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Bikes, Hints'n'Tips => FZS600 Fazer => Topic started by: Punkstig on 26 January 2014, 05:37:33 pm
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Right, who's got what and what do you see as the negative points of them?
I've got crash bungs atm but know from several previous experiences these are only good for dropping the bike at a standstill (which I've also done several times!)
I've narrowed my choice down to either Heed or Renntec, the full engine crash bars, not the smaller ones!
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I've got the full renntec ones on. Apart from being heavy, bulky and (some would say) ugly, theres no real negatives to them. I've yet to test mine out yet though thankfully.
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I have the smaller ones with the three mounting points - these:
http://www.wemoto.com/bikes/Yamaha/FZS_600_Fazer/98-99/picture/Engine_Bars_-_Black/ (http://www.wemoto.com/bikes/Yamaha/FZS_600_Fazer/98-99/picture/Engine_Bars_-_Black/)
I've dropped the bike once at a stand still since I've had these fitted (2 or 3 years, quite an acheivement for shortarsed me) and they did a considerably better job than the crash bungs fitted previously which allowed the edges of the front fairing to hit the deck and get foc'ed up. Like you, I think crash bungs on the 600 are not very effective, I think their position low down makes them less than ideal.
Renntec & Heed (latter look neater to me) look beefier but the above has done everything I'd expect from crash bars so the fact they're smaller, lighter & cheaper is a positive point in my book.
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We id all this here http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php/topic,1655.msg95874.html#msg95874 (http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php/topic,1655.msg95874.html#msg95874)
Im not sure about the webmoto being 3 pionts as the top one is on a long bar attached to a point much lower
Sorry just read that you are on about the larger ones
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Yes, you're right they are in reality only attached to the frame at 2 points (I was just trying to differentiate from the ones in the 1st photo in your link)
What I did notice was that - whether intentionally designed to do so or not - because they are bolted to those plates, the bars can move a small amount, so there is a bit of "give" and the force is not directly transferred to the frame or engine bolts, not straight away at least. Another bonus is that it is very easy to remove the bars as you can simply remove them from the plates so you can leave the engine bolts in situ.
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What I did notice was that - whether intentionally designed to do so or not - because they are bolted to those plates, the bars can move a small amount, so there is a bit of "give" and the force is not directly transferred to the frame
In that respect they are good
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As well as protection my plan is to rivet sheet ally creating a belly pan, this is the main reason I'm looking at the bigger bars.
I'll have to eye things up cause in my mind I still can't decide whether to rivet over the top of the bars hiding them or under the bars to look a bit different!
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Oh I see, is the ally for cosmetic purposes only or will it do something more - keep the bike cleaner?
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The bigger and beefier the bars, the better! Had a set on my tiger 1050. When it went down the engine and frame were untouched, the crash bars were mangled!
Worth every penny.
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heres mine for reference (I think they are renntec at least? came on the bike anyway!)
(http://i642.photobucket.com/albums/uu141/mickwhitworth/Yamaha%20FZS600%20Fazer/IMAG1567_zps0385dd84.jpg)
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Mick - I know the renntec's have a hole for where the bung in the frame is, are they bolted through that part of the frame too? (below the seat, not the front of the bike!)
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Looking closer at the pic I'm assuming they're bolted in with the footpegs, is that right?
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aye, one of the bolts is into the footpeg/hanger :)
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Just one?
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The thing is the renntec's are more expensive than the Heed but if they bolt into the frame there that makes them a lot stronger!
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Oh I see, is the ally for cosmetic purposes only or will it do something more - keep the bike cleaner?
Both, bearing in mind it'll probably be covered with tiger print!
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Just one?
just gone out and looked. there are two at the rear (both the top and bottom mounts for the footpeg hanger).
also one bolt at the front top into the frame, and one at the bottom front as well :)
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I have the genuine Yamaha ones, 5DM-W0741-00
It has been down the road 3 times and the saved a lot of damage to the engine casings. On my 3rd set. Had black, then chrome and now back to black again
http://kleinanzeigen.ebay.de/anzeigen/s-anzeige/original-fzs600-sturzbuegel-5dm-w0741-00-neu-ovp/173493263-222-4719 (http://kleinanzeigen.ebay.de/anzeigen/s-anzeige/original-fzs600-sturzbuegel-5dm-w0741-00-neu-ovp/173493263-222-4719)
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Yeah, I don't like them unfazed, no supporting arm so mot as beefy as the Heed or Renntec!
