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General => General => Topic started by: Hedgetrimmer on 29 February 2016, 02:32:20 pm
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Got the new shed installed today :)
So now I need to figure out the best way to actually make it accessible for the bikes :rolleyes (yes, I knew this was coming). Here's the problem that needs solving:
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As you can see, there is a rise of about 2-3 inches on the bottom jamb that needs to be bridged with some kind of ramp. The gravel at the shed base as it stands is almost level with the edge of the existing patio slabs, maybe just slightly higher. I'm thinking of extending the paving slabs right up to the shed base, but they can't be sloped to the top of the door jamb obviously. So I'm going to need some kind of ramp. Should be enough room that it doesn't need to be a particularly steep incline, but will need to be easy to move around. So before I just go and get someone to make me a wooden ramp (crap at DIY myself), I wondered if anyone might have seen anything readily available/be able to come up with some ingenious solution?
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How about having the door jamb removable or hinged .
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How about having the door jamb removable or hinged .
That would only partially solve the issue because the jamb itself is just the top piece of wood. There'd still be about an inch of rise to get the bikes up onto. Also, the jamb is rising that inch or so above the shed floor, so got to get over that when getting the bikes out again, which your idea would solve. Hmmm.......
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My son in law made this out of, off cuts for me, works a treat
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My son in law made this out of, off cuts for me, works a treat
Yep, that's the obvious solution that I had in mind from the start, but just wondered if anyone might have other ideas, as I'm not very good at coming up with stuff, and maybe there are other ways too? I like the way he's made that so you can approach it from an angle though, good thinking.
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Yes , it flips over so you can go in from either way, we looked at all sorts, the best easy solution would be a bike or car ramp , the type for loading on a small truck.
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I would remove most of the jamb, maybe leave 100mm at each side to screw it down, then get some scaffold boards to make a ramp about 4 wide, batterns on the underside to keep them together and bed them on the gravel so the doors clear them, treat them with preservitive and they should last years. You can buy 2nds for around £1 a foot?
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I would remove most of the jamb, maybe leave 100mm at each side to screw it down, then get some scaffold boards to make a ramp about 4 wide, batterns on the underside to keep them together and bed them on the gravel so the doors clear them, treat them with preservitive and they should last years. You can buy 2nds for around £1 a foot?
But the doors drop almost to the level of the concrete base, i.e., beyond the top surface of the shed floor level, so you'd still have an inch or more of rise to get up. So, short of taking a bit off the bottom of the doors....Hmmmm...... :\
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why not lay some flags on a slight slope as a permanent access?
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slab to the level of the shed floor leaving a 40mm gap so no water runs in the shed, then cut the jamb away apart from about 100mm each side and bolt them down. don't forget you can cross cut a slab to suit most levels.. have a look around where you live they have disabled access everywhere same thing really.
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i rest a round steel tube in front of mine. the bike rolls over it easier. then chuck it back in the shed.
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How's about
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Alloy-Folding-Aluminium-Motorcycle-Bike-Motorbike-MX-Van-Loading-Ramp-/131552409527?hash=item1ea12277b7:g:OoMAAOSw9N1VnN6W (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Alloy-Folding-Aluminium-Motorcycle-Bike-Motorbike-MX-Van-Loading-Ramp-/131552409527?hash=item1ea12277b7:g:OoMAAOSw9N1VnN6W)
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Mmmm...tricky one that mr trimmer...the doors dropping below the shed floor is your biggest problem...how about a "hinged bridge ramp "( just made that up, good init :lol ) screwed to the shed floor, open doors fold down ramp, a ramp up to clear the door jamb and then a smaller one down to the shed floor......or , fix the small ramp inside the shed and just have the bigger one hinged....
oh....nice shed :thumbup...but whats the hole in the floor for, to let the flood water out ? :rolleyes
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slab to the level of the shed floor leaving a 40mm gap so no water runs in the shed, then cut the jamb away apart from about 100mm each side and bolt them down. don't forget you can cross cut a slab to suit most levels.. have a look around where you live they have disabled access everywhere same thing really.
