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Title: Speed
Post by: Notch000 on 17 October 2013, 08:31:02 pm
Quick question, how fast is 10,000 RPM in first gear
Title: Re: Speed
Post by: stevierst on 17 October 2013, 09:27:22 pm
Only one way to find out :D
Title: Re: Speed
Post by: Notch000 on 17 October 2013, 09:36:44 pm
the surgen says otherwise
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Post by: fazersharp on 17 October 2013, 09:52:49 pm
Quick question, how fast is 10,000 RPM in first gear
You have got another 5 you know
Title: Re: Speed
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 17 October 2013, 09:55:05 pm
Quick question, how fast is 10,000 RPM in first gear
You have got another 5 you know

 
15,000 rpm might be a little excessive, don't you think?  :lol
Title: Re: Speed
Post by: richfzs on 17 October 2013, 10:06:07 pm
He learned to ride with a scalextrix :lol
Title: Re: Speed
Post by: taurus66 on 17 October 2013, 11:44:23 pm
There is another Gauge next to the rev counter... its called a speedometer.. it tells you what speed you do.. and at 10 000 rpm in first.. well you will need to look at and see...
Title: Re: Speed
Post by: reillypadraig on 18 October 2013, 12:11:06 am
Didn't someone have a question like this before, but it was the other way around, like how many revs would you be if you wer in 6th doing 60mph if you went 2 teeth down on the front? Something like that

But someone put up a scale like on an excel sheet to show what speed and at what rev and how many teeth up or down? That might help but I can't find the thread
Title: Re: Speed
Post by: Notch000 on 18 October 2013, 01:07:13 am
My speedos wasnt working. I had a wheelie bad accident  :'(  so just wondering what sort of speed i was doing when i came off,
10, 20, 30 ???? anyone
Title: Re: Speed
Post by: darrsi on 18 October 2013, 06:26:50 am
My speedos wasnt working. I had a wheelie bad accident  :'(  so just wondering what sort of speed i was doing when i came off,
10, 20, 30 ???? anyone


When you say you had a "wheelie" bad accident, is that literally doing a wheelie, which would explain why there was no speedo working?
Anyway, 10K in first sounds a bit OTT to be truthful, did you flip the bike perchance?


If i had to make a random guess i s'pose i'd say around the 45mph mark, but i'm not gonna confirm that on the way to work this morning, i have a very busy day!  :\
Title: Re: Speed
Post by: Punkstig on 18 October 2013, 08:01:25 am
4500 in 2nd is near as dammit 30
Same as

4500 in 3rd is 40


As for 10,000 in first I'd take a guess at about 60, I shall check on my way into town for you!
Title: Re: Speed
Post by: limax2 on 18 October 2013, 08:54:29 am
On the basis that each 1000 rpm in 5th is close to 10 mph (just my observation), then a quick calculation using the gear ratios gives 42 mph.
Using Punkstig's  4500 in second = 30 mph the calculation gives 45.6 mph
Using 4500 in third = 40 mph then the calculation gives 48 mph.
Be interesting to see what the road test brings up.
Title: Re: Speed
Post by: fazersharp on 18 October 2013, 09:46:28 am
If you were in 1st at 10,000 revs then its no wonder you crashed.
I wouldnt fancy doing a test for you to see as I hate to think of the SMASH from 1st to 2nd gear as at normal revs its a clunck
Title: Re: Speed
Post by: darrsi on 18 October 2013, 10:14:03 am
I didn't go mad but at about 8000rpm i was approaching 38mph then changed gear, so i wasn't too far out at 45mph, but if you prolong it then obviously the speed will rise, probably between 50 and 60mph.
But the bike sounds very stressed and quite frankly it gets a bit embarrassing.
 
Just change gear in future!
Title: Re: Speed
Post by: Punkstig on 18 October 2013, 11:15:58 am
Ok, so I was way off- 10,000 in first is about 45, I say 'about' due to speedo variations!

