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Bikes, Hints'n'Tips => Fazer 1000/FZ1 corner => Topic started by: nickodemon on 13 December 2013, 11:09:30 pm
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Hi, Who knows the exact model of r1 front end that fits the fzs 1000? What is required? Does it go straight on or is there new bearings etc.. required. Regarding the rear are nitron shocks the way to go? I have the r6 shock mod, which is good, but may want to go to the next level.Thanks, Nick.
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See my web site Nick info there and for sale section
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Also see this, Nick:
http://fazer1000.yuku.com/topic/3408/R1-Fork-Conversion-Guide (http://fazer1000.yuku.com/topic/3408/R1-Fork-Conversion-Guide)
Any year R1 forks can be made to fit. For that matter, I have seen Suzuki GSX-R forks used. None of the options are straight swap, though ... all require mods to the yokes and the steering stem. A recent thread on the FZ1OA forum shows a different approach to the steering stem issue.
http://www.yamahafz1oa.com/forum/showthread.php?t=130857&highlight=r1+forks (http://www.yamahafz1oa.com/forum/showthread.php?t=130857&highlight=r1+forks)
Early model R1s shared the same front wheel and brakes as the Fazer, which makes for a cheaper conversion. Later model R1 forks have superior internals (08 particularly good) and radial brake calipers but you need the front wheel, calipers etc which really bumps up the cost.
Luke favours fork extensions to maintain the original front end height. I have mine fitted without which drops the front about 3/4" and speeds the steering considerably. I haven't had any stability or ground clearance issues but it might not suit everyone, particularly larger/heavier riders. :)
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Slight update you can fit later r1 forks 04 on and use you fazer wheels all you need is the r6 discs
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Brilliant informative posts from both you guys :) Next question- does anyone have a complete front end available that i can fit straight on? :lol
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Yup. I have 4xv forks,yokes,mudguard and a Justy spacer and roll pin. All you need I think?
Will not be fitting to mine,changed my mind.
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See for sale I have gen2 yikes with all the machining already doneand set modern 09 fz1 forksif you want the lot we can cut a deal
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Don't forget that you will have to change the springs as the R1 is a lot lighter, unless you are 8st
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Don't forget that you will have to change the springs as the R1 is a lot lighter, unless you are 8st
I've got 03 r1 forks on mine, even two up I've had no issues with spring rates or bottoming out.
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I've got K-tech modded '03 forks in mine, too.
These forks were modded for use on an R1 by the previous owner (ebay purchase, so no details unfortunately) so while the springs might be a bit stiffer - and most likely linear not progressive - I can also say that they've been just fine on the Fazer.
My inclination would be to buy, fit and try. If you discover that they're undersprung, it's no big deal to drop the forks out and have new springs installed later on. :)
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99-01 0.76 kg/mm
02-03 0.813 kg/mm
04-05 0.93 kg/mm
i'm using 1.0, but i am a big fat bastard
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Thanks luke for the offer of fz1 forks, but i want r1 forks. Just boughta nice lsl top yoke tha requires no mods. Now i need 2003/2004 bottom yoke, r1 forks/ calipers and r6 discs
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Might splash outon 07-08 r1 forks
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I have seen a few sets of 2003 (5pw model) forks. Why are some gold and some black?
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Why is an elephant large, grey and wrinkled ...?
Because if it were small, white and round, it would be an aspirin. :lol
Different colour schemes on the bikes, so different fork colour, mate, that's all. :)
Feliz Navidad!
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:lol I noticed that american ones seemed to be black and was concerned there was a difference. I'm goong to get 02-03 bottom yoke to match the lsl top yoke to guarantee the offset is the same, then i will decide on the year of forks to use.
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ive had 98, 03 and 08 forks on mine, whish id just started with the 08 setup, if your going to make the front end better might as well have a set of sixpots on there too, transforms the braking. Got to have an r1 front wheel/brakes/spindle but its worth the extra i reckon.
