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General => General => Topic started by: MadDogMcQ on 02 September 2012, 05:58:23 pm
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For the first time ever, I was asked to remove my helmet at a petrol station. I was halfway through fuelling when I feintly heard the call over the tannoy, so I just ignored it and carried on. When I went inside (Texaco station on Garstang Rd, Preston), there was a long queue, so before I reached the tills, another biker had arrived and he was told to remove his helmet (which he did).
When I got to the till, I was told in no uncertain terms, by one of the three assistants, that the next time I come to the station, I must remove my helmet. Why? I asked. He explained that I must remove my helmet for security reasons to make my face visible and identifiable. Okay, that's fine I said. But if I was a lady wearing a burka, would you make me remove that?
He squirmed and shrugged his shoulders and explained to me that he didn't make the rules. If I don't remove helmet next time, he'll not activate the pump. I explained to him that I won't be returning to the station again anyway!
I wasn't trying to be arsy about it, but FFS, I wasn't a young hoodie on a feckin stolen scooter! And if a rule applies to one, then it should apply to all, or it is discriminatory!
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go and buy a bandana/balaclava and go in there again, and comply with the helmet removal. for some reason a black balaclava seems far more menacing than a bike helmet
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it is annoying but would you go into a bank with a helmet on?
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Advantage of a flip front. I would definitely return there and be wearing a burka under the helmet!
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;) see my post on petrol stations
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most fuel stations around here ask(and some make) you take helmet off either before filling or before you go and pay,iv got used to it as had to do it at most places for around 20 years in this area(hull!)
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I don't usually, but then I usually fill at rush hour on a main route out of London. I've been in the same place at 11pm and was asked to take it off before filling. I think the people there recognise the bike now though.
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HAHAHAHAHAHA, not THAT would be funny! Remove helmet to reveal a burka.
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
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Happened to me about three years ago at my local Tesco. Filled up the bike, went inside to pay and held out the money only to be told that I had to remove my helmet. I asked why and they gave me the same patter. I too mentioned the Burqua thing and the guy just said "If you don't remove it then I refuse to serve you"
I pointed out that it was actually self service :lol so I'd been 'served' all I wanted to do now was pay for the damned stuff and be on my way, not the actions of the criminal element he was inferring that I might be. The guy flatly refused to accept the cash, he even folded his arms like a kid so I couldn't give the money to him.
In the end the shop was full and I turned to the crowd and said that I had filled up with ten pounds of fuel and was leaving ten pounds on the counter in payment for it, and they were my witnesses. I then told the chump behind the counter that I had left the payment, and it was entirely up to him if he put it in the till or not as if it went missing there were plenty witnesses to say I had left it. I walked out and rode off.
The next day I called in and they were still talking about it, only I was there in my car and they obviously didn't recognise me. The burqua argument had obviously them in a flap, but there was a new notice to remove helmets in the window! I always fill up on my credit card now and pay at the pump. I still keep my helmet on that way and avoid the inconvenience.
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"If you don't remove it then I refuse to serve you"
:lol :lol :lol The stuff of dreams :rollin
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Oh dear, here we go again...
It takes less than 30 seconds to take a lid off and put it back on again. Is that minute *SO* important to you that you can't be polite enough to remove your helmet? Would you keep it on if you went into a shop? A bank? A Police station? Someone's house?
If it matters to you that much, get a flip-front.
Oh and if a woman is wearing a burkha it's incredibly unlikely that she would be driving a car in the first place because her faith would prevent her from doing so, only the men are allowed to drive...
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Yes, it has been discussed here and other places before today.
But Graham, I was at Morrisons in Preston Docks only last week, think they've been mentioned here somehwere.
Car in front of me - lady in Burka.
She went in and paid, I followed and.... not because of her manner of dress, thought, bugger it, I can't be arsed taking my lid off, removing my ear plugs, putting them back in again, putting my lid on, putting my gloves back on, after refitting my tank bag etc.etc. all of which delays the next vehicle behind me in the queue. I'm going in to pay for something, not to have a conversation, for which I would of course take my lid off.
Nothing was said at all, but I was ready for it, I'll tell ya.
If I'm told to remove my lid before fuelling, 'fraid I'd just scoot off elsewhere, done it before. But God help them, (can I say that?) if they'd have asked me last week at Preston docks. :lol
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Grahamm - Nope. I've seen lots of women driving a car wearing the niquab, and nothing in their faith prevents it what gave you that idea?
As for the other point, while admittedly it is a matter of seconds to remove a helmet, personally I don't like to obey rules that appear to have no basis in reason. If a face covering is required to be removed for security purposes then obviously there can be no exceptions, similarly I find the inference that I might be a criminal offensive. Were I to remove the helmet and reveal an under-helmet ski mask I would have complied with the rule - it's plain stupid.
I've lost count of the number of helmets that have fallen off my seat and bounced around petrol forecourts, they're too expensive to keep replacing so I leave mine on and pay by card.
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Oh and if a woman is wearing a burkha it's incredibly unlikely that she would be driving a car in the first place because her faith would prevent her from doing so, only the men are allowed to drive...
