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Bikes, Hints'n'Tips => FZS600 Fazer => Topic started by: spencer_foxwell on 08 January 2014, 04:01:29 pm
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Not quite finished because I need to get the old bar mounts off but lack a good enough spanner to do it without lunching the nut and I need to get shorter cabling and lines. The black mounts either side of the headlight are for a screen which I took off for this but it will probably go back on. :)
Oh and I have some small round bar end mirrors to fit but ran out of time before it started raining :(
(http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e113/spencer_foxwell/IMAG0381_zps1cac3786.jpg) (http://s38.photobucket.com/user/spencer_foxwell/media/IMAG0381_zps1cac3786.jpg.html)
(http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e113/spencer_foxwell/IMAG0382_zpse711b3eb.jpg) (http://s38.photobucket.com/user/spencer_foxwell/media/IMAG0382_zpse711b3eb.jpg.html)
(http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e113/spencer_foxwell/IMAG0386_zps23a2e7cb.jpg) (http://s38.photobucket.com/user/spencer_foxwell/media/IMAG0386_zps23a2e7cb.jpg.html)
Thoughts? I've never ridden a sport bike before but I am now getting the achy wrists, will I get used to that?
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Looks alright to me - quite like the old cafe style bikes!
Depends how old/fit/in good nick your wrists are for the comfort thing! It's a different riding style, you can't just sit there, you really need to be able to hold your weight up with your legs and core to take the weight off your wrists. Main thing I've noticed about doing this kind of mod though is that generally speaking, upright bikes that have clipons fitted generaly have more extreme riding positions than the sports bikes themselves, as the rest of the bike wasn't designed for such a position! (Seat, stretch to bars, footpeg positioning etc)
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Looks alright to me - quite like the old cafe style bikes!
Depends how old/fit/in good nick your wrists are for the comfort thing! It's a different riding style, you can't just sit there, you really need to be able to hold your weight up with your legs and core to take the weight off your wrists. Main thing I've noticed about doing this kind of mod though is that generally speaking, upright bikes that have clipons fitted generaly have more extreme riding positions than the sports bikes themselves, as the rest of the bike wasn't designed for such a position! (Seat, stretch to bars, footpeg positioning etc)
Agreed, the footpegs alone will be further forward than they should be for a lower riding postion.
Only time will tell with the wrists, any new riding position can give a few aches and pains for a while as you're using different muscles.
I've lost count of the amount of passengers who've got off the back of my bike with cramp because they've been tensing up in an unfamiliar position.
I personally moved away from dropped bars because of wrist pain, and lack of head movement with a padded jacket on, but each to their own.
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I had heard that about the pegs but didn't notice anything foo dodgy there. Just need to get used to the wrist ache D:
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If your swapping the yoke over, I'll take your old fazer yoke and risers off your hands for a few sheckles. Pm me if you decide to do it buddy.
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My ocd would be runnin riot with that higher brake lever than clutch... :lol
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Haha you're right there mate, I forgot to tighten the brake lever for my test ride :groan and only noticed when I put the bike away to bed lol
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Nice. Love the look of it naked and I think the bars really suit it. It reminds me of an old cafe racer. As for comfort, let us know how it goes!
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Thank you :)
I rode it again today and the wrist ache was less already due to more gripping the tank with my knees I think.
It's changed slightly now again. here it is as it stands... (managed to get the bar risers off and added some mirrors.)
What do you think it needs other than new hoses and cables?
(http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e113/spencer_foxwell/IMAG0390_zps6eb26e3e.jpg) (http://s38.photobucket.com/user/spencer_foxwell/media/IMAG0390_zps6eb26e3e.jpg.html)
(http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e113/spencer_foxwell/IMAG0391_zpsbee06da9.jpg) (http://s38.photobucket.com/user/spencer_foxwell/media/IMAG0391_zpsbee06da9.jpg.html)
Cheers :)
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Thank you :)
I rode it again today and the wrist ache was less already due to more gripping the tank with my knees I think.
