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Title: Third times the charm?
Post by: reillypadraig on 20 January 2014, 06:58:42 am
Ok guys so most of you know I powdercoated the frame red.......wel I think now in the long run it was a bad idea... Due to the fact that it looks shit in every picture I take of it(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/01/20/myty5u8u.jpg)

So I'm going to strip it again...yes this will be the third full strip I'v done since I got the bike, and I'v only just fixed her up and running wel :-(.

I can't afford to redo the powdercoating so might just hang frame from roof of shed and spray with ye-old spray can? Bike frame will still be powdercoated protected just changing the colour eh? Going back to the black is the safest bet me thinks.

Think I might time myself this time,
I'm aiming for 3-4 hours to having just frame, wiring loom and all out haha
Title: Re: Third times the charm?
Post by: fazersharp on 20 January 2014, 08:31:20 am
Can we have a look closer than 2 miles away
Title: Re: Third times the charm?
Post by: reillypadraig on 20 January 2014, 08:35:30 am
Sorry that was first photo I came to.. Here(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/01/20/ezahaby9.jpg)

Really not happy with the way it turned out...
Title: Re: Third times the charm?
Post by: fazersharp on 20 January 2014, 09:01:58 am
Back in October christo showed you what it would look like in red and other colours and I said do it silver. Im sorry it seems im rubbing it in but here is the post's, you were warned how it would look.
If you just spray it on top of the powder coat it just chip and scratch off. You have my full respect for your skill in stripping down the bike, but I would just leave it now and grow to love it
I thought it might look cool with a red frame too. So I had a friend photoshop some frame colours for me. I was surprised by the result - and not pleasently.






Tell your friend hes done a great photoshop job.
With a black fazer I think that the silver looks the best -----------------in fact I like it vey much and think it should of been that colour all along.
Just a note on the photoshop silver is that the actual silver will look much better as silver in a photoshop job like that is inpossible to do and can look just grey, but should give an idea.
I fancy polishing my cam end caps, can I just take em off or will lots of engine stuff fall out
Title: Re: Third times the charm?
Post by: red98 on 20 January 2014, 09:06:48 am
change the fazer script to red and do the same to the yamaha script on the tank that you hav`nt got  :lol ....that will look better with a small outlay  ;)
Title: Re: Third times the charm?
Post by: reillypadraig on 20 January 2014, 09:08:14 am
Yea I was warned, only myself to blame, thought it would look good at the time but now I'm not so sure, up close it looks good but stand back and take a foto of it it looks pink,& shit, hmmm, wel I have to paint the engine anyway so might aswel put frame back to original colour, still glad I got the powdercoating done though even though it was wrong colour, just I know frame won't rot now
Title: Re: Third times the charm?
Post by: red98 on 20 January 2014, 09:09:42 am
polishing up those stainless downpipes will help,will match the can then....how about doing something with the grab handle ,chrome/polished might be good  ;)
Title: Re: Third times the charm?
Post by: limax2 on 20 January 2014, 09:15:51 am
Looks good to me, I would stay with it. Maybe some matching red on the tank, fairing, mudguard and rear plastic would look good but as I'm not really the arty type maybe others can come up with some suggestions. What about the decals from the red 1999- 2000 'S' model that someone was asking about recently or something along those lines with paint?
Title: Re: Third times the charm?
Post by: reillypadraig on 20 January 2014, 09:18:03 am
Polish them? Lol p60 grade sandpaper won't take that shite of a hahahha, never though of doing anything with the grap rail to be honest, it's not even black,

I have a friend who's father works in a stainless steel factory, he is taking a pillion foot peg with him to see if the guys in the polishing dept can so anything with them... If so them half the bike is being sent lol, I tried the mirror shine on the swing arm....didn't work out so trying a different approach.
Title: Re: Third times the charm?
Post by: fazersharp on 20 January 2014, 09:29:06 am
I felt I was a bit hard on you so I have done a mock up for you as per red98 idea
 The pegs are not stainless steel but are alloy and will polish up easy with metal polish but will tarnish and dull again after a while
Title: Re: Third times the charm?
Post by: reillypadraig on 20 January 2014, 09:34:40 am
Lol, actually that's not half bad?
Title: Re: Third times the charm?
Post by: reillypadraig on 20 January 2014, 09:39:47 am
Oh sorry I know there alloy, it's not being done the same as stainless, just polishing, but he's not sure if it will do much for the Swingarm with the anodised coating..
I did buy myself some baking powder but can't remember the mixture with water to remove the coating, and it's a pain with the sandpaper, just can't get it all of
Title: Re: Third times the charm?
Post by: fazersharp on 20 January 2014, 09:40:25 am
And here with the grap rail
 
Title: Re: Third times the charm?
Post by: wickedmonkey on 20 January 2014, 09:56:15 am
I agree. I think you need MORE red, not less, to help balance out the black. What about a red leather seat? Probably pricey though.
Title: Re: Third times the charm?
Post by: reillypadraig on 20 January 2014, 09:59:09 am
Hmmmm? Dip die??? Is that still being done?
Where could u get those decals?

