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General => General => Topic started by: ChristoT on 17 June 2014, 09:49:44 pm
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I've just spent a fruitless evening under the hood of the Peugeot. The car seems to be trying to overheat, when I stop now after a drive, there's a loud hissing from the front of the engine, and inspection shows it to be coolant making a break for freedom at high pressure from the piepes and the cap of the coolant reservoir. I thought it might be the thermostat causing this build up of pressure. So I get it out, covering myself, the engine bay and the road in coolant in the process. Finally get it sealed back up, put close to 4L of coolant ot replace the stuff that pissed all over the floor, checked the thermostat - the fucker works! So I'm stuck with a problem that no-one seems to know the reason for, not enough money (or motivation, frankly) to put it into the very expensive garage near work, buit living in mortal fear the fucker's going to do a ZX4 on me and blow up.
I fucking hate this car. :wall :2guns :grumble
On the plus side, big props to Dead Eye who endured 20 minutes of my grumbling incompetence. Top Foccer. :thumbup
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Symptoms of a leaking head gasket over pressurising the coolant system.
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Symptoms of a leaking head gasket over pressurising the coolant system.
Yeah, that's what I feared. Oil level is good though, looks black as tar (due a change in just under 2,000 miles), and no obvious white smoke out the back. Fucking thing.
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If it's getting out of the pipes and cap your pipes and cap are knackered to allow it out. Over pressuring on a Peugeot diesel is a sign that the head gasket is on it's way out. You can postpone the inevitable with a bottle of K-Seal but it'll need doing sooner or later. A mate's wife had a 306 estate that started doing it so he took it in for MoT so he could flog it quick with a years ticket. While in the MoT bay with the testers head under the bonnet and the engine running, there was a loud pop and the tester emerged from under the bonnet covered in anti-freeze as the pressure had split the header tank......
It won't get into the oil or try to burn coolant, it'll just put combustion gases into the cooling system.
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If it's getting out of the pipes and cap your pipes and cap are knackered to allow it out. Over pressuring on a Peugeot diesel is a sign that the head gasket is on it's way out. You can postpone the inevitable with a bottle of K-Seal but it'll need doing sooner or later. A mate's wife had a 306 estate that started doing it so he took it in for MoT so he could flog it quick with a years ticket. While in the MoT bay with the testers head under the bonnet and the engine running, there was a loud pop and the tester emerged from under the bonnet covered in anti-freeze as the pressure had split the header tank......
It won't get into the oil or try to burn coolant, it'll just put combustion gases into the cooling system.
That might explain why the coolant felt really greasy...
It has to last until Friday. I shall then persuade my parents to let me flog it pronto!!
Anyone got a cheap bike for sale? :rolleyes
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If it's getting out of the pipes and cap your pipes and cap are knackered to allow it out. Over pressuring on a Peugeot diesel is a sign that the head gasket is on it's way out. You can postpone the inevitable with a bottle of K-Seal but it'll need doing sooner or later. A mate's wife had a 306 estate that started doing it so he took it in for MoT so he could flog it quick with a years ticket. While in the MoT bay with the testers head under the bonnet and the engine running, there was a loud pop and the tester emerged from under the bonnet covered in anti-freeze as the pressure had split the header tank......
It won't get into the oil or try to burn coolant, it'll just put combustion gases into the cooling system.
That might explain why the coolant felt really greasy...
It has to last until Friday. I shall then persuade my parents to let me flog it pronto!!
Anyone got a cheap bike for sale? :rolleyes
Best crack on with the project old boy!
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Are you 100% sure it's the head gasket gone? The coolant system is under pressure anyway as it runs at over 100 degrees. It's sealed in order to raise the boiling point of the coolant, so it can do its job more efficiently (just like a pressure cooker). It could just be knackered pipes as they go brittle and split with age, so don't write the car off just yet. :)
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Yes, but:
When I pulled the thermostat yesterday (the prime suspect), the coolant felt really greasy: I thought there might be oil in it (but my oil levels were good).
After filling the car back up, I turned the car on to run the coolant through. And the system immediately went under not inconsiderable pressure, despite the engine & coolant being cold.
Admittedly, the hissing only happens after the engine has had a fastish run and got up to temp. But I'm still very concerned about it blowing up on me.
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we used to have a pigout as we called it it had a regular problem that for no good reason it would get an air block in the coolant system
the way it was finally cured was it over heated blow the engine and it was sent to the scrape pile in the sky ( best place for it )
sorry I cant be more help !
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Yup, my daughters little pug used to get air locks. The radiator eventually needed replacing, it was nigh on impossible to get the air out after that. Horrible things, she has never had one since.
Any car garage can do a simple test for gas in the coolant bud, then you'll know for sure.
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French cars.... Say no more, maybe you will have more luck with an Aixam? LOL
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I described the problem to a coworker who races BMWs, and is very car savvy. He offered to have a look; as we approached the (now cold) car, he spotted a puddle under the car. As I loosened the cap, coolant started spurting.
His verdict? Head gasket, and dead as a dodo.
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Could you kill one of these? http://www.ligier.fr/js-50-club (http://www.ligier.fr/js-50-club)
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BBrown: probably. :(
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Are you 100% sure it's the head gasket gone? The coolant system is under pressure anyway as it runs at over 100 degrees. It's sealed in order to raise the boiling point of the coolant, so it can do its job more efficiently (just like a pressure cooker). It could just be knackered pipes as they go brittle and split with age, so don't write the car off just yet. :)
This was my line of thinking when I spoke to Christo on the phone
Any car garage can do a simple test for gas in the coolant bud, then you'll know for sure.
I also suggested this :P
Christo, just get the car checked before making any rash decisions based on nothing more than theory and hyperbole
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Are you 100% sure it's the head gasket gone? The coolant system is under pressure anyway as it runs at over 100 degrees. It's sealed in order to raise the boiling point of the coolant, so it can do its job more efficiently (just like a pressure cooker). It could just be knackered pipes as they go brittle and split with age, so don't write the car off just yet. :)
This was my line of thinking when I spoke to Christo on the phone
Any car garage can do a simple test for gas in the coolant bud, then you'll know for sure.
I also suggested this :P
Christo, just get the car checked before making any rash decisions based on nothing more than theory and hyperbole
The coolant is bright red, and you can see the sheen from the diesel in it. It's buggered.
I will get my landlord (ex mechanic) to double check, but I doubt he'll say different. I am now also losing coolant at an alarming rate. :(
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I've been fucking ZX-4'ed!!
Got home, coolant hissing out the cap. The coolant is at ambient temperature. Suspicion? Failed water pump, causing block overheating, causing head gasket failure!!
I am sure it's the head gasket - topped it up just now with coolant, started the engine, coolant level dropped immediately. Topped it up, then it started bubbling! Still stone cold, and you could see whitish smoke coming out of the bubbles!
Head gasket is completely and utterly shagged.
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Damn it man, does nothing go right f' thee? :eek
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Damn it man, does nothing go right f' thee? :eek
You tell me!
Parents Skyping at 8:30pm, not looking forward to that. :(
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Just spoke to my parents. :wall :wall :wall :wall
Nuff said.
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That's not enough said Christo! What did they say? I know they were against you getting another bike on the road, but what are they saying to your car running like a bag of spanners?
