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General => General => Topic started by: steve 10562cc on 12 May 2020, 06:28:39 am
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The same new rules apply to motorcycles as cars from Wednesday according to MCN reports. We can now ride to open spaces with no distance restrctions, providing we do not leave England and cross the borders of Wales & Scotland. where the restrictions still apply. We must still apply the 2mtr rule though, so peeps use your common sense, don't gather in large groups, obey the rules, keep the rubber side down, watch out for dozy cagers and stay safe.
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Yep, that's the way I read it.
A nice steady bimble, and as you say, stay safe.
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I live in Scotland, but I am a citizen of the UK, and I consider myself a Brit, can I come out and play on my motorbike.
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I live in Scotland, but I am a citizen of the UK, and I consider myself a Brit, can I come out and play on my motorbike.
No, the same as England residents can't travel to Scotland or Wales. Your forces ANPR will know from your reg. that you are a resident of Scotland and shouldn't be out, the same as my reg. would be recognised as non resident, and shouldn't be there. There's a golf course on the Eng/Wales border, with 3 holes in England, the rest in Wales :lol . It's a weird situation for sure.
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You could always go out on your bike , to go to work, shops, medical -----blah blah.
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You could always go out on your bike , to go to work, shops, medical -----blah blah.
No and you're inciting him to break Scottish law :evil which is an offence under English and Scotish Law oops
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You could always go out on your bike , to go to work, shops, medical -----blah blah.
No and you're inciting him to break Scottish law :evil which is an offence under English and Scotish Law oops
I was referring to England
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The same new rules apply to motorcycles as cars from Wednesday according to MCN reports. We can now ride to open spaces with no distance restrctions, providing we do not leave England and cross the borders of Wales & Scotland. where the restrictions still apply. We must still apply the 2mtr rule though, so peeps use your common sense, don't gather in large groups, obey the rules, keep the rubber side down, watch out for dozy cagers and stay safe.
And bastard potholes, don't forget they haven't been fixed, and there are probably new ones too. :rolleyes
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Still waiting to get my new chain and sprockets fitted... but once they're on I'll be out riding as much as possible 😎
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I thought this update from Bennetts (https://www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/news-and-views/news/2020/may/can-i-ride-motorcycle-during-coronavirus-pandemic) could be interesting for some of us .
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You could always go out on your bike , to go to work, shops, medical -----blah blah.
No and you're inciting him to break Scottish law :evil which is an offence under English and Scotish Law oops
There has never been anything to say you cannot use a motorbike to carry out essential journeys and it is certainly not against the law. It is a high (compared to taking the car) risk activity that any sensible person would avoid though at the moment if they could.
Non-essential journeys on the other hand...…...
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I live in Scotland, but I am a citizen of the UK, and I consider myself a Brit, can I come out and play on my motorbike.
Naw, stay at home ye oldgot. That was just the PM of England speaking.
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There has never been anything to say you cannot use a motorbike to carry out essential journeys and it is certainly not against the law. It is a high (compared to taking the car) risk activity that any sensible person would avoid though at the moment if they could.
Non-essential journeys on the other hand...…...
The point here mate is, in Wales you still can't go to work they remain in lockdown, so this chap can't go to work in England as he's still in lockdown in Wales. Or that's what the emergency law/measures state................... or can he confusing!
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The point here mate is, in Wales you still can't go to work they remain in lockdown, so this chap can't go to work in England as he's still in lockdown in Wales. Or that's what the emergency law/measures state................... or can he confusing!
The thing people keep misquoting the most.
They have NEVER said you cannot go to work. What they have always said is that you should work from home unless you cannot. Common sense shut most places down as people couldn't socially distance. Some industries have been forced to shut, but most shut voluntarily.
The change in message on Sunday was to try to make people realise that HMG do not have a bottomless bucket of money to pay for all the lazy sods who could work SAFELY but chose to sit at home instead claiming their 80%
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They have NEVER said you cannot go to work.
If you life in Wales (this chap does) the current law is stay at home. Don't go to work unless it's essential work (government list) and only go out once a day locally for food or exercise. Work from home if you can or if not you're furloughed, laid off if PAYE or just twiddling your thumbs if self employed. This chap was staying at home so presumably, he's not doing essential work, he can't work from home as he now thinks he's got to go in hence his post and he can't be laid off or he wouldn't have a job to go back to. Unless he's got a new job but he can't work from home as he needs to go to work in England.
This chaps job is located in England he lives in Wales, since today there're 2 different laws in operation. Currently living in Wales he can't leave his house unless his work is essential, it can't be as was staying home, now saying under Boris new plan for England he needs to go to work, so he must have been staying at home furloughed, or if self employed living off savings as I don't believe they get any money until June.
Common sense doesn't come into to it if you're living in Wales he can't go out, except for the above, which by definition he doesn't qualify or he'd not be asking the question.
but most shut voluntarily.
No, unless you were on the essential work list e.g. NHS, Police, Fire, gas fitters, maintenance/repair, supermarket worker, delivery driver, postman etc or couldn't work from home, you was shut down. That changed only today after Boris announcement on Sunday.
The change in message on Sunday was to try to make people realise that HMG do not have a bottomless bucket of money to pay for all the lazy sods who could work SAFELY but chose to sit at home instead claiming their 80%
Really, I don't think so, or if it is the government is lying again. So everybody who's been furloughed is really just a lazy sod................Hmmm interesting. I'm not furloughed and have been working, my Mrs has been, are you saying my Mrs is a lazy sod and everybody else who's been furloughed?
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1. Some firms shut because they were ordered to (pubs, cinema, non-essential shops etc- staff furloughed
2. some shut because they had no work as a result (commercial cleaners that speacialised in cinemas etc) - staff furloughed
3. Some shut as they were not safe initially to continue (Bentley cars etc) then gradually reopened as they made working space safe etc - staff furloughed initially
4. Some shut because they misinterpreted what was said - poor management - staff furloughed
5. Some shut because they were on the ropes already and used it as an excuse - poor management - staff furloughed
At no point did the government say do not do to work unless it is essential In fact the welsh wording is …..
