Author Topic: speed triple comparison (Read 9377 times)

bash62 · « **on:** 14 January 2013, 04:55:20 pm »

hi chaps ,my mate has just bought an 07 triumph speed triple and just wondered if anybody owned or ridden one .how does it compare to the fazer .i currently on a 04 gen 1 ivanised which i've had from new and am still very much in love with.ur thought gents
cheers
bash

nippykarl · « **Reply #1 on:** 14 January 2013, 05:05:39 pm »

I had a test ride on both the speed and street a couple of years back when I had my full monty 1000 , I found the speed very similar to my 1000 but it felt more planted to the road more like a bowling ball feel but not heavy it was as fast as mine but felt a bit boring to be honest, then I had a go on the street and that was big fun so thats what I should be getting this year a nice 13 model R street.

stevierst · « **Reply #2 on:** 14 January 2013, 05:37:55 pm »

I know its not the speed triple, but I had a tiger 1050 and it had all the ngine tuning mods. That engine is a corker! Especially when tuned up. Power literally from 1500 to the redline, and oodles of torque just where you need it.

The yam 4 seems a bit buzzy and needing to be wound up to get the best from it at times, it all depends on how you spend your time riding. I'd definately have another triumph, put it that way.

silverfz · « **Reply #3 on:** 14 January 2013, 05:44:00 pm »

http://fazer1000.yuku.com/topic/4333/White-dials#.UPRDlx1g-So

I love my Gen 1

mtread · « **Reply #4 on:** 14 January 2013, 06:37:27 pm »

I've got a 04 Speed Triple - the 955 engine rather than the 1050, but very similar. The Speedy is all about the engine, and particularly the torque, the noise (and of course the badge ;-)) Not nearly such a good all rounder as the Fazer though, and anything above 90/100 is a severe neck strainer. But I love it, just as much as my Fazer.

nickodemon · « **Reply #5 on:** 14 January 2013, 07:46:07 pm »

I had a test ride on the new speed triple last year and found it no better than my ivanised gen 1 fazer. It proves how good the fazer is when a new triumph isn't any better, when you set up your fazer properly. I bought an Aprilia tuono v4r

to get to the next level. Still got my fazer and probably always will.

JayB · « **Reply #6 on:** 15 January 2013, 11:52:15 am »

I have a bit of a thing for the Triple. I had a lovely 955i Daytona but like a tit I sold it as I shat myself at the cost of doing the rear bearings - £150 in parts.

But the engine noise, flexibility, torque and economy were great. I keep looking for another. Probably won't feel as "comfortable" and "liveable" as I thought it was then, aftert the Fazer.

I recently fell in love with the Sprint ST 1050 in blue...

sadlonelygit · « **Reply #7 on:** 15 January 2013, 11:57:24 am »

my mate had a speed triple, in fact he's a bit of a triumph nut. one ride on my (well sorted) fazer and the striple is sold and a fazer purchased.
if you want to play stunt man wheelies and make a nice noise then get one.

bigbluebear · « **Reply #8 on:** 15 January 2013, 01:13:27 pm »

My mate has one, we swapped to test out each others bikes to compare and had planned to stop at a petrol station a good few miles away but the c*nt drove right past it. I could wait to get my fazer back but he didn't want to......nough said.

JayB · « **Reply #9 on:** 16 January 2013, 05:51:49 pm »

LOL, nice comments, you CANNOT beat that triple induction roar and exhaust note with a nice can on though.
I guess it's character and looks versus better versatility.
God, if I ever have a windfall, I'm gonna have a big fcuking garage full of bikes!

oldmickyboy · « **Reply #10 on:** 16 January 2013, 07:10:48 pm »

my speedy was awsome it had loads of torque and handled well but its not a better allrounder
god i wish i could have two bikes $:\$

sadlonelygit · « **Reply #11 on:** 16 January 2013, 08:08:50 pm »

Quote from: oldmickyboy on 16 January 2013, 07:10:48 pm

my speedy was awsome it had loads of torque

compared to what?
pretty similar +/-a few ft/lb as a fazer. if you geared a fazer down to 145 max, it would feel like a trials bike.
i'm not being fazer-ist, but a striple is a sunday blast hooli-toy par excellance imo and suffers as a real world bike.