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Put it this way - it went so well, that towards the end of the conversation, they were implying I'd caused the head gasket failure deliberately.
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Yowzer. I see your predicament. Good luck mate, hopefully they see reason.
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Put it this way - it went so well, that towards the end of the conversation, they were implying I'd caused the head gasket failure deliberately.
Did you :eek :lol :lol :lol
I have a 400 Fazer for sale :)
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Put it this way - it went so well, that towards the end of the conversation, they were implying I'd caused the head gasket failure deliberately.
Can see their point if you through in the bit about buying a bike
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Yowzer. I see your predicament. Good luck mate, hopefully they see reason.
And thanks BTW for enduring 20mins of me complaining!! :lol :lol
Put it this way - it went so well, that towards the end of the conversation, they were implying I'd caused the head gasket failure deliberately.
Did you :eek :lol :lol :lol
I have a 400 Fazer for sale :)
No I didn't.
I have a bike already, you wouldn't sell me the 400 when I needed it, I had to get the ZX-4 instead. Foc off. :lol :kiss
Put it this way - it went so well, that towards the end of the conversation, they were implying I'd caused the head gasket failure deliberately.
Can see their point if you through in the bit about buying a bike
No, I suggested putting Project Fazer on the road as stock as it's there, and requires very little further investment to make it effective transport.
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Yowzer. I see your predicament. Good luck mate, hopefully they see reason.
And thanks BTW for enduring 20mins of me complaining!! :lol :lol
Put it this way - it went so well, that towards the end of the conversation, they were implying I'd caused the head gasket failure deliberately.
Did you :eek :lol :lol :lol
I have a 400 Fazer for sale :)
No I didn't.
I have a bike already, you wouldn't sell me the 400 when I needed it, I had to get the ZX-4 instead. Foc off. :lol :kiss
Put it this way - it went so well, that towards the end of the conversation, they were implying I'd caused the head gasket failure deliberately.
Can see their point if you through in the bit about buying a bike
No, I suggested putting Project Fazer on the road as stock as it's there, and requires very little further investment to make it effective transport.
What part of that suggestion would possibly make them suspicious :rolleyes
Perhaps they'd have thought differently had you asked for money to get car repaired
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You can postpone the inevitable with a bottle of K-Seal but it'll need doing sooner or later. .
As said by Rusty, grab some K-seal. On some cars its been known to last a couple of years. Lots of Rovers have it in due to shite engines - mainly the K series engines ironically.
Try it, nowt to lose Christo.
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Yeah, the Rovers definitely have that issue; my sisters MG ZS (Rover 45 basically) blew up last month with head gasket failure.
Christo; I know you'd rather not, but have you considered replacing the engine in the 106? Should be a cheapish way of keeping you on more than 0 wheels
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Or just pull the head off and put a new gasket in it? You won't be looking at a huge cost as they all do it sooner or later. Not as inevitable as on a K Series but most of them do it.
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If it were just the head gasket, I would be seriously considering just replacing the gasket. But it's not just the gasket - the water pump is dead, end the head is (most likely) distorted.
Swapping out the engine is not viable either: I don't have the tools, time or expertise to do it. Plus, the car isn't worth it - I paid £400 for it, and now it has a dodgy wheel bearing, knackered shocks, and electrical gremlins. Absolutely not worth it.
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U could crash it for the insurance... Shouldn't be too difficult lol
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"U could crash it for the insurance... Shouldn't be too difficult lol" ohhh nasty :lol :lol
I can see the claws coming out again soon ! stand back everyone its going to be handbags at fifty paces! :rollin
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:lurk :lol
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If it were just the head gasket, I would be seriously considering just replacing the gasket. But it's not just the gasket - the water pump is dead, end the head is (most likely) distorted.
Swapping out the engine is not viable either: I don't have the tools, time or expertise to do it. Plus, the car isn't worth it - I paid £400 for it, and now it has a dodgy wheel bearing, knackered shocks, and electrical gremlins. Absolutely not worth it.
You are likely right about the head. If the gasket has gone then it will probably need skimming. The Water Pump shouldn't be that expensive I wouldn't have thought...
But realistically I don't see what options you have. It's more or less a case of trying to live beyond what you can afford, I'm not sure there is any solution other than give up for the time being. Recover your losses, save some money and try again later
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Buy a bicycle :lol
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Buy a bicycle :lol
More than likely all the spokes would break ;)
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If it were just the head gasket, I would be seriously considering just replacing the gasket. But it's not just the gasket - the water pump is dead, end the head is (most likely) distorted.
Swapping out the engine is not viable either: I don't have the tools, time or expertise to do it. Plus, the car isn't worth it - I paid £400 for it, and now it has a dodgy wheel bearing, knackered shocks, and electrical gremlins. Absolutely not worth it.
You are likely right about the head. If the gasket has gone then it will probably need skimming. The Water Pump shouldn't be that expensive I wouldn't have thought...
But realistically I don't see what options you have. It's more or less a case of trying to live beyond what you can afford, I'm not sure there is any solution other than give up for the time being. Recover your losses, save some money and try again later
If its the same as renault changing the water pump will require the cambelt to be changed. I knew of a couple of people who attempted this and the engine blew up a short while later as they done it wrong.
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Easier to chop it in and get another vehicle.
The aggravating thing is that for under £500 - so, the sale of the car for scrap & ebay, and the insurance return would actually pay for the Fazer to be put on the road. But my parents refuse to let me do that.
Fucked if you do, fucked if you don't.
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I get the distinct impression your parents do not trust you with mechanically propelled vehicles :eek
You will need to change you method of grovelling :lol
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Theres loads o cars out there for £500 mate...disposable ones with tax & mot....rag em til they break & then buy another one....loads o folk do this but id advise some breakdown cover to compliment them....tis a lottery but eventually youll pick up a cheap one that just runs and runs with minimum spending......nobody seems to want these cars coz so many kids these days get brand new cars as their first cars and many older folk are on finance.
Main thing is getting to work on your own steam...a bit gutting about not having a bike but presuming the folks help you out in other ways then best to keep them happy for now.
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Easier to chop it in and get another vehicle.
The aggravating thing is that for under £500 - so, the sale of the car for scrap & ebay, and the insurance return would actually pay for the Fazer to be put on the road. But my parents refuse to let me do that.
Fucked if you do, fucked if you don't.
Not sure how to put this Christo, but if you can't afford to get another car, and your parents won't help you out, then you'll have to do what needs to be done to get transport, even if that goes against your parents wishes?
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If it were just the head gasket, I would be seriously considering just replacing the gasket. But it's not just the gasket - the water pump is dead, end the head is (most likely) distorted.
Swapping out the engine is not viable either: I don't have the tools, time or expertise to do it. Plus, the car isn't worth it - I paid £400 for it, and now it has a dodgy wheel bearing, knackered shocks, and electrical gremlins. Absolutely not worth it.
Excuses................I've change a fair few head gaskets (inc k series) and took chance without head skim and all ended ok. the one time I did have the head skimmed, it wasn't expensive......
Water pump again not expensive and if you're that hard up go to a breakers and get one.
Think £57 on a seat pod and Christo knows how much for a swing arm and wheel plus other bits which you're not even sure will fit .
