on ebay .....
Oh....ive just had an excellent idea....why dont you start a "which bike thread " :rollin :rollin :rollin
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Holy ****, I love the look of this bike! Fancy a part ex lmao :'(
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Dont miss out on the rest of the summer mr nogg...get another 600 boxeye.....loads on ebay .....
Oh....ive just had an excellent idea....why dont you start a "which bike thread " :rollin :rollin :rollin
:lol
Ill spare yous that pain i think......MT07......that's my future.....nice & simple.....new, economical, comfortable, cheap...fast enough.
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Holy ****, I love the look of this bike! Fancy a part ex lmao :'(
When you come to get your Renthals just sneak out an extra 3k.....go on :)
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Holy ****, I love the look of this bike! Fancy a part ex lmao :'(
When you come to get your Renthals just sneak out an extra 3k.....go on :)
If only I had the cash...
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Feck me, the Lazy Lob is for sale :eek .
Off to count my pennies.......on the seat of my 600 BOXEYE which may have to make way :lol
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I'm sure THAT bike at THAT price will cause many a purse to rattle tonight.... I reckon it'll be gone by sunday... Now then.... Can u mod the tank on an MT-07?
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I'm sure THAT bike at THAT price will cause many a purse to rattle tonight.... I reckon it'll be gone by sunday... Now then.... Can u mod the tank on an MT-07?
Ive thought of a good mod already.......a plastic fuel can bungeed to the back seat.....yeh you're right...range will be an issue....but im never usually too far from a petrol station and ive been worrying at 130 miles on the Gen2.
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Yep...yep...yep.....told you not to break the nogfighter :rolleyes.......I know what you mean about having more fun with the 6 :D
its nice having the extra horses but do you really need them.since I got my 6 back on the road the thou has hardly been out.....ive said it before and I'll say it again........the 600 is a better bike than the thou......unless you do shed loads of touring...
or keep the thou in the first 3 gears :), I know what you mean though, bit like the old two stroke days ,thrashing the bollocks of them, the sound makes it all
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Blimey, I thought an FZ1 of that year, mileage & cond. is worth atleast 4k (http://www.autotrader.co.uk/search/used/bikes/yamaha/postcode/wd48fg/radius/1501/cc-from/1000cc/maximum-age/up_to_6_years_old/price-from/2000/price-to/4500/sort/recpriceascdefault/cc-to/1000cc) and thats without all the accessories.
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Blimey, I thought an FZ1 of that year, mileage & cond. is worth atleast 4k ([url]http://www.autotrader.co.uk/search/used/bikes/yamaha/postcode/wd48fg/radius/1501/cc-from/1000cc/maximum-age/up_to_6_years_old/price-from/2000/price-to/4500/sort/recpriceascdefault/cc-to/1000cc[/url]) and thats without all the accessories.
You would have thought so....however recent prices have dictated otherwise.....most of these models are now cheap second hand bargains considering their 10k price as new......I've priced it to sell with minimal hassle, any lower & id rather keep it i think.....i wont deny that there are some more original bikes with lower miles and no extras...these are the bikes some people prefer to go for and then mod them....but at what price......this bike doesn't really need any mods so long as it is to a buyers taste.
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Ah yes...the good old days......bought a brand new suzuki gt 250 x7 in 1980 ish did over 10,000 in one year and every day it saw the red line......oh to be young again :rolleyes
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Fraser.... Ur off ur flippin ead mate... Yes the bike is blisterin.. And ur not used to it yet but neither am i with my genny 1.... Although I've ridden 6's for 20 odd years I'm still gettin to grips with this bike and it still has the better of me in many areas but that's the challenge. As u get better and ur skills improve i will bet u a sheeps bollock that if u sell it ..., 2 or 3 years down the line u will wish u hadn't. DefK sold u a fantastic bike for low dollar and u were lucky to get it. Break the 6 and keep the fz1 over winter and ride the bloody thing and u will get what its about. If u still dont like it u can flog it beginning summer next year and still get at least 3k and not be outta pocket and have a bike all the way thru.
D'YA GET ME DRIFT??
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Wrong bike exup...i didnt buy deks bike mate...it just looks similar.
I do think you're right in some respects...a bit more fiddling and more practice and maybe even a couple bits n bobs and it "could" be right for me......if it doesn't sell then that's what ill hope for.
As a day bike it is good, not for touring on though....and part of the problem is me, not the bike such as on my local track just outside my street it feels shit hot because i know the corners well.....then it shines and flies like a seagull with a rocket up its arse.
But on roads that i dont know and especially blind left handers i am bottling it on this big bike because it needs imo to be commited to the corner early on and any half arsed dilly dallying is seeing me run wide towards the centre line....ok so maybe im being unfair to myself but i think on my 600 i can adjust mid corner much easier.......so the big boys bike is showing me up for the amateur that i am.......gimme a corner i can see through & ive no issue with banking it over and get a corner right on the thou and it is orgasmic.
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Wanna swap for a broken box eye lol :eek lol it's fresh broke not old broke :lol
Oh well worth a try :rollin
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Awww noggy don't do it! (BTW, I got your email, but I've not had chance to reply due to Nightshift giving me a whipping lol).
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Cheers Mick.....well to be fair no interest so far so i might have to keep it....would hardly be a bad thing though & i can always trade it in minus the extras next year if i still fancy something else. & after a summer of getting to know it better.
