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Title: 3rd puncture in 6 months!
Post by: 110% on 14 May 2012, 09:14:22 am
I've just suffered my 3rd puncture in 6 months and it's beginning to piss me off now! It's my second new rear tyre on the Fazer and the tyre's only done 400 miles. The previous tyre had only done 2000 miles and had been repaired once already so I got it changed to be on the safe side.
 
My question is: Is there a solution to a recurring expensive problem like this (other than commuting to work using the underground!!) such as using inner tubes within the tyres or are there any tyres which are more robust to punctures than others?
 
Also - how safe are repaired tyres (provided that the puncture is central on the tread) and will it affect the maximum speed on the tyre?
Title: Re: 3rd puncture in 6 months!
Post by: keno on 14 May 2012, 11:08:53 am
Got a puncture in my michelin road pilot 2's rear tyre about 2-1/2 years ago got it repaired by a local bike shop £10 if i took the wheel of myself, never lost any air in that time i ride the bike hard sometimes and never had a problem.


I bought one of these not long after "Just in case"




http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/STOP-n-GO-POCKET-TYRE-PLUGGER-REPAIR-KIT-/290711055754?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item43afbaad8a (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/STOP-n-GO-POCKET-TYRE-PLUGGER-REPAIR-KIT-/290711055754?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item43afbaad8a)
Title: Re: 3rd puncture in 6 months!
Post by: 110% on 14 May 2012, 12:23:23 pm
Thanks Keno. I've just spotted this online:
 
Stop and Go Pocket Tire Plugger Demo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NfuBFNaA1U#ws)
 
It seems quite easy to use, and I'm guessing once inflated that the air pressure will ensure the plug stays firmly in place, but I've heard a few people who question how safe they are. Do the garages repair tyres in the same way or do they remove the tyre and patch the inside as well??
Title: Re: 3rd puncture in 6 months!
Post by: Slaninar on 14 May 2012, 12:43:15 pm
This works fine on all tubeless tyres and it is A LOT easier to use than it is changing tubes (that's why I prefer tubeless for touring, unless it's touring on some bad bad rocky roads):

http://www.louis.de/_30c063f403212b5cbc3a65acd02a0fc234/index.php?topic=artnr&artnr=10032076 (http://www.louis.de/_30c063f403212b5cbc3a65acd02a0fc234/index.php?topic=artnr&artnr=10032076)

You take foreign object out of the tyre.
You clean the hole with the small "drill" that comes in the package.
You put rubber "worm" in the special tool, cover it with the glue from the package, stick it all the way in (it will go HARD, require some force, but that's normal), turn it some quarter of a circle and pull out.
Cut the extra out.
Use CO cartridge to inflate tyre since it will not stick to the rim after being punctured.
After some pressure is gained with CO cartridge and tyre is stuck to the rim, inflate some more with a bicycle pump, or borrow a nice big car pump.
Title: Re: 3rd puncture in 6 months!
Post by: Voidoids on 14 May 2012, 01:34:00 pm
Quote from: 110% on 14 May 2012, 09:14:22 am
I've just suffered my 3rd puncture in 6 months and it's beginning to piss me off now! It's my second new rear tyre on the Fazer and the tyre's only done 400 miles. The previous tyre had only done 2000 miles and had been repaired once already so I got it changed to be on the safe side.
Hey! This pic should add a little cheer - maybe it's a new record?
Rode my new Fazer 8 home at 1pm, picked this up at 5:30pm! 85 miles on the odometer  :'(
Approx. 10mm diameter - saw it at the tyre shop the following morning, it appears to be approx. 1/2 turn of a 3" diameter suspension leg spring from a car!
The lucky thing for me is that when I pulled up the tyre went flat in less than 20secs, seems the speed kept the thing sort of sealed.
No plugging that one - had to be recovered via AA  :\ 
I think my glass was half-full & not half-empty that day...Didn't stop me racking up nearly 400miles over the weekend though!
Frank
Title: Re: 3rd puncture in 6 months!
Post by: 110% on 14 May 2012, 01:45:02 pm
Frank - Did you write to the Guinness book of records to check that one?!
Slaninar - how often have you used this type of repair, and how effective/safe would you say it is?
 