Red bar end weights?
Paint blue spot red on front brake calipers?
Title: Re: Third times the charm?
Post by: wickedmonkey on 20 January 2014, 10:05:07 am
And wheel rims.
Title: Re: Third times the charm?
Post by: reillypadraig on 20 January 2014, 10:06:41 am
Not sure I'd go as far as the rims?
Title: Re: Third times the charm?
Post by: fazersharp on 20 January 2014, 10:07:26 am
I agree. I think you need MORE red, not less, to help balance out the black. What about a red leather seat? Probably pricey though.
Oh flippin heck

Wait a miniute then
Title: Re: Third times the charm?
Post by: fazersharp on 20 January 2014, 10:16:34 am
Here you are then, any more and im just going to google for a red fazer
Many years ago I recovered a seat once myself - just get some red faux leather or even cheeper vinal and it will streach over the origional and fix it like the origional I think its just stapled or somthing
 
Your local sign makers can do the decals in red for you
 
Title: Re: Third times the charm?
Post by: dcurzon on 20 January 2014, 10:23:56 am
Anodised red can, polish the downpipes up a bit, powdercoat the swingarm matt black.
That'll look reet
Title: Re: Third times the charm?
Post by: reillypadraig on 20 January 2014, 10:30:02 am
Any ideas on polishing pipes? There pretty bad, red end can sounds wel, no red back there, Matt black could be done 2,
Title: Re: Third times the charm?
Post by: CRH on 20 January 2014, 10:38:45 am
i would!! leave the seat black?...powdercoat the wheels same colour as frame"...decals in red"..or  you might end up overdoing it a bit!!
Title: Re: Third times the charm?
Post by: red98 on 20 January 2014, 11:02:31 am
thought that red seat might work,but now ive seen it (nice work fazersharp) i think it looks a bit tacky.....bike need something to lift it....how about silver wheels,do it yourself with a rattle can....cheap as chips  ;)
Title: Re: Third times the charm?
Post by: darrsi on 20 January 2014, 11:29:45 am
Any ideas on polishing pipes? There pretty bad, red end can sounds wel, no red back there, Matt black could be done 2,

 
http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php/topic,8580.msg86722.html#msg86722 (http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php/topic,8580.msg86722.html#msg86722)
Title: Re: Third times the charm?
Post by: darrsi on 20 January 2014, 11:31:48 am
Maybe a matching set of bright red leather trousers and jacket will offset it......with tassles of course?  :rollin :rollin :rollin 
Title: Re: Third times the charm?
Post by: wickedmonkey on 20 January 2014, 11:40:54 am
Yes, red seat may be too much. Very 80s!

Title: Re: Third times the charm?
Post by: His Dudeness on 20 January 2014, 01:40:42 pm
And here with the grap rail

I think that looks pretty good. Maybe do the fender extender red too to give you a bit of red at the front
Title: Re: Third times the charm?
Post by: Fuzzy on 20 January 2014, 03:03:00 pm
Keep the frame that way, definitely not worth the hassle stripping the bike down again.

Whenever I do anything to my bike, I aim to make it look like something that could have come out the factory that way.

The red frame looks good to me and I think it has potential to look fantastic. Don't like the red torque arm though, I think black would be better. I think a few red accents here and there would have a better overall effect. The red decals look nice, a black seat with red piping would look really good I reckon. Not a huge fan of rim tape generally but red rim tape might do the trick here, tis cheap to do which is a bonus. Wouldn't overdo the red now - the red frame is the statement piece - you just want a bit of red here and there to compliment it, and make the bike cohesive as it were.

Title: Re: Third times the charm?
Post by: Fuzzy on 20 January 2014, 03:20:56 pm
http://www.ducati.ms/forums/attachments/hypermotard/33921d1215053761-black-body-red-frame-img_8131.jpg (http://www.ducati.ms/forums/attachments/hypermotard/33921d1215053761-black-body-red-frame-img_8131.jpg)

I think this black hypermotard is making it's red frame work and notice how little red there is apart from the frame. However, the little red details add up and I think the red Ducati logo and rim tape alone go a long to create a pleasing effect.