With the exception of the organisations covered in the guidance on businesses closures the government has not required any other businesses to close – indeed it is important for business to carry on. However, new requirements came into force on 7 April which means that all businesses and persons responsible for work which is being carried out on premises to take all reasonable measures to ensure that 2 metres distance is kept between all people on those premises (except members of the same household e.g. where a tradesperson is carrying out repairs in someone’s home). This includes work being carried out both indoors and outdoors.
This can be seen here https://gov.wales/staying-home-and-away-others-guidance#section-39182
A lot of people tool this to mean essential work only to be carried out when in fact it wasn't.
Now the government is trying to get people to go back that fall into category 3, 4 & 5 above by trying to make it clearer. Any that can, should, if it is safe to do so. As such, it is only people that CANNOT do their job safely or falls into 1 & 2 above that should be staying at home 100% of the time claiming the furlough.
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This chaps job is located in England he lives in Wales, since today there're 2 different laws in operation. Currently living in Wales he can't leave his house unless his work is essential, it can't be as was staying home, now saying under Boris new plan for England he needs to go to work, so he must have been staying at home furloughed, or if self employed living off savings as I don't believe they get any money until June.
Common sense doesn't come into to it if you're living in Wales he can't go out, except for the above, which by definition he doesn't qualify or he'd not be asking the question.
Common sense would say that he passes the problem onto his employers and ask them. If they say he must come in then I suggest the way forward is to ask them to provide a headed letter that he can carry if in the very unlikely event that he is jumped out upon by a copper disguised as a sheep on the Welsh English border.
No, unless you were on the essential work list e.g. NHS, Police, Fire, gas fitters, maintenance/repair, supermarket worker, delivery driver, postman etc or couldn't work from home, you was shut down. That changed only today after Boris announcement on Sunday.
You missed construction workers who were allowed to work but what happened was that it was the workers that started to get worried and did not want to come in to work.
So everybody who's been furloughed is really just a lazy sod................Hmmm interesting. I'm not furloughed and have been working, my Mrs has been, are you saying my Mrs is a lazy sod and everybody else who's been furloughed?
Not lazy but within my circle I do not know one person who is not happy being given 80% of their wages to stay at home, the government are going to have a problem weaning people off this.
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1. Some firms shut because they were ordered to (pubs, cinema, non-essential shops etc- staff furloughed
2. some shut because they had no work as a result (commercial cleaners that speacialised in cinemas etc) - staff furloughed
3. Some shut as they were not safe initially to continue (Bentley cars etc) then gradually reopened as they made working space safe etc - staff furloughed initially
4. Some shut because they misinterpreted what was said - poor management - staff furloughed
5. Some shut because they were on the ropes already and used it as an excuse - poor management - staff furloughed
At no point did the government say do not do to work unless it is essential In fact the welsh wording is …..
With the exception of the organisations covered in the guidance on businesses closures the government has not required any other businesses to close – indeed it is important for business to carry on. However, new requirements came into force on 7 April which means that all businesses and persons responsible for work which is being carried out on premises to take all reasonable measures to ensure that 2 metres distance is kept between all people on those premises (except members of the same household e.g. where a tradesperson is carrying out repairs in someone’s home). This includes work being carried out both indoors and outdoors.
This can be seen here https://gov.wales/staying-home-and-away-others-guidance#section-39182 (https://gov.wales/staying-home-and-away-others-guidance#section-39182)
A lot of people tool this to mean essential work only to be carried out when in fact it wasn't.
Now the government is trying to get people to go back that fall into category 3, 4 & 5 above by trying to make it clearer. Any that can, should, if it is safe to do so. As such, it is only people that CANNOT do their job safely or falls into 1 & 2 above that should be staying at home 100% of the time claiming the furlough.
It matters not, what of your interpreted categories you think he falls in, they yours not the emergency measures. The list the Welch government closed is the same as in England at the time and is extensive https://gov.wales/coronavirus-covid-19-closure-businesses-and-premises (https://gov.wales/coronavirus-covid-19-closure-businesses-and-premises) there would alosbe other business that couldn't operate as something they or supplied went to a business that was shut, so by definition they can't continue trading. Or perhaps their all lazy sods too?
The chap works in whatever business in England that was shut for whatever reason, he now needs to go back to work in England due to the changes in England, it couldn't by definition be essential or directly/indirectly working for or supplying an essential business or he wouldn't have been off.
This issue here is and is all part of the utter confusion Boris and the English government has now crated is Wales is still under one set of rules and England under another, hence the post. Confusion end of.
And are you still saying my Mrs and everybody else that's furloughed is lazy sod, as you've conveniently dodged that question?
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This issue here is and is all part of the utter confusion Boris and the English government has now crated is Wales is still under one set of rules and England under another, hence the post. Confusion end of.
Its a mess but getting out of this lockdown is going to be a lot harder than getting into it. There must be 100's of similar scenario's. How would you suggest that this particular one is sorted, should England of waited until Wales and Scotland were in a position to do the same.
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Its a mess but getting out of this lockdown is going to be a lot harder than getting into it. There must be 100's of similar scenario's. How would you suggest that this particular one is sorted, should England of waited until Wales and Scotland were in a position to do the same.
I'm not a big fan of devolution, not that NI, Scotland, Wales should have their own identities, they should and this has in my opinion made us, the British people what we are. The current serious situation has exposed all manner of failings and weakness, we in the UK have, devolution being one as we now have the ridiculous situation of England doing one thing while the other 3 are doing another.