An eagle eyed foccer has now informed me that the exhaust probably aint an Akra but more likely a scorpion with a sticker.....why the foc folk do that eh.....the sticker not the informing.......still sounds the biz Akra or not.......but a good bit of foc wisdom all the same.
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Noggy..your obviously a lovely genuine bloke, and you've gone out if your way to give a brutally honest appraisal of the bike and your reasons for selling and how much. If I didn't have money tied up in my Zthou project I'd have it just fir the bits for mine. I wish you all the best for the sale, and I'm really sorry you didn't gel with it.
At that money though, surely your best just to keep it and not lose out on the rest of the years biking..you'd deffo get 3k early spring next year at the start of the season, and not only will there be s/ hand nearly new mt09s about but demand for new ones will have died down so you'll get a better deal if that's the way you wanna roll. It makes sense mate, it really does...
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Luv the bit on the Honda tax disc lol
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I agree with most of the comments on here as I also don't think you've had enough time to get to grips with it....FFS you've only had it a couple of months.....a loaded up tour to Scotland will hardly let you gel with it......you mentioned blind left handers, well who comfortably belts it round them at speed......remember this bike has almost 50% more power than the original noggyfighter but you don't have to use it all to justify having a 1000cc bike.......if you downgrade you will wish you had that power back for certain situations......you got a cracking bike at a cracking price albeit with an Akro sticker and a Honda tax disc but you will NEVER get a replacement for the 3K you get for it, never mind being bikeless over the summer.......WAKE THE FOC UP NOGGY!!!!! :lol
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It's also a hard sell this time of the year I know I've tried lol, like others have said keep it this year and try and bond with it and if u still not happy at the end of the year then put it up for sale in the spring when u have a better chance of getting rid of it.
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It always kicks you in the bollocks when you buy summat and there's a few issues with stuff the previous owner has done...sours the deal and causes that knee jerk reaction that can make you want to just get rid.
But you still got a great bike at a great price bud, get to know it, have the last laugh by having a great biking year on it and getting to know it, by next spring if you still don't want it at least you will know you gave it a helluva shot..but.. By then you may well have found the sweet spot and incredible riding experience that these bikes can give you.. I've had many years of many bikes and my fz1s still blows me away from time to time.
Don't let the bastards grind you down nogster...apparently the Japanese have the same word for " problem" as they do for " opportunity", that's a hell of a good way to look at things... ;)
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Cheers chaps.....as usual the foccers are wise & mighty & sharp of tongue........but lots of sense flows.......yous are all yodas :b .
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Noggy, unfortunately they are all totally wrong.
I seriously think you should wait 2 weeks before you decide to listen to such soppy advice about keeping it.........which let's face it is a powerful and scarey bike which you admit is past your ability. I'd hate you to be another statistic.....
This will give others the chance to try and jiggle some shekles around and relieve you of this dangerous bike :D :D
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You having a laugh Noggy?
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
I bought mine blind,,had it delivered,,was unsure at the beginning,,but i have had it two years now and it is still growing on me more and more ,
as for scary,,,well what a load of crap....do 600s not scare you? can they scare you? of course they can,,and a 600 can kill you just as easy.
It is a sexy , smart incredible bike, a real sports tourer,i am off to the Czeq republic soon for a spin,looking forward to it.
I hope you change your mind.
They get better and better the more you know the bike.
If it scares you ,,hold back a bit and enjoy.
Bill
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Noggy, unfortunately they are all totally wrong.
I seriously think you should wait 2 weeks before you decide to listen to such soppy advice about keeping it.........which let's face it is a powerful and scarey bike which you admit is past your ability. I'd hate you to be another statistic.....
This will give others the chance to try and jiggle some shekles around and relieve you of this dangerous bike :D :D
:evil :evil :evil
Well never say never......if a painless sale comes my way i could still be tempted, take your time mate & that will buy me some more time to get out there over the next couple of weeks...im on my holidays now and as usual it is pissing with rain.....then the sun will appear when i go back to work.
I've also got the noggyfighter to strip & sell plus i need to get my fat arse back to the gym or it'll be a pan european i need to haul me about.....so not a complete loss the rest of the year if i dont have a bike.
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You having a laugh Noggy?
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
I bought mine blind,,had it delivered,,was unsure at the beginning,,but i have had it two years now and it is still growing on me more and more ,
as for scary,,,well what a load of crap....do 600s not scare you? can they scare you? of course they can,,and a 600 can kill you just as easy.
It is a sexy , smart incredible bike, a real sports tourer,i am off to the Czeq republic soon for a spin,looking forward to it.
I hope you change your mind.
They get better and better the more you know the bike.
If it scares you ,,hold back a bit and enjoy.
Bill
Slim i wish you could have a shot and give your opinion on the bike as i only have the 600 to gauge it on.......by scary it is not so much the speeds that im going at but maybe just that it isnt set up properly for me.......the bars are shit and flat and i cant seem to get the leverage on them for countersteering which is in turn making the front end seem heavy......the back end is too foccin stiff and i don't have the shock preload adjustor.......ok so ive already pissed about with the suspension to try get it a bit better & maybe i should bring the yokes back up (but i cant do it now due the weight of the bike and only having a side stand :o ).....just to do more trial and error.....i could do with a proper garage setting it up for me but theres foc all down here by me so i've ended up just getting pissed off with it...for example the rear nitron compression is apparently the softest it goes...which is rock hard...& trying to turn the rebound blue annodised wheel on the bottom is fruitless although i can spanner out the nut just below it....in a nutshell ive lost the plot a bit & dont have a ficcin clue what im up to now :\ .
