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General => General => Topic started by: ChristoT on 31 December 2013, 01:14:06 pm
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And now the fucker has blown up on me! The RAC guy reckons it's either a compression ring or a cylinder liner. Either way, it's bad and certainly expensive. What have I done to deserve this THIS time? :'( :'( :( :(
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Pet Shop Boys - What Have I Done To Deserve This (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wn9E5i7l-Eg#)
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Its your guardian angel stepping in ;)
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Christo, either you are your bike are cursed. it's the only relatively good explanation!
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At least you'll live longer :lol
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Sorry to hear this mate, hasn't been the best biking year for you has it :\ Hope 2014 will be better.
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At least Dazza had provided a good song, ya bastards! :lol
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Oh foc
I do feel for ya, but I refuse to believe anyone who says they managed to not spit their tea out upon seeing this latest :)
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Holy shit dude! It never rains but what it pours in the ChristoT household. Stick with it matey, it'll all come together in the end.
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Holy shit dude! It never rains but what it pours in the ChristoT household. Stick with it matey, it'll all come together in the end.
A story in one sentence :'(
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nowt to due with the bike being on its side and oil not getting to where it should?
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If the RAC man is right, then the quickest (since you need it for transport) option is to replace the cylinder barrels and pistons or replace the entire engine.
If you can source the parts, I'm sure some foccers could help with the labour and tools... though having said that, are you back in the UK yet?
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Oh foc
I do feel for ya, but I refuse to believe anyone who says they managed to not spit their tea out upon seeing this latest :)
I choked on me coffee :lol
Christo - trust me, bikes have feelings & yours has just committed suicide :lol
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Really feel for you mate, what a crappy time you're having bike-wise lately. But, it's all character building - get through it, and look back and laugh later down the road. Wishing you better luck for the new year.
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though having said that, are you back in the UK yet?
He must be, if the RAC man is looking at it?
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he's back in the uk?
Dear DVLA, please take my licence back....
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Wait, you have a licence?!
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If the RAC man is right, then the quickest (since you need it for transport) option is to replace the cylinder barrels and pistons or replace the entire engine.
If you can source the parts, I'm sure some foccers could help with the labour and tools... though having said that, are you back in the UK yet?
surely another bike would be better option. Remember along with engine repairs it still needs tyres
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I guess - it depends on cost of the parts
I have no idea if you can even pick up a spare engine for that bike nor what it would cost. It was mostly a case of getting back on the road asap instead of cost. Granted a new bike is quicker for most people, but this is Christo. He is fussy. It would take. Forever.
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And we'd have to listen to his constant deliberations, changes of mind, fretting over cost etc etc, so for focs sake, please take the quick option Christo :wink
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A mate of mine had one of these and didnt ride it for years and sold it to a racer who gladly took it off his hands to use on the track. I recon this is the best bet as they would put on slicks and sort theengine anyway.
EDIT --- or was in zxr 400 my mate had
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Christo, you should write a foccing book!!! ;)
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Christo, you should write a foccing book!!! ;)
It would get too repetitive!
My parents have offered to lend me £1200 for a new Skyjet 125, with 3 years warranty, but I worry about reliability. And size, as it's based off the tiny CBR125...
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Christo, you should write a foccing book!!! ;)
It would get too repetitive!
My parents have offered to lend me £1200 for a new Skyjet 125, with 3 years warranty, but I worry about reliability. And size, as it's based off the tiny CBR125...
why that bike specifically? surely for £1200 there are better options?
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Christo, you should write a foccing book!!! ;)
It would get too repetitive!
My parents have offered to lend me £1200 for a new Skyjet 125, with 3 years warranty, but I worry about reliability. And size, as it's based off the tiny CBR125...
What's insurance on ti going to be? For £1200 you could buy a pretty decent bike straight off!
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Christo, you should write a foccing book!!! ;)
It would get too repetitive!
My parents have offered to lend me £1200 for a new Skyjet 125, with 3 years warranty, but I worry about reliability. And size, as it's based off the tiny CBR125...
What's insurance on ti going to be? For £1200 you could buy a pretty decent bike straight off!
