compulsory ABS petition

[phil on a fazer]

 
Have a read
 
www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/read-the-...new_petition_recruit
 
 

[BBROWN1664]

linky no worky

[Fazerider]

Try this.

[Grahamm]

Signed and shared

[bri h]

signed

[paulkemp]

WHAT  you are mad.......
Do u also want someone to ride it for you ????
A good rider doesn't need ABS.
No ABS or Traction control for me, I like to control bike myself. Don't need or want a computer to take over

[slimwilly]

So as to sign it means you are against compulsary fitment of abs ?

[lew600fazer]

ABS has to be one of the best safety features for motorcycles invented since disc brakes, flashing indicators and half decent lights.
Wonder how many on this forum can remember back in the day on old British bikes when you pulled the brakes on it nearly had the same effect as pulling the fecking clutch lever in.
Lew

[keithfzs1000]

Granted good gizmo for new or inexperienced riders so therefore maybe put them on the A2 class bikes but give me good standard of normal brakes and the right to ride my bike, NOTHING should be compulsory if

 the bike passes the current mot I am wearing a helmet and If I speed then its my license


Next thing  will be  ferkin yellow vests stabilisers no mods and the bikes restricted to 90bhp ffs

I got and have rode my  bikes for 35 years  for the enjoyment of the ride the freedom and the thrill if you cant ride a bike without the need of ABS I suggest you get off them altogether

SO NO ABS UNLESS YOU WANT IT

[noggythenog]

Ive locked up my front end twice now....im a twonk!......i would like ABS but i dont think it should be required for everyone.

[ChristoT]

Next thing  will be  ferkin yellow vests stabilisers no mods and the bikes restricted to 90bhp ffs

The crazy thing: New riders can generally only afford old bikes. So they can't get ABS.

As for your comment above, Keith, that's what France tried/is trying. Yet they still don't have MOTs for bikes...

[gtfire]

I think this is a waste of time as legislation has already been passed. Not sure of dates but any bike over 125cc after around 2016 WILL have ABS.
They will also have traction control. Along with lights, indicators, an MOT and riders wearing helmets. Sorry but we are not allowed to choose and never have done!

[locksmith]

An argument could be, if you think you don't need abs as you've never locked your front wheel, then you'll never use it if its fitted so what are you bleating about

I cant remember ever doing it on the bike and I cant recall the last time I felt the pedal shudder whilst driving either. See the traction control light flashing quiet often in the car

[acid drop]

  ABS or no ABS it should be a matter of choice

[ChristoT]

[...] Along with lights, indicators, an MOT [...]

No lights or indicators needed for daytime MOT....

[JoeRock]

Great deal of the accidents involving bikes are situations in which wheels have been lost under braking, and it's particularly common in the fresh to bikes/scooters accident demographic of about 17-25, which covers about 60% of the accident population (might be interesting to know only about 25% of motorcycle accidents are due to other vehicles). They're basically arguing that ABS should be compulsory on bikes to stop these guys from having these type of beginner accidents.


Long as they don't force it to be retrospectively fitted I don't care, I'd certainly not refuse to buy a new bike with ABS fitted, the vast majority of the newer systems coming too fall short pretty much only of professional racers, and I'm sure as hell not good enough to notice any possible deficits there!

[JoeRock]

Manufacturers recommend replacement of brake lines at 4 years.Each manufacturer uses unique fittings, so that only original equipment manufacture (OEM) replacements are available for ABS machines. Therefore the legislation has negative UK and European Union implications to large and small scale business by excluding aftermarket suppliers, e.g. Goodridge, Venhill, HEL, Cobra. - Wrong, you can buy braided brake hoses from the majority of these suppliers
It is not possible to air-bleed ABS brake lines without specialised equipment, further discriminating against home mechanics. - Wrong, you can on some of them, they're just more difficult to do.
ABS units have a potentially high failure rate, and extremely high replacement costs in the region of 2000 Euros, which will lead to early scrapping of bikes. - True in much older bikes using much older, more age-effected materials, but not any more today?
Neither ABS nor linked braking has been proven to be completely safe for all Powered Two Wheel (PTW) vehicles under all road conditions. - True, but they have shown to have a positive impact on the number of people having crashes (as I  said previously)
The Commission envisages allowing continued use of vehicles which have faulty ABS systems: however with some motorcycles an ABS failure severely disables Braking. - Completely wrong, they have to be designed so that if they fail the system is just turned off, rather than applying/not applying the brakes.
Riders who have become dependent on this technology, or have never ridden without it, will be a safety liability if it fails. - No more so than riders beginning their biking careers now having not ridden before.

[Lawrence]

 

I have nothing against it and agree with the points made above.

Whoever set up that petition needs to do a bit more research next time.

And as for the moron who's put

Are there proposals to make all cars have ABS? Thought not.

  It's been mandatory for cars sold in the EU for 7 years now.

[bigralphie]

I have both traction control and abs......it does not mean you forget how ride 
I don't mind technology that only kicks in a emergency , prefer abs to dual linked brakes

 Would not have added it as cost option but it didnt put me off buying my ZZR
Caused a couple of mates to shake their heads on a wet ride out because I was spinning the back up to understand what the different traction control levels did 

[Mattsplat]

It is not possible to air-bleed ABS brake lines without specialised equipment, further discriminating against home mechanics. - Wrong, you can on some of them, they're just more difficult to do.[/size][/font][/color]

Can you shed any light on how I go about bleeding my abs brakes if I buy braided hoses?

[Slaninar]

All those gizmos are good, excellent. ABS, traction control etc. They all work. A good rider IS better than an ABS, but only when he's rested, concentrated and in dry conditions. In most other cases, even pro riders can not "outbrake" ABS.


The only problem I have with making those things compulsory is cost-benefit. I would rather get the EURO emmision standards and ABS out of the way and buy bike for half the price - a bike that performs. Like the good old FZS, that can no longer be made due to those stupid regulations.

[goldfazer]

A good rider doesn't need ABS.

A great rider accepts he has limitations and isn't perfect. And that shit happens.

[AdieR]

ABS has good and bad points: it may help in some situations, and hinder in others. It's a tool, not a be-all-and-end-all magic wand.

One risk of any safety feature is the human on top taking increased risks ("beating" the safety advancement). No technology on the planet will prevent someone throwing themselves down the road if they're sufficiently determined. It isn't a replacement for riding skills, or good observation.

My bike doesn't have ABS, and personally I don't want it either (for the time being anyway).

[kawasutra]

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