My 2nd and 3rd at 4500 are pretty close though- I was running without a speedo for a few weeks as hadn't yet had time to figure out fitting the drive unit to the thundercat wheel so had to know what speed I was going for cameras!
Title: Re: Speed
Post by: taurus66 on 18 October 2013, 01:25:31 pm
Well I am not going to thrash my motor to find out for you...  :eek
Title: Re: Speed
Post by: darrsi on 18 October 2013, 01:34:50 pm
Well I am not going to thrash my motor to find out for you...  :eek

The bike took it all in it's stride to be honest, they don't mind a bit of revving, as long as it's all under control.
Title: Re: Speed
Post by: stevierst on 18 October 2013, 03:22:12 pm
They're built to do that, it's what a 600 is all about. "ride it like you stole it" >:D
Title: Re: Speed
Post by: taurus66 on 18 October 2013, 03:33:36 pm
Nah, they may well do.. But I ride mine to last and live a bit longer thanks very much...  :)
Title: Re: Speed
Post by: Notch000 on 18 October 2013, 03:48:57 pm
to cut a long story short, i pulled off a little to eager and let it rev out a bit, the rear spun then gripped and then flipped out from under me. there was no catching it.
Be careful out there kids
Title: Re: Speed
Post by: darrsi on 18 October 2013, 04:15:20 pm
to cut a long story short, i pulled off a little to eager and let it rev out a bit, the rear spun then gripped and then flipped out from under me. there was no catching it.
Be careful out there kids

Yeah, that'll do it  :oops
Title: Re: Speed
Post by: fazersharp on 18 October 2013, 05:23:54 pm
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i pulled off a little to eager and let it rev out a bit, the rear spun then gripped and then flipped out from under me
I refer you to my post some moments ago
 
   
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They're built to do that, it's what a 600 is all about. "ride it like you stole it" >([url]http://foc-u.co.uk/Smileys/efocicon/cheesy.gif[/url])
What you mean down the pavement and across the park 
Title: Re: Speed
Post by: Notch000 on 18 October 2013, 05:36:40 pm
ya expensive & very sore lesson learned
Title: Re: Speed
Post by: His Dudeness on 18 October 2013, 06:02:39 pm
Mine is a bit clunky going into second at low rpm but slips in nicely up the rev range.
Title: Re: Speed
Post by: BorisTheThird on 18 October 2013, 06:11:16 pm
tried it today
10000RPM in 1st is 45mph
Title: Re: Speed
Post by: Notch000 on 18 October 2013, 06:20:03 pm
tried it today
10000RPM in 1st is 45mph


finally thanks
Title: Re: Speed
Post by: His Dudeness on 18 October 2013, 06:25:58 pm
tried it today
10000RPM in 1st is 45mph

Did the bike explode in a ball of flames? You're not suppose to go over 3k as it wears out the tacho.
Title: Re: Speed
Post by: richfzs on 18 October 2013, 06:47:02 pm
Not to mention what it does to the farkle gland. Honestly some people, no mechanical sympathy!!
Title: Re: Speed
Post by: stevierst on 19 October 2013, 09:43:19 am
You don't need a redline, that's what the rev limiter is for ::)
Title: Re: Speed
Post by: Punkstig on 19 October 2013, 10:51:23 am
tried it today
10000RPM in 1st is 45mph


finally thanks


Have a look 10 posts previous to Boris!
Title: Re: Speed
Post by: Captain Haddock on 19 October 2013, 10:58:28 am
So you are going to tell you're insurance company that " I was just wheel spinning away from the traffic lights when it gripped unexpectedly...." I think I know what they will say, probably along the lines of "no" but with more F's involved.  :lol
Title: Re: Speed
Post by: Notch000 on 19 October 2013, 12:35:45 pm
no need to tell them nothing, only myself involved, can fix bike for less than excess on policy, have private health & got a tow on breakdown cover
Title: Re: Speed
Post by: darrsi on 19 October 2013, 12:44:09 pm
tried it today
10000RPM in 1st is 45mph


finally thanks


Have a look 10 posts previous to Boris!


You can even go 15 posts back to my first guess  :D


Oh, and my gears don't clunk from 1st to 2nd, mainly neutral to 1st.
Title: Re: Speed
Post by: HazzaBui on 20 October 2013, 01:51:15 pm
In case anybody wanted slightly more accurate information/speed at different revs or gears, this website is pretty great:
http://www.gearingcommander.com/ (http://www.gearingcommander.com/)


Just chuck in your bike's make, model and version, switch is over to mph, then put the rpm in the m.p.rpm box - easy!
Title: Re: Speed
Post by: Jacko on 20 October 2013, 04:04:20 pm
It's all here on a nice sheet which also shows the effects of changing sprockets.

http://foc-u.co.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Effect_of_Changing (http://foc-u.co.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Effect_of_Changing)

or follow the hot poop link at top of page.
Title: Re: Speed
Post by: darrsi on 20 October 2013, 07:22:50 pm
It's all here on a nice sheet which also shows the effects of changing sprockets.