Like an FZS600 :lol
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Christo, you should write a foccing book!!! ;)
It would get too repetitive!
My parents have offered to lend me £1200 for a new Skyjet 125, with 3 years warranty, but I worry about reliability. And size, as it's based off the tiny CBR125...
What's insurance on ti going to be? For £1200 you could buy a pretty decent bike straight off!
Like an FZS600 :lol
Fuck off, you lot, you know I can't afford insurance on another Fazer! :'(
My parents found a site selling the Skyjet w/ 3 yrs warranty and 48hr delivery for £1200. And they labour under the assumption that new: instantly reliable.
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Christo, you should write a foccing book!!! ;)
It would get too repetitive!
My parents have offered to lend me £1200 for a new Skyjet 125, with 3 years warranty, but I worry about reliability. And size, as it's based off the tiny CBR125...
What's insurance on ti going to be? For £1200 you could buy a pretty decent bike straight off!
Like an FZS600 :lol
Fuck off, you lot, you know I can't afford insurance on another Fazer! :'(
My parents found a site selling the Skyjet w/ 3 yrs warranty and 48hr delivery for £1200. And they labour under the assumption that new: instantly reliable.
Oh you mean like the majority of the human race.
Personally I wouldn't look a gift horse in the mouth. especially not in your situation and with 3yrs warranty reliability won't be your concern. Atleast financially.
Although reading this http://www.visordown.com/forum/motorcycle-reviews-and-advice/skyjet-rr7-125cc/405095.html (http://www.visordown.com/forum/motorcycle-reviews-and-advice/skyjet-rr7-125cc/405095.html) I take your point and perhaps another consideration would be your height and thus comfort
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then again..warranty doesnt cover accident damage :lol
(sorry Christo :o)
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Holy c r*p I googled it and found this
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http://youtu.be/KzbcIgfwK5I (http://youtu.be/KzbcIgfwK5I)
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You bought a 90's kawa, that's what you did :evil . And you are going to get a chinese thing now? That will just add another episode.
Kymco bikes (taiwanese) are still cheaper than japanese but plenty reliable. I used to have a Zing 125 (a chopper bike). Strong and fast as japanese ones.
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I'm convinced by that utube man such a trustworthy voice and love his name description of a Flung Poo and a Chew Fat
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I know nothing about Chinese bikes but this video was made 2 years ago so some things might of changed. i think Bike magazine bought a Kawasuki or some such bike last tear and ran it for a year. I think if i bought one new i would fully service it myself, not so much the oil but take off and lube as much as possible. Look for reviews on these and other Chinese machines and try to buy the best you can. Good luck mate.
Mickey
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I have a bike you can hire but my daughter says that if you do take up the offer it comes with the condition that you fit stabalisers.
(http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s85/adthebad/BMX2_zps140d4148.jpg) (http://s150.photobucket.com/user/adthebad/media/BMX2_zps140d4148.jpg.html)
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Buy an insurance write off and get them to drop it off beside a roundabout of your choice. It'll save you time :rollin
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Warranties are completely worthless, not forgetting the vast majority of mechanics will not touch Chinese bikes at all apart from changing tyres!
Do not, under any circumstances buy a Chinese bike, they are still not good enough!
Get a cool xj400, or cb400 (baby muscle bikes!)
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Warranties are completely worthless, not forgetting the vast majority of mechanics will not touch Chinese bikes at all apart from changing tyres!
Do not, under any circumstances buy a Chinese bike, they are still not good enough!
Get a cool xj400, or cb400 (baby muscle bikes!)
Absolutely agree about Chinese bikes. Don't do it! XJ400 or CB400 are just going to be physically way too small though. Racking my brains for a decent alternative, but can't come up with anything. I would agree that a trailie type bike would be best, but what good ones are there at reasonable money? XL250 keeps springing to mind, but few and far between, and daft prices when a good one comes up. I just so understand how frustrating this must be for you.
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surely a kwak ER5 is a good alternative? not sure on insurance though, going up to the 500cc?
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I had an ER-5 for 2 years. 6'4". Even toured in France on it.