Don't overdo it because it's not easy to get right!
Title: Re: Third times the charm?
Post by: wickedmonkey on 20 January 2014, 04:20:28 pm
I'm with fuzzy on this. A few red touches including rims and it'll look fine.
Title: Re: Third times the charm?
Post by: Dead Eye on 20 January 2014, 04:55:26 pm
+1 on the Red Rim Tape - should offset everything nicely

Not keen on the red seat, but as suggested, black seat with red piping would probably work quite well :)
Title: Re: Third times the charm?
Post by: Ruby Racing on 20 January 2014, 05:41:25 pm
Keep the frame that way, definitely not worth the hassle stripping the bike down again.

Whenever I do anything to my bike, I aim to make it look like something that could have come out the factory that way.

The red frame looks good to me and I think it has potential to look fantastic. Don't like the red torque arm though, I think black would be better. I think a few red accents here and there would have a better overall effect. The red decals look nice, a black seat with red piping would look really good I reckon. Not a huge fan of rim tape generally but red rim tape might do the trick here, tis cheap to do which is a bonus. Wouldn't overdo the red now - the red frame is the statement piece - you just want a bit of red here and there to compliment it, and make the bike cohesive as it were.


Agree with all your comments Fuzzy. Keep the red as accents, not loads of it, in yer face! The thing that stands out to me is the blue spot callipers. The blue needs to be gone. Don't they come in silver spot too? I think silver would work. Failing that black.
Title: Re: Third times the charm?
Post by: Paul Kent on 20 January 2014, 08:02:11 pm
Red rim tape and change the colour of the blue spots and i think its done
Title: Re: Third times the charm?
Post by: reillypadraig on 20 January 2014, 08:27:04 pm
Thanks for all the replies guys, the red rim tape is probably the way to go, will keep yas updated

Oh got the headlight mod done today... 10min job, bought pre-wired 3pin light plug from halfords, €4. Straight connectors on all and done and dusted
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/01/21/u6apemad.jpg)

Well chuffed with extra bit of light!
Title: Re: Third times the charm?
Post by: fazersharp on 20 January 2014, 09:19:08 pm
I put an in-line fuse in mine so I can whip it out once a year to convert back to normal for the MOT
Title: Re: Third times the charm?
Post by: darrsi on 20 January 2014, 09:23:00 pm
I put an in-line fuse in mine so I can whip it out once a year to convert back to normal for the MOT

I've never removed anything for an MOT, always passed.
Title: Re: Third times the charm?
Post by: fazersharp on 20 January 2014, 10:04:06 pm
Yeh I know that is mostly the case, but thats just me wot im like. Its all about the beam angle/spread on diped not being right with both sides on- thats if they shine it on a wall chart
Title: Re: Third times the charm?
Post by: darrsi on 20 January 2014, 10:22:47 pm
Yeh I know that is mostly the case, but thats just me wot im like. Its all about the beam angle/spread on diped not being right with both sides on- thats if they shine it on a wall chart

You can do that yourself, the trick is adjusting it at night against a flat wall, as the beam's a bit ropey it's obviously much easier to make out.
Title: Re: Third times the charm?
Post by: wickedmonkey on 21 January 2014, 08:20:20 am
Is that the dual dipped headlight mod?
Title: Re: Third times the charm?
Post by: darrsi on 21 January 2014, 08:52:47 am
Is that the dual dipped headlight mod?


As in having two lights on instead of just the one.
Title: Re: Third times the charm?
Post by: reillypadraig on 21 January 2014, 10:08:34 am
That's the 1, easy, just that and to top pin goes to the green wire coming from the left handlebar in the blue connector in the box under the tank, that's basically it, green wire does nothing there. Look at it next time Ur under the tank, 6 wires go to the connection and 5 leave it,
Title: Re: Third times the charm?
Post by: Mattsplat on 21 January 2014, 10:31:59 am
The thing that stands out to me is the blue spot callipers. The blue needs to be gone. Don't they come in silver spot too? I think silver would work. Failing that black.


Get your blue spots adonised using this tool to remove them  :)
http://www.billetbikebits.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=82 (http://www.billetbikebits.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=82)
Title: Re: Third times the charm?
Post by: fazersharp on 21 January 2014, 11:34:41 am
Its been so long about 8 years since I did the mod from the old forum ive forgotten how it was - is it that out of the factory to the uk both sides have a dual filament bulb and on diped, only one filament on one bulb is used. And was it that the other diped filament was never used, and then on full beam was it both sides full filament was used.
And is it that the factory lit one was the nearside so it lit the kerb on the left which meant that when you wired the other side (driver side if a car) it would point to the right as if in europe, meaning that it was now in the face of the on comming trafic. Ergo the need to fit an inline fuse which is a bayonet spring load so you can whip it out to correct your beam for the MOT
Title: Re: Third times the charm?
Post by: darrsi on 21 January 2014, 12:52:42 pm
Its been so long about 8 years since I did the mod from the old forum ive forgotten how it was - is it that out of the factory to the uk both sides have a dual filament bulb and on diped, only one filament on one bulb is used. And was it that the other diped filament was never used, and then on full beam was it both sides full filament was used.
And is it that the factory lit one was the nearside so it lit the kerb on the left which meant that when you wired the other side (driver side if a car) it would point to the right as if in europe, meaning that it was now in the face of the on comming trafic. Ergo the need to fit an inline fuse which is a bayonet spring load so you can whip it out to correct your beam for the MOT