All i know is that the front feels heavy & the rear is too hard for me.....i might have a bit of a google about anywhere in south wales that could set it up but i dont know of anywhere.
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Nog I've got some renthal ultra low fatbars and risers you can borrow if you wanna try wider bars for more leverage..I hadta do that on both my cb1300s...it is just tailoring the bike to you, every bodies different, speshully the welsh..... ;)
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Ps even changing tyres can give this bike a completely different feel..wish you were closer you could try mine on Pirelli diablos, I love em...
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Noggy my good fellow it sounds like you have just received a master class from your old fella on the twisties. I have just got back from Germany and have had the same experience from the lads. So you tried to push the bike a little hotter into the corners (just as I did) and was more than likely in the wrong gear (I was) if not then its still the same issue get some mileage behind you on the bike (I learnt allot about my lack of throttle control on this trip) But when I was in unison with the bike it was a dream but was hell when my front end was twitching (I found myself saying relax and lay on the tank to stop me from tensing on the bars which made the difference)
We all have different riding styles and perception of risk but at end of the day your talking about it.
Do what is right for you mate
Daz
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Yes, bars Noggy, i have just put the highest bars on that the brake pipe allows,i love the position,wider than original too.and turned back a bit towards me,i just cut 3/4" off the ends and have guards on both hands.
Anyway you have a £4000 bike there so savour it.
I rekon we GOTTA have a meet up in Wales and have a fun ride SOON.
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Sorry to hear you're not happy with the bike Noggy. But, the problems you are describing could be sorted with a few mods of your own. And let's face it, whatever you buy you're likely to mod to your own taste. Say you buy an MT-07 next year. They're currently, what, about £5500-ish? By the time you get one, they might well have crept up by a couple hundred.
Then, chances are, Yam have put budget suspension on it (how else do they release a brand new model at such a good price?), so you'll be looking to upgrade that, then maybe the bars won't be quite right for you and...see where this is going?
So you got an FZ1 with a good spec at a cracking price - you know from folks on this forum, who you've come to know and trust, that the FZ1 is a cracking good bike - but to you, this one doesn't seem so. So, why not invest a little of what you saved on the cost of buying it to make it "fit" you. You've already had offers of help in that regard, use em, and get this bike to where it should be.
And you've just gone from a lightweight 600 to a litre bike - bound to feel very different, so learn to adapt your riding style. Try things like moving around on the bike more to optimise cornering balance, lean towards the inside mirror, shift your bum off the seat a bit (you don't have to be knees and elbows on the deck to make a difference) weight the pegs with your toes, use your knees to push the bike over into corners on longer rides to save your arms from work etc.
I think that's the answer - adapt the bike to suit you, and adapt to the different feel from your 6, give it some time, and I reckon you'll figure out it's strengths and weaknesses (and all bikes are likely to have something about them you don't especially like), and start to enjoy it more.
Or just ignore me and everyone else and continue your (likely fruitless) search to find a bike that's set up perfectly for you from the get-go ;)
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Armed with some new enthusiasm today i had a small fettle.......I'm still not happy though.
First of all i moved the bars about and got them right.....they were already ok but i just wanted to compare......then i very slightly fiddled with the front....i'm quite happy with the front.....it's the rear that is out.
Rear rebound is a mystery.......on the video i seen the shock is off the bike and the guy twiddles the little blue annodised thingy with his fingers on the bottom of the shock which clicks up and down......on mine though the thing wont budge and it is difficult to get my fingers on properly......but i can turn the 2 nuts directly below the blue adjustor which in turn moves the adjustor and the whole spring round and round , but i dont hear any clicking....so I've wound it downwards a bit anyway.......no real difference that i can tell.
Then I'm thinking i just don't like that the rear compression is fully wound out......it just doesn't sit right with me that it is on its full limit regardless of how i feel compression should be.
Anyway on a test ride it is the back end that is upsetting the bike......& me.....just before turning in the back end gets all unsettled over even the slightest bumps and focs up my line and it's the same mid corner...........my tiny brain translates this into it needs less compression.....but compression is all fully out........so i think foc it ill put on more just to see what it feels like.......i wind it half way on and go for a spin.......oooh doesn't feel too bad....could it even be better........then i take a big left in 5th gear doing a good speed......just took it earlier on at similar speed......the back wheel power slides what feels about a foot mid corner and settles down but scares the shit outta me....never had that happen before :o .......so half way was too much.....but at least it showed a result........so I'm gonna go 1/4 way instead and test that out tomorrow.
But the rear is still too crashy.......could it be as simple as the preload on the rear shock???........thing is i cant foccin adjust the preload coz i dont have the adjustment tool.....tried my 600 tool but it doesn't work either....bollocks!!!!!
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Armed with some new enthusiasm today i had a small fettle.......I'm still not happy though.
First of all i moved the bars about and got them right.....they were already ok but i just wanted to compare......then i very slightly fiddled with the front....i'm quite happy with the front.....it's the rear that is out.
