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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Engine Noise
« on: 02 August 2020, 05:49:06 pm »
Quick update and a thanks for advice...

Last time I had it started on the drive it kept dropping to very low revs and back again repeatedly, as well as the fuel pump noise...not in a good place. Thought I'd check the plug caps especially after some of the last comments and yes they needing replacing. Two were showing good readings, one no reading at all and the last was bouncing around on resistance. Explains the revs dropping out.  Sadly took two weeks for new caps to arrive hence the delay, they went on the evening they arrived along with a new fuel pump and it is riding well again. Albeit still noisy in my opinion.

MOT this Friday along with a good look over by local recommended mechanic, fingers crossed.

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Engine Noise
« on: 11 July 2020, 05:46:34 pm »
If I get chance I'll give that a go tomorrow, I've ordered a pump as it's definitely on the way out just by the noise, so may wait for that now. I've put it all back together but don't know why as not planning on riding it until that fixed. Tried looking for arching in the dark and nothing

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Engine Noise
« on: 11 July 2020, 04:29:33 pm »
Thanks Darrsi, that code for the caps will be useful.


I think fuel pump is first priority, not running well at all today, sporadic at idle and sounding like starved at times, pump is getting noisier every day. Strangely it was pulling a high vacuum than yesterday at first and running well, my guess is the pump isn't giving a consistent performance and that's knocking everything off.

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Engine Noise
« on: 10 July 2020, 07:52:34 pm »
I may leave the caps for now then, I runs fine at revs but I will do the dark test.

Understood on the carb sync, read somewhere about bringing the revs up on the intake I know that for the future. Careful what you read I guess.

Appreciate the advice, got a couple of jobs for the weekend ahead.

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Engine Noise
« on: 10 July 2020, 06:48:04 pm »
Answered the spark plug cap question, quite cheap so may be worth doing while sorting the fuel pump out.

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Engine Noise
« on: 10 July 2020, 06:33:23 pm »
The guy didn't ask the mileage, just listened to it so guess could give him the benefit of the doubt, but you may be right, I need to find a reputable local mechanic. Was trying to avoid taking the carbs, etc out to get to the tensioner but it seems that's not possible especially with my hands. Been giving it some revs since I've had it, it's not in daily use, but most weekends this time of year it will get some use. Perhaps see how it goes over the next few hundred miles and if it doesn't shift I'll get the tensioner off and check it.


Interesting you say about the indicators, didn't know that, will be done this weekend, got some black silicone in the garage. The chain alignment marks are not accurate then, I'll check that, shouldn't be out as chain and sprockets were recent when I bought it but best to check.
Had the carbtune on it today, TPS was also out. At idle it's around 180 mark, had to take it up to about 2.5k revs to get in the 230-250 range. [size=78%]
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I'd say the HT leads are originals, I replaced the spark plugs only a few weeks ago but original leads. Assume the NGK caps have the same connection, not sure the official name but no screw cap? Else I'm stuck there, threw the tops away  :eek .

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Engine Noise
« on: 10 July 2020, 04:30:20 pm »
Thanks for the info Gnasher.   New pump it is then, figure the relay is doing what it should as bike is running. Didn't realise the pump itself lost pressure, thought it may be somewhere else but there are no leaks.

The bike is showing 17k so wouldn't expect a new chain, may just be waiting for the next click, I don't know but it is frustrating and would like to confirm it's nothing else I should be concerned about. MOTs back to 2006 fit the mileage so think it's legit, it's done 500 miles over the last 3 years and 4000 over the last 9 years by the paperwork.

I'm pretty sure the rattle while riding is getting worse but the fuel pump is also getting worse at startup, hopefully they may be one in the same thing.

I'm a long time off bikes until recently, getting back in to it now so don't have a trusted mechanic, the guy I took it to seems to have a good reputation locally.

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Engine Noise
« on: 10 July 2020, 03:42:16 pm »
Sorry this has taken so long, work has been manic.

The fuel pump behaviour has changed, clicks loudly for longer :rolleyes , filler open or closed it does the same. I switch the ignition on and the pump runs (great, if loud), if I turn off and back on several times it repeats the process for the same length of time roughly every time.  My understanding of the operation is that it works on pressure and shouldn't lose it that quickly. When I first got the bike it would click a couple of times each time turned the ignition on (shorter when warm or had not long before primed) as I would expect, not sure why it's doing this now. It is quite loud, video:  https://youtu.be/vI0JQTH54Bk.  Bike runs fine but don't want to get stranded with a dead pump. Any ideas?