It'a also transpires, according to Mrs Cranky, Boris didn't tell them about his new plan or not staying home, which doesn't surprise me, Boris being Boris. Yes I think we in the UK should all move in step, and go with the majority, as by doing different things we're weakening each other and increasing risk. It's not clear what consultation has occurred, Boris is saying they did, Cranky is saying opposite not sure what NI or Wales have said on it, on balance I'd tend to believe Cranky on this one.
If Boris had a good evidence, to support his new policy the others would have moved in step, clearly he hasn't and/or he didn't consult them. either way it's now a mess, why Boris!
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1. Some firms shut because they were ordered to (pubs, cinema, non-essential shops etc- staff furloughed
2. some shut because they had no work as a result (commercial cleaners that speacialised in cinemas etc) - staff furloughed
3. Some shut as they were not safe initially to continue (Bentley cars etc) then gradually reopened as they made working space safe etc - staff furloughed initially
4. Some shut because they misinterpreted what was said - poor management - staff furloughed
5. Some shut because they were on the ropes already and used it as an excuse - poor management - staff furloughed
At no point did the government say do not do to work unless it is essential In fact the welsh wording is …..
With the exception of the organisations covered in the guidance on businesses closures the government has not required any other businesses to close – indeed it is important for business to carry on. However, new requirements came into force on 7 April which means that all businesses and persons responsible for work which is being carried out on premises to take all reasonable measures to ensure that 2 metres distance is kept between all people on those premises (except members of the same household e.g. where a tradesperson is carrying out repairs in someone’s home). This includes work being carried out both indoors and outdoors.
This can be seen here https://gov.wales/staying-home-and-away-others-guidance#section-39182 (https://gov.wales/staying-home-and-away-others-guidance#section-39182)
A lot of people tool this to mean essential work only to be carried out when in fact it wasn't.
Now the government is trying to get people to go back that fall into category 3, 4 & 5 above by trying to make it clearer. Any that can, should, if it is safe to do so. As such, it is only people that CANNOT do their job safely or falls into 1 & 2 above that should be staying at home 100% of the time claiming the furlough.
It matters not, what of your interpreted categories you think he falls in, they yours not the emergency measures. The list the Welch government closed is the same as in England at the time and is extensive https://gov.wales/coronavirus-covid-19-closure-businesses-and-premises (https://gov.wales/coronavirus-covid-19-closure-businesses-and-premises) there would alosbe other business that couldn't operate as something they or supplied went to a business that was shut, so by definition they can't continue trading. Or perhaps their all lazy sods too?
The chap works in whatever business in England that was shut for whatever reason, he now needs to go back to work in England due to the changes in England, it couldn't by definition be essential or directly/indirectly working for or supplying an essential business or he wouldn't have been off.
This issue here is and is all part of the utter confusion Boris and the English government has now crated is Wales is still under one set of rules and England under another, hence the post. Confusion end of.
And are you still saying my Mrs and everybody else that's furloughed is lazy sod, as you've conveniently dodged that question?
Gnasher - I provided a link to the welsh assembly wording. The UK wording is very similar. Only certain businesses were forced to close. Others chose to close for a variety of reasons. As for the "lazy sods" comment, read it again. I actually said " the lazy sods who could work SAFELY but chose to sit at home". The key word there is "chose". i.e wont go back to work even though they could.
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Gnasher - I provided a link to the welsh assembly wording. The UK wording is very similar. Only certain businesses were forced to close. Others chose to close for a variety of reasons. As for the "lazy sods" comment, read it again. I actually said " the lazy sods who could work SAFELY but chose to sit at home". The key word there is "chose". i.e wont go back to work even though they could.
BBrown1664
Your selection of words and the context in how it is meant is open to interpretation, well sort of. The phase "but chose to sit at home" and your on the word 'chose' is implying it was a choice made by someone who's been furloughed. They had no input in that decision what so ever i.e. no choice. They were furloughed by either their employer or forced to close as self employed by direct closure of their workplace or business by the government, they no choice. Neither do they have any choice of staying on furlough, if their work place reopens they go back to work, if after July they don't the employer will have to support the furlough cost, these as yet haven't been announced. If an employer is working a flanker they'll have to start paying for it, the employee has no input or choice what so ever.
Your play with words is utter bollocks and you know it.
I repeat my question are you still saying my Mrs and all those furloughed are and for your benefit choosing to be lazy sods?
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Will you lot foc off out of this thread with your political shite, this thread was started by the OP as to remind people they could just go out on their bike for a ride if they chose to do so.
Take your playground squabbles elsewhere, there have been enough threads ruined on this forum already. :stop and :foc
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Will you lot foc off out of this thread with your political shite, this thread was started by the OP as to remind people they could just go out on their bike for a ride if they chose to do so.
Take your playground squabbles elsewhere, there have been enough threads ruined on this forum already. :stop and :foc
The reason this thread is here fella is because of politics :lol :lol so :foc :D
But yes you've got a point ;) :)
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Will you lot foc off out of this thread with your political shite, this thread was started by the OP as to remind people they could just go out on their bike for a ride if they chose to do so.
May I correct that for you;
this thread was started by the OP as to remind people who live in England they could just go out on their bike for a ride in England if they chose to do so
Happy to help you out with that Slappy 8)
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I can assure every one that my intentions were to just remind people they could go out on their bikes today without fear of being pulled by the police just for being on a bike. Not to wind our fellow the Scottish & Welsh riders up, unlike some, I have more constructive things to do. No mine has stayed in the garage today but it won't tomorrow. Had to take my dog over the fields he exercises in but hasn't been able to go there as I've been sticking to the lock down and not driving my cage.
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Gnasher, you obviously have an issue with something. From what you say, your wife is not one of the lazy sods as she doesnt have a choice. Satisfied?
Others who run small businesses who have decided to close their business and grab the money for nothing on the other hand....
