I'll never vote corbyn as long as he got an hole up his ass.he has to go before labour get my vote.
especially after other recent gaffs by, and divisions between, Labour members.
So what do you do if you don't trust Labour on defence or the economy, but you don't trust the Tories for a fair society?
Quote from: Hedgetrimmer on 21 May 2017, 01:01:09 amespecially after other recent gaffs by, and divisions between, Labour members.Oh yes, like Diane Abbot saying new Police Officers costing £300,000 instead of £3,000,000 and that being all over the news for a whole day.By the way, did you hear about Philip Hammond get the price of the HS2 rail link wrong by 20 *BILLION* pounds? No? I wonder why not...?QuoteSo what do you do if you don't trust Labour on defence or the economy, but you don't trust the Tories for a fair society? As I said in the post above: Vote Tactically to stop Kim Jong May getting an elected dictatorship.[/quoteI have read & considered every post on this thread. Like many of my age I have seen so many changes politically,economically,socially in my 69 years.I believe my country no longer has a clear sense of its role in the global economy. Our political institutions appear outdated & ineffectual. We , the ordinary citizens, are told to economise,tighten our belts,work harder with less job security,worse conditions of employment, & an uncertain old age(financially & health care provision). I have never known such a wide differential between the wealthy & the rest.In my lifetime I can only think of one politician who made a lasting impact on the well being of the nation: Aneurin Bevan who formulated & implemented the NHS postwar.I found myself watching the national news becoming increasingly angry, outraged, disillusioned by what i saw & heard.Most daily newspapers are a joke but many seem to lap it all up & believe everything they read simply because its the printed word.i was very fortunate to be born into postwar Britain & have the advantage of a good upbringing,education through the state system,& free healthcare all at a time of more or less full employment.Now I SHOULD exercise my democratic right & vote on June 8th-but who for & for what? I, like Hedgetrimmer, am confused. I am deliberately keeping my personal views on Ireland, & other shameful involvements in other countries affairs out of this debate but I have little or no faith in any of the present crop of politicians making any beneficial changes let alone keeping any so-called election promises!
Now I SHOULD exercise my democratic right & vote on June 8th-but who for & for what?
Really pissed about the tuition fee saga....if they are now ended then there is a band of about four years of students that carry debts of around £50k that students either side do not have....how can that be fair?That's one hell of a burden to go into adulthood with....and they wonder why home ownership is slowing!!
every time May is on TV she comes across a right thick twat and like the milk snatcher, gets the hump if anyone dares question her. Then we have Corbyn who comes across as articulate and caring......all the things she isn't. I know where my vote's going
every time May is on TV she comes across a right thick twat and like the milk snatcher, gets the hump if anyone dares question her. Then we have Corbyn who comes across as articulate and caring......all the things she isn't. I know where my vote's goingAnd now we have the U turn on the dementia issue
Quote from: Dave48 on 22 May 2017, 09:37:15 amNow I SHOULD exercise my democratic right & vote on June 8th-but who for & for what? If you can't decide who to vote *for*, then figure out who you want to vote *against*. Does your local MP represent your views? Look at http://www.theyworkforyou.com and see what their voting record is on the issues that matter to you. If you disagree with what they stand for, vote for the candidate that has the best chance of beating them.