JayB · « **Reply #12 on:** 17 January 2013, 11:25:13 am »

I think it's the torque curve and where the triple starts to really pull at comparitively low revs...

oldmickyboy · « **Reply #13 on:** 17 January 2013, 01:27:45 pm »

in comparison to my faser of course
like i wrote
" my speedy was awsome it had loads of torque and handled well but its not a better allrounder
god i wish i could have two bikes $:\$ "
the torque figures may be similer on paper but its where in the rev range it produces it i can honestly say on any a/b road the stripple would win the race

JayB · « **Reply #14 on:** 17 January 2013, 03:17:08 pm »

Stop all this torque talk!

I think I miss my Daytona more than my SP-1 !

nickodemon · « **Reply #15 on:** 17 January 2013, 08:29:03 pm »

I found the speed triple too similar to my fazer to be worth spending the money, so i bought this..

Since photos taken i have removed rear pegs and added matt carbon bits and bobs.. plus rad and oil cooler guards. Amazing bike. Checkout out the disk lock fitted to the caliper 'black'. Its a roadlock disc lock, which bolts directly onto the caliper, so when riding around you only need the pin in your pocket. Brilliant piece of kit - £200

oldmickyboy · « **Reply #16 on:** 17 January 2013, 09:50:14 pm »

great looking bike , whats the zorst ?

nickodemon · « **Reply #17 on:** 17 January 2013, 10:13:13 pm »

It's a werkes competition gp. Got it from the US of A. The reason i got one was when i was considering a speed triple i liked the look, so when i bought the tuono i contacted the guy on ebay. He said werkes don't make them for the tuono, but they do make them for the rsv4 'same exhaust', so i bought one. Lovely bit of kit, which is stainless with ceramic coating. They do them in stainless and several colours. Here's a link http://www.competitionwerkes.com/

JayB · « **Reply #18 on:** 18 January 2013, 10:47:43 am »

LOVELY, I like a lot. There's one round here, looks and sounds the nuts.

Had a couple of Aprilias myself, great bikes, don't believe all the horror stories, as solid as a Honda!

stevierst · « **Reply #19 on:** 18 January 2013, 11:28:45 am »

Quote from: JayB on 18 January 2013, 10:47:43 am

LOVELY, I like a lot. There's one round here, looks and sounds the nuts.

Had a couple of Aprilias myself, great bikes, don't believe all the horror stories, as solid as a Honda!

I had one too, love/hate relationship! Rear wheel bearing locked up on me mid roundabout and nearly killed me. Then to replace it cost me £180 supply price, and had to be flown in from Italy as the bearing was made for the Futura only! The fi was absolutely rediculous too!

sadlonelygit · « **Reply #20 on:** 18 January 2013, 12:07:17 pm »

oooooh, do we get to slag off Aprilia now!
had a pegaso............rectifier, but that's not unusual. the front forks cracked where the spindle went through on the threaded side, bottom yoke developed a stress crack around the stem, and had to wait 9 weeks for a tailight assembly.
engine was a peach............but it was a rotax!

stevierst · « **Reply #21 on:** 18 January 2013, 12:16:33 pm »

On the other hand, my bro-in-law has a mille with 47k trouble free miles on the clock.

PaulSmith · « **Reply #22 on:** 18 January 2013, 01:01:50 pm »

I bought my Aprilia Futura new in '02, and it was last touched by the hands of a 'mechanic' in '04. After that, I did full maintenance myself, helped by a superb support forum over on ApriliaForum. It had minor issues with reg/rec, wiring and a quick release on a fuel line, all of which could be quickley (and cheaply) fixed. Its achilles heel was the rear axle bearing. Like our EXUP valve, if lucky or looked after, it did its job and never intruded on your awareness. If unlucky, or not looked after, well... need I say more?

