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Bikes, Hints'n'Tips => FZS600 Fazer => Topic started by: Punkstig on 05 February 2014, 02:20:58 pm
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Bit the bullet and just ordered the Nitron sport shock,
I fully intend on doing more track days this year, and the modded thou shock I fitted needs servicing!
£100 to do and in my mind it's still a substandard shock so it won't be fit for my purpose!
I've read up on the R6 shock mod and right or wrong I just don't like the idea of it being the wrong length!
Plus that's still about £250 after changing the spring, and dog bones!
No, The Nitron option isn't cheap at just under £400, but it's new, shiny, guaranteed and of course British!
Had a short conversation with the fella regards upgrading fork internals and it's something they're working on this year, my T'cat forks are cartridge internals which although better than standard fazer forks still aren't amazing, so hopefully that could be upgraded in the future!
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Interested to hear how you get on, this would be my choice.
Opened my big trap about R6 shock recently & found out that R6 shock has some following but like you i'd rather have new than get a shock that needs modding & then maybe is already passed its best and then needs rebuilding.
Are these Nitron shocks also rebuildable then?, do they offer that service from the factory?
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Opened my big trap about R6 shock recently & found out that R6 shock has some following but like you i'd rather have new than get a shock that needs modding & then maybe is already passed its best and then needs rebuilding.
Are these Nitron shocks also rebuildable then?, do they offer that service from the factory?
Hehe, I closely followed yours and others comments, this isn't a dig guys, some people just don't have the same train of thoughts!
Completely rebuildable, factory is in Oxford and seem nice enough guys. I think they have a YouTube video on their production!
I also like that when you order not only do they ask your weight (obviously including bike kit)
But also, how do you ride (fast road and occasional track day/ commute etc) how often for pillion, and the shock will come pre set for pre load and damping adjustments to their research.
The shock I ordered is the basic sport so compression/rebound is a linked adjustment I had this on my Hagon for the old T'cat and it was more than adequate!
But this makes it a fit and ride, there should be little need to change the adjustments, however it is a personal feeling on the bike!
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Oh, and they're very busy atm (a good sign surely!?) so from ordering to delivery could be up to 14 days but they try to complete by 10
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V850vsRVOCc&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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Cheers geezer ill take a look
All my bike has to do is start and run this Spring & it will get one as a treat 8)
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I went with this one punkstig -
http://www.fgspecialparts.it/en/product_details.asp?maker=FG&code=Y0M024FQE11&model=YAMAHA%20FZS%20600%20FAZER&year=2000&product= (http://www.fgspecialparts.it/en/product_details.asp?maker=FG&code=Y0M024FQE11&model=YAMAHA%20FZS%20600%20FAZER&year=2000&product=)
Its a nice piece of kit right enough. I have only managed a 50 mile test run in cold Scottish winter conditions mind, but it feels good. I will get it set up properly come the better weather.
Its an easy job changing it out. The old one just drops out the bottom.
Good luck
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Bloody good shocks the Nitrons - had the track one (the middle one, with separate rebound and compression damping) on my old 600 hornet and it really changed the rear.
Totally rebuildable, and are also modular - so should you buy another bike you can send it back to them and they'll change it to fit the new bike for about £100!
Only bit I didn't like was the blue spring as my bike was all black, but they do different coloured springs if you ask for them :)
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Totally rebuildable, and are also modular - so should you buy another bike you can send it back to them and they'll change it to fit the new bike for about £100!
Ooo, now that is interesting, I still have the T'cat Hagon and phoned them up before swapping it out for the thou shock wondering if they'd do a cheap conversion, 'no' was the answer!
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I have the Nitron Sport fitted to my mighty Fazer Thou and the difference over the original is vast, obviously these are tailor made to suit your riding style and weight etc.........much better than a stolen recovered (get it up ye Luke) refurbished R6 in my opinion.....looks good in blue too
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I have the Nitron Sport fitted to my mighty Fazer Thou and the difference over the original is vast, obviously these are tailor made to suit your riding style and weight etc.........much better than a stolen recovered (get it up ye Luke) refurbished R6 in my opinion.....looks good in blue too
Looks very nice but....