I've phoned the RAC who will repair it at the side of the road where I'm working (I've got free RAC roadside recovery through my MCE insurance policy) so I should be riding it home tonight. I'll ask the RAC man his opinion on how robust the repairs are when he gets here.
Title: Re: 3rd puncture in 6 months!
Post by: keno on 14 May 2012, 02:23:00 pm
The one slaninar is using is basically the same as mine except it uses glue where mine uses tyre pressure to keep the plug in tight, and his you have to push the stick in where as mine you just tighten the allen key until it wont go anymore then pull it tight and cut of excess,both do the same job just which do you prefer.
heres a link to the other type slaninar is on about.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Stop-n-Go-Tube-Tubeless-ATV-Tyre-Repair-Plug-Kit-/300676049090?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item4601b068c2#ht_1843wt_982 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Stop-n-Go-Tube-Tubeless-ATV-Tyre-Repair-Plug-Kit-/300676049090?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item4601b068c2#ht_1843wt_982)


My tyre was taken off and patched and plugged from inside the tyre wall but would not hesitate to use my plug kit as i have heard good things about it lasting till the end of the tyres life if done correctly.


End of the day its your choice.. ;)

Title: Re: 3rd puncture in 6 months!
Post by: 110% on 14 May 2012, 03:12:45 pm
The RAC man has been and gone. He used the following type of repair kit as a temporary repair:
 
http://www.infinitymotorcycles.com/product/tip-top-rep--air-tubeless-puncture-repair-kit/79 (http://www.infinitymotorcycles.com/product/tip-top-rep--air-tubeless-puncture-repair-kit/79)
 
He told me not to exceed 40mph and to take it to see if the garage can repair it. Having said that he doesn't think the tyre will even be fixable at the garage and that I will be buying my third brand new rear tyre for the Fazer costing me over £100 again.  :'(
Title: Re: 3rd puncture in 6 months!
Post by: DryRob on 14 May 2012, 03:57:41 pm
I got two within a few weeks when I started riding. The common fault was riding in the hatchings/unused areas of the road, I avoid them like the plague now and so far it's worked well.
 
Probably get 3 nails in each tyre on the way home now  :rolleyes
Title: Re: 3rd puncture in 6 months!
Post by: 110% on 14 May 2012, 04:13:34 pm
In London it's difficult not to ride in the hatches when it comes to filtering, but the puncture this morning was on Upper Richmond Road - a single carriage main road whilst I was lane splitting and all I heard was a loud 'pop' from the rear.
 
The worst places for random debris are at the junctions which have islands in the middle of the road. There are a few places where I will filter back into the traffic 2 or 3 cars before the lights to avoid riding over a load of stones/bits that have fallen off cars/rubbish that gathers right next to the traffic island, where as a lot of other riders I see will plough through them regardless to get to the front of the queue.
 
I'll put it down to bad luck (again).
Title: Re: 3rd puncture in 6 months!
Post by: topgun44 on 14 May 2012, 05:11:40 pm
this what i use for last 7/8 years job done  ;) :D
http://www.ultraseal-swiftlysorted.co.uk/ (http://www.ultraseal-swiftlysorted.co.uk/)
Title: Re: 3rd puncture in 6 months!
Post by: Slaninar on 14 May 2012, 05:37:26 pm
Quote from: keno on 14 May 2012, 02:23:00 pm
The one slaninar is using is basically the same as mine except it uses glue where mine uses tyre pressure to keep the plug in tight, and his you have to push the stick in where as mine you just tighten the allen key until it wont go anymore then pull it tight and cut of excess,both do the same job just which do you prefer.



I think your is a bit safer (pressure prevents it from falling out. Although, mine has worked on motorcycle and car tyres without problems. For long periods of  time. However, umbrella patching is the only way to be sure tyre is safely fixed, and that is best done in a shop (requires taking tyre off the rim):

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Title: Re: 3rd puncture in 6 months!
Post by: keno on 15 May 2012, 11:04:58 am

Quote
Umbrella Patches Umbrella patches are a hybrid between a patch and a plug. Locate and remove the foreign material that punctured the tire, then remove the tire from the rim. Clean the area with solvent about three inches around the puncture. Use a reaming tool to properly size the hole to receive the plug portion of the umbrella patch, then insert the plug into the puncture hole of the tire using a tool specially designed for the purpose. Pull the plug section through the puncture hole until the glued patch portion bottoms out on the inner surface of the tire. Trim the excess plug material away, then mount the tire on the rim. Inflate the tire then balance it before putting the tire back on the car.



