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Title: Front end lift
Post by: slimwilly on 31 March 2014, 09:16:20 am

So the rear is off the floor , no probs, a paddock stand with coaster wheels.


How has or what are the ways in the shed to get the front up so that the front wheel can be removed.


I have a welder and various hydraulic jacks at hand.

Title: Re: Front end lift
Post by: fireblake on 31 March 2014, 09:52:47 am

Maybe a piece of wood undee pipes and then a small jack to lift it. I had my front wheel out this way. I also used a strap around the bars to a joist in the garage roof as extra support just in case of a slip.

Title: Re: Front end lift
Post by: Kosmic Kartman on 31 March 2014, 06:16:12 pm

As Fireblake says. Place bike on centre stand, use small bit of 2"x1" wood under pipes and jack up using scissor jack.

Title: Re: Front end lift
Post by: red98 on 31 March 2014, 07:55:06 pm

made this up a few years ago..bike on centre stand rear wheel off the floor slide under front forks and lifts front wheel aswell.... ;)
fits the 600 and the mighty thou...made from scraps of timber and metal brackets all found in the garage...simples

Title: Re: Front end lift
Post by: Andy FZS on 31 March 2014, 08:05:47 pm

Your tax has run out ....

Title: Re: Front end lift
Post by: red98 on 31 March 2014, 08:09:59 pm

Quote from: Andy FZS on 31 March 2014, 08:05:47 pm

Your tax has run out ....

yep....thats "the stuttering one" you see there....thats the last time I used it   :o......thinking of taxing it next month.....thinking about it I think ive used the stand more than the bike   :lol.........

Title: Re: Front end lift
Post by: esetest on 31 March 2014, 08:58:31 pm

I put mine on centre stand , and placed some slabs under exhaust with a an old piece of plasterboard between slabs and exhaust , like this . I could have used a trolley jack and a block of wood .

Title: Re: Front end lift
Post by: unfazed on 31 March 2014, 09:15:07 pm

You could always try this  :lol
motorcycle tyre change while riding! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z08EKCtoQ6E#)

Title: Re: Front end lift
Post by: slimwilly on 31 March 2014, 09:46:10 pm

Yes Red, perhaps i make a stand to go under the fork legs,remember i have no center stand.
The rear is held on the axle so there may be too much weight on the pipes that way.

Title: Re: Front end lift
Post by: esetest on 31 March 2014, 10:38:12 pm

Unless you have some way of lifting it from above ( girder in your shed or some scaffolding lying around and use a turfer ) .,  why can't you wait till the rear is back on , then take the front off .

Title: Re: Front end lift
Post by: noggythenog on 31 March 2014, 10:55:29 pm

I used my shed....& a shed load o left over slabs on the back seat to counterbalance.

Title: Re: Front end lift
Post by: Dead Eye on 01 April 2014, 06:57:15 pm

Trolley jack and a piece of wood for me - for added security I use two axle stands to hold the frame on the left and right and remove the trolley jack. This way the bike becomes more of a tripod and is more stable when working on it :)

Title: Re: Front end lift
Post by: slimwilly on 01 April 2014, 07:58:55 pm

Remember i have no center stand,


I think i will  fabricate a stand that like Reds that seats the fork legs in sockets, fed in from behind the wheel then when the bike is rolled back it lifts the fork legs enableing me to remove the front wheel..=like a front paddock stand but i do not have one :lol

Title: Re: Front end lift
Post by: Dead Eye on 01 April 2014, 10:39:17 pm

If you have a paddock stand, why is the lack of centre stand a problem - I may have missed something really obvious here :|

Title: Re: Front end lift
Post by: slimwilly on 02 April 2014, 06:21:02 am

I want to remove the front wheel,,not easy withouta center stand.

