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Bikes, Hints'n'Tips => FZS600 Fazer => Topic started by: Kentish on 23 February 2014, 05:22:39 pm
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I went to test ride a new NC750 which I have been tempted by. Granted its only a twin so different from a fazer. I couldn't believe how boring it was to ride. My fazer is a 2003 and I could by the NC no problem but I must say these fazers are a cracking bike. I couldn't ride a new NC750 instead of a Fazer. Ok they might be better on fuel and newer but the fazer would leave it standing. The fazer is a much better machine.....In many ways...
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This is what i need i reckon.....a good ride on some other bikes to show me how good the fazer is.
But im scared ill like one and do something stupid. :)
On the basis that i havent had many issues keeping with a multitude of other bikes i think the 600 fazer is all anyone needs in the real world.
Isnt stopping me wanting a shot on an old 954 fireblade though. 8)
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On the basis that i havent had many issues keeping with a multitude of other bikes i think the 600 fazer is all anyone needs in the real world
It's what I always say. I've always been a person that never buys the same thing twice, cars, bikes, anything...... That is unless it's so good that it deserves it.
I've now had 3 fazer 600's!!!
And I've got an fz1 Fazer.
I only moved on to a thundercat because I bought some horrible mistakes last year, and regretted not buying another fazer.
I had a tdm 850 (yawn), a bandit 600 (looked nice but was a thirsty slug), sv650 (slow, vibey), tiger 1050 (old man's bike).
On each one of those bikes there was something missing. The fazer just ticks ALL the boxes, not just most of them!
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But how do you compare the T'cat to the fazer?
I've had 2 of each and do prefer the T'cat's better handling and slighter better performance!
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But how do you compare the T'cat to the fazer?
I've had 2 of each and do prefer the T'cat's better handling and slighter better performance!
Gotta admit, the more time I spend with the TC, the better it gets! :D
It's more fun on the twisties than the fazer, but bottom end of the revs is slightly fluffy in comparison, Fazer has better manners in town.
The TC suspension is far superior though, edged the tyres with ease, and they're BT021 which I really don't like!
I had to flip the bars over to make her more comfy, as I'm an old git with a glass spine and knackered wrists! (I was going to do a Renthal conversion, but no need now)
53mpg, about the same as the fazer too. It's about as close to a Fazer as it gets without it being a Fazer.
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I put a Hagon rear shock on mine which is a massive improvement over standard, I got the shock in the loft atm for when I get another T'cat, but I've just ordered a Nitron for the fazer and heard that you can send it back and they rebuild it for different bikes for about £100, when I confirm this I'll be putting the Hagon up for sale!
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I've only ever ridden an ER-6N but the fazer is far more fun. I love it :)
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I put a Hagon rear shock on mine which is a massive improvement over standard, I got the shock in the loft atm for when I get another T'cat, but I've just ordered a Nitron for the fazer and heard that you can send it back and they rebuild it for different bikes for about £100, when I confirm this I'll be putting the Hagon up for sale!
Let me know when your letting it go buddy, I might be interested!
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Will do
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Thing is the fazer is the only bike ive ever had.....now i like to listen to folks in the know so that means i would regret selling my fazer i know it...so i need a bigger shed.
Now i did have my heart set on a gen 2 thou but they're still too pricey & the bikes are too similar to keep both but if i was to squeeze another bike in the shed...lets say an old fireblade & keep my 600 then i can once and for all take my time deciding whether to get rid the 6 or keep it.
Oh i dunno.... I still want a gen 2 thou......foc! :'(
So i best get saving some more.
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Why a gen 2? (is that the first fuel injection?)
If so the gen1 carb has more spm's
(smiles per mile!)
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Why a gen 2? (is that the first fuel injection?)
If so the gen1 carb has more spm's
(smiles per mile!)
+1 on the gen 1 being more bang for your buck. The gen 2 is a bit of an acquired taste, and more expensive to do everything to. :'(
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Always wondered...................Why is the Boxeye considered to be better than the early carb Foxeye????????
I keep looking at the Foxeye (nice blue one up in the for sale section) for the looks and extra fuel capacity! Would the bike ride the same??
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I'm on my 2nd Fazer, and rode an SV650 inbetween, which I really didn't like.
I like the idea of either a Street Triple, or some kind of Buell though...
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Always wondered...................Why is the Boxeye considered to be better than the early carb Foxeye????????
I keep looking at the Foxeye (nice blue one up in the for sale section) for the looks and extra fuel capacity! Would the bike ride the same??