Truth you could afford to repair it but just don't want to :evil [size=78%] [/size]
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Here's the nub - they will help out: their way. And their way is a way I know they can't afford. They are saying they will replace the Peugeot and insure it out of their own pocket. They seem to think transport for me at Uni is not required (yes it foccin' is!), but have implied they will foot those bills too. It's complete lunacy, I can't see them spending under £2,000 on this hare-brained scheme. Even my brother agrees with me - and we've only just stopped hating each others' guts! :eek
Their issue is that their way is the only right way. Anyone remember the fight I had to go through to persuade them to let me get the car in the first place? They conveniently forgot that! Their alternative was a brand new Chinky 125. And they think the Fazer is a deathtrap!!!! :rolleyes
Midden - I have neither the tools, not the time, nor the money, nor the expertise to strip the Peugeot, or have it stripped and rebuilt. Nor do I really want to spend money on that car. See post above about its other issues. Did I fail to mention the dodgy CV joint?
The final issue: my parents are funding me through Uni, and are subsiding my living now (work pays peanuts - no way I can live off what they pay me). If I get on a bike, they are threatening to withdraw all support. So I'm focced. :(
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Your parents have already funded a car and insurance right? I think you owe it to them to fix it and recoup their money and not be expecting them to bail you out of every problem.
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Your parents have already funded a car and insurance right? I think you owe it to them to fix it and recoup their money and not be expecting them to bail you out of every problem.
Dudeness: wrong. They lent me the money, with a ton of conditions attached - and I still need to pay them back.
I want their OK to ride my bike, no more. I don't want them to bail me out, I don't want them to buy me a new car. I can get the Fazer back on the road with what I have + what I'll get back from the car and insurance.
And that's what they won't foccin' give me. One bloody word, no more, no less.
Cycling not really an option. Apart from me being lazy, it's 20 miles each way. Not fun after 9 hours at work.
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Christo, I'm afraid it sounds a little as though you're looking for some sympathy - I'm afraid you're in the wrong place pal. Where you need to go look, is in the dictionary - you'll find it in between shit and syphilis :lol :kiss
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Not after sympathy, just venting. It's mad that I have to persuade my parents NOT to spend a fortune when there's a free option that will be resolved sooner!
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No.
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Not after sympathy, just venting. It's mad that I have to persuade my parents NOT to spend a fortune when there's a free option that will be resolved sooner!
Just put ya bike on the road, if ya parents don't like it, tough. If they stop funding you, tough, doubt they will though. Even if they do stop funding it won't be life threatening you're in UK.
Failing this stop venting, be grateful and put up with their wishes.
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I know it's not what you want to hear....but I can understand their fear of you getting back on two wheels.
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Lets get this right. Your parents are funding you through uni so you end up paying them back rather than paying the Government back a student loan for the next 30 years of your life. They've bought you a car and paid for your insurance as they think you will kill yourself on a bike (and they are probably right), you claim to have no money but you've been spending money on bits to make a dogs dinner out of what could have been restored into a mint Fazer and, despite being convinced you can bodge together lots of bits from other bikes into something that will work and look good, you claim to not have the skills to change a bloody head gasket? You can get a Haynes manual from your local library so that won't cost you a penny. Stop moaning, sit down with the manual, look at the pictures and read the words and then get out there and sort it.
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I know it's not what you want to hear....but I can understand their fear of you getting back on two wheels.
Don't get me wrong, I can see where they are coming from. I just think they're over doing it.
Rusty, there is so much wrong with you post, I'm going to have to break it down:
Lets get this right. Your parents are funding you through uni so you end up paying them back rather than paying the Government back a student loan for the next 30 years of your life.
Indeed. And I am very grateful for it. They've bought you a car and paid for your insurance as they think you will kill yourself on a bike (and they are probably right),
They lent me the money to buy the car, with full expectation of repayment and a string of conditions long as your arm. I'm not so sure about the killing myself bit, and intend to take safety courses. You have never ridden with me, so cannot comment on my abilities.
you claim to have no money but you've been spending money on bits to make a dogs dinner out of what could have been restored into a mint Fazer
Currently, I have just under £200 of spending money per month that isn't tied up in fue, rent or food. All other expenses come from that: clothes, spare parts for the car, beer if I go down the pub. Part of the reason Project Fazer is taking so long is because I have to budget every expense very, very carefully, getting the best deals I can off ebay etc.
and, despite being convinced you can bodge together lots of bits from other bikes into something that will work and look good, you claim to not have the skills to change a bloody head gasket?
Not when I need said vehicle to commute, and when I have no proper tools! Give me a workshop, a manual, and plenty of time, and I could probably muddle my way through it. I have none of those here. All the serious engineering on the bike (swingarm and eexhausts) is planned to be done by a professional fabricator.
You can get a Haynes manual from your local library so that won't cost you a penny. Stop moaning, sit down with the manual, look at the pictures and read the words and then get out there and sort it.
See above. Also, as I said earlier in the thread, the engine is just one of the car's problems. Whatever happens, it's getting sold for spares or scrap: I haven't got the time, money or enthusiasm to pour into it to get it back up to good condition.
My frustration at the moment stems from the fact that I have an alternative, I have a plan B that has been thought out, which requires minimal investment and work - and it's been vetoed off the table, with no other sensible solution on offer. THAT'S why I'm frustrated.
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I have to agree with most of what's been said. You need to come to terms with the fact that you have no money. That means taking the cheapest and/or most cost effective route
Now, if we assume for the moment that you must absolutely have transport, then you are going to need it fast. That basically throws your project Fazer out the window as it will take too long and cost too much in all of time, parts, tax and insurance.
You don't learn by not doing. I've learnt everything I know by being a cheap bastard because I never had money when I was younger and therefore couldn't afford to buy things new or pay for garages to do the work. So I did it myself, sometimes I had help with particularly large tasks, but for most part its been just me, a manual and the internet. You have done enough work on your Fazer to be competent enough to work on the 106. You may not like the damn thing, but the fact of the matter is that its your only real lifeline.
Neither a head gasket or CV Joint requires any super expensive specialist tools and the parts are quite cheap for small French cars. Hell, the entire new driveshaft just to replace the ABS ring on my car cost only £65 fitted and its in a whole different league to your box on wheels.
The only other feasible option in my opinion is what noggy suggested, which is to buy another cheap second hand car just to drive until it dies. The most expensive car I've purchased, ever, was £500. Granted it wasn't the most sensible option as it was 24 years old and rather expensive to insure, BUT that is beside the point.
Failing these two options, you refuse to take the help from your parents and decide to get project Fazer back on the road. What exactly is the harm in them cutting you off? I'm sorry but in my opinion once you're over 18 you should learn to fend for yourself and how to make sensible financial decisions. University is a generally a stage of life where you have very very little money and I'm pretty sure you are investing a lot more than most other students in to running a vehicle.
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You've just posted so I'll comment on one or two things additionally;
Currently, I have just under £200 of spending money per month that isn't tied up in fue, rent or food. All other expenses come from that: clothes, spare parts for the car, beer if I go down the pub. Part of the reason Project Fazer is taking so long is because I have to budget every expense very, very carefully, getting the best deals I can off ebay etc.