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1. Some firms shut because they were ordered to (pubs, cinema, non-essential shops etc- staff furloughed
2. some shut because they had no work as a result (commercial cleaners that speacialised in cinemas etc) - staff furloughed
3. Some shut as they were not safe initially to continue (Bentley cars etc) then gradually reopened as they made working space safe etc - staff furloughed initially
4. Some shut because they misinterpreted what was said - poor management - staff furloughed
5. Some shut because they were on the ropes already and used it as an excuse - poor management - staff furloughed
Some laid off their staff and told them to "get jobs at Tesco" until a massive public backlash forced them to backtrack...
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I can assure every one that my intentions were to just remind people they could go out on their bikes today without fear of being pulled by the police just for being on a bike.
Get out there and enjoy. :thumbup
I'm looking forward to the day I can do likewise. Though I do get to ride to and from work every other week.
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I want to go to work.....but it's closed. :'(
Wait until the weekend when a massive amount of wankers will probably be the cause of a second wave and reignite the whole thing again.
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1. Some firms shut because they were ordered to (pubs, cinema, non-essential shops etc- staff furloughed
2. some shut because they had no work as a result (commercial cleaners that speacialised in cinemas etc) - staff furloughed
3. Some shut as they were not safe initially to continue (Bentley cars etc) then gradually reopened as they made working space safe etc - staff furloughed initially
4. Some shut because they misinterpreted what was said - poor management - staff furloughed
5. Some shut because they were on the ropes already and used it as an excuse - poor management - staff furloughed
Some laid off their staff and told them to "get jobs at Tesco" until a massive public backlash forced them to backtrack...
That is not how it was said, Can't be arsed to find the exact quote but it was along the lines of "please you are welcome to go and get a job at tescos or something to keep a good income and your job will be waiting for you when you return".
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1. Some firms shut because they were ordered to (pubs, cinema, non-essential shops etc- staff furloughed
2. some shut because they had no work as a result (commercial cleaners that speacialised in cinemas etc) - staff furloughed
3. Some shut as they were not safe initially to continue (Bentley cars etc) then gradually reopened as they made working space safe etc - staff furloughed initially
4. Some shut because they misinterpreted what was said - poor management - staff furloughed
5. Some shut because they were on the ropes already and used it as an excuse - poor management - staff furloughed
Some laid off their staff and told them to "get jobs at Tesco" until a massive public backlash forced them to backtrack...
That is not how it was said, Can't be arsed to find the exact quote but it was along the lines of "please you are welcome to go and get a job at tescos or something to keep a good income and your job will be waiting for you when you return".
Tim Martin - Wetherspoons
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1. Some firms shut because they were ordered to (pubs, cinema, non-essential shops etc- staff furloughed
2. some shut because they had no work as a result (commercial cleaners that speacialised in cinemas etc) - staff furloughed
3. Some shut as they were not safe initially to continue (Bentley cars etc) then gradually reopened as they made working space safe etc - staff furloughed initially
4. Some shut because they misinterpreted what was said - poor management - staff furloughed
5. Some shut because they were on the ropes already and used it as an excuse - poor management - staff furloughed
Some laid off their staff and told them to "get jobs at Tesco" until a massive public backlash forced them to backtrack...
That is not how it was said, Can't be arsed to find the exact quote but it was along the lines of "please you are welcome to go and get a job at tescos or something to keep a good income and your job will be waiting for you when you return".
Tim Martin - Wetherspoons
Oh yes I knew who it was its just the exact words that he said that I cant be arsed to find, If Grahamm comes back with another false quote I will have to go and find it.
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If the people gather in mass at beauty spots, beaches, etc and don't keep to social distancing we will be back to lockdown. As a group we who ride bikes can do our bit, go out and enjoy your rides but use your common sense don't gather in large groups and when you do stop observe social distancing let us not be the ones blamed for another lock down. We are a small group of the public so easy for the masses to blame.
ENJOY YOUR RIDES, KEEP THE RUBBER SIDE DOWN, BE SAFE
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Grahamm comes back with another false quote
Grahamm spreading fake news? :eek :eek . I can't believe it.....literally ;)
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If the people gather in mass at beauty spots, beaches, etc and don't keep to social distancing we will be back to lockdown. As a group we who ride bikes can do our bit, go out and enjoy your rides but use your common sense don't gather in large groups and when you do stop observe social distancing let us not be the ones blamed for another lock down. We are a small group of the public so easy for the masses to blame.
ENJOY YOUR RIDES, KEEP THE RUBBER SIDE DOWN, BE SAFE
I don't usually go and ride to a biker spot and get off, I just go out for a ride and come back. There used to be a big bike meet near me once a week mid week that was interesting to go to but never understood how people would just ride directly to it and get off and wander around, for me it would be a quick stop off on my way home of an evening out.
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That is not how it was said, Can't be arsed to find the exact quote but it was along the lines of "please you are welcome to go and get a job at tescos or something to keep a good income and your job will be waiting for you when you return".
I think you'll find it was 'Drink, Feck, Girls'
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some people are Richard Branson.
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Gnasher, you obviously have an issue with something. From what you say, your wife is not one of the lazy sods as she doesnt have a choice. Satisfied?
Others who run small businesses who have decided to close their business and grab the money for nothing on the other hand....
BBROWN1664
My issue as you put it, is people who make ridiculous bigoted and slanderous comments about others, based on small minded attitudes and biased opinions.
Judging from your last statement
Others who run small businesses who have decided to close their business and grab the money for nothing on the other hand....
I put it to you, it's you who's got an issue, perhaps you're a failed businessman or just don't like the fact others have skills or abilities you don't have and they can make money out of them. Or is it you're just too lazy or unskilled to try? You're persistence in still making bigoted and slanderous comments about the small businesses now, is noted and I'm/we're assuming you have some kind of evidence or proof in these accusations, or did you just make them up based on small minded and clearly biased attitude you have towards people running small businesses?
