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General => General => Topic started by: lew600fazer on 25 January 2014, 04:25:02 pm
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Hi My dealer out here in Spain is trying it on I reckon. How often do you get your bike serviced. I say by milage or annually.
Normally I will do my own servicing oils filters etc!But as my FZ6 is still under yamaha 2 year warranty (2010 bike but first registered June 2013) they are telling me the oils should be changed at 6000kms = 3750 miles. I had the first service at 1000kms =625 miles. I have looked at the service manual and it says 10,000kms/6250 miles for oil change and 20,000kms/12500miles for the filter. I would not do an oil change without changing the filter anyway.
Also I do not think I would let the oil run beyond 5000miles either.
What do you reckon. I do ride the bike out here in Spain all year round. If I was in the UK and the bike was led up for the winter months I would do an oil change as a matter of course come Spring time.
Thoughts please.
Lew
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Normally about every 3k miles for me for both the oil and filters.
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Pretty sure the Yamaha recommendation is 6000 MILES Lew. Warmer weather in Spain - would that affect it? Don't know, wouldn't have thought so. Your FZ1 should be the same. 600 for the first service is correct.
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Pretty sure the Yamaha recommendation is 6000 MILES Lew. Warmer weather in Spain - would that affect it? Don't know, wouldn't have thought so. Your FZ1 should be the same. 600 for the first service is correct.
Yea Nick, just looking at the service manual section 6-3 item 21&22 , oil change first 1000km/600 odd miles then every 10,000kms /6000 odd miles oil change and filter change at 20,000kms/12,000miles. I would never do an oil change without changing the filter anyway.
I would never let it run to that but they are telling me I will infringe the warranty if I do not get it serviced sooner.
The warmer weather should not really effect it that much out here as the engine operating temperature is normally 85 degrees. Colder weather has more effect on engine oil performance. When oil is colder it is more viscous thereby losing some of its lubricating properties until the engine achieves correct operating temperature and obviously this takes longer in Northern Europe.
Lew.
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Oil & filter every year for me , I do between 3500 - 4000 miles per year , although the service book says 6k for oil and 12k for oil & filter that's km , mines a gen1.
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bought mine new, had the 600 mile service after about 4 weeks then 12 months and 5,000 miles later had the next service, this took me to the end of the 2 years warranty, the dealer told me it was a good idea to get it serviced before the two years was up? I didn't and done my own servicing since, change oil and filter every year, about 4,000 miles, check brakes over and chain every tyre change lube chain after rain/washing or every 2 weeks, just thinking of changing all fluids and air filter this year at 34,000 miles
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Every other year for me which is less than 2k
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Oil and Filter every 4000 on my FZS 600.
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I do every 3,000. Half way between scheduled 6,000 in the book
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You lot don't half waste some money! I do mine 'about' every 6k miles. That's as yam say it should be done, but if you go over for a thousand, don't worry (unless your under warranty). It's not going to self destruct at 6001 miles!!
And changing it early isn't going to do the bike any favours, or rebuild worn bores.
After a lifetime in the engineering buisness, metal is metal, rub them together and they will wear, it matters not about oil types, viscosities, age, and mileage is almost irrelevant.
Just change it at 6k (ish) and don't panic about it!
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Makes me feel good
If you want to buy my second hand part used oil i will save it for you
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Probably ought to do mine soon. 9500 miles since last done :lol
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once a year as reward for passing mot.......way over 6000 the last two years :o
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Contrary to what Stevierst says, I think regular oil change is good for the wear of metal parts. As oil gets used, it collects deposits of carbon and metal shards. An excess of these in the oil will increase wear on the metal parts. That is not to say that Yamaha are wrong. 6000 miles is the recomended milage. Fair enough. But I would rather change my oil before that point than after. And every year if I did less milage as the oil degrades. But, its your bike and you can treat it any way you like. Shit, don't ever change it for all I care ;)
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Might have to kick the tyres this year too....
Still, no rush, the chain's only just dragging on the floor :)
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I usually change oil and do services on my vehicles when I feel like it and take the recommended time under advisement. This usually means an oil change will be done anywhere from 3,000 to 8,000 miles on the bike. The car drew the short straw and although only had about 4k miles put on it, it was a good 18 months or more between its last service and the one before that.