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/quote]Was with you till you said that, I got side swiped in my car by a woman wearing a burka driving a rav4. Saying that I do think it's a bit insensitive making ugly people reveal themselves in public when it's obvious they're :o .... :D
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The only place the ladies dont drive, AFAIK, is in Saudi Arabia, and its got nothing to do with the faith, and everything to do with the oppression in that country.
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Would you keep it on if you went into a shop? A bank? A Police station? Someone's house? If it matters to you that much, get a flip-front.
No, I obviously wouldn't walk into a bank with a helmet on! That's just silly. But a petrol station is a bit different don't you think? Apart from the hilarious situation where you could wear a head-cover under your helmet, you could also go to the petrol station dressed like a "hoodie" with a pair of shades and the typical slouch. Absolutely no chance of being recognised on CCTV, but this would be acceptable as far as the pump attendants are concerned.
It's all bollox and I will not be removing my helmet when others are allowed to cover their faces in one way or another.
BTW, I've got a Shoei Flip-Front but I find them to be much heavier than my full-face helmet. But why should you have to buy one anyway??
Tom
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Car in front of me - lady in Burka.
Ok, I was under the impression that if they were of the branch of the faith that requried the burkha etc then they didn't let women drive either, seems I was mistaken.
There again, we don't get many burkha wearers down here in Portsmouth. The wife of my Islamic neighbour doesn't always even wear the headscarf.
all of which delays the next vehicle behind me in the queue.
I'll not deliberately delay someone, but neither will I rush or compromise my safety or hearing for them. Unless you're at a tiny garage there's always another pump they can go to.
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But a petrol station is a bit different don't you think?
Not if you're eg a young woman working behind the counter. Also, in the past (I don't know if they still do it) but I've heard of the the attendant getting stuck for the cost of a "Drive Off" if the driver can't be identified.
Apart from the hilarious situation where you could wear a head-cover under your helmet, you could also go to the petrol station dressed like a "hoodie" with a pair of shades and the typical slouch. Absolutely no chance of being recognised on CCTV, but this would be acceptable as far as the pump attendants are concerned.
It depends on whether they take the "no helmets" thing literally. Remember, also, that probably the poor bugger behind the counter gets no say in the matter, it's Policy dictated by Head Office and they just have to do what they're told or risk losing their job, so giving them grief for something that isn't their fault is hardly fair.
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I didn't give anyone grief Grahamm - we had a conversation about a stupid rule which the attendant was paid to enforce. The attendant was wearing a Kufi which I'm guessing meant he was a Muslim. In all honesty, that's what got me thinking about the Burka while I was stood in the queue. It seemed to me, at the time, to be a reasonable argument to make if he raised the subject of removing headgear.
What has a "young woman" behind the counter got to do with anything? If someone does a bunk without paying, is she at some sort of risk that men aren't at? :\
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I also don't see what "being a young woman behind the counter" has to do with anything. If I'm paying for my petrol, then he or she is taking cash or card from me. And if I'm robbing the place, then they're going to be more concerned about the shotgun under their noses than whether I'm wearing a bloody helmet or not (and, I suggest, will not be likely to ask me to take the helmet off :lol )
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I'll add that I always went to my local Spar every night for bottles of Red. One particular night I was on my way home a little later than usual. I rode a bandit 12 back then and wondered about the wisdom of calling for the wine as I was passing and riding home with it stuffed inside my jacket. Anyway, the lazy streak kicked in and rather than go home and come back for the wine I decided to risk horrific injury and chance it - I'm good at decisions like that. :lol
Went in the shop, got the wine, held out a tenner and the girl said she can't serve me unless I remove the helmet. Now this was a girl who saw me every night, she knew me. I said it's me Pete - but she said yes I know but I still can't serve you unless you take it off cause it's all recorded on camera. What a load of bollox. I put the wine back and went to bargain booze ever since. Well done spar that's nine six quid bottles a week you don't sell now.
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....that's nine six quid bottles a week.....
OMG Pete - How's your liver??? :lol :rollin :lol
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I've cut it down to four bottles now as I'm looking after my health. :lol
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Bearded bloke with sunglasses on wouldn't be asked to remove glasses and/or shave.
You arent robbing them, you're giving them money. Probably robbers wouldn't fill up first!
It's pettiness . A little power they feel justified in wielding
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Bearded bloke with sunglasses on wouldn't be asked to remove glasses and/or shave.
You arent robbing them, you're giving them money. Probably robbers wouldn't fill up first!
It's pettiness . A little power they feel justified in wielding
Just look at Robocop - guy fills up and robs the place and he doesn't even have a lid on! :lol
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we had a conversation about a stupid rule which the attendant was paid to enforce.
ITYM "has to enforce or he risks not getting paid".
What has a "young woman" behind the counter got to do with anything? If someone does a bunk without paying, is she at some sort of risk that men aren't at?
Someone who isn't identifiable who might ride off without paying or might come in and decide she's not going to put up a fight if they decide to make a grab for the till or, gods forbid, a grab for her? Nope, nothing to worry about there...