Except for the drum rear brake, I would happily re-live that time.
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Try a 400 fazer? Same size as the 600 but surely cheaper to insure etc.
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Similar to the ER5, the GPZ500 is a cracker too. Couldn't have cost much to insure as I had a black '01 in my teens. Don't recall it being a physically small bike either
Edit: Just saw Fizzy suggested the same, great minds think a like or summat like that
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Just to set the record straight Hyosung are actually a Korean make and not Chinese.
I've had one of these for the last four years. It's been used nearly every day since I bought it and the only things I've replaced have been a clutch cable and a battery.
The parent company actually make a lot of bike parts for Suzuki.
(http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s85/adthebad/Kosmics%20bikes/XRX1251072x712.jpg) (http://s150.photobucket.com/user/adthebad/media/Kosmics%20bikes/XRX1251072x712.jpg.html)
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Looks good Kosmic, looking very clean!
Hyosung are highly regarded as a mid-range brand in some other markets, I remember people were raving about them when I visited the Middle East.
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http://www.gumtree.com/p/cars-vans-motorbikes/yamaha-ttr-250/1042311153 (http://www.gumtree.com/p/cars-vans-motorbikes/yamaha-ttr-250/1042311153)
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Just to set the record straight Hyosung are actually a Korean make and not Chinese.
I've had one of these for the last four years. It's been used nearly every day since I bought it and the only things I've replaced have been a clutch cable and a battery.
The parent company actually make a lot of bike parts for Suzuki.
([url]http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s85/adthebad/Kosmics%20bikes/XRX1251072x712.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://s150.photobucket.com/user/adthebad/media/Kosmics%20bikes/XRX1251072x712.jpg.html[/url])
What cc is it Kosmic? Do they do something around 4/500 cc like that?
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[url]http://www.gumtree.com/p/cars-vans-motorbikes/yamaha-ttr-250/1042311153[/url] ([url]http://www.gumtree.com/p/cars-vans-motorbikes/yamaha-ttr-250/1042311153[/url])
That ad sayswould benefit with a couple of tyres
I've read a thread somewhere about a crashed bike with crap tyres............I actually had a TTR250 for a few years for green laning, a very good bike for that until the start motor clutch went and knackered the crankcase, I should have fixed it at the first sign of something going wrong. The non Japanese Asians wont be making crap bikes for years to come, at some point they will start improving, its just a case of when.
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I had a Chinese 50cc supermoto that I owned from new for about 20 months. I really liked it because it was my first ever bike and I was finally on the road which I had been waiting for for years but looking back it wasn't well built at all. I really really looked after it too. Main problems I had were :
Spark plug very cheap quality, very exposed and HT leads and cap were extremely poor so wouldn't run in the rain.
Serious pitting on forks, luckily not in travel area even though I cleaned it very often.
Lots of rust, finish was very poor on swing arm and shock. I hadn't discovered ACF 50 then though.
Suspension looked beefy but was all for show and rear shock linkages weren't greased.
Can't remember seeing any grease anywhere in fact
Throttle Cable Snapped
Nylon tyres were finished after a couple of thousand miles
Exhaust was rotting to pieces before my eyes even worse than OEM fazer headers.
Indicators would play up although electrics were mostly reliable.
Gear Selector fell off, luckily in my driveway just as I was leaving
Chain was stretched and worn and rear sprocket was finished in about 5000 miles even with maintenance.
Speedo cable snapped.
Front disc rusted and warped somehow which made front end judder during braking.
There were probably more issues, to be fair though I rode it to 6th form, about 5 miles from my house, almost every day in all weather for nearly 2 years and it only broke down properly once when the throttle cable snapped. I did honestly love it, things like the awful HT leads etc can be swapped for decent Japanese ones and sprayed in stuff to keep water off. The thing is, I would hate to put it through its MOT after the 3 year exemplary period because I doubt it would pass and I think the deterioration from the time I sold it to it reaching 3 years old would have been really bad. If you are getting it bought for you though, definitely worth consideration. Definitely get a skilled mechanically able mate to thoroughly check everything over for you though, and treat it very gently especially the run in period because my engine was sound even after a fair few miles whereas a mate who bought the same bike ragged his everywhere and de-restricted his and it sounded terrible and was barely quicker than mine. You will need patience though because they are SLOW.