Rear rebound is a mystery.......on the video i seen the shock is off the bike and the guy twiddles the little blue annodised thingy with his fingers on the bottom of the shock which clicks up and down......on mine though the thing wont budge and it is difficult to get my fingers on properly......but i can turn the 2 nuts directly below the blue adjustor which in turn moves the adjustor and the whole spring round and round , but i dont hear any clicking....so I've wound it downwards a bit anyway.......no real difference that i can tell.
Then I'm thinking i just don't like that the rear compression is fully wound out......it just doesn't sit right with me that it is on its full limit regardless of how i feel compression should be.
Anyway on a test ride it is the back end that is upsetting the bike......& me.....just before turning in the back end gets all unsettled over even the slightest bumps and focs up my line and it's the same mid corner...........my tiny brain translates this into it needs less compression.....but compression is all fully out........so i think foc it ill put on more just to see what it feels like.......i wind it half way on and go for a spin.......oooh doesn't feel too bad....could it even be better........then i take a big left in 5th gear doing a good speed......just took it earlier on at similar speed......the back wheel power slides what feels about a foot mid corner and settles down but scares the shit outta me....never had that happen before :o .......so half way was too much.....but at least it showed a result........so I'm gonna go 1/4 way instead and test that out tomorrow.
But the rear is still too crashy.......could it be as simple as the preload on the rear shock???........thing is i cant foccin adjust the preload coz i dont have the adjustment tool.....tried my 600 tool but it doesn't work either....bollocks!!!!!
Noggy, best thing you can do is ring up Nitron. There will be a code on the spring, ring them up and ask what weight rider that's for. If that's not close to yours then no matter what you do it'll be hard to get the bike handling anywhere near right!
With regards to the rebound at the back, that blue dial should just click around. If I'm reading you right, what you're doing is adusting the shock height (pretty certain the Nitrons have height adjustment). To be honest mate I'd likely be getting a centrestand fitted so you can take the shock off and make sure it's all working as it should be!
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Fucking hell Noggy,,you power sliding now,and you dont like it :eek
you ae my hero :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
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is he keeping it or not? as much as i like the lad every one of his threads is a wall of text! LOL
Well to be fair it wouldnt be a forum if there wasnt any text now would it fizzy :pokefun
Ive got an idea.....get yur wallet out £££££££
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Relating to riding position
I went renthal 755 mid rise on triumph risers
So bar height remains the same but the bars are more comfort able
I have a penske in mine and it was like a rock
I backed all the Preload off and slowly added till I had comfort and ride
I didn't do sag as pointless as my arm is stretched
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Keep it! I bought my FZ1 a month ago after having a gen 1 1000 for six years. I am still getting used to it but the handling is so much better, the front feels really planted. I do find the back end feels a bit hard but have not played with it yet.
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Thanks geezers
I think ill take a trip to a garage tomorrow and see what tools they got ie something to get the rear pre load adjusted & while im there ill get them to put the yokes back up to the top of the forks just so im on a level for starting off plus that will buy me that little extra clearance should my belly pan get close again.
Sunday should be half decent weather for a blast to check it all out hopefully.
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Wasn't there a thread on here about bonding with your ride. Perhaps Exups idea of bonding is the way to go. :b
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Noggy, your dilemma can be simply solved with a re-spray.
Your bike is RED, the fastest colour, and as a result it's a bit much for you. For a couple of hundred quid you could have it sprayed BLUE problem solved, you get all the benefits of a great modified thou but without the fast speed! :D
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Noggy....slow down a minute!
First off youve gone from the "comfort zone" of your 600 to a somewhat modified FZ1 that was, we presume, set up for its previous owner.
Now before you decide to sell,take a loss & possibly leave yourself BIKELESS :eek for the foreseeable future why not invest a bit of time & energy getting the bike set up for your height/weight/riding style/preferences?
This may involve a bit of expense but it might only be a case of a few minor adjustments to transform the ride.
Also be honest with yourself- are you trying to run before you can walk so to speak. ie your riding style may need fine tuning.
When you were following your Dad into bends were you expecting the thou to behave the same way as the 600?
Dont know how long youve been riding/how many different size bikes youve ridden but, unlike generic cages , they all have their idiosyncrasies and, as others have pointed out, it takes time to bond. In the meantime remember.... Slow in -Fast out!
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Just my tuppence worth but if you're not happy with it Noggy, continue with the sale. If you regret it later there are plenty around at reasonable money so you could always buy another. Not that I think you would as I reckon the one you have has put you off them. For some reason it seems like you are having a hell of a job setting it up which is strange as it really shouldn't be that difficult. By that, I mean that maybe you have a 'Friday afternoon' bike. On the other hand maybe the bike is fine but it's just not for you.
If you decide to buy another boxeye (if you continue to strip and sell yours) you will potentially have around 4k to play with. You might even decide to get another boxeye as they seem well suited to you and vice versa. That will leave you with a massive wad in your pocket and a bike that you know you like. Lets face it, you can get a corking boxeye for £1500 and a nice foxeye for a little bit more.