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Contrary to what Stevierst says, I think regular oil change is good for the wear of metal parts. As oil gets used, it collects deposits of carbon and metal shards. An excess of these in the oil will increase wear on the metal parts. That is not to say that Yamaha are wrong. 6000 miles is the recomended milage. Fair enough. But I would rather change my oil before that point than after. And every year if I did less milage as the oil degrades. But, its your bike and you can treat it any way you like. Shit, don't ever change it for all I care ;)
That is why they are fitted with a filter to remove the deposits
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You lot don't half waste some money! I do mine 'about' every 6k miles. That's as yam say it should be done, but if you go over for a thousand, don't worry (unless your under warranty). It's not going to self destruct at 6001 miles!!
And changing it early isn't going to do the bike any favours, or rebuild worn bores.
I agree, most of you are wasting money. Well said.
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I can see the bigger picture here.
I can see the logic in regular changes.
But it only comes into play if you keep the same bike from birth il death.
Buy a 10 year old bike that has already been abused then it wont make much difference.
treating a bike to death only to sell it 2 years later to someone who abuses it rotten is pointless.
Most folk have longevity in mind.
Most folk end up selling the bike after a few years so why did they bother their arse with it so much.
Personally i change the oil once a year regardless of mileage but I'm only a summer rider.
Once a year....& thrash it all year 8)
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You lot don't half waste some money! I do mine 'about' every 6k miles. That's as yam say it should be done, but if you go over for a thousand, don't worry (unless your under warranty). It's not going to self destruct at 6001 miles!!
And changing it early isn't going to do the bike any favours, or rebuild worn bores.
After a lifetime in the engineering buisness, metal is metal, rub them together and they will wear, it matters not about oil types, viscosities, age, and mileage is almost irrelevant.
Just change it at 6k (ish) and don't panic about it!
That is the idea of oil so you do not rub the metal together, there is a film of oil between the two moving surfaces, it is called an oil wedge. The most wear and tear on an engine takes place on the start up as the system is not instantly pressurised. On a lot of larger engines there is an oil priming pump which keeps the system pressurised and therefore maintains that film ofv oil between the bearings /crank journals and cylinder walls.
Life time in Merchant navy marine Chief engineer.
But I do agree changing the oil early is wasting money. Only thing I would say is if a bike has been sitting all winter and not run I would change the oil come spring time as there will be a certain amount of moisture will have got into the oil.
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Hey Lew this is my mantra about winter storage.
I stick my bike in the shed at start of winter & i dont start it once until summer.....after an oil chamge.
As you sort of say my reasoning is that all the moisture & crap last years oil will not do the engine any good being chucked around the engine for 30 seconds at high revs once a week.
I just let it sit and accumulate...flush it out end of winter, replace with nice and fresh stuff and woola bobs my uncle fannys my aunt.
If it worked last year for me then maybe a fluke...if it works this year that's a trend. :)
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Every other year for me which is less than 2k
Ok fazersharp you've reminded me my oil change is due this year as it was last done in 2012 about 2000 miles ago I didn't bother last year as I'd only done about 700 miles since the previous year. I really need to get out more, but as I only ride for pleasure I choose my days. Roll on summer.
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Every other year for me which is less than 2k
Ok fazersharp you've reminded me my oil change is due this year as it was last done in 2012 about 2000 miles ago I didn't bother last year as I'd only done about 700 miles since the previous year. I really need to get out more, but as I only ride for pleasure I choose my days. Roll on summer.
At last somone who is just like me, I dont mind it cold but it has to be dry. If you look at my mot now they include the last 6 years or so milage, its like looking at the history of the years weather.
And as noggy says early oil change is only any good if you have had the bike since new - I brought my 98 in 2001 with 4k on the clock.
Right what about time then, with my car am I not told every 12 months or 10k miles whichever comes sooner - so what about the time factor in my bike
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mr yamaha spends millions on research & development i think they've taken into account various scenarios laying up for the winter etc, and give recommendations for each model in various country climates . Im happy to go with that, or do we know some thing he does'nt ??? Anyway lets have a discussion on tyres ;)
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various scenarios laying up for the winter etc
I very much doubt that.
And why would they recomend somthing that WOULD keep your bike going for on for ever, wheres the sense in that.
Yes the boffins have spent thousands on researching that every 6k change would see you buying a new bike off them in 10 years
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would be interested in how many people prefer to buy a bike with a FSH or one without
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I'd like a service history, but it doesn't have to be dealer serviced, I'd be equally happy with the owner's own service log. I do the basics myself, and keep a log of everything that's been done, including a note of anything I get done at the dealers. Helps me keep track, lets a new owner know where they stand.