It's changed slightly now again. here it is as it stands... (managed to get the bar risers off and added some mirrors.)
What do you think it needs other than new hoses and cables?
([url]http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e113/spencer_foxwell/IMAG0390_zps6eb26e3e.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://s38.photobucket.com/user/spencer_foxwell/media/IMAG0390_zps6eb26e3e.jpg.html[/url])
([url]http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e113/spencer_foxwell/IMAG0391_zpsbee06da9.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://s38.photobucket.com/user/spencer_foxwell/media/IMAG0391_zpsbee06da9.jpg.html[/url])
Cheers :)
It just needs a scantily clad lady straddling the seat. :lol
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Err... I'll see what I can do :p
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Could I please ask what clocks they are, look like ones from an XJR 1300? How easy was it to fit them? Can someone explain what the whole thing is about taking the fazer clocks off as well and it causing the bike to run "wrong". The main thing holding me back from doing something similar to this is the fact the fazer clocks don't quite look right naked and the potential cost. Looks cool anyway I would like to do the same but without the clip ons I would just have wide fat bars in the standard place.
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This is a naked Fazer anyway so the clocks are like this as standard. You have a kind of block where all the dials are on one 'blob' right?
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Ah I just noticed its a 400 not a 600. Well it looks cool anyway! Yeah the 600 clocks are in a big kind of triangular blob shape. Really good clocks but if you take the fairing off they don't look right to which people say "why would you take the fairing off anyway?". I don't mid the fairing though tbh, hated it at first but have grown to like it now and its signature look.
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This is a naked Fazer anyway so the clocks are like this as standard. You have a kind of block where all the dials are on one 'blob' right?
It looks good but it's not standard. The 600 is a copy of the 400 with a bigger engine for the european market. There was no naked version as far as I can see
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Are you sure? Massive news to me :o
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Are you sure? Massive news to me :o
You could do some googling and see if you can find a naked one but all the ones I've seen had the standard fairing
http://www.google.co.jp/search?q=fz400+4yr&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=bvfPUsmaNa6y7AaEkYGIAg&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAA&biw=320&bih=455&dpr=1 (http://www.google.co.jp/search?q=fz400+4yr&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=bvfPUsmaNa6y7AaEkYGIAg&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAA&biw=320&bih=455&dpr=1)
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Yes, I'm with His Dudeness.
I think it's possible that the clocks, lights and yoke might have come off the XJR400?
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Oh dear... I just Googled fz400 naked. I wouldn't recommend it... :'(
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I think it's possible that the clocks, lights and yoke might have come off the XJR400?
Spot on! Deffo from the XJR400
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Yes XJR 400 exactly the same as on mine.
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If I had checked the tacho gauge rather than just quickly glancing at the whole shape I would have noticed it is an xjr400, the 13 doesn't rev that high. So, next question, can an xjr 400 speedo be fitted to a fazer 600 then? The actual dials are almost the same, certainly close enough to work but I'm guessing the cables may need altering?
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Whoever converted this Fazer to a naked did a good job, easy to be fooled into thinking that it left the factory that way. Anybody notice the panels above the engine (tax disc is bolted to it)? They were clearly designed for the purpose of covering the gap in the frame which would be visible with the fairing removed.
I've never heard of or seen a factory naked FZ400 before but it does make me wonder if Yamaha offered a "naked" kit for it at some time.
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Yeah those covers attach the same way the air box covers do. Which is one reason why I am suprised it's not standard... There are lugs on the frame for them if I recall, I'll take a picture tomorrow and show it. Does the fairing attach there?
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Not sure off the top of my head, will check in the morning and let you know.
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Here are the pictures of those covers. Does the faired version have the same lugs?