I also wouldn't bother with an MT07. An MT09 is another story though :evil
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I completely agree with almost all of the comments here.......all have an element of the truth to them......the fact is i took the punt on the FZ1 without knowing whether it would be for me or not......& i dont think it is........here i am sat on a saturday morning with a beautiful bike sitting in the shed and i dont want to ride it......that speaks for itself really......it is very quick but that isn't actually equating to more fun......just increased stakes & when going at normal speeds it just feels like bimbling and is therefore boring....whereby on the 600 you can feel quick at more legal speeds.....yes my dad did show me up a bit......but I've ridden with him on the 600 and had no issues....I've even led on it and had him struggling on some corners.....that was fun.......so it's either me or the bike.
Ok so I've only had the bike a couple months....but ive done a few thousand miles in that time.........i feel I've ticked the box in that i've at least tried a thou.....but I'm not all that impressed by it as a complete package....& there are so many bikes out there to give a chance to.....ok so ill lose £500 on the sale but like i say i think I've had £500 worth out of it....& i get £3k in my bank.....& id rather sit out the rest of the season than do more miles on a bike I'm not having fun on....& id rather someone else was enjoying it....my little fazer has bog standard and ancient budget suspension and i still have fun on it...that's the level of riding i enjoy......i can always pick up a rat bike to see me through the season if needs be.
& in the meantime ill try to like it.......maybe ill have a perfect ride out or get a bit of sport and think hey it didn't do bad there or whatever....it may never sell anyway but id rather have it up for sale now just incase it takes a while for it to sell.
Maybe it does just need a good setting up...probably does....but i've just got pissed off with it really....I'm sure you've all been there....no matter how much sense you read it doesn't change the feeling....a dark cloud over what should be fun.
So who fancies the challenge????............anyones wallet coming out yet...come and prove me wrong about my thoughts?
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Fair enough mate, it's for you to decide at the end of the day. It's true you don't really need all that power a thou gives you, and much is to be made of a light, nimble bike, so given that apart from a once a year trip to Scotland you don't do high mileage trips regularly, smaller could well be what you need.
So, remind me why you wanted shot of the 600? :eek :'( :lol
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Fair enough mate, it's for you to decide at the end of the day. It's true you don't really need all that power a thou gives you, and much is to be made of a light, nimble bike, so given that apart from a once a year trip to Scotland you don't do high mileage trips regularly, smaller could well be what you need.
So, remind me why you wanted shot of the 600? :eek :'( :lol
Ha ha......well.....i wanted better handling funny enough....the power wasn't an issue....what did i end up with.....something heavy, powerful and with shall we say complicated handling :rolleyes .....a sucker for a good deal...i couldnt resist it......ive just been out again and wasted another tank of fuel.....the front is fine....back end again just far too hard....it jars my back....so im gonna order a preload tool from nitron and that is my last chance at softening it up really.......it is staying in the shed until i get one......my 600 only has preload adjustment on the rear and ive cranked it up before and it gave similar rigidity so fingers crossed.
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Could. It be a stock shock would suit you better ..never had no issues with my OE one, perfect for me. Gotta agree with nick though, if it really ain't for you then it ain't bud, you've certainly given it a shot, that's more miles than some blokes I know do all year..
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Could. It be a stock shock would suit you better ..never had no issues with my OE one, perfect for me. Gotta agree with nick though, if it really ain't for you then it ain't bud, you've certainly given it a shot, that's more miles than some blokes I know do all year..
Cheers Ogri....you know i really don't wanna come across as ungrateful about it all or start slagging off FZ1's....i can see where it is supposed to be....on fast and swooping and perfectly surfaced roads it really shines and is a thrill to have banked over....but you know what i just got this gut feeling that even if i sort out the rear shock then the bike is still gonna be a tad uncomfy for me......if everything else was just perfect for me then i wouldn't mind a little outlay to get a company set it up but i fear that ill just spend money to be going down the same road a couple o months later.....so i can cut my losses on the £500 plus the tax i just bought & run rather than spending more and more money.
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i can see where it is supposed to be....on fast and swooping and perfectly surfaced roads it really shines and is a thrill to have banked over
Hmmm, where does that remind me of.......where is it you live? :pokefun
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I have a few things going on in my head here, in no particular order:
I love the look of your bike, I am tempted as I do mostly motorway commuting and maybe a thou would've been a better choice for me over my 600, purely for the acceleration.
Have you test rode any other FZ1S's? Do you know whether it's that particular bike or just that model you don't gel with, i.e. would the things that put you off also mean it would be a bad decision for me, given I've been riding just over a year?
How is the riding position compared to your 600? The only thing wrong with mine is that my legs get a bit cramped after an hour or so with the balls of my feet on the pegs. I'll be looking for something with a bit more legroom, which is why I'm considering an MT-09 as well. I wasn't even considering an FZ1S until I saw this, it's gorgeous!
And, if it looks like this would be a good bike for me, would you be interested in a part-ex with my 52 plate 600, with say £1500ish your way? I'll give plenty more details if you want a bike this summer.
However, if you get £3k for your bike (I see no reason that won't happen), a £3k deposit at a Yamaha dealer will get you an MT-07 for £73 per month on finance, for only £320.64 on top of the list price. So no need to go without a bike this summer at all.