As far as engine is concerned, took it to a mechanic for a listen today, said it was likely the cam chain (https://youtu.be/l4SvuQYGRm4), Suggested loosening the two mounting bolts on the tensioner until clicks on the auto rachet, then wind the mounts back in. Not heard of this method before but would be easier than removing everything to get to it! Any thoughts on this?

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Engine Noise
« on: 28 June 2020, 08:23:44 pm »
I'll get some compressed air and check the Hoses, will need to let the fuel level drop to ensure the tank connections aren't blocked... Mines 99 so has the hoses from the base, they changed around 2000 I believe.

I'll check the cap open. Starting isn't really a problem, give it a little throttle but nothing I'd consider a problem. It's just the amount of clicking, seems abnormal.

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Engine Noise
« on: 28 June 2020, 08:03:03 pm »
No kinks, checked that when I balanced the carbs, all looks fine. Also, put some carb cleaner through the air box.


Wonder how much of this is due to old fuel, etc which may have been stagnant in the bike. I've gone through a full tank and a bit since i've had it and I've literally done more on it in three weeks than the last three years have seen. Keep using it and may shift it, or try some additive maybe. 


But then the more I look in to things the more potentials I find. The exhaust header plates were obviously overtightened for the middle two and have cracks in them, can't feel any air escaping in the short time it takes for them to get to hot to check, but that's something else which makes a ticking noise which is s


I'm conscious of keeping throwing money at it and there being an underlying issue.

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Engine Noise
« on: 28 June 2020, 06:52:05 pm »
Carbs balanced, improved response and sound, especially with the new silencer.

Still some rattle noise, tried hitting the kill switch when moving to check if it wasn't engine related and something tapping the frame. The noise goes with the engine off so either it is a component or something being vibrated by the engine running.

I'm not sure the fuel pump is behaving as it should. It seems to prime for longer than I would expect, if I haven't started the bike on half hour it will repeat a loud clicking for a couple of seconds, if I leave overnight this can last 5-10 seconds but I didn't use the bike for near a week and it went on for maybe 20 seconds of clicking. When engine is running it doesn't struggle for fuel so seems to work, but then understand a fuel pump impeller can create a rattle if faulty so may link. Also, had the tank near empty (nothing registering on the gauge) when I went out earlier, I'm convinced the sound was louder but it didn't go instantly when filled up, by the time I got back the engine was hot and the noise had gone.

Also, oil level. Left the bike and oil level went above the sight glass, took for a short run but enough to get engine hot, next day just under the max line again. Not sure why oil level would fluctuate up and down without adding or removing any.



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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Engine Noise
« on: 22 June 2020, 09:27:49 am »
Thanks, came out a little small that  :rollin . Forum newbie, what can I say.

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Engine Noise
« on: 22 June 2020, 09:22:52 am »

Thanks for the feedback.

Early signs is the oil has had a positive difference as I'm sure most will, time will tell but happy with it for now. Darrsi has used it for some time so that's good credit. Overall the bike is running a lot better for the bits changed out.

Was annoyed the exhaust didn't just bolt on and couldn't get the carb balance done on Saturday. They are so close, 43mm and 44.5mm which don't quite slip together. I'm hoping a 44.5mm straight coupler will do it with compression but may need to pad the smaller end with something heat proof.

I'm writing off the cam chain for now,  I'm hoping the carb sync solves it! Picked up a Carbtune and useful guide mentioned above so ready to go.


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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Engine Noise
« on: 21 June 2020, 04:12:39 pm »
Oil and filter, fuel filter and spark plugs all changed went with iridium and the Westway oil which seems good quality. Was told when purchased that the guy serviced the bike last year, the state of the oil (bearing in mind the few miles it's done in last 4 years) and rusty spark plugs with grit on the threads  :eek  made me think otherwise.  Air filter looked pretty new so left that in. New silencer ordered but doesn't fit straight on due to the aftermarket stainless downpipes, needs a straight coupler then will balance carbs.


It's had 100 miles of Cotswold A and B roads today to help that oil get round and see if could shift a notch on the cam tensioner, feels a lot better for the oil.


The noise hasn't disappeared but I believe is a lot clearer with the new oil. It doesn't seem to change with the revs or clutch in like most noise complaints appear to. When riding it's barely noticeable, likely due to other noises covering it. It's idle or low speed with clutch pulled to quieten the engine when it comes out. More of a rattle than a tapping now. Doesn't seem to be consistent with the engine timing, like something is loose but can't find anything external but will inspect further.