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I mostly take mine off when filling up as I'm not worried about a couple of minutes extra in the process and if staff are told to enforce it, then it all becomes a bit of an arse-ache and spoils the ride. So I do it and no-one dies as a result :)
BUT - and maybe I'm getting a bit Victor Meldrew about it - the side effect is someone else (usually in a car) has to wait a bit, but that's their problem. What I don't understand is why - when there's a group of us out - do my mates push their bike to the side to let a cager step in? WTF? One one hand we've got riders ball-aching about helmets and another set virtually apologising for taking up a bit of space at the pump.
I've as much right to get served as other road users, if they want helmets off then johnny cager sits there till I'm done. I don't stand there eating a sandwich or owt, I just get ready for the next stretch of road.
Its a bit of a laugh really watching the lads do it though :lol
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What about "get off your bike " that's what I got at shell garage. I always fill bike sat on it, easier than bike on sidestand.
I asked why to assistant and she said health and safety, I argued that if I spill fuel and drop bike on floor in the flood of fuel on forecourt, then that would count as safety problem.
I said is it because of drive off's, she replied no.
Best bit been using same garage for years and no one said to get off bike before.
Oh and she had me about my helmet too. :rolleyes
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Someone who isn't identifiable who might ride off without paying or might come in and decide she's not going to put up a fight if they decide to make a grab for the till or, gods forbid, a grab for her? Nope, nothing to worry about there...
Then surely the rule must apply to all face coverings. And as stated to men with baseball caps, full beards and sunglasses as they aren't identifiable either once clean shaven. The rule is clearly an ill thought out edict rather than the rational precautionary measure it purports to be. By extension they could perhaps say that anyone who looks scruffy must pay for their fuel first in case they can't afford it. How would that go down? it's based on similar logic.
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discrimination sees to be the recurring theme!
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:rolleyes "Would you go into a bank wearing your helmet?"
No, I wouldn't. And I wouldn't go to a petrol station to arrange a mortgage.
I'm buying petrol FFS, me walking in to pay with a lid on shouldn't be a big deal.
Some of us do find having to take the helmet off a massive nuisance.
I wear spectacles and ride in all weathers. When it's raining I can fill the tank and pay without getting my hands wet if I leave the helmet on. If I take it off, I have to take my specs off first and there's the problem of not having anywhere to put either item where they're not going to slip or get blown to the ground. By the time I've finished paying and have dried specs and hands (assuming the garage has any paper towels left in the dispenser) the process has taken twice as long as it normally does.
If you're unencumbered by the need to wear glasses, a fair weather rider and are happy to acquiesce to their ridiculous demands, then go ahead. But I don't accept that we should be perceived as criminals for wearing a helmet, nor do I accept that my choice of helmets should be limited to flip-front ones at the whim of Shell/BP etc.
It's not as if helmet rules like this are going to have any effect on crime. All the stations I use on my regular route have ANPR cameras, so attempting to ride off without paying isn't going to work more than once. It's not about that anyway... walking into the shop with the helmet on that is what they're objecting to.
I do sympathise with staff who've been subjected to threats and attacks by thugs intent on robbing the place, but making innocent motorcyclists show their faces isn't going to alter the habits of criminals unless the rule is enforced by a couple of bouncers at the door. This is all about management wanting to be seen to be doing something to calm the fears of the till operators. In fact it'll achieve nothing other than setting up confrontational situations for the staff and driving a few, admittedly unprofitable, customers away.
At least when my local Sainsbury's tried this policy I was able to suggest they'd lose not only my fuel purchases for bike and car, but my weekly groceries shopping as well. Allowing helmeted customers to pay for fuel at the night-pay window (i.e. no need for me to enter the shop) had been a constructive alternative I gave them, but after a few weeks they abandoned the policy completely. :woot
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discrimination sees to be the recurring theme!
Yep, and why not it's a useful tool. When people issue such edicts then some form of discrimination is difficult to avoid. I find it ironic (and admittedly amusing) therefore, to hoist them with their own petard. If in principle it is ok to make a rule based on a mode of transport or an item of clothing then what they are really doing is profiling, they are saying that motorcyclists are more likely to be potential robbers - and funnily enough that's illegal. :)
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'yhey are saying that motorcyclists are more likely to be potential robbers - and funnily enough that's illegal.'
Don't think it is. It's illegal to discriminate on age, race, sex and probably a couple of other things, but profiling is perfectly legal (even using things like race in airport security), and I can't see that having motorcyclists as a 'profile group' would be illegal.
Mind you, I have a flip lid and would get me juice from a 'remove yer lid' place anyway :)
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There is a solution that is a little less dramatic.
Convert religion to a Sikh and wear a turban!!!
Result : you dont need to wear a helmet, ergo you dont need to take it off at a station!!!!
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Y'know come to think of it I've never seen a Sikh motorcyclist in 35 years of riding.
I think profiling is illegal Laz but I'll have to look that up to confirm it. I remember there being a big stink about searching Muslim's at the airport. This is what I mean about bringing in ill thought out directives, as it's hardly Swedish little old ladies that fit the terrorist profile yet security were prevented from singling out Wahabi Muslims as it amounted to profiling.
