Author Topic: headlight upgrade (Read 28938 times)

topgun44 · « **Reply #25 on:** 20 October 2011, 06:04:09 pm »

Quote from: Andy on 18 October 2011, 09:39:03 pm

sorry brother been busy but will do tomorrow

topgun44 · « **Reply #26 on:** 20 October 2011, 06:05:19 pm »

Quote from: Andy on 18 October 2011, 09:39:03 pm

sorry brother been busy but will do tomorrow

any luck with the pic

Andy · « **Reply #27 on:** 20 October 2011, 08:46:34 pm »

4th attempt.....

Andy · « **Reply #28 on:** 20 October 2011, 08:47:37 pm »

lights on need to get white main lights?

Andy · « **Reply #29 on:** 20 October 2011, 08:48:51 pm »

looks a little slanted in pic but its on a side stand and sloping drive............................ Honest!

pointer2null · « **Reply #30 on:** 23 October 2011, 03:12:17 pm »

One other fix you can do is replace the feed to the headlights with better cable. If you bike is anything like mine, then the original wire is thin and shows signs of overheating.

Take the feed (via an inline fuse) direct from the battery to a relay by the light, use the original feed to activate the relay.

Major Rant · « **Reply #31 on:** 03 November 2011, 11:46:17 am »

Folks ... "It came ... it finally came" (to quite "Sid" in Toy Story 1) 28 days from Hong Kong.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/6000K-HID-H4-3-Ballast-Motorcycle-Yamaha-PW-TW-C164-/170664547078?_trksid=p5197.m7&_trkparms=algo%3DLVI%26itu%3DUCI%26otn%3D1%26po%3DLVI%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D3932819787664413200

But it came with no instructions, not even in Chinese!

Question is ... It has an orange shroud over the HID assembly ... Am I supposed to remove that??

It looks suspiciously permanent.

Cheers

Fazerider · « **Reply #32 on:** 03 November 2011, 12:40:11 pm »

Hard to tell without a pic, but I'd guess is it's just a cover to stop sweaty fingerprints getting on the quartz envelope... in which case it should be removed before installation.

Orangegrump · « **Reply #33 on:** 03 November 2011, 04:02:00 pm »

"One other fix you can do is replace the feed to the headlights with better cable. If you bike is anything like mine, then the original wire is thin and shows signs of overheating.

Take the feed (via an inline fuse) direct from the battery to a relay by the light, use the original feed to activate the relay." Hi PTN, What gauge wire and which relay did you use? Thanks

Major Rant · « **Reply #34 on:** 03 November 2011, 08:16:33 pm »

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I'd guess is it's just a cover to stop sweaty fingerprints getting on the quartz envelope

You're right ... I figured it out while trying to assemble the thing into its H4 flange thing.

This is it ... (The shroud on mine is orange - hence the confusion, I thought it was some colour correction thing).

One other 'problem' ... The Quartz envelope is very wobbly on its mounting - so I took the base apart to see why and its SPRING MOUNTED. So it looks like its supposed to wobble. Is that normal ?? (I mean there's a spring mount hidden INSIDE the silver cylinder, not the spring in the pic.

Or have I just got a dose of that legendary Chinese Quality...

?

Boom · « **Reply #35 on:** 04 November 2011, 11:47:17 am »

My fazer is fitted with headlight conversion done by garage, if I can work out how to scan to computer I have full instructions with step by step guide, wiring diagram and what parts you require.

Wayne

Major Rant · « **Reply #36 on:** 05 November 2011, 09:10:47 pm »

I've finally figured this Chinese thing out (arrived in the post after 28 days waiting)

Its an H4 HID - so it has 2 'HID capsules' but only 1 "Ballast".

The Capsules are mounted on a solenoid that waggles them up and down depending on whether you are on dip or main beam.

Apparently that makes it a "Bi- Xenon" ...

Cool, and all for 20 quid.

When I've finished the new "engineered Oak" floor in the hall I'll let you know how I get on.