Thats what bike shop done to mine slaninar £10 and never had a problem in 2 1/2 years
Title: Re: 3rd puncture in 6 months!
Post by: 110% on 18 May 2012, 01:39:14 pm
Just had a quote of £37 +VAT to repair the tyre based on £60/hour labour costs +VAT (I'm in London) plus about £7 for the umbrella patch. This is what makes punctures so annoying because they aren't something I can repair cheaply myself.
Title: Re: 3rd puncture in 6 months!
Post by: CRH on 18 May 2012, 03:43:29 pm
hi, i always use  THE TYRE PLUGGER  got it from busters mail order swansea years ago!! cost then was £15.99 so so easy to use!! you get 20 plugs in the kit and replacements are £4.99 for 20 off ebay! fixed loads a motorcycle and car tyres and NEVER had a problem!! this is the mushroom type? you dont need glue either!!
Title: Re: 3rd puncture in 6 months!
Post by: 110% on 19 May 2012, 12:09:23 pm
No wonder it went pop:

The garage found a 2 inch long piece of iron inside the tyre when they fixed it up! Back on the road now and I think I'm going to buy one the kits mentioned below for the future - most probably the stop and go tyre plugger.

Thanks for the replys everyone.
Title: Re: 3rd puncture in 6 months!
Post by: keno on 19 May 2012, 01:39:19 pm
Quote
Just had a quote of £37 +VAT to repair the tyre based on £60/hour labour costs +VAT (I'm in London) plus about £7 for the umbrella patch. This is what makes punctures so annoying because they aren't something I can repair cheaply myself.


Feck me... :eek  "glad i live up north".
Title: Re: 3rd puncture in 6 months!
Post by: 110% on 19 May 2012, 02:39:21 pm
It came to £36.62 in the end. It was only £45 per hour labour - I presume it was one of the less qualified mechanics fixing it (very reassuring!!)
Title: Re: 3rd puncture in 6 months!
Post by: fazersharp on 22 May 2012, 10:40:31 am
 I was tootling along and there was a bump-bump-bump which faded away. So got on the dual carriageway home.
When I looked I had picked up a 4inch nail through the side and out through the centre ish part - which then bent over (that was the fading bump) and the tire was still up when I got home
I now do not flinch when I have to spend £140 on a tyre that can cope with that and not blow up or somthing.
Title: Re: 3rd puncture in 6 months!
Post by: esetest on 28 March 2014, 05:32:14 pm
Ouch , that was pricy .
Quote from: 110% on 19 May 2012, 02:39:21 pm
It came to £36.62 in the end. It was only £45 per hour labour - I presume it was one of the less qualified mechanics fixing it (very reassuring!!)
Title: Re: 3rd puncture in 6 months!
Post by: fazersharp on 28 March 2014, 06:39:27 pm
Quote from: DryRob on 14 May 2012, 03:57:41 pm
The common fault was riding in the hatchings/unused areas of the road, I avoid them like the plague now and so far it's worked well.
 

Yep I am the same now ever since getting a 5 inch nail from the hatches,
Title: Re: 3rd puncture in 6 months!
Post by: Punkstig on 29 March 2014, 08:34:47 am
Craftyplugger
Craftyplugger
Craftyplugger
Title: Re: 3rd puncture in 6 months!
Post by: midden on 29 March 2014, 09:13:25 am
Quote from: 110% on 19 May 2012, 02:39:21 pm
It came to £36.62 in the end. It was only £45 per hour labour - I presume it was one of the less qualified mechanics fixing it (very reassuring!!)
Is this at a bike shop? surely quickfit watling tyres or any other tyre shop dont talk hourly rates. Or am I being bike naive.
Title: Re: 3rd puncture in 6 months!
Post by: paulkemp on 29 March 2014, 11:03:18 am
ULTRASEAL.
quite simply that Is the solution.
£20 for both wheels seals punctures as they happen.
Run it in my FZ8 and don't  have any wobble or imbalance even in excess of 140 :-)
Title: Re: 3rd puncture in 6 months!
Post by: Mattsplat on 29 March 2014, 03:21:36 pm
Slime!