The real and pressing question has now to be are you really fit to be an Administrator with such bigoted views? I'd argue you're not.
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some people are Richard Branson.
Is that rhyming slang? If so I can't work it out :D
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I know a Richard The 3rd :lol
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The real and pressing question has now to be are you really fit to be an Administrator with such bigoted views? I'd argue you're not.
You're not angling for the job are you Gnasher? :eek . None of our posts will last on here for more than 5 foccin minutes unless they happen to chime with your opinion :'( .
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Gnasher, you obviously have an issue with something. From what you say, your wife is not one of the lazy sods as she doesnt have a choice. Satisfied?
Others who run small businesses who have decided to close their business and grab the money for nothing on the other hand....
BBROWN1664
My issue as you put it, is people who make ridiculous bigoted and slanderous comments about others, based on small minded attitudes and biased opinions.
Judging from your last statement
Others who run small businesses who have decided to close their business and grab the money for nothing on the other hand....
I put it to you, it's you who's got an issue, perhaps you're a failed businessman or just don't like the fact others have skills or abilities you don't have and they can make money out of them. Or is it you're just too lazy or unskilled to try? You're persistence in still making bigoted and slanderous comments about the small businesses now, is noted and I'm/we're assuming you have some kind of evidence or proof in these accusations, or did you just make them up based on small minded and clearly biased attitude you have towards people running small businesses?
The real and pressing question has now to be are you really fit to be an Administrator with such bigoted views? I'd argue you're not.
You're crossing the line here. Stop taking offence where none is intended, stop creating arguments where none exist. Grow up.
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You're crossing the line here. Stop taking offence where none is intended, stop creating arguments where none exist. Grow up.
Really, :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
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You're not angling for the job are you Gnasher? :eek . None of our posts will last on here for more than 5 foccin minutes unless they happen to chime with your opinion :'( .
:rollin :rollin
No mate, not at all. As stated I get pissed when people make bigoted statements, based on some obvious personnel small minded attitudes. In this case sweeping statement about those furloughed are lazy because they've chosen to be etc, especially when my Mrs is one of millions currently furloughed, others who own or run small business on here can speak for themselves should they so wish.
Now had BBROWN1664 in his first reply just said, I'm not referring to your Mrs mate sorry or something, that would have been it.
But no some load of old clap trap trying to defend an offensiveness statement, playing with the word chose, utter bollocks. If people like agricola are happy to allow people to talk about their Mrs as some kind of scrounger, that's his business, I'm not.
If the cap fit's wear it!
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Gnasher, you obviously have an issue with something. From what you say, your wife is not one of the lazy sods as she doesnt have a choice. Satisfied? Others who run small businesses who have decided to close their business and grab the money for nothing on the other hand....
Just to bring some facts into this....
Nobody who is furloughed is by their own choice. The decision is made by the employer, not the employee. As admitted by a government minister yesterday, many furloughed employees do not yet realise they will not have a job to go back to. When furlough ends they will be made redundant as the company contracts.
Small Businesses who pay tax under self assessment can carry on working (if possible). The grant is to cover loss of business from 1% to 100%. So why would they 'decide to close their business' unless they actually had to?
Small businesses which are limited companies get nothing, other than an interest free repayable loan
As I said, just a few non political facts amongst a fog of nonsense. :b
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Gnasher - One company I know of has furloughed half their staff. Nothing to do with Covid19, just because they saw it as a way of saving some money (no idea how) with the idea that the back log of work done by manufacturing will be moved to the finishing area instead. Prior to Covid, the backlog was building up and finishing were keeping up with the work they were being passed with a small buffer inbetween the two areas. Now they want to build up the buffer so furloughed the finishers for a couple of weeks.
For what its worth, I am not furloughed. I have a good job and have been as busy as pre-Covid, or even busier as the customer I am working with at the moment is pushing a lot of work our way that is Covid related or can be done without site visits
Mtread - Some small businesses where the "employee" is also the "employer" ie a director with a salary rather than from the dividends alone have shut themselves down unnecessarily so fall into the category ecasue they misunderstood the need to close
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Mtread - Some small businesses where the "employee" is also the "employer" ie a director with a salary rather than from the dividends alone have shut themselves down unnecessarily so fall into the category ecasue they misunderstood the need to close
Sorry, I don't understand that. All self employed limited companies pay themselves a minimal salary (usually the £12500 freepay allowance) and take the rest in dividends. Why would they shut themselves down because of that? They can furlough the director (themselves), and claim 80% of 12500, but that's no comparison to their previous earnings. They too can carry on working, if allowed. Why would they purposely sit at home for just £840 a month, when usually their income is £70k+ a year?
Any company that doesn't understand that perhaps should get better advice :rolleyes
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The change in message on Sunday was to try to make people realise that HMG do not have a bottomless bucket of money to pay for all the lazy sods who could work SAFELY but chose to sit at home instead claiming their 80%
I continue to work. I’m working this week. Next week I have to stay at home. Why? Because my employer has instructed me to do so.
Our governments need to start getting their heads together and figure out how they get more of the economy up and running.
Frankly I think we are a long way from doing so. As I understand it the key to getting the country running is, test,test,test, trace and isolate.
The virus is out there, and as soon as everybody goes back to work there is the possibility it will spread like wildfire. And still we are struggling to protect our care homes and vulnerable individuals living in our communities. So, its not so much that the virus will spread and infect the largely healthy workforce, but without routine testing of key workers,its who ends up getting it - and dying.
I’d also beware of the spread slowing naturally through the summer, leading to a return to work, only for the virus to take off when it hits its favoured colder conditions.
Most workers I know stuck at home are going spare. I also know folks who have been told to work from home going nuts too.