Then again, wouldn't it just be better to repair your Kawasaki and put some decent tyres on it? Think everyone is getting a bit off topic suggesting 500 twins and trialies etc that he has already stated he isn't interested in, don't fit him physically or can be insured on the cheap.
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If he's going to have to get the engine sorted and new tyres, it'd probably just be cheaper to pick up something like a GS500 though!
Cheap insurance, bulletproof engine (which he'll need I think!) and to be honest fit wise he might have to just lump it - I can't see a 400CC sports bike as having been that good anyway for a tall chap, as most as too small for me and I'm 5 10 and about 10 stone!
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Hi Nick
The bike pictured is a 125cc. They used to be imported by EP Barrus who we are gardening machinery dealers for where I work.
They are now imported by these people.
http://startright.co.uk/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=440 (http://startright.co.uk/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=440)
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Ok...a new year and time to sort crashto out :rolleyes....you looked at the bike yet......is it seized.does it run.is it in a thousand bit scattered down the road ?......got to be worth looking at and see if its repairable.....if its just rings thats fairly straight forward, most exsensive bit will probs be the gasket set......dont know the model but are you sure it has cylinder liners ?.......give us a bit more info inbetween us taking the piss we might be able to help you........happy new year matey, its got to be better than the last one ;)
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Just to set the record straight...
The Kwaka is at a garage, hopefully being looked at tomorrow.
I wanted a Fazer 4, but couldn't find one in time.
I am skint. As in zero money.
My parents have offered to lend me money for a new bike, BUT, it must be new, have a warranty, and be under £1500.
My hands are tied... :(
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Seems a pretty obtuse attitude to demand it be new. Why not even buy something second hand with a third party warranty on it? Admittedly this would be a struggle for £1500 but the choice of new bikes for £1500 is very limited (to Chinese bikes basically).
Surely if they are agreeing to loan you money, its wrong of them to place demands on how you use it. Different if they are giving you money IMO?
Not a good predicament to be in at any rate, as driving a new Chinese bike is not something I would like to entertain, I've had a go on a lifan bike before and it was woeful quality :(
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Perhaps his parents are worried about him buying dangerous tat with poor tyres and worn out engines and they feel if they lend him the money to buy something new they can rest a little easier.
I think it is good of them to offer and I imagine the lend part of the offer is given knowing he probably wont pay it all back.
At the end of the day Christo if it were me I would attempt to discuss the options of secondhand (decent) and see if they can be persuaded. If not and they are adamant on you having a chinese bike, then go for it
1. It gets you on the road (hopefully trouble free)
2. If it falls apart and turns out to be that pile of shyte, they can't put the blame on you ;)
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Christo, if you absolutely have to buy Chinese, DO NOT BUY OFF THE INTERNET!!!! Go to a dealer with a workshop - at least that way you'll get some warranty/comeback if things go wrong, and spares back-up. On the internet, there are too many people who think they can make a quick buck from importing cheap crap; you buy the bike, and then there's no help when it all goes tits up.
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If I were your parents I'd buy you a bus pass :)
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Christo, if you absolutely have to buy Chinese, DO NOT BUY OFF THE INTERNET!!!! Go to a dealer with a workshop - at least that way you'll get some warranty/comeback if things go wrong, and spares back-up. On the internet, there are too many people who think they can make a quick buck from importing cheap crap; you buy the bike, and then there's no help when it all goes tits up.
I'm not that thick!
The bike shop in Chatteris is a Lexmoto dealer, gonna see if I can test ride an Arrow 125.
Anyone know of a 200 to 400cc cheap new bike?
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If I were your parents I'd buy you a bus pass :)
It's bad enough already, don't give them ideas!
Busses aren't very practical in Fenland, pubic transport, on the whole, sucks.
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Fenland? You didn't used to have a scooter did you?!
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Fenland? You didn't used to have a scooter did you?!