What makes the Nitron sport "much better" than the R6 unit??
Is it the basic dampening control or lack of slow compression adjustment compared to the R6 unit or like you said the colour? :lol :lol
The bet the only tailored bit is matching the spring to your weight....
The thing I really do like is the fact that the shock can be easily lengthened also the design allowing the ends to be changed to fit another bike...
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I had the top Nitron model fitted to my 1000. It was pretty impressive, as was the price.
I also owned an R6 shock fitted to my 1000. I struggled to notice the difference, although to be fair that may be down to my riding limitations and lack of trackdays.
When I downsized to the 600 I adapted & fitted my R6 shock because I had it leftover in the garage after selling my 1000. It's true that the additional mods required to fit it to the 600 adds to the price, but it still comes in at just under £200 if you source one for under £120
New R6 shocks from bikes going straight to racing pop up occasionally on ebay.... I know 'cos I bought another one yesterday. I'm not exactly sure how many miles second-hand R6 shocks appearing on ebay have clocked up, but even the earliest ones from 2008 are unlikely to have clocked up over 12000 miles. Plenty of life left in them
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I have a source for nearly new R6 shocks - bikes converted for racing, and they'll cost £50 + £15postage.
Plus spring around £35
That leaves extras such as spring spacer and dog bones, spacers for the top mount.
It's a bit more fiddly than a plug n play solution, but it's also considerably cheaper!
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I have a source for nearly new R6 shocks - bikes converted for racing, and they'll cost £50 + £15postage.
Plus spring around £35
That leaves extras such as spring spacer and dog bones, spacers for the top mount.
It's a bit more fiddly than a plug n play solution, but it's also considerably cheaper!
Don't let Devilsyam know you're undercutting him by so much, and on the same site no less! ;)
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Ive got a Nitron with remote preload :D
(http://i59.tinypic.com/2yw7oqs.jpg)
Personally, I dont like the 'baby blue' but was too cheapskate to spend an extra £25 for a black spring :rolleyes
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How much was it to add the remote preload Mattsplat???
I seen it was an option but it was also an option to change the colour to black....but for £25 extra! :eek
& is the adjustor worthwhile, ie how often do you fiddle with it?, it certainly looks the bees knees i cant deny.
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How much was it to add the remote preload Mattsplat???
I seen it was an option but it was also an option to change the colour to black....but for £25 extra! :eek
& is the adjustor worthwhile, ie how often do you fiddle with it?, it certainly looks the bees knees i cant deny.
Couldnt tell you extra cost, I bought it 2nd hand off an FZ8. Sent it back to Nitron to get it sprung for the FZ1 and my weight etc...
I personally like the adjustor, I ride 2up often and travel with luggage often so a few of clicks to harden it up on the preload and she's good to go. If you ride solo then there isnt much point in the remote unit except for the bling factor :)
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How much was it to add the remote preload Mattsplat???
I seen it was an option but it was also an option to change the colour to black....but for £25 extra! :eek
& is the adjustor worthwhile, ie how often do you fiddle with it?, it certainly looks the bees knees i cant deny.
Couldnt tell you extra cost, I bought it 2nd hand off an FZ8. Sent it back to Nitron to get it sprung for the FZ1 and my weight etc...
I personally like the adjustor, I ride 2up often and travel with luggage often so a few of clicks to harden it up on the preload and she's good to go. If you ride solo then there isnt much point in the remote unit except for the bling factor :)
Cool thanks for the info
Ye that makes sense as im always on my own once i get it set up that's it then.
Oh i feel like just ordering one now so it is ready. :)
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Yeah, unless you constantly change carrying weights then there's no need for the remote adjuster, besides, if you carry the c spanner it's easy enough to change on the fly, but the remote does have a good bling factor!