They're not- we're (although off topic and wrong section) talking about the gen1 vs gen2 1000cc fazers.
Boxeye vs foxeye 600 is the same mechanical apart from fairing shape (obviously) and other pretty my nor details which were progression upgrades like tank size.
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Why a gen 2? (is that the first fuel injection?)
If so the gen1 carb has more spm's
(smiles per mile!)
I like the thought of fuel injection, the sealed system, no carb balancing, less issues after winter storage since im a fair weather guy.
Plus i like that the gen2 is sports orientated as i dont tour or carry pillions....it is closer to a sports bike.
& they are of course newer with more modern technology.
But gotta be honest im not too keen on the gen 2 looks.
Fazer 8 somehow looks better than the thou imo although how that could be im not sure as i thought they were almost the same apart from engine size, maybe i've just seen better colour schemes on the 8 or somethin...but with it being a slow seller then future parts is a small issue.
But ye the old fazer 6 is good, just a bit old & i suppose mine lost its appeal after being crashed as it is a bit scabby round the edges....but as a package it is great.
I wanna wait see after ive been out on it again this summer, it's always the same...always want something better when im not riding but then i get back on the saddle & i fall back in love with it.....the difference between looking at bikes & riding them. :)
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It's not only that noggy, vast majority of first gen fuel injection (any make/model bike)are shite in comparison to the carb models they replaced (there are exceptions) it's taken a fare few years to get the fueling right on injection bikes.
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It's not only that noggy, vast majority of first gen fuel injection (any make/model bike)are shite in comparison to the carb models they replaced (there are exceptions) it's taken a fare few years to get the fueling right on injection bikes.
Ye good point punk coz it would only be one of the first i could afford anyway.
Ill hold out a little longer i reckon...once im on the road then i wont be looking at the bike with it's uglyness, i'll put a paper bag over its head....always works with the ladies :b
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I have a similar feeling to you noggy - only bikes I've ridden have been the Fazers. Granted, I did my test on a GS500, BUT that was a while ago and its very hard to compare since at the time you aren't thinking about how the bikes feels - you're trying to ride the bugger regardless.
Loads of different things I would like to try, but the Fazer is staying based on everything I hear. Very glad I bought my Gen 1 thou, best vehicle I've owned. My cage comes second but is in need of some TLC :(
As for gen 1 vs gen 2 1000's - I agree with what you said about the looks, some Gen 2's just don't look right to me :\
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I had the FZ6 05 didn't like it. Engine to revy no midrange and I didn't like the front fairing and headlight style. Carbs get me excited man. They feel a lot more raw.
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I don't know whether to be pleased or disappointed after reading this thread.
The only big bikes I've ever rode were an ER-5 in a car park on an 'introduction to big bikes' day, a Bandit S during my DA, a GS500 after the test, and of course my Fazer.
Now I was never planning to keep the Fazer, I was going to try out a few different mid range bikes (ER-6, Hornet, Speed Four, Street triple, SV650 etc.) over the next few years and was kind of looking forward to that, but it looks like I've started of with the best! :D
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I know I'm about to get shot down here - but it all depends on what you want from a bike. If I were commuting through town on a daily basis, then something like a Fazer would be perfect.
However, most of my riding is one up, about a 50% split between fun riding and motorway commuting, and as such a sports bike with a decent fairing suited me a lot better (as does the riding position) - so I've gone back to a ZX9R, and not regretted it at all.
It's faster, handles and brakes better, I find it a lot more comfy and its got infinitely better weather protection. Only areas the FZS 600 beats it on really is that the rear seat is comfier for passengers (although there's more space and legroom on the 9) and the mpg/tank range is a little better on the Fazer - but not massively so (particularly on long journeys where the Ninja is actually better at cruising speeds).
I really don't understand you guys that can ride only one bike and proclaim it the best bike in the world - sure they're good bikes, but they are ultimately budget bikes, and there's a lot of other bikes out there that are better in many, many ways while only having a few sacrifices!
Just my two cents!
Noggy, if you're only riding one up and mostly for fun then try a blade - I'm pretty certain you'll find in every possible area it'll kick the FZS's ass. Personal preference for me would be a 954, but that's because they're within my budget - any of the blades are fantastic bikes!