I ran the Futura until 2010 as my main (and only) transport, and it was inexpensive, reliable and a hell of a lot of fun. It had the most comfortable saddle I have ever used and combined with its near perfect riding position, wind protection and handling meant you could ride for 500 miles to reach the roads you wanted to go mad on, unclip the panniers and ride like a loon. Go to bed happy then do it all again the next day. In the twisties, it could keep up with all but the best ridden sports bikes, helped a lot lashings of torque from very low revs.

After 8 years I knew I needed a change as the Fazer was begining to show its age and I suspected another Irish winter would begin to make it struggle. I only bought the Fazer because I knew no matter what I got to replace the Futura, I wouldn't like it because was not another Futura, and I hoped the Fazer would be the practical option until I found my next love.

Fortunatly, I was wrong about the Fazer and I have grown really fond of it. Comparing the two, the Futura is probably the better all-rounder, aided by better wind protection, better seat, and built in (removable) luggage. The Fazer provides better power, better milage, smoother engine, and a top end that would give a corpse a stiffy.

pitternator · « **Reply #23 on:** 18 January 2013, 01:36:36 pm »

I ran a speed triple for 3 yrs alongside my full monty fazer 1000, so feel qualified to comment...rode 13k miles on the speedy and about 20 k on the fazer in that 3 yrs.

!. The speedy is an " experience" bike, full stop. Its appeal is in the way it makes the rider feel, rather than a side by side power/torque etc comparison.The speedy is a bit of a loveable wild animal, the fazer feels a bit anodyne by comparison.

2. On the road up to 120 the speedy can be as fast or faster than the fazer simply down to torque delivery . Theres no waiting , its all off the throttle. But no doubt on a drag strip, the fazer would be first past the post.Lots of revs, etc etc. Over 120 the fazer is well into its stride and in full monty guise would give the vfr1200 a run for its money.On the road at least I have never been outpaced by any other bike if I am on the case, save exotica/ hyper powersportsbikes ridden hard.Its that competitive.The combo of 140 at the rear wheel, great low down torque and easy handling makes for a potent fast road bike.

3. The noise of that triumph engine is pure sex..it moans like a six over 6k rpm, utterly addictive. If you didnt like the way it snarls and surges, you aint human !..it is IMO the way a proper motorbike should feel, as punchy as a v twin, much more character than a four...perfect road engine for " normal" riding ....

4. As an allrounder the speedy will never win, but its surprisingly civilised, with a great seat , good mpg , its comfy for quite long rides. Its no good for touring though due to the lack of mudguarding / luggage/ ergos.

I regret selling mine, I do miss it like mad...so much so I probably will get another. Has to be the older model( not the latest) in black...mean moody and brutal !! Bring it on !

As for the fazer , its a very fast capable all round bike.Whops up to 150 real quick, incredible roll on in top past 4k rpm. Utterly stable handling . Great for fast touring . So practical. But ultimately still feels a tad soulless.And now is just starting to feel ....old....but its still a lovely bike to ride, will do anything from touring to trackdays. Just now I find it a bit overpowering for touring as at touring speeds, the fazer engine is almost switched off ! Great for sweepers and autobahns, but an exercise in restraint elsewhere.That engine just wants to go man...not pootle around !
GIVE THIS BIKE THE CROSSPLANE ENGINE ! ...give it feel, give it that v4 like sound...it would be unbeatable...IMO... cant believe yam aint done it ...

stevierst · « **Reply #24 on:** 18 January 2013, 01:46:27 pm »

Quote from: pitternator on 18 January 2013, 01:36:36 pm

GIVE THIS BIKE THE CROSSPLANE ENGINE ! ...give it feel, give it that v4 like sound...it would be unbeatable...IMO... cant believe yam aint done it ...

You mean they haven't done it 'yet'. We can live in hope