When I moved house a couple of years ago I borrowed a luton van and did it myself. It took two days and around five full van loads. By the end of the second day I was tired, dirty, unshaven and scruffy, plus driving an old van. As I was filling it with diesel before returning it I was accosted by a woman in an expensive car who told me she 'f*cking hates gypsies. :eek
That's why I mentioned earlier about the presumption made by tesco's that motorcyclists are more likely to be robbers, because people are like that. I doubt there will be any supporting evidence for the supposition, e.g. number of drive off's/amount of fuel stolen relative to bikes and cars etc.
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'I was accosted by a woman in an expensive car who told me she 'f*cking hates gypsies'
Priceless :lol :lol :lol
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'I was accosted by a woman in an expensive car who told me she 'f*cking hates gypsies' Priceless :lol :lol :lol
It gets worse. She told me to 'get back where I came from' then drove off with her nose in the air. Imagine her face when (I was moving house remember) I went 'home' and she turned out to be my new next door but one neighbour! :rollin
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Y'know come to think of it I've never seen a Sikh motorcyclist in 35 years of riding.
Have only seen the one myself m8 - down near London.
Im by no means an expert in the law, but have the "experience" of being married to a Muslim and see both sides.
My nephew was over in the states for a Star Wars convention ( geek!!) and he got stopped at EVERY airport and had his bag searched.
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'I was accosted by a woman in an expensive car who told me she 'f*cking hates gypsies' Priceless :lol :lol :lol
It gets worse. She told me to 'get back where I came from' then drove off with her nose in the air. Imagine her face when (I was moving house remember) I went 'home' and she turned out to be my new next door but one neighbour! :rollin
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Now THAT would be worth seeing :D :D :D
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Im by no means an expert in the law, but have the "experience" of being married to a Muslim and see both sides.
Yes me too, my sister in law and my niece are Muslim.
I often discuss politics but I've never the inclination to discuss religion. The best that can come of it is the assertion that 'my invisible man is better than your invisible man' Thank fcuk for athiesm. :lol
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:lol - is your house bigger/have a better car on the drive - or is that just too much to hope for ? :lmao2
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Im by no means an expert in the law, but have the "experience" of being married to a Muslim and see both sides.
Yes me too, my sister in law and my niece are Muslim.
I often discuss politics but I've never the inclination to discuss religion. The best that can come of it is the assertion that 'my invisible man is better than your invisible man' Thank fcuk for athiesm. :lol
I hear you on that one m8.
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:lol - is your house bigger/have a better car on the drive - or is that just too much to hope for ? :lmao2
Oh man that bitch was unreal. She had a Mazda Rx8 which was newish at the time and she said to me in a boastful tone "You'd like a car like that wouldn't you?...Wouldn't you!" :lol
There really are some nut jobs out there. Estate agent she was, all suits and show without a degree or qualification in sight. Stroll on.
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Just three little points, don't know how to do the quote thingy but:
I now use one of those unmanned stations. Brilliant, don't even need to get off the bike. Card and PIN, fill up , off you go. Cheaper too :D
Second about bikers being more likely to be robbers (someone said). I was in a local Dianese supplier a while ago looking for summer gloves. Was in the cage at the time. The guy invited me to take them outside and try them on the handlebars of his bike, see how they feel. He explained that he had never suffered a theft by a biker. School kids getting off the bus outside yes, some others yes, but never a biker. These were £50ish gloves too.
Third: the early post about wearing a balaclava under the helmet. Now, I come from Belfast originally.... That sort of behaviour really causes some upset in these parts! LOL
:eek :eek :eek
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Thank fcuk for athiesm. :lol
Or as some wag wrote on an Alpha Course poster near me:-
'Thank Religion for Atheism'
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On the subject of discrimination, I was in my local Halfrauds recently.
Car oil and sundries were on a rack at the back of the store. Bike oil was near the front of the store, each item having a secuirty tag on it!!!! It would be interesting to know if other Halfrauds stores did the same. >:
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Easier to nick if it's near the door ;)
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Easier to nick if it's near the door ;)
Is it? Pick up a bottle of car oil, and walk towards the till - oh look, thats right beside the door, might as well just leg it from the till eh?
Not sure there's realistically much difference...
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Thank fcuk for athiesm. :lol
Or as some wag wrote on an Alpha Course poster near me:-
'Thank Religion for Atheism'
I prefer "Thank God for Atheism"!
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I prefer "Thank God for Atheism"!
An old favourite of mine is
'Religion is God's way of telling us he doesn't exist'
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I prefer "Thank God for Atheism"!
Fuck off spelling czar. :lol
An Atheist is someone with no invisible means of support.
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What about those dumbass women drivers that pull up at the nearest pump, when they could go to furthest away and your sat in your motor waiting ages as she does her shopping or spends an age buying Tarquin the brat a foccin choccie bar! This usually happens when I want diesel in my truck.
The same sort of selfish bitch is the same woman 2 days later that expects me to move my bike forward so she can fill the Mercedes up! I told her to foc off and wait I tell yet and explained why much to the amusement of a truck driver filling up who joined in with telling her too :lol
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Here's one from this afternoon, taken at a garage between Windermere and Ambleside in the lake district. If you can't make out the signs here they are below.