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/like/151185327315?limghlpsr=true&hlpv=2&ops=true&viphx=1&hlpht=true&lpid=108&device=c&adtype=pla&crdt=0&ff3=1&ff11=ICEP3.0.0&ff12=67&ff13=80&ff14=108&ff19=0 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/like/151185327315?limghlpsr=true&hlpv=2&ops=true&viphx=1&hlpht=true&lpid=108&device=c&adtype=pla&crdt=0&ff3=1&ff11=ICEP3.0.0&ff12=67&ff13=80&ff14=108&ff19=0)
Title: Re: 3rd puncture in 6 months!
Post by: fazersharp on 29 March 2014, 04:27:52 pm
Now-sy then
I think those plug kits are just to get you hpme - or to the garage for a fix or new tyre

And that slime is the same in that to get you home. what I dont like about the slime is that you dont know that you have got a hole in your tyre that is compromising the structure. Thats what i worry about anyway
Title: Re: 3rd puncture in 6 months!
Post by: dcurzon on 29 March 2014, 07:25:01 pm
You can get puncture insurance for about 120/year, covers up to 3 replacements/year
Title: Re: 3rd puncture in 6 months!
Post by: mr self destruct on 06 April 2014, 08:20:37 pm
Quote from: Punkstig on 29 March 2014, 08:34:47 am
Craftyplugger
Craftyplugger
Craftyplugger


Went out for a bit of a ride today to buy a tailpack off FuZzBoM and came back with a bit more than I intended.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v511/jonnyspatter/Bike/3E6FBFF6-AF3A-45DC-B158-6A5D51BE1AB5_zps2wzojese.jpg)

Crafty Plugged it up when I got home so we'll see how good it is. I did it at 5.00 so I'll check the pressure tomorrow morning to see if it has lost any.
Title: Re: 3rd puncture in 6 months!
Post by: fazersharp on 06 April 2014, 10:49:53 pm
Quote from: dcurzon on 29 March 2014, 07:25:01 pm
You can get puncture insurance for about 120/year, covers up to 3 replacements/year
Sounds a lot to me - so in other words you get two tyre replacments per year as one would be the same as the cover cost.


 I wonder how many of us out there with also a car seem to get more punctures in a bike than a car even when we do more mileage in a car perhaps it to do with the amount of time we are in areas that cars don't touch, even a normal riding position in  the road could be in-between the cars tyres where all the crap gets blown let alone filtering and overtaking
Title: Re: 3rd puncture in 6 months!
Post by: mr self destruct on 07 April 2014, 06:27:12 am
Quote from: mr self destruct on 06 April 2014, 08:20:37 pm
Quote from: Punkstig on 29 March 2014, 08:34:47 am
Craftyplugger
Craftyplugger
Craftyplugger


Went out for a bit of a ride today to buy a tailpack off FuZzBoM and came back with a bit more than I intended.

([url]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v511/jonnyspatter/Bike/3E6FBFF6-AF3A-45DC-B158-6A5D51BE1AB5_zps2wzojese.jpg[/url])

Crafty Plugged it up when I got home so we'll see how good it is. I did it at 5.00 so I'll check the pressure tomorrow morning to see if it has lost any.



UPDATE: no pressure lost so it's good to go!  :D
Title: Re: 3rd puncture in 6 months!
Post by: midden on 08 April 2014, 12:31:15 am
can we not get a picture of the repaired area.   we like pictures  ;)
Title: Re: 3rd puncture in 6 months!
Post by: Timbollew on 08 April 2014, 11:01:24 am
I fixed mine yesterday with a Stopngo plugger kit. I took a video to show how it works I'll post it when I get in.
Title: Re: 3rd puncture in 6 months!
Post by: mr self destruct on 08 April 2014, 09:31:48 pm
Quote from: midden on 08 April 2014, 12:31:15 am
can we not get a picture of the repaired area.   we like pictures  ;)


Here you go.  :D

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v511/jonnyspatter/Bike/6524ED64-4DA6-4D1D-ADA1-475293ED59DD_zpsd6gsdil6.jpg)