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In my opinion the frequency of oil changes depends on how long you want the engine to last and the use of your bike, by that l mean do you go long rides where the oil gets hot and burns off moisture in the oil (white sludge in the oil window?) and you use the gearbox less or like me do you use the bike all year round in freezing conditions heavy commuting, up and down the gearbox, 11miles each way to and from work where the oil never really gets hot? :\ the bike is also used for touring and ride outs, l do around 8-10k miles per year. So on the this basis l change the oil every 3k and the filter every other oil change, all seems well with my Hornet 600 engine so far, it runs great, no oil useage between changes and l ve clocked up 80k miles now. Then theres the subject of what oil should be used :lol
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Contrary to what Stevierst says, I think regular oil change is good for the wear of metal parts. As oil gets used, it collects deposits of carbon and metal shards. An excess of these in the oil will increase wear on the metal parts. That is not to say that Yamaha are wrong. 6000 miles is the recomended milage. Fair enough. But I would rather change my oil before that point than after. And every year if I did less milage as the oil degrades. But, its your bike and you can treat it any way you like. Shit, don't ever change it for all I care ;)
Off bike, my cage is a skoda and it gives me a choice of 1yr or 2yr oil. surely metal shards can't discriminate between the two.
I actually heard once that changing oil too frequently could do harm as well. But that aside I'm inclined to follow the recommendations from the experts of both vehicle and oil producers allowing as with all sell/use by dates a safe extended period. After all they have more than one motorcycle to lose if they take the limits to close to the edge and also by giving a reduced life span they sell more product. So why give them more sales by further reducing it. Clearly if using standard road use spec oil and then thrashing the bollox out of the bike I would adjust to hopefully compensate. But then if I was that concerned I would read the label and buy for purpose. [size=78%] [/size]
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I can see the bigger picture here.
I can see the logic in regular changes.
But it only comes into play if you keep the same bike from birth il death.
Buy a 10 year old bike that has already been abused then it wont make much difference.
treating a bike to death only to sell it 2 years later to someone who abuses it rotten is pointless.
Most folk have longevity in mind.
Most folk end up selling the bike after a few years so why did they bother their arse with it so much.
Personally i change the oil once a year regardless of mileage but I'm only a summer rider.
Once a year....& thrash it all year 8)
Nice spacing that man
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Hey Lew this is my mantra about winter storage.
I stick my bike in the shed at start of winter & i dont start it once until summer.....after an oil chamge.
As you sort of say my reasoning is that all the moisture & crap last years oil will not do the engine any good being chucked around the engine for 30 seconds at high revs once a week.
I just let it sit and accumulate...flush it out end of winter, replace with nice and fresh stuff and woola bobs my uncle fannys my aunt.
If it worked last year for me then maybe a fluke...if it works this year that's a trend. :)
The alternative to this is:
Do an oil change BEFORE you store it: Less chance of it emulsifying (i.e separating) - Better when you start up the engine after it's winter lay off! :)
Brake Fluid: Replace every 2 years as its hygroscopic i.e. absorbs moisture & deteriorates - Therefore stops you stopping! (NEVER a good thing!)
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When I buy a bike or car I prefer to get one with as much service history as possible , I bought mine 3years ago with 18300 miles , its an 02 and was owned by the previous owner for 7 years , it was advertised at £2750 I haggled him down to £ 2500.
It had the following mods hagon shock , mra vario screen , rear hugger, goodridge braided brake lines, heated grips , crash bungs , dual horn installation .
It had a main dealer stamp for the first service , an independent garage had carried out the 2nd service at 11800 miles , talking to the seller it was very apparent that he was very anal about maintaining the bike , so I made a judgement call , if I had a bad vibe about a seller even with fsh I would walk away .
The bike now has 30800 miles , I have carried out the following myself oil & filter every year , exup valve stripped cleaned regreased , the spark plugs twice , air filter once its due a replacement , replaced coolant twice 2nd time because I took the radiator off to paint the front of the engine , checked cleaned adjusted and relubed the chain when it needs doing , JHS racing have carried out the following a major service at 26000 miles inc valve check , 2 rear tyres , 1 front tyre , rear brake pads , front brake pads , rear tyre valve . I intend to keep this bike so probably go overboard on it .