[url]http://foc-u.co.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Effect_of_Changing[/url] ([url]http://foc-u.co.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Effect_of_Changing[/url])

or follow the hot poop link at top of page.


That says a standard 155mph, that ain't right?
Title: Re: Speed
Post by: paulchucky on 20 October 2013, 07:56:04 pm
Quick question, how fast is 10,000 RPM in first gear




????  hhhmmmm well its about 50 degree`s    keep the back brake covered !!



Title: Re: Speed
Post by: Dead Eye on 20 October 2013, 09:21:48 pm
It's all here on a nice sheet which also shows the effects of changing sprockets.

[url]http://foc-u.co.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Effect_of_Changing[/url] ([url]http://foc-u.co.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Effect_of_Changing[/url])

or follow the hot poop link at top of page.


That says a standard 155mph, that ain't right?


Its entirely possible that IF the bike were to ever reach 12,500 RPM in 6th it would be travelling at 155mph... it just won't ever get there because it doesn't have the power...
Title: Re: Speed
Post by: darrsi on 20 October 2013, 09:49:03 pm
It's all here on a nice sheet which also shows the effects of changing sprockets.

[url]http://foc-u.co.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Effect_of_Changing[/url] ([url]http://foc-u.co.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Effect_of_Changing[/url])

or follow the hot poop link at top of page.


That says a standard 155mph, that ain't right?


Its entirely possible that IF the bike were to ever reach 12,500 RPM in 6th it would be travelling at 155mph... it just won't ever get there because it doesn't have the power...


A rather pointless figure then?
Title: Re: Speed
Post by: Dead Eye on 21 October 2013, 11:18:02 am
I think its there more for consistency - besides, there may be other bikes that the gearing also represents which have the extra power to achieve such a figure?

Also, if you change the gearing enough, the 12,500 RPM in 6th can come down to below Yamaha's quoted top speed for the bike - not a useless figure then ;)
Title: Re: Speed
Post by: darrsi on 21 October 2013, 11:57:44 am
I think its there more for consistency - besides, there may be other bikes that the gearing also represents which have the extra power to achieve such a figure?

Also, if you change the gearing enough, the 12,500 RPM in 6th can come down to below Yamaha's quoted top speed for the bike - not a useless figure then ;)

Don't forget the added turbo and the 1:3 gradient down hill as well  :lol
Title: Re: Speed
Post by: fazersharp on 21 October 2013, 12:16:00 pm
also dont forget the wind - because at 12,500 rpm and 155mph I will be making quite a lot of it !
Title: Re: Speed
Post by: Dead Eye on 21 October 2013, 12:20:36 pm
Wind and gradient don't make a different to gearning ratios... they make a difference to the maximum speed achievable under those conditions as they are a function of power, but it won't affect the RPM for a given Speed and Gear
Title: Re: Speed
Post by: Mark YPVS on 21 October 2013, 12:32:49 pm
I have seen on the speedo just under 150 mph on the 600 so about about 135 mph true speed, i dont think a half faired 600 would pull a true 155 mph ( did get 168 mph on my R6 speedo reading ( 1999 model) :evil
Mark  :)
Title: Re: Speed
Post by: darrsi on 21 October 2013, 01:06:50 pm
I have seen on the speedo just under 150 mph on the 600 so about about 135 mph true speed, i dont think a half faired 600 would pull a true 155 mph ( did get 168 mph on my R6 speedo reading ( 1999 model) :evil
Mark  :)

I've had 135mph with a passenger on as well, and if it wasn't for a pesky car changing lanes about a third of a mile up ahead i'd have gone quicker.
Bloody thoughtless these car drivers.  :lol
Title: Re: Speed
Post by: Mark YPVS on 21 October 2013, 01:48:15 pm
i find the ones with blue lights the worst, i had to ride on the pavement for several miles til i lost him  :evil :evil
Mark  :)
Title: Re: Speed
Post by: darrsi on 21 October 2013, 01:54:10 pm
i find the ones with blue lights the worst, i had to ride on the pavement for several miles til i lost him  :evil :evil
Mark  :)