Assume the cam chain noise would disappear with revs so I'm tempted to rule that out. Any ideas?

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Engine Noise
« on: 15 June 2020, 10:00:35 am »

Can afford more frequent changes and the filters at the difference in cost between that and silkolene or similar which I was looking at. The fact it's your main transport is good test for it.

I'll be changing spark plugs, filters and oil very soon as its a new bike to me so peace of mind, apparently was last serviced last year so an annual would be worthwhile imo. While I'm in there I will spray some carb cleaner through while running and reset the tensioner. See what it sounds like, then give it some 2-3 gear fun to clear once warmed up. May check valve clearances if feeling brave (not done that before but doesn't look too bad).

Silencer needs replacing due to small leak I've discovered so that will be done shortly, good time then to balance the carbs I'm thinking.

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Engine Noise
« on: 15 June 2020, 08:54:05 am »
Matter of interest, why do you chose the fully synthetic when semi is spec'd? Quite happy to pay the extra if it treats the engine better.


Regards riding style, I try not to be too much of a demon but sometimes it just wants to go.....it's not my main form of transport, when it comes out will be for an hour minimum so will be up to temperature and will involve a little spirited riding in dry conditions unless I get caught out.

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Engine Noise
« on: 15 June 2020, 08:48:09 am »
Thanks for the feedback and that link, that's very useful to have! Plus I know I'll need a long enough screwdriver before it's in bits  :rollin


Just trying to keep budget realistic. Figure it's one of those 'investment' type tools and will pay itself back. £90 on ebay for the 4 column new.

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Engine Noise
« on: 15 June 2020, 08:28:52 am »

Noted, it is running a bit rough, wonder how much noise would settle with that done. Was thinking of getting a carbtune, are they worth the extra to some of the cheaper ones around? I don't like to buy too cheap though, like my tools to last  :D .

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Introduction / Re: Hello
« on: 14 June 2020, 09:53:16 pm »
Thanks for the advice, appreciate it

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Engine Noise
« on: 14 June 2020, 05:56:45 pm »
I've only had it 300 miles, can't be sure i just missed it when I bought it is the problem there. I've read a few things here about resetting the cam tensioner, sometimes they get stuck but they can also be noisy when near the next notch, etc. Not sure if that's the sound it makes or if something else underlying?

I tried the screwdriver to ear and does sound much louder in the cam chain location but also assume this would be normal given it is in the middle of the action. The more I focus on it the more it's coming from the top of the block rather than things around it, so valves, cam chain, etc.

As the bike is new to me, I'm planning on changing out the filters, oil, check valve clearances, etc. While there was going to reset the tensioner, given the location easier while tank is off and can move the carbs out of the way. Honestly was considering a manual tensioner, I see some people swear by them.

Is flushing common, I've always been put off by horror stories of causing more damage than good by it. But then it's done 5.5k miles since 2006 (600 since 2017) and thinking there could be some build up with all the start/stop.

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Engine Noise
« on: 14 June 2020, 04:23:53 pm »
Thanks, I'll try that. Does it sound like any likely points to start trying or just go around in general? Was reading cam tensioner is a common problem on these.

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FZS600 Fazer / Engine Noise
« on: 14 June 2020, 02:32:41 pm »

Hi, I recently got an FZS600, returning to bikes after a decade or so off them.

I have noticed a ticking noise, I know there is a certain amount of noise as part of the character but it's been too long to remember exactly what that sounds like, bike only showing 17k miles so has been sat around a while in its life (1999 model).

Appreciate thoughts on this, videos below, sounds worse on videos but guess that helps identify things. Thanks

Engine cold
https://youtu.be/YuHcuMfyFCY

Engine Hot after 45 mins riding
https://youtu.be/sJN18c5Qcl0

Hopefully I've posted this in the right place.

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Introduction / Hello
« on: 14 June 2020, 01:27:50 pm »
Hi, recently returned to bikes after children and work commitments started to allow again. Had an FZS600 years ago and after test riding one I remembered why... Long story short, now I have another  :) .


I do have some concerns about ticking noise noticed since purchased. I know they can be noisy and is part of the character but it's been too long to remember what is normal, bike only at 17k miles so has been sat around a while in its life. Any advice appreciated.

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