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Joe you Devil, :evil :evil :evil
I've almost saved enough for one. 8)
I'll have another season on the noggyfighter & see how i feel after that i reckon.it's still a good bike really.....nit sure id enjoy being a lurker but hey i can always go on Christo's whatever else you got thread :)
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Joe you Devil, :evil :evil :evil
I've almost saved enough for one. 8)
I'll have another season on the noggyfighter & see how i feel after that i reckon.it's still a good bike really.....nit sure id enjoy being a lurker but hey i can always go on Christo's whatever else you got thread :)
For sure the Fazers a good bike, but personally when I ride I want something that excites me, and the Fazer just isn't powerful enough to do that! Not that I'm an adrenaline junky at all :lol
What Blade are you thinking of going for?
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Joe you Devil, :evil :evil :evil
I've almost saved enough for one. 8)
I'll have another season on the noggyfighter & see how i feel after that i reckon.it's still a good bike really.....nit sure id enjoy being a lurker but hey i can always go on Christo's whatever else you got thread :)
For sure the Fazers a good bike, but personally when I ride I want something that excites me, and the Fazer just isn't powerful enough to do that! Not that I'm an adrenaline junky at all :lol
What Blade are you thinking of going for?
954 seems refuted as the best so ideally id have one o them but i prefer the looks of the 918 & it is more in my budget, it looks much more retro which i like but i'd be staying with carbs with an old one.918 is supposedly comfier too which is good since im 6 foot.
My best plan seems to be to keep my fazer & have a blade....if i find in time that i prefer the fazer then i can go back to it & easily sell the blade on but prices are so low for old 600 fazers that it barely seems worthwhile trying to sell it.i know my old man would appreciate a spare bike for when he comes visiting me in Wales, show him some of those nice mid wales twisties. 8)
One more point though which is important.....well to some anyway.....the fazer is always the underdog & you'll never be embarrassed on it....i mean so what if a brand new GSXR 1000 smokes you....it should....but the fazer can still keep with allot of sportsbikes on the roads, especially if ridden by posers which is a good feeling on a budget bike.......on a fireblade or an R1 then you are expected to perform & will be the benchmark for Mr pub bloke saying "oh ye i kept up with a fireblade today" so the pressure is on.
It's tricky because i was thinking of a new rear shock & uprating the front springs & yes i think the fazer will then be smoking hot but i can get an old fireblade that is smoking hot outta the box for 2k & pribably sell it 2 years later for 2k.
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My best plan seems to be to keep my fazer & have a blade....
I did just that, kept the fazer for work/knocking about on, and bought a fun bike to play on. (did 8.5k play miles, and 10k work miles last year!)
But then again, I don't have a car anymore!
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My best plan seems to be to keep my fazer & have a blade....
I did just that, kept the fazer for work/knocking about on, and bought a fun bike to play on. (did 8.5k play miles, and 10k work miles last year!)
But then again, I don't have a car anymore!
I best camouflage my motors stash from the mother in law, she'll kick off :evil , my missus doesnt even drive so 2 bikes and 1 car just for me seems greedy :) , but i am greedy :b .
It's annoying coz ive got jealous when we've had the odd nice winter day & folk have been out but i cant coz my bike is winter stored so ye i could keep the fazer for these type of days & for my dad when he visits.
Come on Kentish...ive proper jacked your thread here :( , did you try a blade???
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Its the age old question, "What do I replace my Fazer with?"
Personally, I don't ever plan on selling my Gen 1. It does everything I could want and then some and I personally think they are a thing of beauty with a bit of fettling.
The boxeye is the bike I would look at replacing even though I still enjoy riding and polishing it. Sometimes we just fancy a change I guess. I intend to keep it for at least another 12 months and save up some dosh and then look at alternatives. There's no way I would want another sports bike as they have very limited uses in the 'real world' and I have owned or ridden most of them over the years GSXR's, R1's, ZX9's, Fireblades, ZX10's etc. They're excellent at what they're designed for but that limits the practicalities for me. I have never found them comfortable, even when I was a lot younger so it's 'sit up and beg' jobbies for me from now on.
My current shortlist (dreamlist) are Speed Triple, Ducati Hypermotard, Aprilia Tuono V4 or maybe the FZ8.
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What about the mt-09? It's a hoot to ride, and it's a right torquey hooligan.
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The FZ1 is a 'Jack of all' but master of none...
Its not a sports bike and not a touring bike but will do both adequately enough.
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What about the mt-09? It's a hoot to ride, and it's a right torquey hooligan.
Nice as my Fazer is, if they put a fairing on the MT-09 I'll be first in the queue.
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I talked to the guys at Raceways in Fleetwood. The owner said there's about 5 new models coming out soon, watch this space for an 850/3 pot powered variant of the mt-09!
