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General => General => Topic started by: Val on 08 March 2016, 09:25:52 pm

Title: EU referendum new poll, leave or stay it's your say?
Post by: Val on 08 March 2016, 09:25:52 pm
I just have noticed the old poll has expired and too many people have not got a chance to vote.

Here is your chance use it wisely  :lol

If that is of any help here is my favourite referendum song...again  :rollin :rollin

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBi-KXc0CRk#)

Some facts:

55% of the UK export goes to the EU. 7% of the export of rest of the EU goes to the UK.

Italians don't drink cappuccino after 11 AM.

P.S. The new poll is much more democratic from the old one. You can change your vote at any time.

P.P.S. I also have a paypal account if somebody wants to change anything here  :lol
Title: Re: EU referendum new poll, leave or stay it's your say?
Post by: Frosties on 09 March 2016, 09:17:04 am
Feckin leave quick - not justifying my choice either  :thumbup
Title: Re: EU referendum new poll, leave or stay it's your say?
Post by: Oldgit on 09 March 2016, 03:10:51 pm
I beg to leave.
Title: Re: EU referendum new poll, leave or stay it's your say?
Post by: joebloggs on 09 March 2016, 04:00:38 pm
Leave and get rid of the focin lazy east Europeans before they ruin our industries (foccers may turn up every day but you try to get any work out of most of them) A local Polish business owner used to work for the same company as myself and during a conversation he suggested that the company would go under if something wasn't done about the work ethic of his fellow countrymen

A couple of years ago I was on final assembly at an engineering company and had no parts sub assembled due to the lazy foccers attitude, I smacked the ringleader on the workshop floor in front of everyone else, my manager saw nothing, focers got on building after that. 






Title: Re: EU referendum new poll, leave or stay it's your say?
Post by: mr self destruct on 09 March 2016, 07:05:53 pm
Stay, until someone can give me some actual facts about what will happen if we leave. Not mere conjecture based on inherent racism or xenophobia.
Title: Re: EU referendum new poll, leave or stay it's your say?
Post by: slappy on 09 March 2016, 09:03:30 pm
Quote from: mr self destruct on 09 March 2016, 07:05:53 pm
Stay, until someone can give me some actual facts about what will happen if we leave. Not mere conjecture based on inherent racism or xenophobia.


How about some actual facts about what will happen if we stay as well, and just because people wish to leave does not mean they are racist.
Title: Re: EU referendum new poll, leave or stay it's your say?
Post by: david095 on 09 March 2016, 09:04:24 pm
Quote from: mr self destruct on 09 March 2016, 07:05:53 pm
Stay, until someone can give me some actual facts about what will happen if we leave. Not mere conjecture based on inherent racism or xenophobia.

surely that statement itself is based on 'mere conjecture'?
Title: Re: EU referendum new poll, leave or stay it's your say?
Post by: alan09 on 09 March 2016, 09:38:58 pm
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Title: Re: EU referendum new poll, leave or stay it's your say?
Post by: fazersharp on 09 March 2016, 10:35:10 pm
Well if its a stay vote its me that will be leaving---------to France where they don't give a shit and do what they want anyway
Title: Re: EU referendum new poll, leave or stay it's your say?
Post by: Phil on 09 March 2016, 10:43:53 pm
Quote from: Val on 08 March 2016, 09:25:52 pm

Some facts:

55% of the UK export goes to the EU. 7% of the export of rest of the EU goes to the UK.
 

Where do these facts come from? If true, we certainly do trade a lot with the EU.
Title: Re: EU referendum new poll, leave or stay it's your say?
Post by: Phil on 09 March 2016, 10:49:55 pm
I've been following what the bookies are offering on this.
http://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/eu-referendum/referendum-on-eu-membership-result (http://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/eu-referendum/referendum-on-eu-membership-result)

Overall the odds are around;

stay 1/3
leave 9/4

That's not even close.

Are a lot of people betting we will stay? The few forum polls like here I've seen are mostly favouring leaving.