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Hey Mr Self Destruct...a kind offer and also some more interesting facts there mate...what you say is a good point....especially about the finance......ok ill fess up...theres a couple more things going on behind the scenes......my long term job security is currently in doubt....all rumours at present but cuts will be made boo hoo.....so seriously speaking the word on the street is that my job "should" be ok.......but it has been enough to make me feel guilty about forking out 3.5k on a bike just before i found out..........so you see if i sell the bike the money will be in my paypal account...it will be either for a new bike next year when security has been confirmed........or it will be going on bills or retraining to get another job......but at least ill have the money......id hate to be in the sitution of franticly trying to sell all my stuff when i had a good warning........it is also why i am reluctant to spend any more money on non essentials.....ok a bit of fuel cant be grudged can it for a day of fun.....but at the moment it is zero takeaways or luxuries.
But for the above reason i also cant sign ip to more finance & id rather have the money than a trade in.
To top it off my missus isn't working plus she is pregnant....I'm delighted about that , well they say there's never a perfect time don't they but it is yet another reason to not be selfish and make sure i have dosh in the bank should the worst happen.
None of that changes my opinion so far about my thou but it does stop me modding it to get it right for me and that's just tough shit really......if i had the choice i would get that shock out and sent to Nitron for a refurb and set up to my exact spec....then id swap the bars for some nice Gold Renthal bars.....that's about it really...it has mostly all the cosmetic stuff id ever want......ok so ill bring the yokes back up to the top of the forks coz i need more clearance plus my nuts are getting squashed by always sliding forward onto the tank..........the rear sets look the business but id prob get them flogged and changed for some lower pegs........& Mr Self Destruct......i'd love to sell you this bike but i wont kid you on if you are cramped on the 600 it will be worse on this thou.......the rear sets and the position of the bars make for an uncomfortable ride for me..........not exactly selling it am i........it will no doubt sell to someone who already knows what they are all about i think or someone who is willing to do the couple of small mods to get it right.
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And the salesman of the year goes to noggythenog :rollin
No one could ever say u wasn't truthful mate
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Mr nog i see your more and more talking yourself out of the ownership of this bike as the underlieing reasons surface - seems i spent a good hour trying to find answers to ya stiff rear end on the yank site
if your heart is not init then you have two options cut your loss and sell give yourself the secuirity of money if job goes or she has quads :eek
option 2 stick it in the garage take a time out to refocus and revisit it
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And the salesman of the year goes to noggythenog :rollin
No one could ever say u wasn't truthful mate
Aye mate :lol
But there's nowt worse than bullshitters and liars and this site sees its fair share of them over the years so i try to shift over to what the site should be....helpful & honest.....& obviously i've got a bit o stick for selling it now but i dont mind because i know the guys are being honest themselves & tryin to look out for me a bit......but theres no saving some folk :b ......[size=78%]at 3k & maybe a couple hundred quid to sort it out then im sure it will be a good bike for somebody.[/size]
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Mr nog i see your more and more talking yourself out of the ownership of this bike as the underlieing reasons surface - seems i spent a good hour trying to find answers to ya stiff rear end on the yank site
if your heart is not init then you have two options cut your loss and sell give yourself the secuirity of money if job goes or she has quads :eek
option 2 stick it in the garage take a time out to refocus and revisit it
Oh cheers Devilsyam....im still up for any info though......i mean i could be stuck with it anyway in which case i need it to be the best it can get.
I sent an email to nitron today as they were out the office..i sent them the symptoms and described how it felt and asked about the rebound adjustor so if they can give me a ball park figure of what this shock should or shouldnt be then that might help......plus ill order a preload c spanner off them......there's a maximum of 3 threads left on the screw above the preload ring adjustor....i dont know how much of a turn each click will take but i am hopeful that a simple bit of preload adjustment could make a big difference.
Edit:-actually whats goin on.......how you type so much........has your wife hacked your account :lol
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Wow noggy, it probably just wasn't meant to be for either of us then! :lol
Hey Mr Self Destruct...a kind offer and also some more interesting facts there mate...what you say is a good point....especially about the finance......ok ill fess up...theres a couple more things going on behind the scenes......my long term job security is currently in doubt....all rumours at present but cuts will be made boo hoo.....so seriously speaking the word on the street is that my job "should" be ok.......but it has been enough to make me feel guilty about forking out 3.5k on a bike just before i found out..........so you see if i sell the bike the money will be in my paypal account...it will be either for a new bike next year when security has been confirmed........or it will be going on bills or retraining to get another job......but at least ill have the money......id hate to be in the sitution of franticly trying to sell all my stuff when i had a good warning........it is also why i am reluctant to spend any more money on non essentials.....ok a bit of fuel cant be grudged can it for a day of fun.....but at the moment it is zero takeaways or luxuries.
But for the above reason i also cant sign ip to more finance & id rather have the money than a trade in.
I sympathise with you mate, I've been there myself. Got put on short time and sold everything except my bed to keep the house. It's a horrible situation to be in so you're doing the right thing. Just not yet. ;) At the price you're asking you'll sell easily, so for my two penneth keep it until you need to sell. And FYI I put £3k deposit in on the finance website here:
http://www.yamahafinance.co.uk/motorbikes/mt/mt-07/?vo=3421 (http://www.yamahafinance.co.uk/motorbikes/mt/mt-07/?vo=3421)
You'll probably get a lot less if you offered it as a p/x anyway but sell it straight for £3k and you can put that down cash.
To top it off my missus isn't working plus she is pregnant....I'm delighted about that , well they say there's never a perfect time don't they but it is yet another reason to not be selfish and make sure i have dosh in the bank should the worst happen.
