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General => General => Topic started by: Fazerider on 09 January 2014, 01:27:50 pm
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I was late for work, it was a beautiful sunny morning, there was very light traffic and the first dry roads my BT023s have seen since fitting a thousand miles ago, but I didn't feel any of those excuses were going to have much effect on the two nice gents from the Met who stopped me on the A316 this morning.
Phrases such as "we couldn't get a lock on you over the previous flyover" make me think they were being kind and I was lucky to get away with 3 points and a £100 fine.
So, does anyone have any good techniques for getting out of a speeding habit?
This is a journey I've done thousands of times. I know the road like the back of my hand and it's difficult to stay focussed on observing the limit. It's just too easy to maintain motorway speeds where the M3 turns into the 50mph (but still 3 lanes wide) A316. This morning's experience will slow me down for a few months, but know that eventually I'll focus on the speedometer less. I want to keep to within shouting distance of the limit as a habit.
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Did they get a lock on you? Did they caution you and issue a fixed penalty notice or tell you they would be reporting you? If they never managed to get a lock on you they have no proof you were speeding or what speed you were actually doing. They can't go to court and say something like, "Well Mr Magistrate sir, we don't actually know what speed he was doing but it was too fast", they've got to have corroborating evidence.
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Oh yes. :o
They said I was going faster earlier but got a lock over the next flyover.
1 mph short of a summons apparently... so £100, three points and I consider myself lucky.
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If you normally wear ear plugs, take them out. If not, get a noisy helmet. It will slow you down as the noise makes you think your going faster than you are.
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Just start commuting like this. If you break the speed limit then I would be surprised! :lol
Crazy stunt: Chinese man rides scooter standing, facing backwards, takes phone call (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxJOyBVILQw#ws)
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Just think of the insurance renewal cost if you were to lose your licence. The 316 isn't a place to be hammering it in my opinion, there are always police on it! Too easy picking for people as they come off the motorway. Also they keep lowering the speed limit and moving it out of town.
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The 316 isn't a place to be hammering it in my opinion,
I agree, I use that section regularly and you really want to ease up coming off the M3.
I think you were asking for a nick to be honest.
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There's no argument from me... the ticket was well deserved.
Quite apart from the police (though I rarely encounter them at the time I travel in late mornings) there is the Dairy Crest site on the left which has the odd milk float struggling along at 15 mph and last month a broken-down vehicle was stranded in the right hand lane on the right hand bend. So I can't quibble about it being a 50 mph zone despite it being 3 lanes wide and a better surface than most of the M3.
I know while it's fresh in my mind I'll ride sensibly there, I'm just wondering how to avoid getting back into bad habits.
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Lose the ear plugs and take the muffler out of your can. Noise helps remind you of speed.
Also think about changing up a bike at some point...sounds crazy? When I moved from the Fazer6 to the R1 I found that while I would have moments of sheer madness of course, most of the time I was riding slower than I would usually on the Faz. I think that once you have reached the point that you can outride the bike you take it for granted...yet even a year after owning the R1 I was still sh*t scared that it could bite me at any moment without notice.
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Hmm.. don't fancy riding without earplugs, I do 20-odd miles on the motorway on my commute and don't want to lose my hearing sooner than is already happening.
Taking the baffle out of the exhaust might work though. I often get home quite late at night so the neighbours may not be pleased, but it could be worth a try.
Are there any satnavs that actually know the speed limits of the roads?
There are plenty that include or can add speed camera warnings, but they only know the speed limit at that particular location... what I'd like is a warning that I'm getting close to the "summons" speed wherever I am, not just at certain spots.
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Are there any satnavs that actually know the speed limits of the roads?
There are plenty that include or can add speed camera warnings, but they only know the speed limit at that particular location... what I'd like is a warning that I'm getting close to the "summons" speed wherever I am, not just at certain spots.
If you are not looking at the speedo to tell your speed would you look at a sat nav. Bit of a no brainer there I think.
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If you are not looking at the speedo to tell your speed would you look at a sat nav. Bit of a no brainer there I think.
