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I treat it the same as whenever a new softwear update is released after beta testing once many 100's of thousands have downloaded it its only then that they find major problems and have to quickly release a patch, I never have my devices to auto update and I wait a few weeks first to see if people have had issues.
Just like I said on the 5th December, my instincts are to not be the first to adopt anything new until it has been tested "in the wild" They have now found out that those with existing severe allergic conditions should not have the vaccine. Also I thought this RNA vaccine was basically inert so I don't get why those with allergic conditions are having a reaction to it. Quote from: fazersharp on 05 December 2020, 10:21:52 am I treat it the same as whenever a new softwear update is released after beta testing once many 100's of thousands have downloaded it its only then that they find major problems and have to quickly release a patch, I never have my devices to auto update and I wait a few weeks first to see if people have had issues. It still looks like it does not stop you getting it and they do not know if it even stops you from spreading it, but what they say is that iit does reduce the symptoms and increase a positive outcome if you do get it. So as far as I can see once you have received the vaccine then that only increases the chance of you spreading it asymptomatically.So there for even when had the vaccine, if you do get covid you should still need to self isolate shouldn't you ?. I couldn't help but notice that the first to get it were the fittest youngest looking 90 year olds I have ever seen. One 91 year old bloke was interviewed and he explained how he DROVE to the hospital. Seems they are being a little careful as to not give it to any frail oldies - maybe just incase. Look out in the new year honours for those behind the vaccine, maybe even for the the trial volunteers too.
Quote from: Dudeofrude on 07 December 2020, 09:26:37 pm As Fazersharp said save it for the elderly and vulnerable. Those of us young or healthy enough to not worry about it will be fine, just like the seasonal flu.Except the evidence shows it's not quite like seasonal flu, with many young and healthy people being hit badly with some very worrying long term issues. Organ damage, loss of smell/taste, heart issues and other complications from the spread of tiny clots from the fall out. Many of which we're still coming to light and slowly being linked to Covid. Not to mention many young and healthy people from BAME background who have not faired well at all.
As Fazersharp said save it for the elderly and vulnerable. Those of us young or healthy enough to not worry about it will be fine, just like the seasonal flu.
My thinking is - either do a full lockdown, or let everything loose, and who lives-lives. This is like the worst choice. Like cutting a rotten limb in three takes, instead of just one cut.
Not a rant at all but a great perspective. Bad luck you have had a kicking from this, I think you are the first on the forum. I heard the other day that they have found a link between certain dna characteristics and the severity of the symptoms to explain why some people suffer more than others.Locking everyone for a month - year wont stop it as it will still be there waiting.Its interesting that even you - who has had it bad are still not sure about the vaccine.
There are trials going on to see the roll of antibodies, I know someone who is on one such trial being regularly tested for the antibodies after having covid, after a few months the antibodies disappeared, but then someone in close contact to them got covid and their antibodies reappeared again. So when people argue that antibodies do not last - that is not the whole picture, there is also the roll of "T" cells that hardly ever get mentioned in the media.
and the poor bastards awaiting some sort of operation or non covid treatment may now die before they get the chance. Thier cause of death wont be recorded as due to Covid, but in reality, it will be.
And then there's those who die 29 days after a positive test, who aren't counted.
I still think the only accurate measure is excess deaths over and above the average.
Yes and that can only be properly done after a whole year. Maybe April.
Quote from: agricola on 17 December 2020, 08:59:51 pmand the poor bastards awaiting some sort of operation or non covid treatment may now die before they get the chance. Thier cause of death wont be recorded as due to Covid, but in reality, it will be.And then there are those that get ran over by a bus and because they had covid 28 days ago they go down as a covid death. Or as I have noticed the phrasing has lightly changed when it is read out in the news." xxxx deaths where covid 19 was mentioned on the death certificate" Have we seen any reports in the UK news about an anaphylactic response that occurred in the states from someone without any previous allergic reactions. The UK news is ignoring it.
Quote Yes and that can only be properly done after a whole year. Maybe April.Why? Unless, in the unlikely event, we are expecting a dramatic fall off in deaths between now and April.
How about the newly found variant "faster spreading" --- faster how, I can find loads about "mutant faster spreading" but nothing that explains what it is that makes it faster. I was under the impression the current one was Fastest McFaster. It feels to me like it has been "found" to provide a reason for extra restrictions. How can it spread faster? -the only thing I can think of is shorter incubation ?. Which would translate in it showing earlier and that person being able to isolate before they unwittingly spread it - resulting in less infections.
It feels to me like it has been "found" to provide a reason for extra restrictions.
Yes that is exactly it. My feeling is that many of those that died in the early stages were going to die anyway perhaps in this winter which is why the death rate early on was high and I predict which is why the death rate for the whole year will show little if even no increase.
And then there's those who die 29 days after a positive test, who aren't counted.I still think the only accurate measure is excess deaths over and above the average.
On topic: the good soul won't skip the queue. I think that's beautiful https://www.businessinsider.com/pfizer-ceo-albert-bourla-wait-cut-line-covid-19-vaccine-2020-12
QuoteOn topic: the good soul won't skip the queue. I think that's beautiful https://www.businessinsider.com/pfizer-ceo-albert-bourla-wait-cut-line-covid-19-vaccine-2020-12Beautiful I think its frightening. The CEO doesn't even trust his own vaccine. Just the same as every politician questioned if they will be seen to be vaccinated "yes yes absolutely I will take it yes yes but I am not yet in the roll out" Do we know of any old duffers in the house of Lords that have taken it yet.
Quote from: mtread on 18 December 2020, 06:07:09 pmAnd then there's those who die 29 days after a positive test, who aren't counted.I still think the only accurate measure is excess deaths over and above the average.My talent of finding problems, and seeing things from all sides In a special measures situation - stay at home, not nearly as much travelling, even curfews, masks...the number of deaths may not increase. Fewer traffic accidents. Fewer people sick from flu and other diseases - because of all the extra measures, social distancing, staying at home etc.Then, there's probably a larger number of heart related problems/deaths - from less moving, more stress etc.
Yes from looking at mtreads, next -slide - please. it shows far more excess deaths from non covid than covid.