(http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad211/Richey181/100_2559.jpg) (http://s937.photobucket.com/user/Richey181/media/100_2559.jpg.html)
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Do the 08 forks fit 03 yolks?
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Tommy, that front end is good!!! makes the bike very modern..
Does any one put R6 front end on?,,,if it is not a stupid thought ;)
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Do the 08 forks fit 03 yolks?
yes, mine has 03 bottom yolk and fz1 top yolk.
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There all 50/54mm
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I might get an 08 set then ;) i will need to get calipers, wheel and mudguard .... This is going to get expensive!
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Just bought a 02 - 03 lower yoke to match the lsl top yoke :)
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If ya stuck for fazer stems I have a few lol
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I could do with a stem and a justy spacer :)
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If ya stuck for fazer stems I have a few lol
ill dig out them over xmas
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Nice one :). I thought it would be easier to replace the stem rather than removing mine. Hope you have a great xmas :) Cheers, Nick.
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You all might be wondering why i am asking lots of questions. It's because laptop is broken, so doing everything with my phone! If i buy 2008 r1 front end and calipers can i use my fazer front wheel with different discs? What spacers would i need?
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I could do with a stem and a justy spacer :)
I don't think justy does the spacers anymore, maybe Luke is your man to knock a batch of spacers up.
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I still need to check the spares bin in my cave, Nick, for a spacer. Sorry, slipped my mind - as a lot of things do these days! :)
Mike
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Slipped my mind too, that you were going to have a look for one ;)
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(http://i42.tinypic.com/29p848x.jpg)
yeah i can spin up spacers to justy's original but cant do the later version
no disc combo i know of yet works with original front wheel with 08 forks
later fz1 or o3 will work with r6 disc's but once you go radial the game changes
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So what're we talking for 08 conversion? £1000-£1200 for parts? Hmmmmm.....
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Found this Chinese company selling wheels, but not sure if original or cheap copies.. Also noticed that they are saying it will fit model years 2004 -2012. I thought the wheels would be different?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/360738902721?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/360738902721?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649)
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think the neg feedback says it all
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Chinese cheap copies on your beloved Fazer?! Are you nuts?!!!!! Maybe on a 125 that can't do more than 70mph (but even then....). No way am I ever going to stick that kind of stuff on my bike. If I can't afford decent kit, I won't do it at all. In fact, if I had unlimited funds, I'd be more likely to spend even more. (Always wondered how much difference a set of carbon or some such wheels would make, but only from a reputable manufacturer).
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I couldn't tell if they were genuine ones or copies, as the ad is unclear. I would never buy copies, as the thought of the front wheel breaking up while riding doesn't bare thinking about! :eek
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I got a reply from the chinese company selling the r1 front wheel. They are NOT genuine Yamaha, so won't be touching with a barge pole! Damn. That's why they were so cheap :'( Regarding yoke offset how can i find out what each model years yoke offset is? I'm trying to find out if 02-03 is same as 07-08.
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Put Luke's old fz1s front end on yours !!
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Put Luke's old fz1s front end on yours !!
I want a late r1 front end on mine. Funnily enough just as Luke has done. :)
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I got a reply from the chinese company selling the r1 front wheel. They are NOT genuine Yamaha, so won't be touching with a barge pole! Damn. That's why they were so cheap :'( Regarding yoke offset how can i find out what each model years yoke offset is? I'm trying to find out if 02-03 is same as 07-08.
(http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad211/Richey181/r1forkcomp.jpg) (http://s937.photobucket.com/user/Richey181/media/r1forkcomp.jpg.html)
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I am now going to jump up and down with joy! The offset is the same for the 5pw LSL top yoke and the 4c8 yokes and forks i will be acquiring in the next few weeks :)
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Sure the forks are the same size chap?
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I've been told by several people the diameter of top and bottom yokes is the same. Stanchion (chrome bit) Varies though.