I was thinking more along the lines of an audible warning. :lol
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Some of the garmins do - I don't know which specifically though, other than the rest badged one that bmw sell, sorry (and because that's got bmw on the box, it's silly money)
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Audible warning?...................oh you mean nagging..........just carry the wife on the back :lol
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ye sat navs have an audible warning and you can set it to say 5 mph over the speed limit it beeps when say on 50 road 55 is reached or what i do in the car is use the rev counter to keep to speed limit as keeping car to 1800 - 2000 rpm keeps me nicely there plus saves loads on juice and i focus on the savings, driving my normal way in my mazda 6 diesel compared to the 1800 rpm way no brainer extra 105 miles to a full tank, although i have never tried it on the bike :rollin :rollin
would i be able to resisit the temptation :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes
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Thanks Rich and Keith, I'll check the current satnavs out.
I had a bit of a love/hate relationship with the Garmin I bought 5 years ago in the US. It's frustratingly slow to respond to commands and occasionally gets a route tied in a knot and then it feels a bit like the old joke about asking the Irishman how to get somewhere and he replies "Well, if I were you I wouldn't start from here".
Still, 5 years is a long time in the electronics industry, the things must have improved.
First thing to do though, is go down to my local plod shop and hand over my nice old paper licence. :'(
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Are there any satnavs that actually know the speed limits of the roads?
Yes, my TomTom Rider v2 is set that if you go over the limit you get a warning beep, although sometimes their maps aren't as up to date as they might be, so you still need to keep an eye on the limit signs (which, of course, you should be doing anyway!)
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What's 1 mph short of summons, 99mph?
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What's 1 mph short of summons, 99mph?
Depends on where you are in the country, different county's have different tolerances. Normally it's 10%+2 or 3 for prosecution, but that's for a ticket.
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30 mph over the limit and your looking at a ban ,thats straight from a clerk of the court
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From the CPS website:
Speed limit: 20 mph
ACPO charging threshold: 24 mph
Summons: 35 mph
Speed limit: 30 mph
ACPO charging threshold: 35 mph
Summons: 50 mph
Speed limit: 40 mph
ACPO charging threshold: 46 mph
Summons: 66 mph
Speed limit: 50 mph
ACPO charging threshold: 57 mph
Summons: 76 mph
Speed limit: 60 mph
ACPO charging threshold: 68 mph
Summons: 86 mph
Speed limit: 70 mph
ACPO charging threshold: 79 mph
Summons: 96 mph
The officers who pulled me over chose to regard the number in the "Summons" column as still being in the fixed penalty zone.
I think the slightest argument or a hint of stroppiness from me would have resulted in a different interpretation... possibly they had more than one reading available from the Truvelo. I'm in no doubt they were very decent guys who were being as lenient as they could.
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Don't fail the "attitude test". Be polite, you have nothing to lose, but everything to gain! (like a clean licence) ;D;D;D
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I binned my bike on the way to work a couple of years ago, that soon put the brakes on a bit.
Now commuting means riding sensibly and not taking the piss as 10 mins late to work it fuck all when you consider what can happen.
I get my jollies at the weekend away from traffic and other hazards! (safely, of course ;) )
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Try some advanced rider training, religious observation of the speed limit might help with your speed awareness
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Try some advanced rider training, religious observation of the speed limit might help with your speed awareness
It saves you quite a bit on fuel too!
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No Helmet Tut Tut
Just start commuting like this. If you break the speed limit then I would be surprised! :lol
Crazy stunt: Chinese man rides scooter standing, facing backwards, takes phone call ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxJOyBVILQw#ws[/url])
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Try some advanced rider training, religious observation of the speed limit might help with your speed awareness
It saves you quite a bit on fuel too!
Speed limits can be frustratingly slow though. Especially the 50mph on 3 lane roads
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Try some advanced rider training, religious observation of the speed limit might help with your speed awareness
It saves you quite a bit on fuel too!
Speed limits can be frustratingly slow though. Especially the 50mph on 3 lane roads
Yeah they usually are frustrating but if that's the limit then it's your decision if you want to stick to it. If you're worried about points your licence then it's probably best to get into a habit of keeping an eye on your speed. Sticking to the limit for a while helps you do this as you are continually checking your speed.
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You could sort yourself more than one route to work on different roads so you don't slip into auto pilot and drift over the limit
Instead of buying a full satnav unit, you might be able to find a smartphone app that gives you alerts
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surely this incident will now make you check both your speed and the speed limit. more than before ?