Nope. Unless you count the 1971 Honda Amigo I rode round fields in France yonks ago!
I'm working in Cambridge for the year on internship, and living in Chatteris for the time being. That's the Fens link.
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Anyone know of a 200 to 400cc cheap new bike?
not too likely:
Honda CBR250,Kawasaki Ninja 250R, Daelim Roadwin Roadsport 250, Hyosung GT250, Daelim VJF250, and the Suzuki Inazuma 250 are all between £3-4000 brand new :(
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Christo, if you absolutely have to buy Chinese, DO NOT BUY OFF THE INTERNET!!!! Go to a dealer with a workshop - at least that way you'll get some warranty/comeback if things go wrong, and spares back-up. On the internet, there are too many people who think they can make a quick buck from importing cheap crap; you buy the bike, and then there's no help when it all goes tits up.
I'm not that thick!
The bike shop in Chatteris is a Lexmoto dealer, gonna see if I can test ride an Arrow 125.
Anyone know of a 200 to 400cc cheap new bike?
I suspect anything cheap is going to be cheap for a reason mate!
Look up insurance on a 500, surely they can't be that much? I'm pretty much your age (although admittedly got a no. of no claims), and they want about £70!
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:tape :wall :nana
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I have complete engines and stripped engines on the shelf if needed?
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If you're thinking of buying a Chinese bike take a look at my thread from 2012 here (http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php?topic=3380.msg27379#msg27379). It had 7500 miles on it and was less than two years old.
Don't buy an import which is hard to find bits for. Get something cheap, common and reliable. Unfortunately this will pretty much limit you to really boring things and 125s but needs must.
You could pick up a nice YBR or CG for £1000, boring but it won't go wrong, will get you from A to B and when you come to sell it in a year or two you'll get back what you paid for it provided it's not been smashed up ;)
If I was in that situation I'd go for something like a 600 Diversion, a GPZ500 or even a Deuville if you can get one for a grand. Will go on forever and not be horrible to do distances on like a 125.
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Surely its better to try and find a replacement engine for his Kawasaki - its the cheapest option as it avoids the extra cost of a new bike, changing the insurance and having to possibly sort out tax and MOT.
The other benefit is that he can write it off as a bike to learn on and give up on trying to keep it in mint condition - he doesn't have to be worried whilst riding, that if he drops it, he is going to lose money instantly in resell value.
The only real consideration is the time cost involved but in any case he is going to be off the road for a few more days at least.
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Busses aren't very practical in Fenland, pubic transport, on the whole, sucks.
I agree pubic transport does suck :lol
I think Dead Eye makes a good point. If only ZX4 engines were in abundance - but an engine from something else might fit?
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Surely its better to try and find a replacement engine for his Kawasaki - its the cheapest option as it avoids the extra cost of a new bike, changing the insurance and having to possibly sort out tax and MOT.
That might be easier said than done, it's not like it's a common bike.
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Here is one
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/KAWASAKI-ZZR400-ZZR-400-1991-ZX400D-COMPLETE-ENGINE-MOTOR-ONLY-58K-MILES-/200877501845?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts_13&hash=item2ec53b6d95 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/KAWASAKI-ZZR400-ZZR-400-1991-ZX400D-COMPLETE-ENGINE-MOTOR-ONLY-58K-MILES-/200877501845?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts_13&hash=item2ec53b6d95)
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Here is one
[url]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/KAWASAKI-ZZR400-ZZR-400-1991-ZX400D-COMPLETE-ENGINE-MOTOR-ONLY-58K-MILES-/200877501845?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts_13&hash=item2ec53b6d95[/url] ([url]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/KAWASAKI-ZZR400-ZZR-400-1991-ZX400D-COMPLETE-ENGINE-MOTOR-ONLY-58K-MILES-/200877501845?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts_13&hash=item2ec53b6d95[/url])
Makes it easier if there's a UK model that's the same I suppose :D
Fwiw I bought some coils from them (motorcycle_recycle) and they turned up pretty quickly, seem like a decent seller.