Yep this would be my solution also, a slow rise of the slabs from the ones already there along with cutting the bottom of the doors off flush with the new slab level.
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just a paving slab or two outside the shed door to make a small step would fix the problem. Doesn't need to be elaborate, or smooth. Just needs to work.
Failing that, a piece of 4x2 laid across the width of the shed.
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Another thought.....might be good idea to reinforce the floor of the shed, a lot of weight in two small areas when the bikes on the centre stand, parhaps a piece of sheet steel, nothing too thick or it will be harder to lift the bike onto the stand...
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Mmmm...tricky one that mr trimmer...the doors dropping below the shed floor is your biggest problem...how about a "hinged bridge ramp "( just made that up, good init :lol ) screwed to the shed floor, open doors fold down ramp, a ramp up to clear the door jamb and then a smaller one down to the shed floor......or , fix the small ramp inside the shed and just have the bigger one hinged....
oh....nice shed :thumbup ...but whats the hole in the floor for, to let the flood water out ? :rolleyes
All sounds a bit complex :rolleyes I thought about similar actually, but then you have all that ramp gubbins on the shed floor getting in the way when the bikes are inside.
The hole is for a ground anchor ;)
The problem I see with trimming the bottom of the door is that it weakens the security of the doors, because then they will just be closing against the jamb, which is merely screwed into place. And if some of the jamb does need to be removed, worse still. Also, there is a securing bolt mounted at the bottom of the door which locks by sitting behind the jamb. Still thinking... :\
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Agree with you on modifying the doors, probably not a good idea to cut/remove the jamb either.....how about a pop up ramp, open doors, raise ramp , remove bike......and you thought my last idea was complex :lol......thing with a standard ramp will be moving it out ot the way to shut the doors and then having somewhere to put it when not in use.
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How about similar to this but hinged along the entrance to the shed. Could also be bolted with padlocks giving extra security.
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Looking at your doors , cutting them shouldn't be a problem , you could replace the bottom vertical offcuts with a hinged horizontal one , then as you open the doors they lift up . You could use a piece of conduit on the inside of the jamb to protect it , the bikes will just run over it , you could hold the conduit in place with saddles .
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A drop down / drawn bridge ramp the width of the door way would be good, in the up position it could be bolt at the two top corners and used to add security to the doors. Also with the floor possibly needing more strength to cope with the weight of the bike, putting extra boards down could be used to raise the floor to match the door jib, this would remove the bump as you push the bike out.
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The problem I see with trimming the bottom of the door is that it weakens the security of the doors, because then they will just be closing against the jamb, which is merely screwed into place. And if some of the jamb does need to be removed, worse still. Also, there is a securing bolt mounted at the bottom of the door which locks by sitting behind the jamb. Still thinking... :\
I dont think you need to worry too much about security as for a start they are thin wooden doors and that little bolt (held in place with 10mm screws ?? ) one little tug and it will just fall off.
Better -20mm ply covered with a sheet of galvanised steel with any attachments being bolted all the way through with a rounded head on the outside.
Or get yourself on ebay and buy cheaply a set of upvc patio doors, there are always some on there when people take them out for an extension.
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Grab yourself a piece of 10mm alluminium checker plate from a metal supplier/fabricator about 750mm wide by 600mm long and drill about an 8mm hole in either end of the 750mm wide side about 30mm from the edge and countersink the holes, get a couple of 8mm stainless steel countersunk screws about out 50mm long, put them through the the checker plate wind a couple of nuts and washers on the back. Rest the bolts on the bottom timber plate/door threshold where you want to position the ramp and clout the two screws with a hammer just hard enough to mark the threshold, drill two 10mm holes in threshold on the marks, now the ramp will locate in the holes so not move when you push or ride the bike into the shed and when not in use the flat piece of checker plate will stand against the wall just inside the shed. Jobs a Gudun.