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Unless you take your lid off they won't switch on the pump - end of. So that destroys the bikers potentially helping themselves to the till/molesting shopkeepers argument right there. They must consider bikes a higher drive off risk even though there's much less fuel involved. It ignores the fact that most bikers are not young kids but mature riders. It's unfair, but I guess being white and middle aged there won't be too many human rights lawyers beating a path to my door to sue for my 'hurt feelings'. :rolleyes
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Judging by the other sticker, it looks like they've also got a problem with police officers driving away without paying.
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I don't mind those ones as you where you stand and choose to proceed or not.
Nice one Phil, mental picture of plod doing a drive off with lights and sirens :)
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:lol :lol
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after a garage had been robbed by 3 men wearing helmets I was asked to remove my helmet which I did, then I pulled my neckie up over my face and said ok give me the money, maybe not the best idea I've had???????
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Don't suppose you got a laugh out of them, but maybe it will have served (once they had time to think about it) to make them realise that anybody up to no good, is just going to ignore their "request"...
well, I can dream on I suppose :D
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I prefer "Thank God for Atheism"!
Fuck off spelling czar. :lol
I prefer "Spelling Bee" if you don't mind (or Spelling Tsar) :lol
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I prefer "Thank God for Atheism"!
Fuck off spelling czar. :lol
I prefer "Spelling Bee" if you don't mind (or Spelling Tsar) :lol
I wonder what the 'B' stands for then? Can't be 'Bolshevik' as you've just ennobled yourself as a member of the Russian Royal family. ;)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsar)
On the other hand. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czar_(political_term) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czar_(political_term))
Or your reference to 'The fast lane' of the motorway mentioned in another post, I was far too polite to mention that all three have the same 70mph limit. :lol
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Unless you take your lid off they won't switch on the pump - end of. So that destroys the bikers potentially helping themselves to the till/molesting shopkeepers argument right there.
No it doesn't. It stops them from getting petrol and molesting the bird behind the till/robbing the place. If you're just there for the molestation/burglary then you're still good to go ;)
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just ask yourself if you owned a petrol station would you insist on people taking off their helmets or would you be happy to let them in with a helmet on?
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I would have all pay at pump only, and one pay at till for all the weekly shoppers.
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With fewer filling stations & escalating pump prices it makes me wonder whos robbing who! :'( Being an old git with a flip front helmet I have only been asked to remove headgear a few times-not at my regular filling stations. Its a right pain having to queue for fuel & by the time Ive taken off the helmet, removed glasses/picked up ear plug thats fallen on ground it all adds to the time wasted for everyone. In the far-off rosy tinted past I remember petrol stations everywhere & fuel cost a whole lot less. Mind you I also recall pulling into a garage in Devon & the attendant was about to fill my tank with a lit fag in his mouth-I did ask him to remove that! :rollin :eek
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Mind you I also recall pulling into a garage in Devon & the attendant was about to fill my tank with a lit fag in his mouth-I did ask him to remove that! :rollin :eek
That happened to me in rural France a few years back, the old guy stood puffing on a roll up ciggie while filling the car. :lol
Unless you take your lid off they won't switch on the pump - end of. So that destroys the bikers potentially helping themselves to the till/molesting shopkeepers argument right there.
No it doesn't. It stops them from getting petrol and molesting the bird behind the till/robbing the place. If you're just there for the molestation/burglary then you're still good to go ;)
I can't say I'm clued up on the methods used for violent robbery of petrol stations, but I'm certain the modus operandi would not include parking up at the pump first and attempting to fill up on camera. In fact, for a robbery I don't think I'd bother with a helmet at all - too cumbersome, and it restricts peripheral vision. A ski mask would do fine. Perhaps they should stop selling fuel to people with ski's or snowboards on the roof too? I'm not saying they are criminals... just that they might be. That's how it works with us isn't it? ;)
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just ask yourself if you owned a petrol station would you insist on people taking off their helmets or would you be happy to let them in with a helmet on?
I have been asked to remove my helmet by a night cashier who was locked inside the kiosk, when I was outside pre- paying by card. :rolleyes
This is the trouble with making sensible rules ostensibly designed to protect people and property, they get interpreted by non-sensible people to mean whatever they feel like making them mean. Sensible rules become silly when applied by non sensible people.
That's why in my view it's no bad thing to challenge them, otherwise they'll introduce more and before you know it you'll live in a world of increasingly petty rules. (Hmmm... come to mention it....) How about 'We don't serve anyone wearing gloves, please remove gloves before paying the cashier'. Justifiable in all shops if you want potential robbers to leave fingerprints, but would in reality lead to little old ladies and children removing their gloves on freezing winters days before they could enter the building. Not what was intended, but no doubt zealously enforced by the 'Im only doing my job' Milgram experiment mentality.
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:) Ref: Spelling Bee .. Yep .. I've seen that film too. PB
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:) Ref: Spelling Bee .. Yep .. I've seen that film too. PB
Ahh.. I just googled it. :) [size=78%] [/size][size=78%]"[/size]A [/size][size=78%][/size]spelling bee[/size] is a competition where contestants, usually [/size]children (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children)[/color][/size], are asked to [/size]spell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spelling)[/color][/size] words."
[/size]I wonder what terminology is used for those that spell out the wrong word then? A Malopropism bee perhaps? Or a Malopropism CZAR. :lol
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That will BEE "MALAPROPISM" :lol then!