If you don't have money for food, you certainly don't have money for beer. If you have £200 of spending money per month, then you have more than I do as I frequently spend more than I earn which has become a slight issue with Credit Cards, which I have thankfully gotten under control.
Not when I need said vehicle to commute, and when I have no proper tools! Give me a workshop, a manual, and plenty of time, and I could probably muddle my way through it. I have none of those here. All the serious engineering on the bike (swingarm and eexhausts) is planned to be done by a professional fabricator.
This goes back to my point above; if you want to have the swingarm and exhaust done professionally it is going to cost a very large amount of money and time to complete this project. In the meantime you will have no form of transport - this seems completely illogical.
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Edit: Figured I should add that I mean no offence, it's just tough love.
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Not sure what was so wrong about my post and as Dead Eye says, you learn by doing. A 106 diesel head gasket is £13.99 with free delivery from eBay, about the only specialist tool you might need is a torque wrench and you don't need a garage. You've been to my place and seen the garage. Do you seriously think I can get my Range Rover in there to rebuild the top end of the V8 engine? No, because if I get the Range Rover in there I can't get out of it as the garage isn't wide enough so I work on the driveway, no different to you doing it outside. At this time of year you've got about 15 hours of daylight each day (and the temperature isn't below freezing either), so you get up early on a Saturday morning and work on it until it gets dark. If you haven't finished it by then, you get up early on Sunday morning and carry on. The book time is about 5 hours so if you can't get it done in 30 you shouldn't really be attempting anything involving a socket set.
No I haven't ridden with you but your record speaks for itself. I don't know if your coming together with a Merc was in any way your fault or not but you admitted you dropped the ZX on a sliproad purely because you were travelling too fast for the conditions of both the road and the bike.
You claim it's a rant but you are beginning to sound like a spoilt brat would is having a paddy because he isn't getting his own way. Life's like that, you aren't going to get your own way all the time, shit happens. Live with it and learn from it. You never know, get the car sorted and what you learn from doing it yourself may even mean that there will be less on the project bike that you need to farm out to others.
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Liam, I am suggesting getting the Fazer back on the road as stock, as I can have it roadworthy within a matter of days for minimal investment. This is the most practical solution. And the one that is getting nixed!! The Project part of Project Fazer has to be shelved for now in exchange for immediate, reliable transport.
The £200 is after rent, food and fuel (just about on all three) - AND THAT'S IT. Anything else I spend money on comes from that pot. If I had credit cards, that's where the repayments would come from. The beer comment was just an example - I can't even remember the last time I went down the pub!
The 106 needs a new head gasket, either a new head, or having the head skimmed. It needs a new water pump, replacement from shocks, new rear wheel bearing (quoted by a garage as over £100 - and it's a press fit into the hub, so I can't do it). Coming up: sorting out the electric system - although that's time, nor money, and replacing the CV joint. All this to be done on the street parking outside my landlord's house when I need daily transport to commute to work. Yeah right.
The head gasket alone will need the engine bay stripping (if not an engine out job) to get at, because there's so little space in there. Then I have to get a head that's been joined to a block off 14 years off. Good luck with that!
I am in a dificult situation in that to the Brits, I live in France, and the French think I live in England. I am in residential limbo, if you will. Applying for a student loan with all that crap going on? Nightmare!
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Not sure what was so wrong about my post and as Dead Eye says, you learn by doing. A 106 diesel head gasket is £13.99 with free delivery from eBay, about the only specialist tool you might need is a torque wrench and you don't need a garage. You've been to my place and seen the garage. Do you seriously think I can get my Range Rover in there to rebuild the top end of the V8 engine? No, because if I get the Range Rover in there I can't get out of it as the garage isn't wide enough so I work on the driveway, no different to you doing it outside. At this time of year you've got about 15 hours of daylight each day (and the temperature isn't below freezing either), so you get up early on a Saturday morning and work on it until it gets dark. If you haven't finished it by then, you get up early on Sunday morning and carry on. The book time is about 5 hours so if you can't get it done in 30 you shouldn't really be attempting anything involving a socket set.
No I haven't ridden with you but your record speaks for itself. I don't know if your coming together with a Merc was in any way your fault or not but you admitted you dropped the ZX on a sliproad purely because you were travelling too fast for the conditions of both the road and the bike.
You claim it's a rant but you are beginning to sound like a spoilt brat would is having a paddy because he isn't getting his own way. Life's like that, you aren't going to get your own way all the time, shit happens. Live with it and learn from it. You never know, get the car sorted and what you learn from doing it yourself may even mean that there will be less on the project bike that you need to farm out to others.
Rich: you are speaking to someone who once nearly dropped a ratchet screwdriver bit down a Fazer's engine intake. And was about to dismantle the head when he found it lurning under the starter motor. I would put myself in the "questionable" catergory when it comes to my own handiwork.
At the moment, there's no guarantee the car will even last through tomorrow's drive to work, let alone waiting for a gasket! I'd love to know where you found the gasket for £14 though, when I did a quick search on my phone, I could only find ones priced at £45!! Although, to be fair, I wasn't looking very hard. You also have the advantage of another vehicle to use if (for any reason) you can't complete the job. If I can't, I'm up a gum tree.
I cannot deny having done stupid stuff on bikes. I am committed to improving my riding though, and have said for ages now that the minute I'm back on a bike, I'm doing a Bikesafe course.
It is a frustrated rant. My parents are saying they're going to spend a ridiculous amount of money they don't really have to solve the problem in a completely irrational way. They are fixating over the fact that it's a bike, I'm only interested in the fact that it's transport, it's there, and requires very little to get me mobile again. How does trying to solve the problem logically in a way that requires the least input in terms of money and time make me a "spoiled brat"?
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Not sure what was so wrong about my post and as Dead Eye says, you learn by doing. A 106 diesel head gasket is £13.99 with free delivery from eBay, about the only specialist tool you might need is a torque wrench and you don't need a garage. You've been to my place and seen the garage. Do you seriously think I can get my Range Rover in there to rebuild the top end of the V8 engine? No, because if I get the Range Rover in there I can't get out of it as the garage isn't wide enough so I work on the driveway, no different to you doing it outside. At this time of year you've got about 15 hours of daylight each day (and the temperature isn't below freezing either), so you get up early on a Saturday morning and work on it until it gets dark. If you haven't finished it by then, you get up early on Sunday morning and carry on. The book time is about 5 hours so if you can't get it done in 30 you shouldn't really be attempting anything involving a socket set.
No I haven't ridden with you but your record speaks for itself. I don't know if your coming together with a Merc was in any way your fault or not but you admitted you dropped the ZX on a sliproad purely because you were travelling too fast for the conditions of both the road and the bike.
You claim it's a rant but you are beginning to sound like a spoilt brat would is having a paddy because he isn't getting his own way. Life's like that, you aren't going to get your own way all the time, shit happens. Live with it and learn from it. You never know, get the car sorted and what you learn from doing it yourself may even mean that there will be less on the project bike that you need to farm out to others.
Rich: you are speaking to someone who once nearly dropped a ratchet screwdriver bit down a Fazer's engine intake. And was about to dismantle the head when he found it lurning under the starter motor. I would put myself in the "questionable" catergory when it comes to my own handiwork.
