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General => General => Topic started by: Yammi on 06 June 2013, 05:00:32 pm

Title: Blowout
Post by: Yammi on 06 June 2013, 05:00:32 pm
Well there goes another tyre at £140  :'(
Title: Re: Blowout
Post by: Exupnut on 06 June 2013, 05:02:35 pm
U mean tyre off the rim or puncture?
Title: Re: Blowout
Post by: Skippernick on 06 June 2013, 05:03:58 pm
Blimey are you ok? how fast were you going etc?
Title: Re: Blowout
Post by: caretaker on 06 June 2013, 05:09:51 pm
you found a coin in your tyre!! :lol
Title: Re: Blowout
Post by: Raymy on 06 June 2013, 06:05:53 pm
I thought it was only 20p and 50p that could pierce a tyre
Title: Re: Blowout
Post by: Punkstig on 06 June 2013, 06:58:25 pm
How big's the hole?


I use crafty pluggers!


http://www.craftyplugger.com/ (http://www.craftyplugger.com/)
Title: Re: Blowout
Post by: Exupnut on 06 June 2013, 07:41:32 pm
+ 1,000,000
Title: Re: Blowout
Post by: Yammi on 06 June 2013, 08:02:25 pm
U mean tyre off the rim or puncture?



Puncture 3/8 drill bit straight through centre of tread hit inside of wheel then bent over.
Blimey are you ok? how fast were you going etc?



 Very lucky just came from a 60 down to a 30 then bang.






How big's the hole?


I use crafty pluggers!


[url]http://www.craftyplugger.com/[/url] ([url]http://www.craftyplugger.com/[/url])



The hole was 10 to 15 mm ,tyre fitter says 3mm max for a plug.
Title: Re: Blowout
Post by: demic77 on 06 June 2013, 09:37:59 pm
I feel your pain mate, I picked up a big self tapper in my back un on t'way to NW Foccers ride out.  :wall



Heard it ticking before it blew though
Title: Re: Blowout
Post by: Punkstig on 06 June 2013, 10:49:21 pm
Meh, double plug it eh exup!?
Title: Re: Blowout
Post by: bozboz on 06 June 2013, 11:56:23 pm
How big's the hole?


I use crafty pluggers!


[url]http://www.craftyplugger.com/[/url] ([url]http://www.craftyplugger.com/[/url])

Gets my vote!
Title: Re: Blowout
Post by: Exupnut on 07 June 2013, 12:10:13 am

Meh, double plug it eh exup!?

I only do that to women :-)
Title: Re: Blowout
Post by: chaz on 07 June 2013, 12:10:32 am
A mate got a 6mm bolt in his rear tyre and the head was hitting his hugger so he got a twig the right size pulled the bolt out and stuck the twig in and rode the few miles home.
Title: Re: Blowout
Post by: Punkstig on 07 June 2013, 12:46:26 pm
The best I ever heard of was a broken spark plug, yep a whole spark plug embedded into the tyre!
Title: Re: Blowout
Post by: Stooby2 on 07 June 2013, 02:18:36 pm
This is my best effort so far - an M8x50mm bolt straight into the back tyre. Picked it up on the way to work a while ago - had to take the pic and email it to my boss to show him I really did have a puncture and wasn't still in bed!
Title: Blowout
Post by: Exupnut on 07 June 2013, 02:29:22 pm
Foc me if that aint the biggest bolt i seen in a tyre. Isnt it sad how our employers dont trust us.
Title: Re: Blowout
Post by: clayt74 on 07 June 2013, 03:56:11 pm
Lol best photoshop ever!!!!!  :rollin :rollin :rollin

Gonna try n use that excuse myself!

Only kidding. .... nasty puncture, my rear currently has 3 plugs n only done 1.5k!!
Tyre that is :\
Title: Re: Blowout
Post by: JZS 600 on 07 June 2013, 04:56:47 pm
I had a 6 inch nail go through the tread ond out through the side wall on the back.
 
Foc knows how long it was there before I noticed it, I used to have a relaxed approach to checking the bike in those days
 
 
Title: Re: Blowout
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 07 June 2013, 06:56:40 pm
Quote
I use crafty pluggers!

Only as a temp low speed short distance get home fix I hope!

I had a blow out at 90mph on a dual carriageway a few years back, it was just a few days after getting a previous puncture fixed.  By the time I limped off at the exit which lucky for me was just a few hundred yards away and found somewhere safe to stop the tyre was mince.   It's a bummer.

Whenever I've had a puncture I just call the RAC.  Once carted home, and two temp fixes.
Title: Re: Blowout
Post by: Yammi on 07 June 2013, 11:29:13 pm

British Standards for puncture repairs
[size=78%]A British standard exists for motorcycle tyre repairs (BSAU159f), which determines the strength of the repair and where it can and can’t be made in the [/size]
Being a British Standard, it is a recommendation only, and not the law.
BSAU159f states that no repairs are allowed in the sidewalls (these flex continuously and a repair is likely to fail), and the standard says repairs are not allowed on high speed Z-rated tyres.


It says a tyre must be inspected by an expert for secondary damage (a nail which punctures the tread might also damage the sidewall inside), run-flat damage (determined by a darkened or marbled appearance inside the sidewall), exposed cords and so on.
Michelin, however, is the only manufacturer that recommends that its Z rated tyres can be repaired in accordance with the previous BSAU159e.
Repairs can only be made in the centre of the tread area, to within 25% of each side of the centre line.