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there are so many options here nick, I,ts a case of how you want it to look the round steel tube is a good one. you could grab a lump of turf and stamp it in front of the door. it would work. ;)
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I have got a great idea why dont you let each focer build you a section and then you can put it all together, looking like this
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Grab yourself a piece of 10mm alluminium checker plate from a metal supplier/fabricator about 750mm wide by 600mm long and drill about an 8mm hole in either end of the 750mm wide side about 30mm from the edge and countersink the holes, get a couple of 8mm stainless steel countersunk screws about out 50mm long, put them through the the checker plate wind a couple of nuts and washers on the back. Rest the bolts on the bottom timber plate/door threshold where you want to position the ramp and clout the two screws with a hammer just hard enough to mark the threshold, drill two 10mm holes in threshold on the marks, now the ramp will locate in the holes so not move when you push or ride the bike into the shed and when not in use the flat piece of checker plate will stand against the wall just inside the shed. Jobs a Gudun.
I like this one. Even I could knock that up :rolleyes And noted red98's point about floor strength and stands, so will do something about that too. Either another floor layer, which would take it nearer to flush with the top of the jamb, or stand plates, and could then maybe lay a plank of about half the jamb depth against it to lessen the bump.
I have got a great idea why dont you let each focer build you a section and then you can put it all together, looking like this
Fazersharp, you've forgotten to take your pills again :lol
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Have a look on ebay for roller door or security roller door, I think that would solve a lot of problems. You dont need the door to be the full width of the shed just 3/4 would be wide enough. So you can buy a cheep second hand roller and fill the rest in on either side if its not exactly the right width.
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Have a look on ebay for roller door or security roller door, I think that would solve a lot of problems. You dont need the door to be the full width of the shed just 3/4 would be wide enough. So you can buy a cheep second hand roller and fill the rest in on either side if its not exactly the right width.
Security is something I'll be looking into more, but for now, I want to get the paving finished and I think I'll use some sort of ramp, maybe what Tommyardin suggested, to get me up and running. Interesting suggestion though, but not sure I'm capable of rigging it up myself. I'll look into it.
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You wont need any floor door jams,,just cause problems,,or have one that you lift out to get bike out,,sits in slots either end.
Masonary,slabs for ramp, not wood,more permanent. Chain bikes together,,always hard to move then.
I have just put ground anchor in my garage,,big link polished chain was just £4.50 metre, cheap as chips, will put another in.
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You wont need any floor door jams,,just cause problems,,or have one that you lift out to get bike out,,sits in slots either end.
Masonary,slabs for ramp, not wood,more permanent. Chain bikes together,,always hard to move then.
I have just put ground anchor in my garage,,big link polished chain was just £4.50 metre, cheap as chips, will put another in.
You're missing it too :rolleyes It's not just the floor jamb. Have another look at the photo. The doors extend down beyond the floorboard level as well, so even if I completely removed the jamb, I still couldn't pave to the shed floor level, or the doors wouldn't open. There'll be plenty of chains and locks, will have a ground anchor installed, disc locks etc. Got to put a metal grill over the window, and a blind to block the view through it when not in use. I've got to complete the patio paving, am currently putting a weather-proof top coat on the shed (it has a base coat)....it's a lot of work, I'm not used to work :lol
Oh, and wondering if it might be an idea to put a protective coat of some sort on the floor boards, in case of spillages of oils, fluids etc?
Might have everything done in ten year's time :'(
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there are so many options here nick, I,ts a case of how you want it to look the round steel tube is a good one. you could grab a lump of turf and stamp it in front of the door. it would work. ;)
Naughty ole taylor, that piece of turf will also rot the threshold of the shed out to when it get wet, cos it will stay wet for an absolute age during the bad weather, and its a bodge, I will not ask you to help set up my carbs or help with my valve clearances. :fish [size=78%] [/size]
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[/size][size=78%]that is what I would do any way. If I had a nice turf I might go the other route[/size][size=78%] :rollin [/size][size=78%] [/size][size=78%]
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LOL here is me trying to sound ecucated and give advice and I cant even f-----g type
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Or spell EDUCATED
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There'll be plenty of chains and locks, will have a ground anchor installed, disc locks etc. Got to put a metal grill over the window, and a blind to block the view through it when not in use. I've got to complete the patio paving, am currently putting a weather-proof top coat on the shed (it has a base coat)....it's a lot of work, I'm not used to work :lol
Oh I think its going to look beautiful
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I have it on good authority that 8mm would be heavy enough to carry the weight of a heavy bike as its only about a 600mm long ramp.