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Yeah, its definitely easier said than done, but the logic is sound at least :P
Pretty sure I've used Motorcycle Recycle as well - bought a second hand thermostat housing from them for the 600 :)
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Would help if that was the right bike unfortunaetly - that's a ZZR400, and christos is a ZX-4 (which I'm pretty certain was never actually imported officially to the UK)
http://www.conceptofcars.com/post/kawasaki-zzr-400.html (http://www.conceptofcars.com/post/kawasaki-zzr-400.html)
ZZR400 ^
http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/Gallery/Kawasaki%20%20ZX-4%20%2088.jpg (http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/Gallery/Kawasaki%20%20ZX-4%20%2088.jpg)
ZX-4 ^
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zxr engine?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ZXR400-engine-complete-running-engine-zxr-400-H-or-L-/190995835086?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts_13&hash=item2c783d28ce (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ZXR400-engine-complete-running-engine-zxr-400-H-or-L-/190995835086?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts_13&hash=item2c783d28ce)
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Unfortunately again that's not the right engine for Christo - he's got an incredibly rare bike, to the point where i SERIOUSLY doubt buying a new engine is an option, and I suspect even getting parts to service what is now a 25 odd year old Kawasaki will be a nightmare!
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Christo - ZX400G, that's your bike isn't it?
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Christo - ZX400G, that's your bike isn't it?
Having looked it up with the aid of a Japanese speaking colleague, it was made for one year, before becoming the ZXR400, and was never formally imported to the UK. ngine for that, needle in a haystack unfortunaetly comes to mind.
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Christo - ZX400G, that's your bike isn't it?
Having looked it up with the aid of a Japanese speaking colleague, it was made for one year, before becoming the ZXR400, and was never formally imported to the UK. ngine for that, needle in a haystack unfortunaetly comes to mind.
No chance the ZXR engine would fit in then?
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Possible, but I can't find that info anywhere on the web!
Would probably be worth him joining a couple of the 400cc owners clubs online and asking that in case they do know!
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Here is one that may suit you http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201307237961730/sort/recpriceascdefault/usedbikes/price-from/500/cc-to/400cc/price-to/1500/cc-from/400cc/body-type/naked/radius/1500/postcode/sg15rg/page/1?logcode=p (http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201307237961730/sort/recpriceascdefault/usedbikes/price-from/500/cc-to/400cc/price-to/1500/cc-from/400cc/body-type/naked/radius/1500/postcode/sg15rg/page/1?logcode=p)
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Christo - ZX400G, that's your bike isn't it?
Having looked it up with the aid of a Japanese speaking colleague, it was made for one year, before becoming the ZXR400, and was never formally imported to the UK. ngine for that, needle in a haystack unfortunaetly comes to mind.
Not quite, but nearly. The ZX400G had 25,000 models built, only 3,000 in 88. But it is rare. :(
Hopefully it's 'only' a water pump, and no other damage. Hopefully. :(
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How can an initial diagnosis of piston rings or cracked liner suddenly become a water pump?
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How can an initial diagnosis of piston rings or cracked liner suddenly become a water pump?
The RAC chap reckoned rings or liner (not cracked, BTW, but dropped). I'm not sure the ZX has liners.
The water pump diagnosis was from the mechanic who actually knows the bike. Chances are that that was the first ZX-4 the RAC guy had ever clapped eyes on. It could be that the water pump (which also drives the oil pump) failed catastrophicaly, the coolant and the oil mixed, an the horrible noise was a result of that. Hopefully I'll find out soon.
Guess what, Exup, looks like I'm finally getting a Thou. Not as shiny as this one though....
(http://www.perrys.co.uk/new-vehicle-images/cars/800x/0/1/50101.jpg)
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Fair play to your parents. Getting you bikes and cars! I would have got a hat, a coat and a pair of walking shoes :lol
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Probably for the best you switch to four wheels for a while Christo.. at least until winter is over with and you have some funds to sort your old bike out / buy another one.
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Fair play to your parents. Getting you bikes and cars! I would have got a hat, a coat and a pair of walking shoes :lol
Not getting. Lending me money for the car alone. And despairing of me. :rolleyes Fair play to them though (despite the hours of persuasion it took).