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Im gonna go 1 of 3 ways.
Keep the noggyfighter, tonnes of life left & only really suspension that hasnt been renewed or upgraded...cheapest option for now. 8)
0% finance myself up on a fazer 8, wishful thinking but it's bad enough buying new stuff without the shit APR, if they have the deal then ill sign on the dotted line & who knows they might want rid of them. 8)
Get an old fireblade......the most exciting prospect of the 3 but not without it's problems....knowing me ill be wanting a mint one for longevity & future coolness. 8)
All good options though
So frustrating though...just like circling every page in the argos catalogue as a kid before christmas. :)
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I've ridden a few bikes in the 5 years I've been riding and my boxeye 600 is definitely the best for my needs and my favorite so far. I bought it as I wanted an affordable all rounder and that is exactly what it delivers, but its so fun and rewarding to ride as well. I honestly hardly ever even get to properly nail it and use its power, mostly I enjoy its decent handling and the fact that in 5th / 6th gear it is nice and responsive @ 60mph when having fun on national speed limit twisties. Perhaps that's due to where I live and what I use it for. Even so, when you do hold it up to 12k in low gears you are reaching 80-100mph in seconds....that still amazes me. Obviously there are faster bikes, better handling etc but as a budget all rounder you can't really fault this bike. The only 2 bikes that have blown me away in a similar way in terms of raw acceleration and feeling of speed were my mates GSX 1400 and when I was 16 my friends tuned DT125 (granted I've never ridden a proper sports bike). I would not have either of them over my Fazer though.
For someone my age, this is the best all round bike money can buy for the price and that's not to say it isn't for somebody older either it's just insurers are harsher on young people. A FZS 1000 or supersport like Joes ninja will be quicker of course, but how often do you truly use that pace? I have never once come off a ride and thought, well my Fazer 600 was a bit slow today I could have really done with a 1000cc. Its more to insure and run, more tax and costs more to actually buy in the first place. This may sound Biased but I can really genuinely not think of a better do it all bike that costs approx £1500 to buy at £300 a year fully comp insurance for a 21 year old. VFR? More expensive to insure and I hate clip ons. Never ridden one but can't imagine them being THAT much better than a Fazer. Hornet? Not as versatile. Same with SV although I do like them a lot. Bandit you can get for cheaper but not as good a bike. TDM 850, kind of boring. All the 500 twins are a bit small and meh. Supermoto's, great fun but nowhere near the versatility. An old GSX-R or something similar? Once again clip ons and more to insure. FZ6 / 8? Not my cup of tea at all. The mt-09 and 07 do look interesting though, but expensive... A mate recently got a GSR 600 on finance and traded in his bandit 600 so will be interesting to see what he makes of it long term. It's once again not my cup of tea though. Street triples etc at my age are no chance. Do they even tour anyway? The pillion seat is a postage stamp... It has to be a Fazer every time, just a shame you have to spend a load to make them comfy for tall people. My plan is to do mine up as good as I can / need for comfort and then buy a big old thumper of a dirt bike as a second bike to mess about on and work on, possibly convert to a supermoto.
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What about the mt-09? It's a hoot to ride, and it's a right torquey hooligan.
Its a possible Steve but the only reason I put the FZ8 in my shortlist is down to brand loyalty I guess. The other 3 are there because they are a bit different and I have never owned a Triumph, Aprillia or a Ducati. The shortlist may be down to 2 now though after checking out the 2nd hand prices of the Tuono V4PRC on Ebay. HOW MUCH. Way above a man of my means :'( I suppose the older Tuono would be a viable option and they are more affordable but they just look unfinished to me and nowhere near as nice as the latest model. When did naked bikes get so expensive ???
I think I have just stumbled upon the reason we love our Fazers so much !!!. They are a hard act to follow (hence the reason we always have massive debates about what to replace them with) and, they are affordable. When it comes down to performance per £££ what other allrounders come close. The emphasis here is on ALLROUNDERS, not cheap sportsbikes.
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My wingman has a mille fighter modelled on a tuono, and tbh it's not as good in my eyes as my fz1 (i always hit the limiter when I ride it!).
I had a 'prilla myself, it was a love/hate relationship!
the triumph (I had a tiger 1050) awesome engine! especially when tuned up. The St would be the closest useable bike to a fazer, the Speed triple the most involving but impractical. The engine has the same characteristics as the mt09, but the yam as per usual is more raw, more fun!