What?  :lol


H1 was main beam dipped.
H4 only used the high beam.
With the mod they are both on low beam, with the high beam still there if needed.
But you should know all this if  you've had it done?


If anything is pointing the wrong way then it's either adjusted wrong or you have the Euro light unit.
Title: Third times the charm?
Post by: reillypadraig on 21 January 2014, 01:15:15 pm
Eh? Haven't a clue, it works, better light, anyway don't mind if it's point wrong way, traffic will see me better, anyway no mot for bikes in Ireland... Whay!!!!!!

No inline fuses needed, can do if u want but not nessisary.

Darrsi, think u explained this fuse thing before in some other thread
Title: Re: Third times the charm?
Post by: darrsi on 21 January 2014, 01:28:14 pm
Eh? Haven't a clue, it works, better light, anyway don't mind if it's point wrong way, traffic will see me better, anyway no mot for bikes in Ireland... Whay!!!!!!

No inline fuses needed, can do if u want but not nessisary.

Darrsi, think u explained this fuse thing before in some other thread


Did i ?
Was a while ago now.  :)
Title: Re: Third times the charm?
Post by: fazersharp on 21 January 2014, 01:30:55 pm
Quote
H1 was main beam dipped.
H4 only used the high beam.
With the mod they are both on low beam, with the high beam still there if needed.
But you should know all this if  you've had it done?

If anything is pointing the wrong way then it's either adjusted wrong or you have the Euro light unit.
    Told you its been so long ive forgot what was what, I took it that the standard fairing out of the factory would be nearside point to the left kerb side for the uk and the bulb on the right off. But this light (right hand one) is fitted for left hand drive countries which for them would be wired on and point to their kerb. So that when we wire it to be on- it is then pointing at our UK on comming traffic, so that was the forum mod to fit an in-line fuse to quickly convert back to factory speck for the mot beam angle test. 
Title: Re: Third times the charm?
Post by: redthunder on 21 January 2014, 03:48:45 pm
I'm a bit late to the party but here is what I would do with it.


(http://i.imgur.com/mpBCkKT.jpg)


Spray the forks black and give the downpipes a rub and coat of black paint (high temp resistant, so a bbq paint would do it)


Some red rim tape on that would look the job!!
Title: Re: Third times the charm?
Post by: darrsi on 21 January 2014, 04:14:39 pm
No, no, no, no........please stop, it just looks wrong.
Sorry reillypadraig but you and me both know it doesn't quite work does it, no matter how much people try and sugar coat it (no pun intended).
Title: Re: Third times the charm?
Post by: johna6968 on 21 January 2014, 05:08:17 pm
I kind of like the red because its different :) .. Avoid the temptation paint over it black with rattle cans as wont be long before every little chip n scratch will be highlighted with the powdercoated red underneath..  :\
Title: Re: Third times the charm?
Post by: noggythenog on 21 January 2014, 05:30:05 pm
My thought on this is that it is the front fairing that makes it not work.


Without the front fairing you would see the complete frame & to the eye it would then work but because the fairing brakes the frame it doesnt look quite right.


I dont think the additions have made any difference to that.


I would either leave as is & enjoy the bike or i would or get a damaged fairing & cut away the sides so the frame is completely visible but the second option is allot of arsing about.
Title: Re: Third times the charm?
Post by: darrsi on 21 January 2014, 06:24:59 pm
My thought on this is that it is the front fairing that makes it not work.


Without the front fairing you would see the complete frame & to the eye it would then work but because the fairing brakes the frame it doesnt look quite right.


I dont think the additions have made any difference to that.


I would either leave as is & enjoy the bike or i would or get a damaged fairing & cut away the sides so the frame is completely visible but the second option is allot of arsing about.


And there was me thinking you were gonna suggest a tartan seat and front mudguard.  :lol [size=78%] [/size]
Title: Re: Third times the charm?
Post by: stevierst on 21 January 2014, 07:13:26 pm
Sorry bud, but it just doesn't work for me. Every credit for trying it though.