that is what I would do any way. If I had a nice turf I might go the other route :rollin
There you go, you can even read your educated stuff now :)
You can go back into your posts and modify them to save you the embarrassing moments :lol
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Nice shed, was just wondering if you were planning on running any power to it before you finish the slab work?
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Yeah, need to price that up. Not something I want to tackle myself. I've got power and lighting in the other shed, so might be a bit cheaper if it can run from that.
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With regard to wooden ramps, for a long lasting one I would go for at least 12mm maring ply,18 would be my ideal choice but the strengh is in the sub structure, take a look at TEX's ramp, all the weight is on the vertical uprights beneath the ramp it self .top it off with a bit of roofing felt so its not slippy when wet......I do believe ive just done FOCU's first risk assessment :lol
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I have it on good authority that 8mm would be heavy enough to carry the weight of a heavy bike as its only about a 600mm long ramp.
that is what I would do any way. If I had a nice turf I might go the other route :rollin
There you go, you can even read your educated stuff now :)
You can go back into your posts and modify them to save you the embarrassing moments :lol
Thank you Sinto, you are a gent and a scholar :sun
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With regard to wooden ramps, for a long lasting one I would go for at least 12mm maring ply,18 would be my ideal choice but the strengh is in the sub structure, take a look at TEX's ramp, all the weight is on the vertical uprights beneath the ramp it self .top it off with a bit of roofing felt so its not slippy when wet......I do believe ive just done FOCU's first risk assessment :lol
Do you think he needs a handrail as well?....don't want him falling off!
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I don't have problems with my shed so much but do have a drop of one brick on the path. Would one of these do?
http://www.aspli.com/products/1138/wheelchair-ramp-mobility-scooter-and-wheelie-bin-kerb-ramp?gclid=CjwKEAiApOq2BRDoo8SVjZHV7TkSJABLe2iDiNItVqQ75K3TuO1wAaakjdLksxcXrOqE7XIwcLvFKRoCVNHw_wcB (http://www.aspli.com/products/1138/wheelchair-ramp-mobility-scooter-and-wheelie-bin-kerb-ramp?gclid=CjwKEAiApOq2BRDoo8SVjZHV7TkSJABLe2iDiNItVqQ75K3TuO1wAaakjdLksxcXrOqE7XIwcLvFKRoCVNHw_wcB)
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I don't have problems with my shed so much but do have a drop of one brick on the path. Would one of these do?
[url]http://www.aspli.com/products/1138/wheelchair-ramp-mobility-scooter-and-wheelie-bin-kerb-ramp?gclid=CjwKEAiApOq2BRDoo8SVjZHV7TkSJABLe2iDiNItVqQ75K3TuO1wAaakjdLksxcXrOqE7XIwcLvFKRoCVNHw_wcB[/url] ([url]http://www.aspli.com/products/1138/wheelchair-ramp-mobility-scooter-and-wheelie-bin-kerb-ramp?gclid=CjwKEAiApOq2BRDoo8SVjZHV7TkSJABLe2iDiNItVqQ75K3TuO1wAaakjdLksxcXrOqE7XIwcLvFKRoCVNHw_wcB[/url])
Oh Dear, It says it can support weight up to 250Kg. So your onto a winner provided-
You weigh less than 45Kg or you don't stand on it at the same time as the bike! :lol
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I don't have problems with my shed so much but do have a drop of one brick on the path. Would one of these do?