Title: Re: Front end lift
Post by: PieEater on 02 April 2014, 07:33:29 am

You can buy front paddock stands for less than £20 including delivery - check out the Busters and Ghostbikes items on ebay - http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR9.TRC1.A0.H0.Xfront+paddock+stand&_nkw=front+paddock+stand&_sacat=0&_from=R40 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR9.TRC1.A0.H0.Xfront+paddock+stand&_nkw=front+paddock+stand&_sacat=0&_from=R40)

Title: Re: Front end lift
Post by: unfazed on 02 April 2014, 08:33:22 am

Remember, always put the rear paddock stand in placed first on bikes without a centre stand before lifting the front with the front paddock stand.
Be aware that some of the cheaper front paddock stands will not lift the front of the Fazers high enough to allow the wheel to clear the fender. :eek
I have on occasion had to use 2 pieces of wood about 1 inch thick, 6 inches wide and 12 inches long under both sides of the stand before lifting, it was just less hassle than taking off the fender :rolleyes

If the rear paddock stand is not in place, when you remove the front axel the bike will become highly unstable  :'(

Title: Re: Front end lift
Post by: bludclot on 02 April 2014, 01:18:49 pm

i use stainless bars through the axles with paddock stands - cheap to buy and very easy to lift the bike very securely. 12mm diameter for the back and 8mm for the front:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Stainless-Steel-Round-Bar-Rod-12mm-dia-x-600mm-long-/221144818773?pt=UK_BOI_Metalworking_Milling_Welding_Metalworking_Supplies_ET&hash=item337d422455 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Stainless-Steel-Round-Bar-Rod-12mm-dia-x-600mm-long-/221144818773?pt=UK_BOI_Metalworking_Milling_Welding_Metalworking_Supplies_ET&hash=item337d422455)


(http://portchesterpropertymaintenance.co.uk/images/fazer/12mmbar.jpg)






with the rear stand in place the front can be lifted by jacking up under the sump and a simple axle stand leaves the bike quite secure:


(http://portchesterpropertymaintenance.co.uk/images/fazer/noforks.jpg)


although i do find that this leaves the steering feeling very light and vague and makes the bike prone to wheelies....

Title: Re: Front end lift
Post by: slimwilly on 02 April 2014, 09:25:39 pm

Front paddock stands are cheap i see , thanks


now how does this work?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Yamaha-R1-front-paddock-stand-/271440545969?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts_13&hash=item3f331e08b1 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Yamaha-R1-front-paddock-stand-/271440545969?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts_13&hash=item3f331e08b1)

Title: Re: Front end lift
Post by: unfazed on 02 April 2014, 09:33:29 pm

I usually put axle stands under the Crash bungs on the 1000 and the engine bars on the 600. Raises the front safely as I do not like putting all the weight through the Down pipes.

Title: Re: Front end lift
Post by: slimwilly on 03 April 2014, 10:06:44 pm

I like the headstock one but i think i have front brakes pipes in the way


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcAcksusoXk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcAcksusoXk)

Title: Re: Front end lift
Post by: slimwilly on 03 April 2014, 10:11:43 pm

Look at this one,, looks amazing,


fit a securing socket in the frame first  and hey presto


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UV2DSNGfnjk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UV2DSNGfnjk)

Title: Re: Front end lift
Post by: PaulSmith on 04 April 2014, 12:19:33 pm

If you are using a front stand and the centerstand, be aware that you risk lifting the center stand off the ground. Watch out for the bike falling sideways while you are trying to raise or lower it, or remove the rear wheel first. 

Title: Re: Front end lift
Post by: Dead Eye on 04 April 2014, 02:44:29 pm

Shouldn't be much of an issue... he has no centre stand haha :P

Title: Re: Front end lift
Post by: slimwilly on 28 April 2014, 09:38:31 pm

Well a scrap yard challenge occurred and with Zero money spent i built a bike lift,,and it works,now can have two wheels off the ground  :)


(http://i470.photobucket.com/albums/rr61/slimwilly/Bikestand_zps0e11e802.jpg) (http://s470.photobucket.com/user/slimwilly/media/Bikestand_zps0e11e802.jpg.html)

Title: Re: Front end lift
Post by: red98 on 29 April 2014, 06:55:52 am

nice work slim  :thumbup .....cant beat a bit of back yard mechanics.......whats with the two blocks of timber,is your floor uneven ....