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That will BEE "MALAPROPISM" :lol then!
:lol :lol
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gonna add my tuppenny bit here.....
being from the the isle of man since birth i would object to removeing my helmet to pay for petrol for the same reasons mentioned earlier(religion) i agree sorta...but
...since moveing to what i believed was and to be honest is a quiet part of the south of the uk i will remove my helmet without arguement when i see a sign requesting it......
lets not forget that it isnt just a ballaclava that armed robbers wear is it?,
my daughter panics when i walk in my own house with it on so i can only imageine that the arse of cashier late at night would be twitching when an un faced person wlks in or upto them..
conclusion..........remove it...for respect.
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two instances of wearing a balaclava and sunglasses when I had a trike, no helmet.
first one was in west auckland after "stormin' the castle" my mates had stopped at a shop so I parked the trike up and went to see where they were, as I walked round a corner I nearly bumped in to a woman who started screaming I just kept walking.
second time was when I had filled up at a petrol station and went in to pay the young girl asked if I was robbing it, no I said I just want to pay for the fuel, she asked me if I was sure, she seemed a bit disappointed it was a busy services on the M1 so maybe she was a bit board?
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That will BEE "MALAPROPISM" :lol then!
I saw that but there's no f'kin edit button. :lol Then again, spell it how you will it can never be confused for Russian nobility. :b
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When I fill up I hold my debit card up as i pull the nozzle out. Then the attendant can at least see I have the means to pay.
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I never go back to a garage that has this policy, unless it's in my car with a baseball cap & sunglasses on just to prove a point.
This whole theft of fuel thing annoys me, why not get people to pay before drawing fuel? The technology exists, many garages use this facility at night. Surely that would stop theft of fuel dead in it's tracks...but no they'd rather waste the taxpayers money reporting these thefts to the police & justifying it as a reason for their ever increasing price rises.
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Advantage of a flip front. I would definitely return there and be wearing a burka under the helmet!
Yes I HAVE (flip front) and had no problems not asked to remove it did not even get any funny looks but then again banks have less money than petrol stations these days :rolleyes
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Bugger that should have quoted " would you go into a bank with a crash helmet on" :rolleyes
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It's occurred to me what's wrong. All this week I have been eating in restaurants, drinking in bars, and enjoying the facilities of various places. None of those places have security cameras, neither are they in evidence on the streets. Last night I ordered peppered steak for two, ice cream desserts, and four pints of lager. It was all served outside, and I could have easily walked away without paying at any time. The bill came to around £50.00 which I paid afterwards When leaving.
If I fuelled the Yamaha up to the brim it wouldn't hold £50 quids worth of fuel yet we are treated as potential thieves. The difference between the two examples is that the first one took place in Majorca where life is lived with the presumption of innocence, and the latter in the UK where the presumption of guilt is the norm. There are thieving bastards everywhere, but in the UK there is the presumption that you are one.
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Digging up an old one here, apologies. Went to the bank today on t'fazer, Roof boxer lid so flipped it up. Asian lass (I presume, could have been anyone) in front of me in a burka gets served no problem, my turn, "Please take off the helmet sir"
I think the French have this issue nailed. Fizzing.
démie soixante dix sept.
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I too was at a petrol station and the tanoy said remove your helmet befor they would activate the pump---- I shrugged my shoulders at them and rode off ----slowley as i needed petrol.
Whats the point in removing the helmet as they have the reg what more do they want a DNA sample for god forbid I ride off with £5.50 worth of fuel.
These stations should be visited by 30 bikes all putting £2 in the tank and refusing to remove helmets, and whilst they are refusing to take all of the £2s every single car is driving by to the next station.
I do not take my helmet off as I have great problems in getting plugs to stay in and on and off with the helmet rips them out.
And I have to take off my glasses and risk them falling on the floor, and every time my lid gos on and off its getting wear and tear, and station that demand my lid off then I ride off and dont go back, I also dont go back there in my car
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I take mine off automatically, like mentioned earlier when going on to bank and even off licence since one local to me ban them due to multiple raids by helmet wearers.
That said I do agree with the point about burkas. I even be interested in the assistants reading of the rules when confronted with a turban wearing biker. after all it is classed as a helmet. or does the rule mention fullfaced
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Maybe we should all wear a burqa/niqab under our balaclavas and helmets to see what happens. :evil
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It takes less than 30 seconds to take a lid off and put it back on again.
Maybe in the summer, but in the winter Er no actually it dosent. I've had this a few times and depending on my mood or how late I am and depending on the attitude and tone of the request I will do one of several things -
- Take me helmet of, smile for the camera and then put it back on.
- I will remove my helmet putting on the counter in-front of me and then after paying without moving from my spot in-front of the counter/till, put my my helmet back on. And only at that point will I make my way back to the bike.
- Ask why and if I get any attitude kick up a fuss blocking anyone else from using that till untill they accept my payment.
- Ignore the request and I ask them if they are going to take me my payment in a loud and very clear voice holding myt debit card in clear view of the cctv, I will do this atleast 3 times and then walk out if they refuse to take payment. Once I get to work call the police & the HQ of the station to make a complaint stating I tried to pay but was unable due to do the confrontational attitude of the PS in question.