We shouldnt need an audible warning . Look at it another way , would you get an audible warning about a ped about to walk in front of you , a car about to pull out.
Not being parsimonious, but to survive and ride we have to be ultra aware of what we are doing on a bike all the time.
Its a shock to get a ticket , and when its happened to me, initially you think " why me".... but later on you accept that you just have to be whiter than white to keep a clean licence.I dont think you can just casually speed these days with impunity, my own thought is you have to know and pick yer roads to ride as such.
I feel for folks commuting cos there must be many similar roads where it is all too easy to get caught.
I dont agree that riding a faster bike will help you slow down !...you need a bike which needs a bit more effort to make speed, so you have to make some conscious effort in getting there.
My fazer thou is a bugger for easily drifting up in speed in any gear at almost any road speeds. Constant monitoring and speed awareness is required. :\
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Are there any satnavs that actually know the speed limits of the roads?
There are plenty that include or can add speed camera warnings, but they only know the speed limit at that particular location... what I'd like is a warning that I'm getting close to the "summons" speed wherever I am, not just at certain spots.
CoPilot on iPhone will do this. But of course you have the problem of mounting it. But not impossible.
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This morning's commute was done at speeds that wouldn't have raised a copper's eyebrow... and god, it was dull. Those swoopy bits of flyover were much more enjoyable when tackled 20 mph faster. :lol
Still, it has to become a habit, the alternative routes are either horrible (A30) or add too many miles (M3/M25/ M4 or A40).
Oddly, I've always managed to avoid speeding past the Gatso by the Shell garage... even when huge chunks of the journey have been done on "autopilot" and I've not been conscious of having slowed for the camera, I've done it automatically. So it must be possible to reprogram my brain that the "fast" bit of A316 is a no-fun zone.
It'd be nice to have an audible reminder as a back-up though.
Thanks DryRob/msmudge: I'd forgotten there was a copy of CoPilot on my iPhone3, I never checked out its capabilities as it doesn't work well enough to be useful (possibly a duff connection to the internal antenna). It did get a location for my back garden once, but it took half an hour and has never known where it is since. Maybe a new phone is the best solution. Mounting shouldn't be a problem as I don't need to be able to see it, it can stay in my pocket (provided it can get a signal there).
pitternator: I agree that a faster bike is no solution! Whether it's one that has me scared of unintended powerslides and wheelies or something that feels as relaxed and comfortable at 140 as the FZS600 does at 80... it's going to lose my licence for me (or worse).
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There's only one way outta this Fazerider.
You're gonna have to swap your Fazer for CristoT's Pug 106 :eek
You'll struggle to hit the speed limit :D
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Definitely not. :rollin
I already have a slow car. Also, I've seen the pictures of what ChristoT does to bikes... wouldn't sentence my beloved Fazer to that fate. :lol
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You were speeding on the way TO work. Are you mad or do you work in a strip club?
As for speeding in general. What is there in town worth speeding for?, if you can do over a ton then you need to find a real road! and if its popular with motorcyclists its also popular with the police
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There's only one way outta this Fazerider.
You're gonna have to swap your Fazer for CristoT's Pug 106 :eek
You'll struggle to hit the speed limit :D
Foc off! It is actually nice to drive! No :faz, but it will happily do speed limit +. ;)
Definitely not. :rollin
I already have a slow car. Also, I've seen the pictures of what ChristoT does to bikes... wouldn't sentence my beloved Fazer to that fate. :lol
Foc off ya bastard! :P
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My advice for what its worth would be to leave home 5-10 minutes earlier. I have a 15 minute commute but generally leave about 40 minutes before my shift starts, allows for anything unexpected on the way and i'm never rushing or chasing the clock. If I need petrol or want to check the tyre pressure I have time to do it and still have time to get changed and get a cuppa in at work before the shift starts.
If there is one thing I have learned in the 18 months i've sat on a bike it is to never be in a hurry. And it's worked well for me so far :lol
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DO NOT REMOVE YOUR EARPLUGS...............your hearing is far too important to foc up
"I think that once you have reached the point that you can outride the bike".........unless your Rossi then you'll never outride a 600 as the bike will do anything you ask of it.