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One company I know of has furloughed half their staff. Nothing to do with Covid19, just because they saw it as a way of saving some money (no idea how) with the idea that the back log of work done by manufacturing will be moved to the finishing area instead. Prior to Covid, the backlog was building up and finishing were keeping up with the work they were being passed with a small buffer inbetween the two areas. Now they want to build up the buffer so furloughed the finishers for a couple of weeks.
Sounds to me like a company that's not very good at managing its workload!
Either way, it's not the fault of the 'lazy' employee, is it?
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Small Businesses who pay tax under self assessment can carry on working (if possible). The grant is to cover loss of business from 1% to 100%.
Its a pity that they could not look at what they put on their tax return in the box - what is the nature of your business, and then they could see who has lost work and who has not, eg a tattoo artist clearly could not carry on there will be some grey areas that will have to be assessed but to give all self employed even if they are not affected seems a mistake.
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Will you lot foc off out of this thread with your political shite, this thread was started by the OP as to remind people they could just go out on their bike for a ride if they chose to do so.[/size]Take your playground squabbles elsewhere, there have been enough threads ruined on this forum already. and
I can assure every one that my intentions were to just remind people they could go out on their bikes today without fear of being pulled by the police just for being on a bike. Not to wind our fellow the Scottish & Welsh riders up, unlike some, I have more constructive things to do. No mine has stayed in the garage today but it won't tomorrow. Had to take my dog over the fields he exercises in but hasn't been able to go there as I've been sticking to the lock down and not driving my cage.
Can you lot not foccing read, talk about bikes and stop making this thread just a copy of the coronavirus thread, bunch of foccing wankers.
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Its a pity that they could not look at what they put on their tax return in the box - what is the nature of your business, and then they could see who has lost work and who has not, eg a tattoo artist clearly could not carry on there will be some grey areas that will have to be assessed but to give all self employed even if they are not affected seems a mistake.
Don't you think they thought of that? Wouldn't work. My daughter is a childminder. Some carry on minding children of keyworkers, some have none. Also self employed can have two trades - tattoo artist and greengrocer.
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That is not how it was said, Can't be arsed to find the exact quote but it was along the lines of "please you are welcome to go and get a job at tescos or something to keep a good income and your job will be waiting for you when you return".
Lol! You claim I'm wrong, but "can't be arsed" to actually post any proof of it.
Here, let me help...!
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/mar/24/wetherspoons-denies-abandoning-staff-in-coronavirus-crisis (https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/mar/24/wetherspoons-denies-abandoning-staff-in-coronavirus-crisis)
He aroused the ire of workers and MPs after sending a video message to staff telling them they would no longer be paid after Friday while the company works out details of a “furlough” scheme under which the government will pay 80% of wages.
They had food to buy, rent to pay, utilities to pay for etc etc, but at the time, the details of the Furlough scheme hadn't been sorted out, so the people who worked for him had *NO IDEA* when they were going to get paid again (if at all).
He advised them to seek work in Tesco, which is hiring staff to help it meet the country’s need for food delivery and distribution, if they needed employment in the meantime.
“If you’re offered a job… if you think it’s a good idea, do it.”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52018360 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52018360)
He also decided that Weatherspoons wasn't going to pay its suppliers!
Tim Martin said in the video that staff who wanted to work for Tesco should do so and they will be given first priority when Wetherspoon pubs reopen
Note that "Will given given first priority"? Not "your job will be waiting for you", so these people would have to *apply* for their old jobs back!
(I won't even mention his claim that "There's been hardly any transmission of the virus within pubs" as if, somehow, the advice of medical experts didn't apply to him!
But, look, you keep on defending the actions of right wing "I'm alright, Jack" multi-millionaires. I'll keep on giving a sh!t about ordinary people...
Now, since this thread is supposed to be about getting back on our bikes (which I *won't* be doing, please enjoy the last word (which will probably be some Trumpian accusation of spreading "Fake News"...!)
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Usual foccing idiots hijacked a thread, WHAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT BIKERS RIDING BIKES after a long lay off. You wonder why this forum p-ss-s me off. Just for the record yes I have been out on my bike stopped once for fuel observed the distancing rule and thoroughly enjoyed myself without putting any one risk other than myself by other road user SMIDSY's.
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Usual foccing idiots hijacked a thread,
Um, I think you may find the moderator was involved :rolleyes
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If the label fits wear it whoever you are
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Usual foccing idiots hijacked a thread, WHAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT BIKERS RIDING BIKES after a long lay off. You wonder why this forum p-ss-s me off. Just for the record yes I have been out on my bike stopped once for fuel observed the distancing rule and thoroughly enjoyed myself without putting any one risk other than myself by other road user SMIDSY's.
Glad to here it mate, :) Only someone will go out with the same intention and either end up being just another daily biker road casualty due to some arse in a car/van/lorry etc as all the cagers are going to out as well. Added to that, this time of year all the fair weather riders start popping out, being a bit rusty get themselves into trouble either way, do you really want to be in A&E at present?
I'm glad you got away with, I hope it continues for you, others sadly wont be so lucky!
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Me'z just wants to go out on my bike, but Sturgeon willnae let me.
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After 48 years of consistently riding bikes I have long since accepted the grim reality of my passion for riding bikes.
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Never mind chap,we all know how you feel. :'(
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What I need is dealers to re-open.
The R1250R will very shortly be due her first service.
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VNA-BMW Wank.
I have read somewhere recently that most manufacturers including BMW have extended their bike service intervals and warranty periods, because of the issues the corona virus is causing.
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VNA-BMW Wank.
Lovely :\
I have read somewhere recently that most manufacturers including BMW have extended their bike service intervals and warranty periods, because of the issues the corona virus is causing.
Cheers bud. I’ve heard that too. They might also quote me the tolerance on the first service.
But really, having spent the dosh on the bike, and it being very much my bike, I don’t want to go too far past the 600-mile figure.