I have only had 2 requests for me to remove my balaclava(during the winter), to which I have stated if they want me to do that I will do it at the till and they will have to wait for me to remove and put back on at the till. At which point the argument is over and they just want to take payment etc.
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I'd say flip front or pay at pump.
I can understand them wanting helmets removed, your voice will be muffled and your body language hidden.
To be fair though I don't agree with the wearing of the burqa/niqab in England either on the basis of "when in Rome"
If they have attitude just don't fill up there again.
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Oh dear, here we go again...
It takes less than 30 seconds to take a lid off and put it back on again. Is that minute *SO* important to you that you can't be polite enough to remove your helmet? Would you keep it on if you went into a shop? A bank? A Police station? Someone's house?
If it matters to you that much, get a flip-front.
Oh and if a woman is wearing a burkha it's incredibly unlikely that she would be driving a car in the first place because her faith would prevent her from doing so, only the men are allowed to drive...
Wrong there is nothing in the Koran that says woman cannot drive , go on show us were it says it. I think the point being made is it is discrimination, but I do take your point is it worth the hassle.
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Wrong there is nothing in the Koran that says woman cannot drive , go on show us were it says it. I think the point being made is it is discrimination, but I do take your point is it worth the hassle.
There should be, we all know women can't drive, surely God knows this too? :lol
I know, I'll never get to 'eaven... :evil
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Wrong there is nothing in the Koran that says woman cannot drive , go on show us were it says it. I think the point being made is it is discrimination, but I do take your point is it worth the hassle.
There should be, we all know women can't drive, surely God knows this too? :lol
I know, I'll never get to 'eaven... :evil
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It's just the way things are. We all know the stations have standing orders for their staff and customers regarding wearing helmets, so it's just pissing in the wind getting worked up about something you can't change. I've enough stress inducing elements in life, without looking for more confrontation.
Talking of confrontation, I was out a couple of weeks ago with my daughter, walking our new pup. We'd just left the flat, and instead of walking straight onto the road, we took the internal path to access it 50m away. The pup picked the route. I'd spotted a 20/30 something, for want of a better word, chav, looking at us for longer than people usually do. When we got onto the public pavement, he was sitting on a low wall, and as we walked past, said "it's not hard to be offended round here is it mate?" I asked, politely, what he meant. He said "you saw me, and then deliberately walked on the internal pavement to insult me" He said something else as well, and I started politely again, to say how dare you talk to me like that in front of my daughter (she was getting upset). Then I flipped and walked up to him, forcing him into the middle of the road, and said "If I ever see you around here again, I will rip your fucking head off" He fucked off pretty quickly. I didnt realise I was screaming until I saw all the people looking out of their flats. I told my daughter that "some people just need to be hit love". She told me she felt sick, and went home.
I don't handle confrontation well. It causes stress, and things like taking your lid off at a filling station, is one way to avoid it. Unless of course you're deliberately seeking confrontation, in which case, keeping your lid on is one way to get an opportunity to scream at someone :lol
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"Looks like they asked Mickdel to remove his helmet again..." :lol
(http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4709299633980445&pid=1.9&w=300&h=300&p=0)
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Maybe in the summer, but in the winter Er no actually it dosent. I've had this a few times and depending on my mood or how late I am and depending on the attitude and tone of the request I will do one of several things -
Take me helmet of, smile for the camera and then put it back on.
I will remove my helmet putting on the counter in-front of me and then after paying without moving from my spot in-front of the counter/till, put my my helmet back on. And only at that point will I make my way back to the bike.
Ask why and if I get any attitude kick up a fuss blocking anyone else from using that till untill they accept my payment.
Ignore the request and I ask them if they are going to take me my payment in a loud and very clear voice holding myt debit card in clear view of the cctv, I will do this atleast 3 times and then walk out if they refuse to take payment. Once I get to work call the police & the HQ of the station to make a complaint stating I tried to pay but was unable due to do the confrontational attitude of the PS in question.
I have only had 2 requests for me to remove my balaclava(during the winter), to which I have stated if they want me to do that I will do it at the till and they will have to wait for me to remove and put back on at the till. At which point the argument is over and they just want to take payment etc.
Yep agree with all of that. And if they refuse to switch on the pump while you are waiting to fill - solution is don't put the nozzle back, place it on the floor. Ride off and fill up elsewhere. They'll soon get fed up with it.
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It's your choice, fill or not to fill. I'm lucky as all my local garages don't have a policy to remove helmets. I mostly fill up going to work so I'm usually wrapped up well and will not remove. If they asked me to remove it I'd probably fill up later when I had time to faff about.
Whilst I abhore violence Mick did the right thing as some of these people look for weakness and will exploit it. Sometimes you have to go on the offensive. And that is a shame.
Mickey
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"Looks like they asked Mickdel to remove his helmet again..." :lol
([url]http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4709299633980445&pid=1.9&w=300&h=300&p=0[/url])
Now that pic just reminds me of home (Armagh). Every year, one particular filling station got that treatment. I think a different policy, rather than removing lids, was the bone of contention - the filling up of crates of milk bottles in the trunks of cars. (as there was a riot in progress a mile away , and fresh molotovs were needed, mitigating against the normal practice of filling jerrycans, and then filling the bottles at a different location.) If memory serves correctly, it got burnt to the ground 6 times. Before passing into an ownership that provided free petrol during the rioting season. And it hasn't looked back since.