Probably for the best you switch to four wheels for a while Christo.. at least until winter is over with and you have some funds to sort your old bike out / buy another one.
Car in use: major restoration of the ZX is now in place! I'm not allowed to insure it (not even at Uni next year, when I'll have sold the car), but at least I'll have it as something to do with my non-existant spare time. :)
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Sorry to hear about the bike Cristo.
We've all been there with bikes or cars, getting a car wont automatically prevent issues either but i do agree that a car is generally a better option in your situation.
My 2nd car was a complete drama, a nova SR 1.3, more weld on it than original metal, i thought i knew it all & my older mate John who talked a good car came with me, i may as well have taken my gran.That car cost me thousands in the end & went through so much despair, we were even planning on a balaclava attack on the little tosser who sold me it at one point, luckily i seen sense, my whole family got dragged into the perils of that car & thankfully i joined the army & got rid of the thing.
I now look back on it all & chuckle & you will too regards your bike woes.
Use it as a tool for the future when you're earning mega bucks & not worrying about the mechanical bills so much.
The family sounds like a top bunch & i think if you show willingness to be sensible they'll help you out no end & theres no shame in accepting help either, im sure youll help them out if they ever need it in future.
Good luck 8)
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To come in 2014
FUCK FUCK FUCK I've rolled the Punto
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To come in 2014
FUCK FUCK FUCK I've rolled the Punto
Puntos are too dear on the insurance.
Is it possible to roll a Ka? :rolleyes
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Lol ok then :)
Happy you've got something sorted. Wish ya well on ya travels :)
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Lol ok then :)
Happy you've got something sorted. Wish ya well on ya travels :)
Trying to sort at least! :lol
Thanks, and you too.
Hey, as I was part hanging off last time I crashed, can I call it as a knee down? :lol :lol :lol
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dont buy a ka christo.......nasty things :\ ....just bought my daughter a 1.0 corsa much better...have you looked at insurance yet ? best i can find for " little miss red ".....£1550.00....shes 18 and just passed her test .........
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dont buy a ka christo.......nasty things :\ ....just bought my daughter a 1.0 corsa much better...have you looked at insurance yet ? best i can find for " little miss red ".....£1550.00....shes 18 and just passed her test .........
ka's are almost as ugly as the micra and as paul says corsa's are great :)
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Most people are saying so! I'm looking at several models, but the Ka is the cheapest. Corsas are up there with Citroen Saxons though!
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Don't worry Christo, knee down days aren't over yet!
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KA's are a nightmare and there is a reason they are cheap.
Some general stereotyping to follow and is of my own opinion:
- Saxo's should have generally ok engines, but the electronics will crap out if they haven't already
- Corsa: Honestly don't have much of an opinion but I hated the one I learnt in as it was a bitch to try and look over your shoulder and check blind spots
- 106: Half decent engines (durability) but are under powered and the electronics will die. Not sure of the 107 however
Your best bet is to buy as cheap a car as you can (I sold my 106, in good condition for £250~ as it needed a new CV Joint) and use the rest of the money for insurance.
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Insurance on a Saxo or Corsa will probably be stupid money as they tend to be the chavs weapon of choice. The Ka is crap but, if you get one with the 1.25 Zetec engine they go quite well. My sister had one and loved it (I drove it once and bloody hated it) but they are cheap. Biggest problem on them is rust around the arse end behind that huge rear bumper.
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Punto's are shite,
Corsa's, Polo's, Fiesta's & Saxo's are chavtastic.
Ka's are either rust boxes or half decent - the newer the better.
You need to look past the obvious for best deals.
i.e. Hyundai Getz 1.1, Suzuki Swift 1.0 etc.
Good luck
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If it's cheap motoring you're after you can't do much better than a Rover. Either the Metro, 100 or 200.
Cheap to buy because they're seriously uncool, usually well looked after because they're ALL owned by pensioners, and cheap to insure if you stick to the 1.1 engines.