You too eh? Congratulations! Talking of not the perfect time, I bought my Fazer in June last year and ever since have been saving up to buy a brand new bike. Specifically an MT-09. I worked loads of overtime (65 hour weeks for 9 months!) and it took me until February to save enough cash. The very week I hit the magic £7k my wife told me she was pregnant. I was equally delighted and gutted! :'( Now I can't justify blowing it on a bike.
None of that changes my opinion so far about my thou but it does stop me modding it to get it right for me and that's just tough shit really......if i had the choice i would get that shock out and sent to Nitron for a refurb and set up to my exact spec....then id swap the bars for some nice Gold Renthal bars.....that's about it really...it has mostly all the cosmetic stuff id ever want......ok so ill bring the yokes back up to the top of the forks coz i need more clearance plus my nuts are getting squashed by always sliding forward onto the tank..........the rear sets look the business but id prob get them flogged and changed for some lower pegs........& Mr Self Destruct......i'd love to sell you this bike but i wont kid you on if you are cramped on the 600 it will be worse on this thou.......the rear sets and the position of the bars make for an uncomfortable ride for me..........not exactly selling it am i........it will no doubt sell to someone who already knows what they are all about i think or someone who is willing to do the couple of small mods to get it right.
Well it seems like an FZ1S isn't for me after all then. Thanks for your honest opinion, it's refreshing to read something like that.
Whatever you decide to do, I wish you the very best of luck with it. :)
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I think one of these more suits my riding abilities right now.
My missus been looking at them all day while I've been looking at bikes
They are £3k
Oh foc!!!!!! :eek
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I think one of these more suits my riding abilities right now.
My missus been looking at them all day while I've been looking at bikes
They are £3k
Oh foc!!!!!! :eek
Shit does it come with a free baby :rolleyes :eek
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Hi Noggy I have a FZ6 naked with new mot tax alarm crash bobbins great bike fully serviced if you fancy a swap
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Congratulations, noggy to you & your good lady!
Now your recent posts begin to make sense!
Just a few thoughts.......
If you decide to sell FZ1 why spend any more money on "sorting" rear suspension?
Sell privately if possible.
Before buying another bike get an extended test ride.
Why the MT07?.........74bhp....your noggyfighter is 95!
If your in the market for this style of bike-think about the MT09.....more power than an FZS 600/FZ6 but light and nimble...theyre will be a few ex-demonstator/low mileage one owner 2nd hand ones around in a year or so @ reasonable prices.
PCP is not as good for the customer as many people think!
Dont feel bad that you & the FZ1 didnt gel-at least you gave it a try.
Theres so much choice of bikes....sizes,geometry,power development and its "horses for courses".
Whatever you decide-good luck!
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"Shit comes with a free baby" :eek
you mean "a baby comes with free SHIT " :lol :lol :lol :lol
Nice one Mr Noggy,,,
Do you know the father ?
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Nice one Mr Noggy,,,
Do you know the father ?
:rollin
Subtle as a brick :rollin
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Hi Noggy I have a FZ6 naked with new mot tax alarm crash bobbins great bike fully serviced if you fancy a swap
I must politely decline Gerry although worth an ask.......very capable bikes those FZ6....as I've been shown......but they just don't float my boat......some of the series 2 models look pretty nice......good luck with the swap.
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Congratulations, noggy to you & your good lady!
Now your recent posts begin to make sense!
Just a few thoughts.......
If you decide to sell FZ1 why spend any more money on "sorting" rear suspension?
Sell privately if possible.
Before buying another bike get an extended test ride.
Why the MT07?.........74bhp....your noggyfighter is 95!
If your in the market for this style of bike-think about the MT09.....more power than an FZS 600/FZ6 but light and nimble...theyre will be a few ex-demonstator/low mileage one owner 2nd hand ones around in a year or so @ reasonable prices.
PCP is not as good for the customer as many people think!
Dont feel bad that you & the FZ1 didnt gel-at least you gave it a try.
Theres so much choice of bikes....sizes,geometry,power development and its "horses for courses".
Whatever you decide-good luck!
Cheers Dave
Fingers crossed the mighty C spanner does something for me.
& yes a decent test ride is in order....i dived right in with the FZ.
I always had the MT09 on my list but what attracts me to the MT07 is that it is the most like the original fazer......of modern times anyway....not saying they are that simillar but have similar aims ie low price, basic, cheap to run, light and nimble & fun..........plus a chance for folk with 'normal' buying power to own a new bike and having a bike from new or nearly new is something i strive for as i will finally know its history and treat it right from the start.....but equally if an MT09 nearly comes along at the right price then i would prefer one.....they look a bit more trick......i've just learnt that big power differences on bikes don't equate to that much difference on the roads........only really on the overtakes......every other situation then i think that low power and low weight triumph........if someone is backing off on their thou at 90moh for a corner then what's the point in being able to do more than 90 if you only ride on twisty roads....and a small capacity bike will still easily get up to 90mph........the little fazer all to easily gets up to the tonne......i honestly have only ever rarely exceded these speeds on the longest and most open corners.......it is a true rarity....& naughty :evil
Where the thou is good is the gears....you can stay in 6th in corners and still get drive and you dont need to go down the box to overtake either.