I know the one's you mean, they make a right racket........
Title: Re: Speed
Post by: fazersharp on 21 October 2013, 07:16:44 pm
also dont forget the wind - because at 12,500 rpm and 155mph I will be making quite a lot of it !
Wind and gradient don't make a different to gearning ratios... they make a difference to the maximum speed achievable under those conditions as they are a function of power, but it won't affect the RPM for a given Speed and Gear
Oh dear let me do it again and now put one of these at the end of it  :rollin
also dont forget the wind - because at 12,500 rpm and 155mph I will be making quite a lot of it ! :rollin (now do you get it)
Title: Re: Speed
Post by: darrsi on 21 October 2013, 08:36:57 pm
also dont forget the wind - because at 12,500 rpm and 155mph I will be making quite a lot of it !
Wind and gradient don't make a different to gearning ratios... they make a difference to the maximum speed achievable under those conditions as they are a function of power, but it won't affect the RPM for a given Speed and Gear
Oh dear let me do it again and now put one of these at the end of it  :rollin
also dont forget the wind - because at 12,500 rpm and 155mph I will be making quite a lot of it ! :rollin (now do you get it)

I'll get your coat.........  :lol
Title: Re: Speed
Post by: Dead Eye on 21 October 2013, 10:53:44 pm
Yeah, I'm not good at judging internet humour unfortunately... sorry :P

I will generally always go with "There is no accounting for human stupidity" and just assume the worse case scenario :P
Title: Re: Speed
Post by: darrsi on 22 October 2013, 12:43:23 am
Yeah, I'm not good at judging internet humour unfortunately... sorry :P

I will generally always go with "There is no accounting for human stupidity" and just assume the worse case scenario :P

"And here i present.......the DIY Sander Carb Cleaner"  :pokefun ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Speed
Post by: darrsi on 22 October 2013, 12:46:37 am
I have the memory of a mouse that's been focced by an elephant................sorry Dead Eye  :)
Title: Re: Speed
Post by: midden on 22 October 2013, 01:45:16 am
If you were in 1st at 10,000 revs then its no wonder you crashed.
I wouldnt fancy doing a test for you to see as I hate to think of the SMASH from 1st to 2nd gear as at normal revs its a clunck
I can say from unwanted one time experience those kind of revs puts out an outrageously loud bang  :rolleyes :o [size=78%] [/size]
Title: Re: Speed
Post by: richfzs on 22 October 2013, 08:26:30 am
Not on my bike, it doesn't!
Title: Re: Speed
Post by: Dead Eye on 22 October 2013, 09:01:59 am
Yeah, I'm not good at judging internet humour unfortunately... sorry :P

I will generally always go with "There is no accounting for human stupidity" and just assume the worse case scenario :P

"And here i present.......the DIY Sander Carb Cleaner"  :pokefun ;) ;) ;)

Ssshhh... no one else needs know that this ever happened... none of the new guys will ever take me seriously  :lol
Title: Re: Speed
Post by: darrsi on 22 October 2013, 10:31:22 am
Yeah, I'm not good at judging internet humour unfortunately... sorry :P

I will generally always go with "There is no accounting for human stupidity" and just assume the worse case scenario :P

"And here i present.......the DIY Sander Carb Cleaner"  :pokefun ;) ;) ;)

Ssshhh... no one else needs know that this ever happened... none of the new guys will ever take me seriously  :lol

Only kidding matey  ;)
Title: Re: Speed
Post by: midden on 22 October 2013, 11:09:33 am
Not on my bike, it doesn't!
Sorry to hear that, put it down to rider error
Title: Re: Speed
Post by: JoeRock on 22 October 2013, 02:40:47 pm
Why on earth wouldn't you be able to hit 10k revs in first? The red line isn't until 12,500!
Title: Re: Speed
Post by: darrsi on 22 October 2013, 02:46:55 pm
Why on earth wouldn't you be able to hit 10k revs in first? The red line isn't until 12,500!

They do it quite comfortably, and beyond!
Title: Re: Speed
Post by: richfzs on 22 October 2013, 05:33:06 pm
Think I might have been misunderstood - my bike does indeed quite happily do 10k rpm, and beyond... What it doesn’t do, is make a huge clunk, or outrageously loud bang, when I shift from 1st to 2nd.

Any rider error involved, is not on my part....
Title: Re: Speed
Post by: darrsi on 22 October 2013, 06:19:02 pm
Think I might have been misunderstood - my bike does indeed quite happily do 10k rpm, and beyond... What it doesn’t do, is make a huge clunk, or outrageously loud bang, when I shift from 1st to 2nd.

Any rider error involved, is not on my part....

That clutchy lever thingy seems to stop all that clunking on my bike  :lol
Title: Re: Speed
Post by: richfzs on 22 October 2013, 07:05:22 pm
Yeah, funny that, them designing it for that porpoise and everyfink ;)
Title: Re: Speed
Post by: fazersharp on 23 October 2013, 05:13:37 pm
Fazers are they not ? renown for a cluncky 1st to 2nd