At the moment, there's no guarantee the car will even last through tomorrow's drive to work, let alone waiting for a gasket! I'd love to know where you found the gasket for £14 though, when I did a quick search on my phone, I could only find ones priced at £45!! Although, to be fair, I wasn't looking very hard. You also have the advantage of another vehicle to use if (for any reason) you can't complete the job. If I can't, I'm up a gum tree.
I cannot deny having done stupid stuff on bikes. I am committed to improving my riding though, and have said for ages now that the minute I'm back on a bike, I'm doing a Bikesafe course.
It is a frustrated rant. My parents are saying they're going to spend a ridiculous amount of money they don't really have to solve the problem in a completely irrational way. They are fixating over the fact that it's a bike, I'm only interested in the fact that it's transport, it's there, and requires very little to get me mobile again. How does trying to solve the problem logically in a way that requires the least input in terms of money and time make me a "spoiled brat"?
Christo, how about suggesting to them that you fix the bike up yourself (using money from the car or whatever). Then if they still really don't feel safe with you on a bike (my Ma certainly never will like me having a bike, but she still wouldn't stop me as she knows how much I love it), perhaps suggest that they pay for some "safety enhancements" - new gear, or maybe even just the bike safe course? That way, you'll have transport for now (for the love of god don't crash it or blow it up) and your parents might sleep a bit easier knowing you've had some enhanced training?
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Christo....lets just take a step back here & recognise that you are by far the minority on this site.........ie young..............biking is such a luxury & most bikers have bikes because they have overcome the type of problems you now face.......ie they are old, older or geriatric :lol ........how they work computers ill never know but it seems that when you are concerned they make a special effort :b
If you put this rant up on a student forum then no doubt you'd lots of support and "aw naw man cant believe that happened" type stuff......."lets get wasted & shit on the bonnet".......sadly foccers know best though coz they've all focced up just as much.
Im neither old or young now...im 32 so i'm not old enough to forget i used to be a bit of a wee dickhead to my folks sometimes...but who hasn't & hey ive been out on my own steam since 19 & always paid my way since & i never forget the help i got in those early years......& i don't think you'll forget either...as you say conditions were imposed but in reality we all read that as conditions they wont really enforce so long as you tow the line a bit.......i think you've just got to tow that line really....all money comes with conditions & nothing in this life is for free.
Have a beer, look at your options & crack on...you owe nothing to us, or bikes....if getting to work means getting a degree which means getting a job which means getting a bike then all you need to do is get to work...your car is fucked lets face it....i wouldnt be pissing about with head gaskets either...hoof it in the scrappys and get another one because tomorrows another day you dont have transport.
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Christo, how about suggesting to them that you fix the bike up yourself (using money from the car or whatever). Then if they still really don't feel safe with you on a bike (my Ma certainly never will like me having a bike, but she still wouldn't stop me as she knows how much I love it), perhaps suggest that they pay for some "safety enhancements" - new gear, or maybe even just the bike safe course? That way, you'll have transport for now (for the love of god don't crash it or blow it up) and your parents might sleep a bit easier knowing you've had some enhanced training?
Joe, that is EXACTLY what I am suggesting to them!! And I have already said I will be self-enrolling on Bikesafe! In terms of gear, I almost alwys rid in full gear - my minimum is jacket, lid, gloves. So far, my gear policy has left me uninjured, so I see no reason to change it.
And it is this proposal they are nixing.
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You need to decide yourself what's best and go with that. Debating it back and forward on here isn't going to help. What do you think you should do?
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I'd love to know where you found the gasket for £14 though, when I did a quick search on my phone, I could only find ones priced at £45!! Although, to be fair, I wasn't looking very hard.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/eugeot-106-1360cc-Diesel-93-On-Head-Gasket-EHG-730B-/261466696178 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/eugeot-106-1360cc-Diesel-93-On-Head-Gasket-EHG-730B-/261466696178) you probably weren't looking too hard because you don't want to know how cheap the job is going to be.
It is a frustrated rant. My parents are saying they're going to spend a ridiculous amount of money they don't really have to solve the problem in a completely irrational way. They are fixating over the fact that it's a bike, I'm only interested in the fact that it's transport, it's there, and requires very little to get me mobile again. How does trying to solve the problem logically in a way that requires the least input in terms of money and time make me a "spoiled brat"?
I didn't say it makes you a spoilt brat, I said your ranting is making you sound like one. Face facts, your parents have seen that you, in your own words, have done stupid stuff on bikes. One thing no parent wants to do is to bury their own child so they are offering to spend money that they may not have in the hope that you will outlive them. You're not interested in the fact that it's transport, you want to get back on a bike and see this as an excuse to force the issue. As a parent, I can tell you, the more you push, the more they will push back.
Not sure why you think you need a water pump, a CV joint isn't desperate, they'll clatter along for ages so the only thing that is urgent is getting it running. I've shown you where you can get a head gasket, I've told you that you can get a Haynes manual from your local library and, if you want, I can lend you a torque wrench. Christ, you're only down the road, I'd offer to give you a hand but the one thing I am desperately short of at the moment is time. Now get on with it.
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If your parents refuse the Fazer and you aren't willing to undermine their decision, which is fair enough, then I would seriously considering just replacing the 106 with something cheap. There are plenty of £500~ cars (or cheaper) available that will likely cost no more on insurance which you can just swap around. With scrapping the 106 you will likely reduce this cost and still be able to have transport and continue work on the Fazer.
Of all your options, it's probably the one I'd opt for if I were in your position. Hell, I sold my 106 in working order for £200 - all it potentially needed was a new CV Joint which I let the guy know
The Fazer may be your goal, but I don't think now is the right time. You may be able to afford to return it to stock and get it road worthy, but what about tax and insurance? You couldn't afford to insure the 600 before, that's why you ended up with the ZX4, so what's changed now? If anything it seems you have less money...
Hell, here is a Nissan Micra for £300 in your area... its not glamorous, its not masculine, BUT it will do the job you want it to for very little cost. Insurance should be cheap as well because no one your age wants one :P
http://www.gumtree.com/p/cars-vans-motorbikes/nissan-micra/1069590748 (http://www.gumtree.com/p/cars-vans-motorbikes/nissan-micra/1069590748)
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Deadeye.......was there any Suzuki Wagon-R's in the same are????
Christo has expressed by means of non denial that it is a car that he really desires & i am desperate to see someone not of the afterlife driving one.
Plus they are fanny magnets according to Suzuki :b
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Christo, how about suggesting to them that you fix the bike up yourself (using money from the car or whatever). Then if they still really don't feel safe with you on a bike (my Ma certainly never will like me having a bike, but she still wouldn't stop me as she knows how much I love it), perhaps suggest that they pay for some "safety enhancements" - new gear, or maybe even just the bike safe course? That way, you'll have transport for now (for the love of god don't crash it or blow it up) and your parents might sleep a bit easier knowing you've had some enhanced training?
Joe, that is EXACTLY what I am suggesting to them!! And I have already said I will be self-enrolling on Bikesafe! In terms of gear, I almost alwys rid in full gear - my minimum is jacket, lid, gloves. So far, my gear policy has left me uninjured, so I see no reason to change it.