Deefer666 · « **Reply #37 on:** 06 November 2011, 05:15:16 pm »

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Has anyone had a go with LEDs?

OK as an additional light but as a main source of illumination they are highly illegal, LEDS provide a very clean source of light but the light has very little "spread" so they would be a very concentrated beam.

nickm · « **Reply #38 on:** 06 November 2011, 09:40:31 pm »

Quote from: Andy on 08 October 2011, 08:15:24 pm

My Fazer already had both headlights wired when I bought her so they're both on and it does look 100% better.

I want to do that but always wondered if it was legal...and does it matter on MOT's...

Deefer666 · « **Reply #39 on:** 06 November 2011, 09:53:14 pm »

Yes its legal and if it worris the MOT inspector that much and the conversion is done properly just pull the fuse on the link wire come MOT time.

Captain Haddock · « **Reply #40 on:** 06 November 2011, 10:06:33 pm »

As far as leds are concerned they are far too directional for a main light and not that great for a side light for the same reason, the spectrum is also too restricted to give a good view as lots of colours will just not reflect the light, the same as low pressure sodium streetlights make everything yellow, brown, or invisible, if you're not mugged by a well tanned chinaman forget the ID parade being useful.

Major Rant · « **Reply #41 on:** 07 November 2011, 04:37:47 pm »

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OK as an additional light but as a main source of illumination they are highly illegal,

The real reason that LEDs aren't installed as main light source in mainstream automobiles is that they have problems at the low and high ends off their temperature range.
At -40C they are too bright - now that could be controlled but it would be expensive.
At +125C it is impossible to drive them hard enough to generate enough light without them getting too hot. That could be solved with a refrigerator - again expensive.
So they are 'uncertifiable' for Automotive 'main light' applications.

They did however issue a 'special dispensation' for the Audi R8.

Frankly in the UK you could use them but just don't expect them to work on a hot day in Arizona during a total Eclipse.

Major Rant · « **Reply #42 on:** 27 November 2011, 09:20:35 pm »

It lives !!!

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/6000K-HID-H4-3-Ballast-Motorcycle-Yamaha-PW-TW-C164-/170664547078?_trksid=p5197.m7&_trkparms=algo%3DLVI%26itu%3DUCI%26otn%3D1%26po%3DLVI%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D3932819787664413200

I can confirm that the above £22 Chinese wonder HID works fine , even if it does take 30 days to arrive.

Its just 1 HID capsule and it waggles up and down on a solenoid rocker for dip/main-beam.

Wires direct to the battery with its own fuse, you route the cable harness under the tank, attach the dip and main beam input cables to the green and yellow wires in the box under the tank (I soldered them in cos I hate screw connectors). Tuck the ballast behind the screen next to the rev-counter secured to the right fairing bracket with a cable-tie. Second cable tie round the right hand fairing shelf panel to hold the control box and hold the wiring out of the way of the forks.

No other problems (except one of the connectors can be 'reverse inserted' so its not quite idiot-proof

).

helen · « **Reply #43 on:** 27 November 2011, 09:35:24 pm »

cheapest...a small head torch I reckon

I went for both lights wired on, with uprated bulbs. Haven't ever tried the HID option, bike's so old I'm worried it might fry the wiring!

Major Rant · « **Reply #44 on:** 27 November 2011, 09:50:49 pm »

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bike's so old I'm worried it might fry the wiring

HIDs are lower power than the standard bulbs. 35Watt HID vs 55/60Watt Halogen H4 or H1.
They just emit more light and less heat!

bikerboys · « **Reply #45 on:** 10 February 2012, 06:37:22 pm »

Quote from: Gingernutz on 08 October 2011, 07:52:01 pm

Slaninar - the H1 bulb holder should hold it in but mine didn't either. In the end I used a pared down split wooden clothes peg to brace the holder between the clip and the holder.

I would not trust it got this instead http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Universal-H1-Xenon-HID-Conversion-Kit-Bulb-Holder-/200711664787