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Yeah, I don't like them unfazed, no supporting arm so mot as beefy as the Heed or Renntec!
I thought the same before my first off. I bought them originally for looks and fall over protection.
Was plesently surprised when they took the brunt in a the slide without anything other than road rash.
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you only need the olwers that I have got because they stick out far enough to protect the engine
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you only need the olwers that I have got because they stick out far enough to protect the engine
I like to have the rad protected also. You can ride with bent leaking forks, :lol (speaking from experience) but not with a bent leaking rad
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So, been looking again at getting some bars for the bike.
With the Heed or Renntec ones with their cross bar, do any of you find gets in the way of your legs/feet at all?
So I've been looking at the Yammy ones, seems there's a few variants:-
The lower rounded mini one: 5RT-W0741-00 (as pictured in this Fazer brochure (https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&ved=0CDYQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Ffoc-u.co.uk%2Findex.php%3Faction%3Ddownloads%3Bsa%3Ddownfile%26id%3D25&ei=8Bf6UoGeJsHe7AaNpICADA&usg=AFQjCNH2-KdCtEELl34sHdaBG_rCCThkiQ&sig2=sJugeobFKhS1cZjmDrbq0Q))
And the squarer taller ones: 5DM-W0741-00 / 5DM-W0741-10 (black/chrome)
These last ones, seem to come in two versions, one where two halves meet in centre of bike and one where they don't. Can anyone shed some light on these two version? Foxeye/Boxeye versions? older/newer iterations?Granted, neither will provide as much protection as the more encompassing Heed/Renntec bars, but I think I prefer the more discreet look of them. And from much experience, the rear of the engine doesn't hit the ground anyway, as my pegs and Givi rack/box take the impact first...
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Not sure why there are different but I think they'll both fit all the FZS600 models. I would say that the version where the two halves join would be better.
Have you seen this?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FZS-600-Fazer-Genuine-Yamaha-Engine-Bars/271392726432?_trksid=p2047675.c100011.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222006%26algo%3DSIC.FITP%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140107083358%26meid%3D4760372388222057504%26pid%3D100011%26prg%3D20140107083358%26rk%3D0%26rkt%3D10%26sd%3D291056028903 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FZS-600-Fazer-Genuine-Yamaha-Engine-Bars/271392726432?_trksid=p2047675.c100011.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222006%26algo%3DSIC.FITP%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140107083358%26meid%3D4760372388222057504%26pid%3D100011%26prg%3D20140107083358%26rk%3D0%26rkt%3D10%26sd%3D291056028903)
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Yep. Also seen some other genuine ones about second hand too. ;-)
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I personally dont like bungs I have seen to many twisted engine cradles and broken engine mounts because of them. I can vouch for the big wrap around bars and how well they work. As for the little Wemoto bars they are only good for a very low speed off and not much more.
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Just noticed I posted the wrong image of the genuine engine bars
http://kleinanzeigen.ebay.de/anzeigen/s-anzeige/original-fzs600-sturzbuegel-5dm-w0741-00-neu-ovp/173493263-222-4719 (http://kleinanzeigen.ebay.de/anzeigen/s-anzeige/original-fzs600-sturzbuegel-5dm-w0741-00-neu-ovp/173493263-222-4719)
http://images.cmsnl.com/img/products/lower-engine-guard-se_big5RTW074100-01_22d8.jpg (http://images.cmsnl.com/img/products/lower-engine-guard-se_big5RTW074100-01_22d8.jpg)
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Hey Punkstig......any more thoughts on this Punk-bellied-pan????....sounds interesting likes.
I've got some Renntec big bars from Apage and im just putting on coat after coat of paint then i'll get them fitted....the pressure pad at the rear frame at first glance worried me a little, i just thought mmm i dunno if i want too much pressure on that part and on the hangers but after more thought it is a good thing, it spreads out the pressure plus if the hanger snaps off then it has taken allot of the impact energy and can be replaced.
i might look at some kind of gasket or bit of rubber to stick on the plate though to limit damage to the frame.
Plus the good thing is that the 2 halves join together at the front....male to female creating a strong point so i think they look sound.
I would also like a small black belly pan but im not sure it will fit from standard with these crash bars in place.
anyone fitted rentec bars plus a belly pan...any pics?????
cheers
Nog 8)
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I've had to put this on the back burner- just forked out £550 on suspension front and back!
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I've had to put this on the back burner- just forked out £550 on suspension front and back!
Cool...more worthwhile anyway! :)