And it is this proposal they are nixing.
To be honest then mate, not knowing your parents and whether you might be able to persuade them to come around, I'd probably do as Deadeye suggests and buy a very cheap car. Nothing to stop you from getting your Fazer back on the road at the same time and not telling your parents for a bit if you really want a bike?
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Deadeye.......was there any Suzuki Wagon-R's in the same are????
Christo has expressed by means of non denial that it is a car that he really desires & i am desperate to see someone not of the afterlife driving one.
Plus they are fanny magnets according to Suzuki :b
I think they might be slightly above his price range...
There a was a Mk3 Golf... but it needs a new cambelt... and I'm not sure that's a task I'd put in front of Christo...
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Rich, I won't lie by saying I don't want to get back on the bikes. However, that is far from being the driving factor here (no pun intended). Fact is, I need transport, and I'll take what I've got. I have a nearly complete Fazer 600 in the back garden that's just had an engine rebuild. If it was a 125, or a car, I'd be pushing for that instead. I'm pushing it because I have it. That's it.
The head gasket has gone because the water pump has failed. Even after the 30 minute commute home, the coolant is barely above ambient temperature. The suspicion is failed water pump, leading to overheating, causing head gasket failure. As I said earlier in the thread. :rolleyes
I mentioned the CV joint en passant because it's another thing on the "to do" list. It will fail eventually, and I'll have to be ready for it when it does.
Micras cost even more than the Peugeot in insurance, would you believe it, Liam? It was £300 more for the 1.1, never mind the 1.3!! Also, I'm 6ft 3 with long legs - hell, the Peugeot's uncomfortable enough! I couldn't own an old style Corsa, the driver's seat doesn't go back far enough for me!
Insurance has fallen dramatically now I'm no longer 33bhp restricted. On a stock Fazer, it's now £265 3rd party as opposed to £900! :eek :eek
Economically, everything points at the Fazer. The only stumbling block is the parents. And while I am sorely tempted to just push ahead with common sense, there's no mileage in needlessly provoking them either.
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I was seriously considering Wagon Rs when i bought the Peugeot, Liam. Even went to see a couple. Insurance was on a par with the 106. And after all, transport is transport. The only issue is finding it, and insuring it. It's not as if it's sitting in my back yard! Oh wait... :rolleyes
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Well, you're going to need some form of alternate transport if you ever want to do any work on your "project"
I still think an alternate car is the best option for the future, but fixing the 106 is still on the cards in my book - better the devil you know, as it goes
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Lets get this right. Your parents are funding you through uni so you end up paying them back rather than paying the Government back a student loan for the next 30 years of your life. They've bought you a car and paid for your insurance as they think you will kill yourself on a bike (and they are probably right), you claim to have no money but you've been spending money on bits to make a dogs dinner out of what could have been restored into a mint Fazer and, despite being convinced you can bodge together lots of bits from other bikes into something that will work and look good, you claim to not have the skills to change a bloody head gasket? You can get a Haynes manual from your local library so that won't cost you a penny. Stop moaning, sit down with the manual, look at the pictures and read the words and then get out there and sort it.
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You missed out 'training to be an Engineer'
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new rear wheel bearing (quoted by a garage as over £100 - and it's a press fit into the hub, so I can't do it).
Mark2 cavalier is has a single press fit front bearing I replace both at different times: The first I removed the hub and took it to a backstreet garage who used the the proper press (I think it was hydraulic) to push out the outer case and to pull off the inner from part. New bearing fitted for £10
The second one I took to vauxhall garage who used a hammer and metal block (cylindrical) to remove outer case and fit new bearing and a air chisel to smash the inner part away. cost a tenner again.
So you can do most of the work yourself :)
and replacing the CV joint. All this to be done on the street parking outside my landlord's house when I need daily transport to commute to work. Yeah right.
Easily done from the kerb
The head gasket alone will need the engine bay stripping (if not an engine out job) to get at, because there's so little space in there.
Compared to a Renault 5 with inline engine that has gear box at the front, it'll be a doddle
Then I have to get a head that's been joined to a block off 14 years off. Good luck with that!
The gasket failure has started that job for you ;)
I'm pretty sure the list of jobs can be prioritised over the coming months but it does sound like buying another banger with mot and tax could be a good option. You just miss out on the experience :)
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Tell ya what, Mids, I'll see you an "experience" for £300. I'll even give you water bottles to top up the coolant on the drive home. Can't say fairer than that!! :lol :lol :lol
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Don't need another experience I have a fully working Fazer :p
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you can buy another mot.d runner for £250
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When I was last looking, the Peugeot was one of the cheapest around at £450. There are cheap cars out there, but nowt many that are within the realms of insurance reason.
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I can understand your frustration however.....
You have several options:-
1 Scrap Peugeot & let parents pay (loan?) for another car.
2 Repair Peugeot as cheaply as possible----instead of bemoaning your "situation" have you considered asking your fellow "foccers" for help with time/tools/expertise?
3 Put Fazer back on road against parents wishes..but ask yourself how much it will cost to do this including finishing off/MOT/Insurance/Tax
4 Buy cheap 125 motorcycle to commute the 20 miles each way to work.
I am not unsympathetic to your predicament but while you remain financially dependent on parents you may well decide to go along with their wishes rather than alienate them.
Life is sometimes tough Christo but if you can stop seeing yourself as some kind of victim of circumstance you will find theres a solution to your problem.
How long til you qualify/start earning your own money?
Many of us have had to struggle to achieve bike ownership-youd have a good laugh if you saw what i ran at 20 & no I didnt own a car til I was 23.
I live in Birmingham close to the University & during term time the local streets are full of cars that students bring(all paid for by bank of Mum & Dad!).
Now why would anyone need a car in Brum? with frequent trains/buses-its a sore point with many locals who struggle to find a parking space anywhere near their house.
Try and take the long view-you will be a qualified engineer-which would have been much harder to achieve without the support of your family who no doubt love you and dont want to see you injured or worse. You have to accept the fact that many people see bikes as dangerous.
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Christo! Dangerous! No! :eek just misunderstood :lol
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Christo! Dangerous! No! :eek just misunderstood :lol
He says glibly from the other side of the Irish sea!! :lol :lol
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Why run a car at university anyway? Sell the Fazer, scrap the car, use a bicycle to get everywhere. If you can't do the 20 miles to work then get a job closer to where you live.
£200 per month for fun? Enjoy - one day you'll have kids and that will seem like a luxury!
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Cycling is something I used to do loads and could easily accomplish the 20 miles. Whilst its summer you don't even have to combat bad weather and its certainly cheaper. The job though is a placement, so not much choice in the matter for it, so that I understand.
But yeah, £200 per month as "disposable income" is actually a lot more than you think it is. I bet a lot of people on here don't have that
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Christo my best mate kelv has a car lot not far from you, just outside raf wyton main gate. Tell him "loop" sent you..he'll sort you one of his cheap trade ins with a years ticket. I'll pre- emp it woth a phone call if that's the way you wanna go bud...
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Christo my best mate kelv has a car lot not far from you, just outside raf wyton main gate. Tell him "loop" sent you..he'll sort you one of his cheap trade ins with a years ticket. I'll pre- emp it woth a phone call if that's the way you wanna go bud...