I’ve got another 100 miles in hand, plus I’m stand-by this coming week. So not an immediate problem.
I am hoping that BMW bikes being popular with the polis and other services, and with me being a key worker, I might just be able to secure that inital service.
See what happens.
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I remembered we’re I read it. It is on Bennett’s insurance website.
Some BMW dealers workshops are open for service/ repairs for key workers, so you might be able to get it serviced.
On some models, the first/ run in service interval has been stretched from 600 miles to 1200.
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Cheers FILZ6
Just had a look at my owner’s manual. It says first service 300 – 750 miles. I’d imagine there is also a wider tolerance that can be applied to that.
So yeah, I might see what I can find out this week, as its now, according to the manual, ready for its first service.
It would be good to get that service. I’ve been trying to stick to the 5000-rpm run in limit. So once its serviced I can use the full rev range. Though I have to say with, according to the dyno chart, 95bhp and 95lbs-ft of torque available at the rear wheel by 5000 rpm, running in is a fun and speedy process! 6th gear at 5000rpm is about 90mph.
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No problem. I hope everything goes well. Stay safe. :)
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Will let you know.
Stay safe.
You too. Strange days.
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My pal had his first service done on his Tracer yesterday, so at least one Yam dealer is open.
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Cheers FILZ6
Just had a look at my owner’s manual. It says first service 300 – 750 miles. I’d imagine there is also a wider tolerance that can be applied to that.
So yeah, I might see what I can find out this week, as its now, according to the manual, ready for its first service.
It would be good to get that service. I’ve been trying to stick to the 5000-rpm run in limit. So once its serviced I can use the full rev range. Though I have to say with, according to the dyno chart, 95bhp and 95lbs-ft of torque available at the rear wheel by 5000 rpm, running in is a fun and speedy process! 6th gear at 5000rpm is about 90mph.
Having never owned a new motorbike I'm not quite sure what the first service would actually be? Surely nothing more than an oil change and possible a check and re-torque of major bolts?
I know obviously the first service (and subsequent ones) have to be done by BMW to cover the warranty bit if for any reason you cant get it done then would it not be worth changing the oil yourself just to make sure it's done within the original mileage?
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Oil and filter change I think. To pick up any swarf.
I seem to remember reading that the running in oil they initially put in is of a slightly different formula. But after that it's standard stuff.
I might have imagined it though
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Kawasaki certainly had a special grade of running in oil as a pal used to own a dealership, maybe 10 or so years ago though. Fuch oil, was the favoured brand if I remember correctly.
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Kawasaki certainly had a special grade of running in oil as a pal used to own a dealership, maybe 10 or so years ago though. Fuch oil, was the favoured brand if I remember correctly.
Just plain old mineral oil to run in, then switch over to either semi or fully synth.
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Having never owned a new motorbike I'm not quite sure what the first service would actually be?
This is my third new bike. First was the FZS600 in 1999, second my FZS1000 (zero miles pre reg) in 2004, and now the R1250R in 2020 on a limited edition 20 plate. :eek Yes I change my bike frequently! :lol
I have wondered whether the first service really is necessary. It also tells you, I think, something in relation to how tight margins are getting. My previous two bikes you just paid for the oil and filter at the first service. Now you pay labour too. At 200 plus quid its easy money for the dealer, with the customer generally sticking it onto their PCP finance. Naturally my last words on negotiating a price as I offered my hand were – and no charge for the 600 mile service.
My understanding is that its an oil and filter change plus safety check.
The PDI check was carried out by Motorrad UK, then the bike was shipped to the dealer.
Even if I can’t get it serviced in the next week or two, it surely cannot be too long before dealers are encouraged to serve the general public.
I’ve looked a few of the big dealer’s web pages. I’ve noted that the biggest car dealer in Scotland Arnold Clark is ready to open. They have already prepared their showrooms and workshops for social distancing. They are just waiting for the green light.
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Having never owned a new motorbike I'm not quite sure what the first service would actually be?
In reality not a lot, with yours, plug it in, check for codes, change oil/filter, visual check of the whole bike, wheeels/tryes/bolts/bulbs etc (many don't even do that) input service data, reset service interval. That's it, there supposed to road test, most don't, its all about time and workshop through put i.e. money.
If you you want to keep using it, change the oil/filter with OE spec and keep the receipts as proof, ride it. Any dealership will have a very hard job of trying to refuse warranty due to the current situation, if fact to get manufactures warranty you only have to prove it's been serviced correctly, not that they did it.
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If you you want to keep using it, change the oil/filter with OE spec and keep the receipts as proof, ride it. Any dealership will have a very hard job of trying to refuse warranty due to the current situation, if fact to get manufactures warranty you only have to prove it's been serviced correctly, not that they did it.
Hopefully I won’t need to make any warranty claims. However, if I just do my own thing when it comes to servicing, I don’t suppose my dealer will be too interested in helping me.
Dealers are businesses not charities.
One way or another I don’t think I’ll have to wait too long for my 600mile service.
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Hopefully I won’t need to make any warranty claims. However, if I just do my own thing when it comes to servicing, I don’t suppose my dealer will be too interested in helping me.
Dealers are businesses not charities.
It's not about them being charities, the manufacturer gives the warranty, the stealer gets paid to repair it but they can't make money at it, fixed cost to replace/repair that's why they don't like doing warranty work they can' fiddle it and it take up workshops slot on a job they can. Providing you service the bike with OE spec filters/oils etc and to the service intervals, they can't refuse a warranty claim within the manufactures warranty period.
Warranties really only count for finish (paint etc) and mechanical failure, one of the biggest scams in the motor trade is extended warranties, just about everything that's likely to fail in normal use isn't covered.
Even lease where all service parts labour are included they still make a lot on money, mainly car world this, believe me they're not charities.