As for Ducati, well never had one, but a guy I used to ride with had a 748 that broke down EVERY ride out. that kind of put me off, and the fact that on tickover they sound like a knackered petrol driven cement mixer (anyone remember them?)
Each to their own and all that, good luck with finding the ideal bike!
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Chaps...the FZ8.....like lez...one reason to have one imo...brand loyalty...& :faz Loyalty....all salute the mighty
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Looks a tidy bike...ok maybe a little bit generic or cloney...not too crazy....little reserved etc.........but only 200cc off the thou......does it shift or does it foccin shift????.....as some have said it would be cheap to run, surely handles well....plus not being a thou means no pressure on the old "must be in the front" stakes as it is only an 8.
Im really intrigued...just because it doesnt sell that well...but could it be a secret Gem???
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What's the power delivery like on the 8? I was guessing it was like a less powerful gen II, all revs and screams, with less bottom end torque than the fzs.
I'm probably wrong though, am I :-\
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I do quite like revvy screaminess i must say.....it's like you can prepare yourself before it kicks in instead of being caught out torquing it up too early. :)
I mean theres merits to every type of engine but a high revving engine on song gives me a stiffy! :b
A quick scan on google reveals some nice looking FZ8's, wee exhaust mod & bobs yur uncle.
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Out yur caves FZ8 owners! :whip
What knows ye......what secrets you be keepin??????
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Has no-one read MCN this week?
Instead of the MT-09, why not the MT-07?
Still sticking with brand loyalty (whatever that is!) but have a better bike. None of the fuelling issues the 09 has but with all the fun and only £5200 new!
If it came with a nose fairing, I'd be well up for it as a Fazer replacement.
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Can't wait to try out the new Monster 1200 .
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I really have no idea what I want to buy next. I'm thinking Sports bike though... this will obviously be in addition to my Fazer
I'm tempted at looking in to the Ducati path... maybe a 1098... but I know foc all about them in reality
A lot of people seem to hate the idle noise because of the dry clutch... I actually don't mind it and in some cases quite like it...
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Has no-one read MCN this week?
Instead of the MT-09, why not the MT-07?
Still sticking with brand loyalty (whatever that is!) but have a better bike. None of the fuelling issues the 09 has but with all the fun and only £5200 new!
If it came with a nose fairing, I'd be well up for it as a Fazer replacement.
But they cant sell this bike for this money and still expect 7 or 8 grand for a fazer 8 can they...an old model.....there must be some cheap fazer 8's just around the corner.£££
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Has no-one read MCN this week?
Instead of the MT-09, why not the MT-07?
Still sticking with brand loyalty (whatever that is!) but have a better bike. None of the fuelling issues the 09 has but with all the fun and only £5200 new!
If it came with a nose fairing, I'd be well up for it as a Fazer replacement.
But they cant sell this bike for this money and still expect 7 or 8 grand for a fazer 8 can they...an old model.....there must be some cheap fazer 8's just around the corner.£££
Wopuldn't expect to see the Fazer 8 dicounted that much because of the MT-07 - that's a cheap commuter/first big bike kinda thing basically! (cheap suspension and brakes, and a parallel twin motor)
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I've had a few bikes including 3 from the Fazer 'brand':
A gen 1 thousand is the only new vehicle I have ever bought and I had it for ten years and 50k miles. I'd still have it now if it weren't for a patch of diesel :\ . Outstanding machine that I rode most days as I commute into London and I also used it to tour Europe a few times.
A 2006 FZ6 with about 13k miles on it. The lady who took me out in a SMIDSY did me a little bit of a favour by writing it off. The main issue I had with it was the on/off nature of the throttle and I can safely say I am no fan of fuel injection on bikes.....yes, yes I know it's so much better in many ways except for the most important one for me which is 'feel'.
I now have a 2003 FZS600 and it is easily better, for my needs, than the Gen 1 and is the best bike I've owned. I've ridden 10k miles on it and find it so much more nimble than the thou and just as quick for my riding style. I haven't toured on it, and probably won't, but that's only because I won't tour on a bike again. I'd have no problem cruising at Europe motorway speeds all day on it and then doing the twisties.
I ride BMW RT's at work and would rather have my Fazer for touring purposes as it's a much more comfortable fit even if it a bit more cramped, as for getting through traffic the BMW is almost as big as a car and makes filtering ...err.....entertaining! I couldn't have anything sports orientated as the lean forward position restricts so much of my vision that it feels very unsafe.
Looks like I'm stuck with what I have then! Oh well... 8)