Title: Re: EU referendum new poll, leave or stay it's your say?
Post by: fazersharp on 09 March 2016, 11:05:31 pm
Quote from: Phil on 09 March 2016, 10:43:53 pm
Quote from: Val on 08 March 2016, 09:25:52 pm

Some facts:

55% of the UK export goes to the EU. 7% of the export of rest of the EU goes to the UK.
 

Where do these facts come from? If true, we certainly do trade a lot with the EU.
As on both sides of the argument the statistics are bent
But whenever you see this argument they always talk on the whole and out of that 55% (if you belive it) we dont export to MR EU but we export to Germany, Italy , France and so on.
 
And the 7% --( oooh sounds small) they export to us still amounts to more £ than we export -- so in a nut shell they need us more than we need them, so it will be in their better interest to arrange new trade agreements and quickly and this time WE will set the trems.
Title: Re: EU referendum new poll, leave or stay it's your say?
Post by: mtread on 09 March 2016, 11:30:45 pm
<quote>Are a lot of people betting we will stay? The few forum polls like here I've seen are mostly favouring leaving. <\quote>
Have you ever seen a poor bookmaker?
Title: Re: EU referendum new poll, leave or stay it's your say?
Post by: celticdog on 09 March 2016, 11:49:54 pm
Quote from: mtread on 09 March 2016, 11:30:45 pm
<quote>Are a lot of people betting we will stay? The few forum polls like here I've seen are mostly favouring leaving. <\quote>
Have you ever seen a poor bookmaker?


You're right. The leave camp will put up a good fight but people being people will bottle it at the last minute, that's exactly what happened in Scotland with the independence referendum.
Title: Re: EU referendum new poll, leave or stay it's your say?
Post by: HarryHornby on 10 March 2016, 07:23:09 am
I fear you are right there  :(   But it's ok, if it is a stay vote, just like (some of) the Scots we can just whinge, whine and go on about having a second referendum to get the result "we" want.
Title: Re: EU referendum new poll, leave or stay it's your say?
Post by: celticdog on 10 March 2016, 07:44:21 am
Quote from: HarryHornby on 10 March 2016, 07:23:09 am
I fear you are right there  :(   But it's ok, if it is a stay vote, just like (some of) the Scots we can just whinge, whine and go on about having a second referendum to get the result "we" want.


Yep. The same thing happened in Ireland. They (The EU) didn't get the result they wanted with the treaty of Lisbon referendum so they just reran it 16 months later. 
Title: Re: EU referendum new poll, leave or stay it's your say?
Post by: mr self destruct on 10 March 2016, 06:28:34 pm
Quote from: slappy on 09 March 2016, 09:03:30 pm
How about some actual facts about what will happen if we stay as well, and just because people wish to leave does not mean they are racist.
Quote from: david095 on 09 March 2016, 09:04:24 pm
surely that statement itself is based on 'mere conjecture'?

Both good points. I don't mean that to want to leave the EU automatically implies a voter is racist, rather that (as I said in the previous poll) the campaigners are doing nothing but promote fear of foreigners to whip up support to leave.
And of course my statement is based on conjecture, but I feel it's backed up to a certain extent by the fact that we're already in the EU, so have more of an idea of what will happen based on the past. But I'll freely admit that's not necessarily an indicator of the future.
Title: Re: EU referendum new poll, leave or stay it's your say?
Post by: nickodemon on 10 March 2016, 09:30:48 pm
Quote from: fazersharp on 09 March 2016, 10:35:10 pm
Well if its a stay vote its me that will be leaving---------to France where they don't give a shit and do what they want anyway
Hmmmm......... The French are sick of all the African immigrants who now are french nationals, and now they have all the eastern european immigrants and the latest immigrants from syria and afghanistan... The French really are in control.. NOT
Title: Re: EU referendum new poll, leave or stay it's your say?
Post by: dazza on 11 March 2016, 07:25:02 pm
If you only ever needed one reason to leave the EU, this is it IMO.....https://www.facebook.com/AntiEUNet/videos/1025122807560895/ (https://www.facebook.com/AntiEUNet/videos/1025122807560895/)
Title: Re: EU referendum new poll, leave or stay it's your say?
Post by: alan09 on 12 March 2016, 10:23:40 am
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Title: Re: EU referendum new poll, leave or stay it's your say?
Post by: Grahamm on 13 March 2016, 08:47:58 pm
Here's some comments from the Civitas think tank (which is not affiliated to any party) which bust a lot of the myths about the EU.