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Nogster. Firstly, congrats, being a dad rocks..secondly...I'm a father of two, a grandfather of four. My kids are all grown up( sons 36, daughters 25) and the one thing for certain in all this debate is this..if you lose your bikes now once the nipper is here it will be approx ten years before you get another. There will always be something to take priority once you've got a littlun. If you actually worked out how much it realistically costs to bring up a kid it would astound you. Once you've got the baby, unless your wealthy which none of us are, you won't be getting a bike again for a lonnnnnnnnng time...Trust me on this..but, if you already have a bike, whether it's your 3 grand fz1 or a ratty old five hundred quid 600, you've got it, you can keep it, no matter how many arrive over the years from "noggys rod of plenty". ( once wimmin start having em they tend to want more...)
Keep the faith my friend... ;)
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I'm in the same boat as ogri48
I'm in the same boat as ogri48 (kids gone etc.) the man is dead right in what he was saying , you have a cracking bike, sell it and you'll regret it .
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Nogster. Firstly, congrats, being a dad rocks..secondly...I'm a father of two, a grandfather of four. My kids are all grown up( sons 36, daughters 25) and the one thing for certain in all this debate is this..if you lose your bikes now once the nipper is here it will be approx ten years before you get another. There will always be something to take priority once you've got a littlun. If you actually worked out how much it realistically costs to bring up a kid it would astound you. Once you've got the baby, unless your wealthy which none of us are, you won't be getting a bike again for a lonnnnnnnnng time...Trust me on this..but, if you already have a bike, whether it's your 3 grand fz1 or a ratty old five hundred quid 600, you've got it, you can keep it, no matter how many arrive over the years from "noggys rod of plenty". ( once wimmin start having em they tend to want more...)
Keep the faith my friend... ;)
True dat!
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no worries fella thanks for replying and good luck pops :D
Hi Noggy I have a FZ6 naked with new mot tax alarm crash bobbins great bike fully serviced if you fancy a swap
I must politely decline Gerry although worth an ask.......very capable bikes those FZ6....as I've been shown......but they just don't float my boat......some of the series 2 models look pretty nice......good luck with the swap.
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hey Noggy !!!!!
I know you put your bike up for sale on here ,,yeh,, that's ok.....
butttt .....
did you ask for any advice ? :lol :lol :lol :lol ,, can't remember :D
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hey Noggy !!!!!
I know you put your bike up for sale on here ,,yeh,, that's ok.....
butttt .....
did you ask for any advice ? :lol :lol :lol :lol ,, can't remember :D
Well.....no.....not exactly.........i did invite discussion though & theres been plenty of that.......will it change my mind if someone offers me the 3k right now........i reckon id take the money........but that may change after i get hold of a c spanner......if i get it a bit more comfortable then ill see it out to the end of summer & trade it in next year.
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sell the thou,keep the noggy fighter? pretty certain no one who's got dibs on anything would resent you NOT breaking her?? all those in favour say aye?! :)
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hey Noggy !!!!!
I know you put your bike up for sale on here ,,yeh,, that's ok.....
butttt .....
did you ask for any advice ? :lol :lol :lol :lol ,, can't remember :D
Well.....no.....not exactly.........i did invite discussion though & theres been plenty of that.......will it change my mind if someone offers me the 3k right now........i reckon id take the money........but that may change after i get hold of a c spanner......if i get it a bit more comfortable then ill see it out to the end of summer & trade it in next year.
Noggy, I'm slightly confused as to why you're selling a bike because you think the preload is too hard?
Have you asked Nitron about what spring rate is on there already?
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hey Noggy !!!!!
I know you put your bike up for sale on here ,,yeh,, that's ok.....
butttt .....
did you ask for any advice ? :lol :lol :lol :lol ,, can't remember :D
Well.....no.....not exactly.........i did invite discussion though & theres been plenty of that.......will it change my mind if someone offers me the 3k right now........i reckon id take the money........but that may change after i get hold of a c spanner......if i get it a bit more comfortable then ill see it out to the end of summer & trade it in next year.
Noggy, I'm slightly confused as to why you're selling a bike because you think the preload is too hard?
Have you asked Nitron about what spring rate is on there already?
No mate i cant see any codes....if they're up by the top of the shock then it is within the depths of the bike & i cant get a good enough view up there.......& i don't really think it will be as simple as the preload.......but i hope that it is...i gotta have a little hope for £15 worth of c spanner....& i sent nitron an email to see what help they can offer or advice on that non budging rebound knob.....i basically did allot of miles over a few days and just thought nahhhh......instead of getting more into the bike i was getting further disgruntled by it......& every tank of fuel spent analysing & wondering & stressing was another £20 down the drain but without the enjoyment........so i thought foc it I'm selling it......i dont owe it anything....it is a machine for my enjoyment & i'm not enjoying it.........luckily yous foccers have put forward some ideas so i haven't bothered putting it up for sale anywhere else and there isn't much interest anyway so far so ill take it a step at a time for now but I'm[size=78%] not prepared to start forking out loads o dosh on it.[/size]
Fingers crossed. :)
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Lovely looking bike!!
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Lovely looking bike!!
Cheers 8)
I cant fault her looks....she is still a head turner for an old beast.
Still no further with getting a c spanner :( ......ordered one via nitron on Monday.......looks like they forgot to send it.Foc!!!!
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What are you hoping to do Noggy,,,,soften it?
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