Title: Re: Front end lift
Post by: slimwilly on 29 April 2014, 07:08:43 am

Yes , slopes one way,,i have just put a concrete screed all over the garagfe floor, the flag stones had big steps in them, too much to level the floor though,,i can now wheel the rear paddock stand around,,i will put wheels on the bike lift too,


 i got a tyre on order so i can take just the wheel in for fitting now,,easier on a work day.

Title: Re: Front end lift
Post by: JoeRock on 29 April 2014, 09:53:11 am

If you could get some more photos of that it'd be cracking, looks like a home made version of ABBA's SkyLift!

Title: Re: Front end lift
Post by: slimwilly on 29 April 2014, 02:18:28 pm

The jacks are very cheap compared to other lifts, mine has been lay in a chichen shed for 10 years :eek


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/3-5T-1-2M-48-HIGH-LIFT-RATCHET-FARM-JACK-3-5-TON-TONNE-TRACTOR-STAND-LOWER-NEW-/131168486083?pt=UK_Lifting_Moving_Equipment&hash=item1e8a4042c3 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/3-5T-1-2M-48-HIGH-LIFT-RATCHET-FARM-JACK-3-5-TON-TONNE-TRACTOR-STAND-LOWER-NEW-/131168486083?pt=UK_Lifting_Moving_Equipment&hash=item1e8a4042c3)


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/high-lift-jack-/181394036064?pt=UK_Lifting_Moving_Equipment&hash=item2a3bed5560 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/high-lift-jack-/181394036064?pt=UK_Lifting_Moving_Equipment&hash=item2a3bed5560)


then a bit of scounging steel off cuts and a bit of welding  :)

Title: Re: Front end lift
Post by: red98 on 30 April 2014, 06:55:36 am

is it lifting on the frame ?

Title: Re: Front end lift
Post by: slimwilly on 30 April 2014, 07:40:31 am

Two lugs locate on the center stand monting points and front rest is under header brace.

Details jack1

jack1

Details jack2

jack2

Details jack3

jack3

Details jack4

jack4

Can also lift the Husky

Details husky on jack

husky on jack

The cradle can easily be altered,,this was a first time attempt,,the cradle just hooks on the jack and does not need any fixings but i have incorperated a top brace,just incase it levers out,but it does not need it.

Title: Re: Front end lift
Post by: unfazed on 30 April 2014, 08:05:04 am

How is the bike resting on the lift?

Title: Re: Front end lift
Post by: slimwilly on 30 April 2014, 06:12:10 pm

On this cradle i have put two upright posts with locating lugs that hook around the bike main center stand mounting points,this is the bike frame and puts most weight straight onto the cradle,,there are a few options for the cradle design,this is just a first attempt.


The front of the bike stand sits under the exaust headers cross member,quite stable really, i have not as yet put a top stabilising attatchment.

Title: Re: Front end lift
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 30 April 2014, 10:28:17 pm

Any thoughts on this,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjG3HzoeBtU#t=13 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjG3HzoeBtU#t=13)

Title: Re: Front end lift
Post by: richfzs on 01 May 2014, 07:52:33 am

I've got one of these (well it's big brother anyway, same in operation, just bigger!).

I like it. It's a bit fiddly to get the bike on, especially the first time you work with a particular bike, but with that done, it doesn't half make life easier. Better than a normal bench lift, if you're dropping the wheels off (cos they'll drop out of the way without removing mudguards etc), but still have the bike at comfortable working height when sat on a stool to service brakes, for example. Obviously takes up a  lot less room when not in use, which was a big consideration for me.

Title: Re: Front end lift
Post by: JoeRock on 01 May 2014, 10:53:10 am

I wonder how easy it would be to combine a jack like that with an ABBA stand? Me thinks me has an idea!

Title: Re: Front end lift
Post by: t140 on 01 May 2014, 12:32:34 pm

I put the bike on the centre stand and use a ratchet strap attached to the bars to lift the front, i have alo lifted a bike completely off the ground this way with another strap on the rear subframe.