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all yams are 50/54 mm
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Got my front end at a great price. Using lsl top yoke from 02-03 model, as offset the same. Decided to sell the top yoke as i don't need it. It turns out the forks i have aren't 4c8 model but the later 14b (2009-2011) Only difference is longer tube length (19mm) and spring rate is slightly softer 920 kg/mm compared to 950kg/mm. Still need to get wheel and discs...
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Nick, got your PMs but been away for a few days. I think you'll be very happy with the later model forks you've acquired. They're longer than any of the other R1 options available which is a good thing. The spring rate will be very close to ideal for your weight, I suspect.
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Cutting a looong story short i have actually got the 4c8 (2008) model, but the top yoke confused me as its the better looking 14b model. i phoned the guy i bought them from and he said it was changed because it looked better than the plain original. Apparently a few people have done it on R1 forums. Pity i can't use it!
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Bought wheel with discs from US of A at a good price, so only need mudguard and wheel spindle. May still need a justy spacer from luke, but have a spacer from Mike, which i may be able to modify to suit.
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ive got a front spindle kicking about somewhere that you can have, let me know if you want me to go find it !
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Hope you don't get stung to bad with import duty
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Hope you don't get stung to bad with import duty
I know! Bought a werkes exhaust from usa and got charged £45! B*stards :'(
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ive got a front spindle kicking about somewhere that you can have, let me know if you want me to go find it !
Is it an r1 spindle or fazer one?
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its off a 2003 R1, but its the same as the 08 R1
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pm'd :)
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Got charged £25 vat charges. No customs duty charges as wheel and discs cost less than £134 (The limit before charges incur) Carbon front mudguard hopefully on way also. I think that's everything....
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Bike shop have been in touch about fitting the fazer steering stem to my '03 R1 lower yoke. They say that the steering stem is 0.3mm to small to make a good fit. Anybody have any idea how to solve?
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pm sent
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Likewise. :)
Not a job for an ordinary bike shop, disappointed that they threw the problem back to you for ideas, though. Find a good engineering workshop and they'll solve this for you in no time.
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Thanks guys for the replies ;) . Getting there... Wheel and discs arrived today and very pleased, as i saved over £100 buying in UK and that includes the £25 vat charge.Waiting on a powerbronze carbon front mudguard arriving that was on ebay. I offered payment as a gift for a reduced cost, which the guy was happy with. Just need to get the steering stem issue dealt with and the spacers Mike gave me sorted and hopefully that should be everything....Famous last words :rollin Time for a glass of nice vino.. Think i might have a Spanish one ;)
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I bought a steering stem from brian g from the fz1o site for $150 inc postage, Bought the appropriate bearings from bike bearings.co .uk (£35) Massive thanks to mike (Falcon 269) for the link regarding the top yoke, steering stem and bearing shop. Here's a couple of pics with it all fitted. I had to make a few spacers for the ignition plus a few other mods here and there. Well happy :)
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Looks good :thumbup
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Just a point did you move the horn if not do as bristol banger will confirm it will hit the muddy
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Yeah it now sits flush with the underside of the fairing. Cheers for the heads up ;)
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Very nice six pot calipers,,,are they the R!s ?
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Yes mate, the front end comprises of an R1 2008 model front wheel, calipers and discs. a 2002 - 2003 R1 bottom yoke, an lsl 2002 - 2003 r1 bar conversion top yoke. R1 2008 powerbronze mudguard. The steering stem was manufactured by a chap called brian on the fz1o forum.
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wots the rear wheel and did you use the dust cover front spacer
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Rear wheel's standard gen 1 and yes i used the dust cover/spacers supplied with the wheel
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i have the specs for the r6 rear caliper conversion and spacers to make the r1 rear work when ya ready
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:lol DON'T TEMPT ME!
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Here are a couple of pics showing difference between standard fazer and r1 front end.
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Nice bikes Nick........so if your shed goes on fire and you can only rescue one bike......which one would it be
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It would have to be the tuono as it's worth double the fazers :'(
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Nice conversion nick, looks very neat, and that tuono is awesome .
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Cheers bud. What are you tinkering with these days?
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Just fitted my new mivv gp carbon can :)
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updated pic ;)