As for the spring colour I'll probably wrap it in a protector anyway as it's out in all weather's!
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As for the spring colour I'll probably wrap it in a protector anyway as it's out in all weather's!
The shock socks are about £25, the same price as a black spring from Nitron.
I was too cheap to buy either :b
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As for the spring colour I'll probably wrap it in a protector anyway as it's out in all weather's!
The shock socks are about £25, the same price as a black spring from Nitron.
Old inner tubes and cable ties are pennies!
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The bike handling well with the new shock i take it???
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Fitted on Saturday, couldn't take it out as had my daughter.
Although it's apparently set up at the workshop for ordered requirements it felt very soft when sitting on it.
It came adjusted to 10 clicks out (22 max which must be like a bouncy castle!) changed this to 7 clicks, much firmer.
I also adjusted pre load, adding to it.
Unfortunately the commute is M25, so straight and flat, came off at junction for work and easily, I mean ridiculously easily planted left knee down, very very comfortable taking corners as if it was on the proverbial rails!
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Good to hear that, glad you're enjoying it. Strangely enough, the Wilbers I had made to my spec & requirements also came very soft and I did the same as you.
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Well i'm not jealous.
Yes i am. :b
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Lols,
Well, atm it's a long term keeper, and being my only bike means trackdays will be had on it, so it made sense in my head to spend the money on improving handling, last time at Bedford autodrome I was the only fazer, as much as I showed some people up on more serious machinery the suspension did limit how much I could push it.
Times have changed!
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get some pics up! :D
Glad it's good. Maybe one day I'll invest in some decent suspension upgrades. think I need more miles under my belt first though.
Chris
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get some pics up! :D
Glad it's good. Maybe one day I'll invest in some decent suspension upgrades. think I need more miles under my belt first though.
Chris
Tbh on this bike Chris upgrade the suspension as soon as you have the pennies, it will inspire more confidence than standard, hence mileage experience isn't the right way of looking at it.
Unless of course you see the fazer as a midway bike to the next!
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get some pics up! :D
Glad it's good. Maybe one day I'll invest in some decent suspension upgrades. think I need more miles under my belt first though.
Chris
Tbh on this bike Chris upgrade the suspension as soon as you have the pennies, it will inspire more confidence than standard, hence mileage experience isn't the right way of looking at it.
Unless of course you see the fazer as a midway bike to the next!
A good point, I love my fazer and don't see me selling it on for a long time but for the mileage I do per year, about 3kish, then it's a very expensive mod. It's definitely on the list of things to do though! The standard suspension is capable enough for me at the moment but I see what you mean about having better suspension may in fact help me have more confidence. I guess it's a kind of balance between cost and need.
Chris
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This forum makes me want to spend money. I've only had my boxeye for about 18 months and have never really thought that the standard suspension was a limiting factor. It seems to handle sweet to me on the standard stuff. Having said that I don't ride like Rossi but I can get a shift on when the mood takes me. If it feels ok to me now, would I actually notice an improvement with something like this Nitron jobbie ? I only ask because I am toying with the small seed of an idea of swapping the boxeye out for another bike or taking the plunge to upgrade the suspension and hang onto it for a couple more years. Its an expensive upgrade to make if I wouldn't really notice an improvement. If my rear (standard) shock was knackered, it would be a 'no brainer' but it still seems fine, even two up. Its only done 16,000 miles at present so I'm guessing it's still up to the job ???
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It will be, but service life for a standard shock isn't much more than 20,000, especially if you're doing a lot of 2 up, if the cost is an issue then look into the R6 upgrade that's doing the rounds
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This forum makes me want to spend money. I've only had my boxeye for about 18 months and have never really thought that the standard suspension was a limiting factor. It seems to handle sweet to me on the standard stuff. Having said that I don't ride like Rossi but I can get a shift on when the mood takes me. If it feels ok to me now, would I actually notice an improvement with something like this Nitron jobbie ? I only ask because I am toying with the small seed of an idea of swapping the boxeye out for another bike or taking the plunge to upgrade the suspension and hang onto it for a couple more years. Its an expensive upgrade to make if I wouldn't really notice an improvement. If my rear (standard) shock was knackered, it would be a 'no brainer' but it still seems fine, even two up. Its only done 16,000 miles at present so I'm guessing it's still up to the job ???