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Providing you service the bike with OE spec filters/oils etc and to the service intervals, they can't refuse a warranty claim within the manufactures warranty period.
Yep, one of our independent Triumph mechanics has cleared that with Triumph. Record the date/miles and keep the genuine parts receipts and you're covered
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I didn’t mention this to start an argument.
the manufacturer gives the warranty
Manufactures generally concern themselves with manufacturing. They appoint agents/distributers/importers, call them what you will, to distribute/sell/maintain their products in various markets round the globe. The importer provides the warranty.
The approved importer appoints dealers.
Bear in mind that the importer is generally as a business independent of the manufacturer. Likewise, the dealers as businesses are independent from the importers. But of course, they are all working to the contracts that they have agreed.
So the dealer must provide facilities, training and service to the standards stipulated by the importer.
Providing you service the bike with OE spec filters/oils etc and to the service intervals, they can't refuse a warranty claim within the manufactures warranty period.
The law states that if you have your vehicle serviced by a suitably qualified motorcycle mechanic (so that rules me out) and that you follow the manufacturers service schedule using only recommended parts then the importer must honour the warranty that they have provided (that is assuming you purchased a vehicle supplied by them)
But the reality is, that if having serviced your bike outside of the dealer network, you then try to make a warranty claim, the chances are they will refer you to the fella that did the servicing. In other words they will tell you to fuck off as they don’t consider you their customer – and understandably so.
So no doubt you will then point out to them that they are breaking the law. To which they will tell you to go fuck off and apply the law.
If you contact the importer they won’t be interested, as their interest is in you using the dealer network that they set up to sell their bikes and protect their interests.
So good luck to anybody who thinks they can take on the might of the approved importer and dealer network in the courts.
So in short no, I would never advise anybody who has just bought a new car or bike to do their own servicing, or to have the servicing carried outwith the importers approved dealer network. In law your warranty may be valid, but in practise may find you have rendered it worthless.
So my first step will be to contact my Motorrad dealer to see if they can help me out with my service.
Phew!
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If your dealer can't service it because they're closed and you can't get a local shop/mechanic to do it for you.
At present neither is possible, hence me saying do it yourself. Changing it yourself will be acceptable providing you use a OE spec filter and oil and do it correctly. They can't then refuse to give you warranty, they have to prove the work caused the damage or contribute to it i.e. your paint on the engine cases starts to flake due to corrosion, common fault with BMW's. They wouldn't get away with just voided your warranty because they're were closed and you couldn't get any other shop to carry out the work as they were closed too.
It's unreasonable, they would be constructively denying you use of your property. I'm not saying they wouldn't try but if you want to use your bike to get to work and due to the current situation, I'd say BMW isn't going to work you over, not good PR and I think the law will support you.
Of course if your not confidant in doing it, or you don't need the bike for work, I guess you've got to wait. :(
Note: you don't have to use BMW oil or filter just that they're are OE spec, same with air fliters, brake pads/fluid, bulbs, tyres etc they just must match OE spec. Engine, frame, ignition parts are different you must use there's if you want to maintain warranty.
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If your dealer can't service it because they're closed and you can't get a local shop/mechanic to do it for you.
I haven’t contacted them yet.
At present neither is possible, hence me saying do it yourself.
I will find out what is possible, or not, when I contact them.
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If your dealer can't service it because they're closed and you can't get a local shop/mechanic to do it for you.
I haven’t contacted them yet.
At present neither is possible, hence me saying do it yourself.
I will find out what is possible, or not, when I contact them.
Good luck with that. :)
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your bike can be serviced anywhere (the government stopped dealerships from having exclusivity) as long as genuine makers parts are used, the warranty is still valid--that's the law.
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your bike can be serviced anywhere (the government stopped dealerships from having exclusivity) as long as genuine makers parts are used, the warranty is still valid--that's the law.
That is indeed European Law. And it has been the case for a great many years.
But as I pointed out in my reply #78, what the law says, and what happens in practise can be quite different.
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Foccing el people. I just read zillion of posts here and I am none the wiser as to shall we do ride outs now or not? :lol
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And probably none the wiser as to where to take your bike for a service. :lol
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Well I've been taking full advantage of being able to use my bike my bike for leisure again. Just short of 100 miles on my MT09 on Wednesday, then another 70 on Thursday.
Took my sons Street Triple 675 R out on Friday for a short run , great brakes and suspension but uncomfortable as hell, bars are too flat and pegs too high, just felt sat on top of bike and not in it, much prefer my MT09.
Had a go on his KTM 390, if I had to commute through town / city I would choose something like this, nice punchy torquey engine, very light and chuckable, so easy to ride .
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VNA, have a look at this link, may answer some of your questions about your BMW warranty.
https://www.discover.bmw-motorrad.co.uk/ownership/service-repairs-warranty-covid
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VNA, have a look at this link, may answer some of your questions about your BMW warranty.
https://www.discover.bmw-motorrad.co.uk/ownership/service-repairs-warranty-covid (https://www.discover.bmw-motorrad.co.uk/ownership/service-repairs-warranty-covid)
Cheers Slappy.
For any BMW motorcycle that is due a 600 mile running-in service during this period we have extended the mileage allowance to 1,200 miles (2,000km).
I thought they might do something like that. Not that keen on the idea. I'll try and get of somebody tomorrow.
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Bike will be getting serviced next Tuesday. :)
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I love the look of that KTM. A really good looking bike, brilliant styling job to my eye.
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I love the look of that KTM. A really good looking bike, brilliant styling job to my eye.
The styling is brilliant I agree, too many of modern motorcycles seem to have been designed to the same templates, this template is for sports bikes, this template is for cruisers etc.
The only thing that really let's it down is the quality of the fasteners the bike is one year old, garaged , only used in good weather and has only covered 1000 miles and the state of the fasteners is terrible. When get time I will replace them all with stainless from the local nut and bolt supplier.