[url]http://www.aspli.com/products/1138/wheelchair-ramp-mobility-scooter-and-wheelie-bin-kerb-ramp?gclid=CjwKEAiApOq2BRDoo8SVjZHV7TkSJABLe2iDiNItVqQ75K3TuO1wAaakjdLksxcXrOqE7XIwcLvFKRoCVNHw_wcB[/url] ([url]http://www.aspli.com/products/1138/wheelchair-ramp-mobility-scooter-and-wheelie-bin-kerb-ramp?gclid=CjwKEAiApOq2BRDoo8SVjZHV7TkSJABLe2iDiNItVqQ75K3TuO1wAaakjdLksxcXrOqE7XIwcLvFKRoCVNHw_wcB[/url])
Oh Dear, It says it can support weight up to 250Kg. So your onto a winner provided-
You weigh less than 45Kg or you don't stand on it at the same time as the bike! :lol
Thinking outside the box - it had occurred to me....
Problem solved:
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SWL 273kgs, and easy to get the bikes up and down without standing on it too :D
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Problem solved:
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SWL 273kgs, and easy to get the bikes up and down without standing on it too :D
That looks just the job, and maybe as suggested in an earlier post, you could put a couple of bolts through it and that'll help it from moving.
Where did you get it?
Looks like a problem solver for my work, any links or prices would be great thanks :)
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I got it at a local 'disability solutions' shop and paid more than I care to mention as I got impatient to have it sorted today :lol
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http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mobility-Scooter-Wheelchair-Portable-Lightweight-Folding-Suitcase-access-Ramp/121646381678?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D35391%26meid%3D9ad77f2766cd4251a266ab55b44b1ee7%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D6%26mehot%3Dag%26sd%3D172090519615 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mobility-Scooter-Wheelchair-Portable-Lightweight-Folding-Suitcase-access-Ramp/121646381678?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D35391%26meid%3D9ad77f2766cd4251a266ab55b44b1ee7%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D6%26mehot%3Dag%26sd%3D172090519615)
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[url]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mobility-Scooter-Wheelchair-Portable-Lightweight-Folding-Suitcase-access-Ramp/121646381678?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D35391%26meid%3D9ad77f2766cd4251a266ab55b44b1ee7%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D6%26mehot%3Dag%26sd%3D172090519615[/url] ([url]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mobility-Scooter-Wheelchair-Portable-Lightweight-Folding-Suitcase-access-Ramp/121646381678?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D35391%26meid%3D9ad77f2766cd4251a266ab55b44b1ee7%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D6%26mehot%3Dag%26sd%3D172090519615[/url])
Trouble I thought there might be with that type is that if you're pushing the bike on from an angle, you'll be crossing the hinged centre, which I don't think is designed to support the weight, as it's for four-wheel mobility scooters whose wheels will sit either side on the actual ramp sections?
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Alright then....http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Wheelchair-Threshold-Step-Ramp-1-x-8-x-30-Door-Ramp-Anti-Slip-Free-P-P/271005799092?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D35391%26meid%3D678e742496d34b55954a09085e45a9b5%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D5%26rkt%3D6%26mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D221825525448 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Wheelchair-Threshold-Step-Ramp-1-x-8-x-30-Door-Ramp-Anti-Slip-Free-P-P/271005799092?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D35391%26meid%3D678e742496d34b55954a09085e45a9b5%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D5%26rkt%3D6%26mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D221825525448)
Or.... http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Door-Ramp/182030654795?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D35391%26meid%3Dca60db289f94460caa6a8f3ef8cb6902%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D271005799092 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Door-Ramp/182030654795?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D35391%26meid%3Dca60db289f94460caa6a8f3ef8cb6902%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D271005799092)
So......how much did you pay ? :lol
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Enough to suggest I might be disabled in other ways :lol
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:lol
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:rollin watch you don't slip if it is wet. :eek
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Could this be the way forward . . . :lol
http://www.nippi.co.uk/ (http://www.nippi.co.uk/)
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Why not extend the slabs then add something like a coping stone (you know the ones placed on tops of walls) to act as a ramp
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My shed floor level is about 150mm off the level of the road, I have a scaffold board about a metre long that I place on a couple of bricks to run the bike in/out, then remove the board into shed once done, I will try and get some pics in daylight.