http://www.eu-facts.org.uk/the-referendum-debate/arguments-by-topic/ (http://www.eu-facts.org.uk/the-referendum-debate/arguments-by-topic/)
Title: Re: EU referendum new poll, leave or stay it's your say?
Post by: johnakay on 14 March 2016, 04:08:28 pm
if we vote to stay no way can we leave in the future. so I'm told
Title: Re: EU referendum new poll, leave or stay it's your say?
Post by: Val on 14 March 2016, 05:41:55 pm
Quote from: johnakay on 14 March 2016, 04:08:28 pm
if we vote to stay no way can we leave in the future. so I'm told


UK can leave at any time:

Quote from: 2007 Lisbon treaty Article 50
“Any Member State may decide to withdraw from the Union in accordance with its own constitutional requirements.”                                                                                                           Article 50, Treaty on European Union
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I've got this from Grahamm's link
Quote from: Grahamm on 13 March 2016, 08:47:58 pm
Here's some comments from the Civitas think tank (which is not affiliated to any party) which bust a lot of the myths about the EU.

[url]http://www.eu-facts.org.uk/the-referendum-debate/arguments-by-topic/[/url] ([url]http://www.eu-facts.org.uk/the-referendum-debate/arguments-by-topic/[/url])


That is interesting unbiased reading.

And it answers Boris Johnson's idea:

Quote
There are two further issues of interest. The article only requires the withdrawal agreement to take into account the EU’s future relationship with the exiting state, so there is no guarantee that on leaving the EU that there will be a deal regarding future trade or political relations. Secondly, it is not stated that a country can cancel its decision to leave, meaning there is potential for the EU to force out the country that has opted to leave even if they changed their mind.


 
Title: Re: EU referendum new poll, leave or stay it's your say?
Post by: Robbie8666 on 23 March 2016, 08:00:31 am
in the words of a classic!!

Should I stay or should I go now?
 Should I stay or should I go now?
 If I go there will be trouble
 An' if I stay it will be double
 So come on and let me know!!
Title: Re: EU referendum new poll, leave or stay it's your say?
Post by: Val on 05 April 2016, 12:42:39 am
Quote from: Robbie8666 on 23 March 2016, 08:00:31 am
in the words of a classic!!

Should I stay or should I go now?
 Should I stay or should I go now?
 If I go there will be trouble
 An' if I stay it will be double
 So come on and let me know!!


 :rollin

Seriously though Brexit could cost UK economy £100 billion and 950,000 jobs by 2020:

http://news.cbi.org.uk/news/leaving-eu-would-cause-a-serious-shock-to-uk-economy-new-pwc-analysis/ (http://news.cbi.org.uk/news/leaving-eu-would-cause-a-serious-shock-to-uk-economy-new-pwc-analysis/)

Title: Re: EU referendum new poll, leave or stay it's your say?
Post by: fazersharp on 05 April 2016, 08:15:19 am
I am getting a little fed up with the stay-in language used, its always wishy-washy and kind of leaving themselves room to backtrack so they don't look stupid when nothing bad happens. By the time I have drank my morning coffee here is a little collection I have found, I didnt have to look far as most of it I found in Vals link.
   
 cause a shock
 potential
negative echoes
negative impact
negative fallout
potential impact
difficult
economic disruption
Could cost
decisions delayed
risk to financial stability
potential reduction
rethink future investment decisions
event
reverberate
negative consequences on investment
a blow
alarmed about a potential