Now that's one hell of a leg up Ogri - top bloke :thumbup
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Christo! Dangerous! No! :eek just misunderstood :lol
He says glibly from the other side of the Irish sea!! :lol :lol
You have hurt me deeply :'( doubting my sincerity :pokefun :lol
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£200 per month for fun? Enjoy - one day you'll have kids and that will seem like a luxury!
:lol so true
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one day you'll have kids
AAAAAAAARRRRRGH!!!! :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek
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one day you'll have kids
AAAAAAAARRRRRGH!!!! :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek
Pahahahahahahahaha :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
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Gonna add my tuppence worth here, if I had £200 a month to play with I'd be more than happy but I don't so hey ho.
If I was you I would keep project Fazer as that my project and get it up and running the way I wanted it to look and run, 20 miles on a cheap chinese bike is doable no problem, if you don't need transport for any further distances why bother, I would scrap the Pug as all you are going to do is throw good money after bad at it and it will not be worth a penny more and will always need more money thrown at it.
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Just a thought....
(http://i1291.photobucket.com/albums/b550/nicknicklxs/luxury-sidecar_zps35bdf153.jpg) (http://s1291.photobucket.com/user/nicknicklxs/media/luxury-sidecar_zps35bdf153.jpg.html)
(http://i1291.photobucket.com/albums/b550/nicknicklxs/laverda_sidecar_lead_1_zps9397de81.jpg) (http://s1291.photobucket.com/user/nicknicklxs/media/laverda_sidecar_lead_1_zps9397de81.jpg.html)
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Lordy nick, sidecars have come on considerably since the old " sidewinder" blokes used to use to get around the seventies learner laws..
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Well, wasn't actually thinking that Christo needs one to get around any laws, but it did occur to me that he has the ingredients sitting around for a, er.... :think Yamageot.....or, a Peugaha :lol
Maybe his parents would be happy with that solution ;) :lol
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come on guys....hes already tried that........remember the merc :lol :lol :lol
that looks well made,but with one wheel on the other side might look a bit odd...
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I would quite happily drive that, Nick!
Ogri, that is incredibly kind, I might well take you up on it! I think I might have gone to your mate's lot back in January... To look at a 106! Not the one I got, as the clutch was quite worn. But still! :)
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Just a thought....
WTF? I thought for a moment it was one of those cautionary posters about accidents between bikes and cars!
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Well, looks like I'll be back in a car. And looks like it will be a Peugeot 206. Hardly the result I was hoping for, but that's life. :(
Hey Ogri, check out the French-made Zeus. They are bizarre looking things! But kinda cool!
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The 206's aren't terrible little cars, but they have their idiosyncrasies
The 2L HDi engine is pretty bullet proof though :)
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The 206's aren't terrible little cars, but they have their idiosyncrasies
The 2L HDi engine is pretty bullet proof though :)
I'm mainly looking at petrol: 1.1, 1.4 are affordable, and I'm waiting to hear back on insurance for the 2.0 GTI.
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I can't see you being able to afford the 2.0 GTi and the 1.1 petrol is false economy - you have to rag it so hard to get anywhere that you lose any MPG gains unless you drive like a nun. You have a heavy right foot, so that puts you firmly at the opposite end of the scale. Also note that the 1.6 HDi has lower MPG and is actually a higher insurance group compared the the 2.0 HDi, which makes no sense...
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Liam, forget about HDi, for some reason, all the 206s for sale round here are the petrols.
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I can't see you being able to afford the 2.0 GTi and the 1.1 petrol is false economy - you have to rag it so hard to get anywhere that you lose any MPG gains unless you drive like a nun. You have a heavy right foot, so that puts you firmly at the opposite end of the scale. Also note that the 1.6 HDi has lower MPG and is actually a higher insurance group compared the the 2.0 HDi, which makes no sense...
I get around 6.5 l in the city per 100 km on 1.1 106 peugeot. It is a light little car. However, a 206 sized car is heavy and a 1.1 engine just sucks and uses a lot of fuel. For real economy one needs a smaller car. Or a bicycle. :)
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Christo, can I hask why you have narrowed your choice to the 206 specifically? Wouldnt it be better to keep your field of possible cars as wide as possible, and then narrow it down based on economy and insurance options as cars come up locally for the right sort of £££?
The reason being, you may find a car you never thought of crop up on Gumtree today/tomorrow which fits the bill perfectly for you, but by looking specifically at 206's, you will miss it altogether. Just my tuppence worth.
The reason for me suggestin it, is when I was still serving my time and strapped for cash, I actually ended up in a Rover 620 diesel for this very reason (the 600 is barge like in size and handling). It was a massive big car, but it ran and ran, was economical, easy to work on, and because its not a common "young guy" car, insurance was well cheap. keep your options open matey, honestly :)
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I thought the same, until I checked a Rover 45 saloon!
I'm looking at 206s because I know they're ball park affordable, reasonably comfy for my 6'3" bod, and they're are a few around me! Not blinkering myself to 'em though, fear not!
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The 1.4 Peugeot petrol engine is nigh on bulletproof as long as the cam belt is changed. I bought a 1.4 306 for my daughter as her first car and it ran forever despite her having raced karts from the age of 11 so treated everything else on the road as a competitor that must be overtaken at all costs. There's a coolant hose at the back of the engine that gets oil on it so goes all soft and squidgy which will burst at the most inappropriate time and they weep oil out of the front right corner of the head gasket (but will do that forever and isn't a reason to change the head gasket as you seem to feel that is beyond you).
But what has caused the sudden change from not wanting to repair the 106, not wanting a car and wanting to get the bike thrown back together again?
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Christo, can I hask why you have narrowed your choice to the 206 specifically? Wouldnt it be better to keep your field of possible cars as wide as possible, and then narrow it down based on economy and insurance options as cars come up locally for the right sort of £££?
The reason being, you may find a car you never thought of crop up on Gumtree today/tomorrow which fits the bill perfectly for you, but by looking specifically at 206's, you will miss it altogether. Just my tuppence worth.
The reason for me suggestin it, is when I was still serving my time and strapped for cash, I actually ended up in a Rover 620 diesel for this very reason (the 600 is barge like in size and handling). It was a massive big car, but it ran and ran, was economical, easy to work on, and because its not a common "young guy" car, insurance was well cheap. keep your options open matey, honestly :)
Biggest part of vehicle maintenance is fuel and tyre costs. They exceed most other things after enough miles. So smaller cars ARE cheaper to run. Unless you can re-sell cars well: buy them cheap and sell them on after 6 to 12 months.
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I had a Citroen ZX that was bombproof and so shite it was actually fun.
I once ended up going through a flooded road [unwittingly following a Range Rover that decided to come to a halt at the deepest point - sending a wake of water that went up my windscreen] that was so deep the thing was bobbing, it sucked in water etc. After dragging it out and getting the water out of the flooded cylinders it fired up and ran like a charm (after 5 mins of clearing its throat).
Never smelled the same though.....
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But what has caused the sudden change from not wanting to repair the 106, not wanting a car and wanting to get the bike thrown back together again?
Giving up.