Only two repairs per tyre are allowed up to the J (62mph) speed rating, and one up to the V (over 130mph with 155mph maximum) speed rating. Up to the J rating, repairs no bigger than 6mm are allowed, and up to the V rating only up to 3mm is allowed.
All repairs must be carried out with a mushroom-type plug, which fits into the puncture hole from the inside and bonds with the tyre by vulcanisation.
Anything else and the BS says the tyre must be chucked. If your tyre repairer says the same and quotes similar reasons, he’s being honest.
Title: Re: Blowout
Post by: Punkstig on 08 June 2013, 09:38:16 am
Which is all a load of bollox IMO,
Easily done over 40 repairs with crafty pluggers and they last the life of the tyre.
I wouldn't use a repaired tyre on a track day as I'll push everything to the limit, but on road I'm not exceeding 85mph.
The only repair I didn't make was when the screw went in right on the edge of the tyre at the join of the sidewall and in the sipe,  not on the meat, tyre was only a week old too!  :\


Had the bike inspecting on the side of the road by police and they've seen and felt the repair and not had a problem with it!


I frequently buy 2nd hand repaired rears, not a problem!
Title: Re: Blowout
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 08 June 2013, 11:37:36 am
Every bike shop I've ever worked in has had a pretty even consensus that even on z rated tyres mushroom plugs are o.k., up to 2 in any one tyre, all other things considered. I'm betting that, even though most people who work in bike workshops have just learnt their trade over time without any "official" qualifications, the tyre manufacturers would include them as experts! Whilst some are more knowledgable than others, I've worked with enough very experienced people to trust the two-plug-per-tyre line.
Title: Blowout
Post by: Exupnut on 08 June 2013, 01:01:18 pm
Which is all a load of bollox IMO,
Easily done over 40 repairs with crafty pluggers


Yeah... Its a load of crap... I always carry a crafty plugger kit (apart from the lofo ride when i got a puncture as i'd run out) i've never had any problems and the thing with this kit is the shaft that pops in the plug is quite thin as is the plug itself. U dont want to be making the hole any bigger. For screws nails rivets etc its a sound fix if u get it right and that takes a bit of practice but not to difficult to stick another one in.
The rac and aa use a standard bmw kit which involves sticking in a fukin great rasp to widen and smooth the hole( wot 4 ?) then they squirt some shit blue messy rubber compound into it and shove a "wedge" in. No wonder its only rated up to 40mph. The reason crafty pluggers last the life of the tyre is A-dont make the hole any bigger B-the compound on the plug warms and cools with the tyre C-it uses tyre pressure to form the seal.
Simple and brilliant idea

I still rekon one and a half turns tho....

(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/06/08/ve9esu7u.jpg)

http://www.craftyplugger.com/

But i only bought it for the premium quality inserting tool hehe
Title: Re: Blowout
Post by: Slaninar on 08 June 2013, 02:45:39 pm
If it's a rear tyre, I would reapir - not throw away. For the front... well, depends.

Anyway, shops should be able to fix it with a "mushroom" from the inside. I'm sure they will fix punctures over 3mm, perhaps even your 10mm one. That way your tyre will be safe.

These situations are why I prefer Pirelis and Metzelers (Bridgestone too) to Michelin: proper steel belts, not just impregnated canvas that is ripped apart easily.
Title: Re: Blowout
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 08 June 2013, 05:41:35 pm
Had no problems having plugs done on Michelin PR2s. 10mm is way too big a hole to have repaired cos you're talking about tyre structure being weakened at that size.
Title: Re: Blowout
Post by: Grahamm on 08 June 2013, 10:38:38 pm
As I'm sure I've mentioned once or twice before ;) I prefer Puncturesafe which plugs the hole *before* the tyre starts deflating, so you don't wreck the sidewalls or have to fix it and then pump it back up again.

Fortunately I've not yet needed it, but it's always good to know it's in there (and, no, before anyone says, it's not the nasty stuff that tyre repairers hate, given that I got it installed by Russ's Tyres in Horndean :) )
Title: Re: Blowout
Post by: simonm on 09 June 2013, 10:22:03 pm
Crafty plugger looks awesome.  Just need a few co2 bottles or a mini air compressor too ?
Title: Re: Blowout
Post by: Slaninar on 10 June 2013, 05:23:34 am
Crafty plugger looks awesome.  Just need a few co2 bottles or a mini air compressor too ?

CO2, definitely. Then add up with a bicylce tyre - it takes more time and effort, but it is small to carry.
Title: Re: Blowout
Post by: Punkstig on 10 June 2013, 01:14:10 pm
There's more than enough space under the seat for a halfords £15, mini compressor, kust need a cigarette lighter socket attached to the battery if you don't already have one!
Title: Re: Blowout
Post by: Slaninar on 10 June 2013, 01:16:01 pm
There's more than enough space under the seat for a halfords £15, mini compressor, kust need a cigarette lighter socket attached to the battery if you don't already have one!


Real men use bicycle pumps... and that is only because blowing with mouth directly can get your lips dirty and ladies don't like that! 

:)