Quote from: dickturpin on 23 May 2017, 09:47:14 amReally pissed about the tuition fee saga....if they are now ended then there is a band of about four years of students that carry debts of around £50k that students either side do not have....how can that be fair?That's one hell of a burden to go into adulthood with....and they wonder why home ownership is slowing!! £50 k student debt how are they managing to run up those debts. Most likely because they are on the piss and partying , designer clothes. Funny how my lad did a 4 year course, a year of which was spent in France and came out of Uni with absolutely no debts what so ever. Let me see now did he live at home while at Uni? no he shared a rented house with 5 mates he met at Uni. Did the bank of mum & dad fund him all the way through Uni, no not entirely, we paid 50% of his tuition fees. Did he miss out on his social life while at Uni ? , no, because if it had tits he shagged it. Did he go hungry and have a crap diet?no, as he always was interested in cooking and was a foodie.So you may ask how did he come out debt free. Simple before he even left school he had a Part time job in Sainsbury's and banked everything he earned, also while at Uni he worked two part time jobs. Most students spend on average 12.5>14.5 hours a week in class so wtf are they doing the rest of the time, okay they will be doing home studies as well for a couple of hours after finishing Uni for the day. If my lad wanted clothes he went to Tescos or Asda , the designer gear was binned as he reckoned a £6.00 pair of Tescos own brand jeans covered his arse just as well as a £30 pair of Wranglers or Levi's, as he explained to me, you see dad the £24 I saved on the jeans is my beer money or groceries etc! He did have one mate who came out with £37k debt and he was doing the same course. My lad got a Double 1st in French & European Business studies from Liverpool University. He then wanted to do his Master degree which he did at Bordeaux University, they paid him €1500 a month while he studied there, he was being paid as he was teaching the French English as a foreign language for 6 hours a week. His mate who ran up£37k debt passed his degree gaining I think the term is a Desmond as in 2.2. So as far as I am concerned running up£50k in debt is only achievable if one is a party animal and also a lazy fecker.
Quote from: lew600fazer on 23 May 2017, 11:03:02 pmQuote from: dickturpin on 23 May 2017, 09:47:14 amReally pissed about the tuition fee saga....if they are now ended then there is a band of about four years of students that carry debts of around £50k that students either side do not have....how can that be fair?That's one hell of a burden to go into adulthood with....and they wonder why home ownership is slowing!! £50 k student debt how are they managing to run up those debts. Most likely because they are on the piss and partying , designer clothes. Funny how my lad did a 4 year course, a year of which was spent in France and came out of Uni with absolutely no debts what so ever. Let me see now did he live at home while at Uni? no he shared a rented house with 5 mates he met at Uni. Did the bank of mum & dad fund him all the way through Uni, no not entirely, we paid 50% of his tuition fees. Did he miss out on his social life while at Uni ? , no, because if it had tits he shagged it. Did he go hungry and have a crap diet?no, as he always was interested in cooking and was a foodie.So you may ask how did he come out debt free. Simple before he even left school he had a Part time job in Sainsbury's and banked everything he earned, also while at Uni he worked two part time jobs. Most students spend on average 12.5>14.5 hours a week in class so wtf are they doing the rest of the time, okay they will be doing home studies as well for a couple of hours after finishing Uni for the day. If my lad wanted clothes he went to Tescos or Asda , the designer gear was binned as he reckoned a £6.00 pair of Tescos own brand jeans covered his arse just as well as a £30 pair of Wranglers or Levi's, as he explained to me, you see dad the £24 I saved on the jeans is my beer money or groceries etc! He did have one mate who came out with £37k debt and he was doing the same course. My lad got a Double 1st in French & European Business studies from Liverpool University. He then wanted to do his Master degree which he did at Bordeaux University, they paid him €1500 a month while he studied there, he was being paid as he was teaching the French English as a foreign language for 6 hours a week. His mate who ran up£37k debt passed his degree gaining I think the term is a Desmond as in 2.2. So as far as I am concerned running up£50k in debt is only achievable if one is a party animal and also a lazy fecker.Unfortunately not true LewSomeone close to me in this situation...not a party animal at all. 3 years in London with no student accommodation and £9k annual tuition fees plus accommodation plus living costs and occasional travel home puts them into this situation.
Sorry but there is no way any student should be racking up £50k in debt going through Uni.
Dumb , dumber or dumbest , where to put my X .
Quote from: esetest on 25 May 2017, 06:12:49 pmDumb , dumber or dumbest , where to put my X .Greedy self serving wanker, greedier self serving wanker, greediest self serving wanker is more like it.
Quote from: slappy on 25 May 2017, 06:26:25 pmQuote from: esetest on 25 May 2017, 06:12:49 pmDumb , dumber or dumbest , where to put my X .Greedy self serving wanker, greedier self serving wanker, greediest self serving wanker is more like it.But surely this is the problem? We all know none of them are fit for the job yet we have no choice but to pick one? Why haven't we all stood up and said fuck off? A democracy is no good if all you get to decide is which pile of shit your gonna land in.