Never really wanted to repair the 106, and arguing with my parents ain't worth the bother. Which means I've got all this to look forward to at the beginning of next year at Uni. :rolleyes
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I can't see you being able to afford the 2.0 GTi and the 1.1 petrol is false economy - you have to rag it so hard to get anywhere that you lose any MPG gains unless you drive like a nun. You have a heavy right foot, so that puts you firmly at the opposite end of the scale. Also note that the 1.6 HDi has lower MPG and is actually a higher insurance group compared the the 2.0 HDi, which makes no sense...
I get around 6.5 l in the city per 100 km on 1.1 106 peugeot. It is a light little car. However, a 206 sized car is heavy and a 1.1 engine just sucks and uses a lot of fuel. For real economy one needs a smaller car. Or a bicycle. :)
Oh I totally agree, it wasn't a generic statement about 1.1 engines, my remarks were specific to the 206
The 1.4 Peugeot petrol engine is nigh on bulletproof as long as the cam belt is changed. I bought a 1.4 306 for my daughter as her first car and it ran forever despite her having raced karts from the age of 11 so treated everything else on the road as a competitor that must be overtaken at all costs. There's a coolant hose at the back of the engine that gets oil on it so goes all soft and squidgy which will burst at the most inappropriate time and they weep oil out of the front right corner of the head gasket (but will do that forever and isn't a reason to change the head gasket as you seem to feel that is beyond you).
But what has caused the sudden change from not wanting to repair the 106, not wanting a car and wanting to get the bike thrown back together again?
Is the 1.4 in the 306 the same as the 206? As far as I was aware the 206 had a new line-up of engines as it replaced the older 306. I had a 306 as well, 1.9L Diesel (no Turbo) and it was a great run around car but because of its weight it just couldn't accelerate as fast as the 1.5L Diesel 106 - it cruised much better though :P
I thought the same, until I checked a Rover 45 saloon!
A 45 Saloon is not the same thing at all compared to a 620. The 45's were budget cars and fairly common which means people crashed them a lot
For example, I was looking at insurance on BMWs - the 3 series and 5 series between 1980~ to 2000~
The oldest, smallest car (an E30 318i) was the most expensive to insure despite having a relatively average 1.8L engine. However, the 4.4L V8 in the E39 540i was half the cost and the second cheapest despite being a larger, younger car with almost 3x the power
In fact, it would cost less for me to insure that 540i with 0 no claims bonus than it is to currently insure my 2.5L V6 MG ZS which is essentially a Rover 45 remember - it has the same engine
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car paid for u and uni fees paid and an allowance, man i feel your pain aint life a bitch at times ey :rolleyes
In that situation I'd have to stop being a prat and give up uni ;)
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ChrisTo - have you looked at Nissan Micra's !
Seriously, they're not cool, but as cheap ultra-reliable and economical cars they're impossible to beat.
My brother had a 1.0 litre Micra S (a 1997 version) that he didn't even change (or top up) the oil on for nigh on 40k miles - and it ran like a Swiss watch (especially when it hit 100k miles of being ragged stupid and he changed the oil). Before the Micra he'd had a Corolla GTI 16v, a Golf GTI and then a BMW M3 - so you can bet that Micra got punished. When the Micra reached 120k miles he part ex'd for a 2002 model and the ragged that senseless until he settled down and sold it - to buy a twin turbo Audi S4.
As a result, we bought our eldest a Micra (new, it's a long story) for his 18th birthday. Now, he's a mechanical numpty (doesn't know what or where a dipstick is - except it's him), but that car has done 100k of totally trouble free miles in 6 1/2 years AND still runs like a dream. I drove it back from a valet (we were going to sell it because he's off to Thailand for 14 months) and I couldn't believe how smooth, tight and "together" it felt - better than our youngest's Clio which only had 16k miles on it.
I'd recommend them totally - My missus used to work in the OE car parts business (supplying engine components) and reckoned Nissan quality control on parts was the dogs bollocks - and Peugeot's was "shite" - another reason we've bought Nissan in the past.
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Hi Millietant,
Micras were surprisingly expensive on the insurance, and because I'm a big lad (6'3"), I was worried about fitting in it - I struggled with the 106!
All sorted now thou, got a very tidy Peugeot 206 1.4. And am a happy bunny. :D
(Well, as happy as I can be in a cage, I guess. :rolleyes )
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Glad you're happy - our eldest is 6'3" too and near 16st in weight (he was a semi-pro Wrestler, a big lad) and we found the Micra insurance the cheapest, through Admiral.
But, as long as you're sorted, that's all that matters. :) :) :)
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So, who paid for the car in the end, and how much was it?
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So now you don't have to get it done to rely on it getting you to work, you've got the chance to do some proper engineering and fix the 106. Or are you going to be like some of the 'engineers' we've got at our place? Sit behind a desk all day, BSc, CEng after their name but no practical experience or aptitude whatsoever. The mark of an engineer is that he wants to take everything to bits whether it needs it or not, just to see how it goes together......
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So you have gone from a small pile of shite (106) to a bigger pile of shite (206). :lol Fair play to you, you are working your way up to the top of the shite pile :rollin :rollin
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Peugeots-Its a French thing! The only exciting one I remember driving was the 205 GTi but even that belonged to someone else! Was driving a works 205 van years ago and the gear lever decided it would only select 1st & 5th gears! It was a diesel & I nursed it back from Nottingham to Brum. Anyone remember Simcas & Renault Dauphines? Wouldnt touch a French car at any price! My mate has an 03 Renault Clio and thats unspeakably bad!
So what you going to do now Christo? Scrap or repair the 106?
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THE DECISION...........IS YOURS
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Oh yeah...... The Renault Dauphine, we had one when I was about 6 or 7, I remember thinking it was a good car until we got our new Morris Traveller. Wow, that car had wood bits stuck on the sides, how cool was that.
Then, in the early 70's, we got a Simca 1301 estate car. That was awesome. First car I'd ever been in where I saw the speedo indicate 100mph (down a long hill!!). The rear "tailgate" hinged at the bottom (bit like a Range Rover) and the glass could be wound down (like a side window) inside the tailgate. Made the car great for picnics - and also great for getting carbon monoxide poisoning in the summer, when my dad would drive around with tailgate window wound right down, open (right above the exhaust) - Maaan, in those days we really did love the smell of exhaust fumes. Maybe explains a lot about the way I turned out :)
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car paid for u and uni fees paid and an allowance, man i feel your pain aint life a bitch at times ey :rolleyes
:lol :lol
You sure are not in the real world,,good old mummy and daddy :)
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Come on Christo-tell us what youre up to/planning!
Things have gone suspiciously quiet on this thread.
Are you studying/working/fixing the Fazer/ Scrapping the 106/ riding around in your new car?
Please tell us more!
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Hopefully, he's learning to be an engineer and pulling the 106 to bits.......
But I very much doubt it.
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He's probably crashed the 206, and is working out how to tell his parents (and us)...
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I know whats happened here..............his parents have found the foc-u forum :eek
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He has gone awfully quiet.......
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Yeh......hes loggin on but not saying anything...........not the christo I know........always got something to moan about........come on christo, what you been up to this time :rolleyes
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Last posted on 27 june , looking at the bottom of the page and hes logged in now.......say something christo :pokefun
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I saw him yesterday, he's fine