Honestly mate, if you can do it, do so. You'll notice a huge improvement, particularly if you sort out the front with springs and oil at the same time!
You'll really be surprised just how much better upgraded suspension is compared to budget stuff, you'll just have so much confidence in the bike and your abilities on it! That said, if you feel like you need more power/different riding position on something along those lines, then I wouldn't bother, but if you think you could keep the fazer for a while definitely do it!
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Well it's no so much that the cost is an issue but like most people I don't want to spend the money if I wouldn't notice that much of an improvement. I have upgraded to the R6 shock on my Gen 1 but to be fair I haven't ridden the Gen 1 for over 12 months due to using the boxeye (shameful) so I don't know how it performs yet :\
Besides, if I was upgrading the suspension on the boxeye I would want to try something that is a straight swap rather than having to make any modifications, which I believe you have to do by fitting the R6 unit. I was kind of set on the Hyperpro rear shock for the boxeye but it seems as though the Nitron is getting good feedback on here and the price is very similar.
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This forum makes me want to spend money. I've only had my boxeye for about 18 months and have never really thought that the standard suspension was a limiting factor. It seems to handle sweet to me on the standard stuff. Having said that I don't ride like Rossi but I can get a shift on when the mood takes me. If it feels ok to me now, would I actually notice an improvement with something like this Nitron jobbie ? I only ask because I am toying with the small seed of an idea of swapping the boxeye out for another bike or taking the plunge to upgrade the suspension and hang onto it for a couple more years. Its an expensive upgrade to make if I wouldn't really notice an improvement. If my rear (standard) shock was knackered, it would be a 'no brainer' but it still seems fine, even two up. Its only done 16,000 miles at present so I'm guessing it's still up to the job ???
Honestly mate, if you can do it, do so. You'll notice a huge improvement, particularly if you sort out the front with springs and oil at the same time!
You'll really be surprised just how much better upgraded suspension is compared to budget stuff, you'll just have so much confidence in the bike and your abilities on it! That said, if you feel like you need more power/different riding position on something along those lines, then I wouldn't bother, but if you think you could keep the fazer for a while definitely do it!
Thanks for that JR. I'm not really looking in swapping to something vastly different. I like the versatility and riding position of the boxeye so was thinking along the lines of something like an FZ8 to give me a little more umphh but not quite as extreme as my Gen 1. I guess even with only 16,000 on the boxeye I would probably notice the difference, especially if, like you say, I upgrade the front end too. I just figure that £400 sheets is a fair bit of wedge spent on a 16 year old bike that could be put towards an FZ8 (or similar) if I decide to swap. I know it's not a decision that anyone else can make for me but advice is always welcomed ;)
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I still have to phone nitron to confirm but I've heard you can send them the shock back and for around £100 they'll do the necessary changes to fit your new bike, therefore the shock could be with you for life in theory!
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I still have to phone nitron to confirm but I've heard you can send them the shock back and for around £100 they'll do the necessary changes to fit your new bike, therefore the shock could be with you for life in theory!
Less than £100.
I sent them an FZ8 shock and asked them to make it for an FZ1, they just charged me for the price of the spring (£25) plus post.
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High end shock for life it is then!
I mentioned before- I have a Hagon for the T'cat, phoned them asking if they can make adjustments to fit it to the fazer 'no' was the long answer!
Even more of a reason to spend that extra money on the Nitron!
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It was basically a spring swap they did with mine.
I don't know about making it work with other models as the length/mountings will be different.