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^^ I actually have had a few rovers as well in my time, and some of them are not too bad as cars go. Although strangely for me, it worked out cheaper for me to get insurance (22 at the time) on a 620, than it did for a 214. go figure!
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If it's cheap motoring you're after you can't do much better than a Rover. Either the Metro, 100 or 200.
Cheap to buy because they're seriously uncool, usually well looked after because they're ALL owned by pensioners, and cheap to insure if you stick to the 1.1 engines.
I have fond memories of Rovers, my parents had one years ago!
I was looking at a Rover 45 for £495. I didn't like the £2.200 insurance!! :eek :eek
Currently looking at either a Corsa 1.0 or 1.2, or a Ka 1.3. Which, weirdly, is £100 cheaper on insurance than a Corsa 1.0. Despite bing group 10, WTF?!? :\
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You could always try a VW polo or a Toyota Yaris :lol
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different companies will favour different cars.....lots and lots of shopping around is the answer...good luck,i think your going to need it :rolleyes
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Insurance companies are like bookies, they calculate the risk based on past claims and set the premium to suit. With something like a Corsa, being popular with youngsters, the chances of a claim from a Corsa driven by a young driver are pretty high. With something that is considered uncool, so not popular with the high risk drivers, the chances of a claim a much lower. A mates son (19 year old student) was trying to get insurance on a Fiesta and being quoted stupid money until he got a quote on my mates old Peugeot 405 diesel and the cost plummeted. The reasoning being that the odds of a 19 year old student in a Fiesta making a claim is around 100%, the odds of a 19 year old student driving a 405 diesel making a claim are considerably lower purely because 19 year old students don't drive 405 diesels so past history shows no claims.
So, think outside the box and go for the most uncool car you can find.
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Rustyrider a lot of what you say was true in my case trying to get insured on a car but there was a middle point that took loads of research to find the balance. Too big of an engine etc or a car that is seen as perhaps large or unreliable, maybe expensive in the event of a claim made the insurance more expensive. I also found that diesels were more expensive to insure than petrol. I started trying to insure clio's, fiestas etc and it was stupid. So I went the other way, old volvo diesel estates and stuff like that which would be reliable and could carry my drums to gigs. Expensive. I then found the middle ground were things like very very common 1.4-1.6 litre petrol estates such as the ford focus 1.4 lx (most basic model), peugeot 306 estate and the Vauxhall astra estate. I didnt get a car in the end but would have gone for a focus estate and probably will do in the future although I wanted a big ass blacked out volvo just to pretend I was in the Swedish mafia :lol . Weirdly, the cheapest car I could insure was actually a land rover defender 110 which would have been awesome but they are often expensive to buy.
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Strangely, a 1.4L Rover 45 was twice as expensive insurance-wise than a Corsa 1.2!!! Go figure...
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Each car is going to be different. As well as the likelihood of a claim they then look at things like the cost of repair in event of a claim. So a Focus Ghia will be more expensive than a base model Focus as the extra bits of trim will add to the cost of a repair when it gets bent. A Volvo is going to cost more because the cost of the parts to repair it are more expensive (and probably because the older ones where built like a brick shithouse the increased cost of repair to the third party they hit!). A diesel may cost more because if mechanical parts get damaged in an accident, they cost more to replace and so on. There's far more factors to take account of than simply the performance
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Cost of repair is pretty minor, particularly with a cheapo car. Personal injury (and lawyers) is where the costs come in. Typically someone in a boring diesel saloon is less likely to claim than someone in a hot/warm hatch. You only have to nudge into someone at <10mph to have a couple of £5k whiplash claims + fees.
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stay on two wheels.................get a pushbike and don't have an off :b ;)
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stay on two wheels.................get a pushbike and don't have an off :b ;)
I got a pushbike on Sunday.
Chain snapped after less than 200m... :rolleyes
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the new ka. is 75 percent fiat 500, lots of mpg. a bit dear but think what you will save in fuel tax breakdowns etc, no more worries. ;)
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stay on two wheels.................get a pushbike and don't have an off :b ;)
I got a pushbike on Sunday.
Chain snapped after less than 200m... :rolleyes
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