(http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e113/spencer_foxwell/IMAG0399_zpsf58310fc.jpg) (http://s38.photobucket.com/user/spencer_foxwell/media/IMAG0399_zpsf58310fc.jpg.html)
(http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e113/spencer_foxwell/IMAG0401_zps7f428e07.jpg) (http://s38.photobucket.com/user/spencer_foxwell/media/IMAG0401_zps7f428e07.jpg.html)
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Just checked, and the mounting points do look different. Either somebody has done a really good job of converting it to a naked or it's some obscure factory model, quite possible as is often the case with jdm cars & bikes. No trace of it on the internet though which is strange - bit of a mystery it seems....
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Ooh I feel all special :D
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It appears to have a lot of the xjr400 front. Notice the speedo cable from the front wheel.
Any parts which start with 4HM are from the XJR400,
The front wheel and discs for the fazer 400 and 600 are the same as the XJR400
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Ah ha. I have an answer.
You have the little known 1997 FZ400L. It was a Fazer specifically marketed to learner schools - by Yamaha, so it was a factory model. As the photo below shows, it came with crash bars and a host of lights mounted front and back. These were linked to the controls which would light up to show the instructor what the rider was doing. Rare as foc, so I guess you are special :eek
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Wow amazing! :D
That also explains why I have holes behind the seat for bars rather than at the sides like everyone else :D
There are other bits n bobs then that used to hold that crash bar to the exhaust. I think I cut those off though because they were quite large.
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Cool! Check your frame number. You could have one of the earliest Fazers made!
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Always new there was an XJ400L learner special but never realised they had a Fazer 400 version. :eek
Most likely you have the only one outside Japan
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Really funny this, how will I know the number bike this is from the frame number?
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It'll say something like 4yr 0005000. So I'd presume that was the 5000 frame made. Probably best not to put up the exact number ;)
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Yeah well mentioned...It says Y4R-010***
What does it all meeeaaan Basil
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The number will be on the headstock of the frame. It's the part of the frame that the steering goes through. You might have to move the cables out of the way to see it.
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I did, that's it above minus a few digits :p
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Sweet!
I have one of the first ZX-4s ever built, we should start a club! (You know, to keep the rabble out! :lol )
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wonder what it would be worth in original state
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Must be around the 10,000th made. Its the numbers that will tell you
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What yoke and bars did you fit? Also what is the steering lock like and clearance to the tank?
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Hi mate, the yoke is standard and the bars are these...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CNC-41mm-High-Lift-Handle-bar-Clip-on-ons-for-Suzuki-GSF-400-600-Bondit-SV-650-/390626787694 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CNC-41mm-High-Lift-Handle-bar-Clip-on-ons-for-Suzuki-GSF-400-600-Bondit-SV-650-/390626787694)
I got those because they are not expensive and have a slight rise, so the position wouldn't be too extreme and the bars would be level with the yoke.
They are cheap but they are billet and seem fairly strong. Although if you buy these bars you WILL want longer bolts to tighten the stanchion clamp as they are way too short from them. I went to Allfix and got a set of 4 stainless bolts for £1.40
The lock clearance is fine as you can see in the latest picture, that is fully turned and also the steering lock is on. :)
I do not know if my standard yoke is the same as faired standard yoke. There are bolts at the front of the yoke to attach the instrument cluster. Lemme know if you would like any pictures of anything. :thumbup
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Cheers,
the 600 yoke has the pinch bolts at the front so these bars wouldn't work (the bolt and fixing would get in the way). Works pretty well for teh 400 though.
You could get some rearset plates made up with a rod to extend the gear change rod. I have this on my 600 to move pegs back (and up a bit).
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Cheers,
the 600 yoke has the pinch bolts at the front so these bars wouldn't work (the bolt and fixing would get in the way). Works pretty well for teh 400 though.
You could get some rearset plates made up with a rod to extend the gear change rod. I have this on my 600 to move pegs back (and up a bit).
The normal 400 with the fairing has the same yoke as the 600 with the bolts at the front