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To resurrect the dead.......I had to smile at my visit to Morrissons petrol station earlier.
I found it quite amusing that a Biker with open face lid dark sunglasses and a bandanna covering his face was able to fill up unchallenged by the pump operators. He may as well have been wearing a fullface lid.
Makes me wonder if it was lenient operators or the biker was on a Harley and a chapter member with shitloads of patches on show :rolleyes
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To resurrect the dead.......I had to smile at my visit to Morrissons petrol station earlier.
I found it quite amusing that a Biker with open face lid dark sunglasses and a bandanna covering his face was able to fill up unchallenged by the pump operators. He may as well have been wearing a fullface lid.
Makes me wonder if it was lenient operators or the biker was on a Harley and a chapter member with shitloads of patches on show :rolleyes
this wasn't at Waterlooville was it? we have both red & white & black & white back patches round here plus a few side patch clubs ,, must say when they ride out & all fill up it is a grand site to behold ( and like you say never much problems at filling stations!!)
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Waterlooville... I used to live near there,.........35 years ago :eek !!!!
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No, in Kent. He was Lakeside chapter from across the water
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Strange this one has popped up again today, for the first time ever, in the 5 years I've been riding the lady behind the counter refused to turn the pump on, signaling for me to remove my helmet. I had already put the bike on the centre stand, taken one glove off and got my wallet out to show my intent to not drive off. I wasn't prepared to then take the other glove, helmet and ear plugs out just for her, so I calmly put the nozzle back and rode off to the next filling station which was 1p a litre cheaper!! BONUS! :thumbup
I did have to laugh a little, she had a head scarf on and I could see as much of her face as she could mine! LOL
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Strange this one has popped up again today, for the first time ever, in the 5 years I've been riding the lady behind the counter refused to turn the pump on, signaling for me to remove my helmet. I had already put the bike on the centre stand, taken one glove off and got my wallet out to show my intent to not drive off. I wasn't prepared to then take the other glove, helmet and ear plugs out just for her, so I calmly put the nozzle back and rode off to the next filling station which was 1p a litre cheaper!! BONUS! :thumbup
I did have to laugh a little, she had a head scarf on and I could see as much of her face as she could mine! LOL
Should've told her to remove hers as well at the same time.
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It did cross my mind, but I didn't want to give us bikers a bad name, I just thought sod you and rode off with no fuss.
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we have an occasional blitz against petrol stations that seem to think we are up to no good.
5 or 6 bikes all put in a fiver each, then go to pay with 4 pound coins and a bag of copper ;)
always works best if no 3 in the queue drops his bag on the floor as well. ties up the pumps for a good 10 mins :evil
they seem to have a more lenient attitude after that.
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I can see how you got your board name now :lol
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I appreciate this is a very old thread but does anyone happen to know the current BP policy regarding having to remove your helmet.
The last I heard it was NOT a BP policy. Is it down to the individual manager to apply at their discretion? Seriously pissed off at moment after being to BP garage near Tesco's in Wokingham and told told to remove mine (left nozzle on floor and left). 1st time ever in last 13 odd years and I fill up all over the place including this garage 3 times a week.
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I've never removed my crash helmet in any garage before, and never been asked to either!
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I tend to use 'pay at pump' to avoid this problem.
As said before in this thread, in this cold wet weather the last thing you want to do is take your helmet off.
Solution is to calmly put the nozzle down on the floor and ride off to the next petrol station !
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Putting the nozzle back in the pump and riding away would get the point in protest across without being thought a prat .........
just a thought ;)
Is it worth the hassle in the hope the next station will allow helmet on.
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I just take off my lid to fill up then put it back on and go and pay. The reason they ask you to take it off is that if one of us were to foc off without paying the cashier has to pay the fuel loss out of there wages which I think is very unfair.
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never been asked to remove my helmet for fuel once... in the UK or mainland Europe...
I think some of you foccers just look dodgy! :rollin
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never been asked to remove my helmet for fuel once... in the UK or mainland Europe...
I think some of you foccers just look dodgy! :rollin
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Could be right fella - 3 or 4 young lads on motocross 125's I can understand but a guy in Rukka gear on a CBF.
I just take off my lid to fill up then put it back on and go and pay. The reason they ask you to take it off is that if one of us were to foc off without paying the cashier has to pay the fuel loss out of there wages which I think is very unfair.
I get that Exup but if I drove my car in with a sodding great beard, sunglasses and baseball cap on you just know you'd get served....or even anyone wearing a Burka. Remove it wouldn't even be mentioned. So, discrimination for NOT being of a certain religion or looking like a hillbilly??
Wasn't in the mood to go and argue the toss with the bloke and we're not talking about a young girl on her own in a remote filling station who would be scared - I get that and would remove my helmet.
This garage is well used, well lit and on a main drag. I've also used this same garage 2/3 times a week for the last 13yrs so not happy in the slightest - only filled up there with no issue on Tuesday at similar time of 6pm. Am off today so going back tonight when hopefully the same bellend is on shift to ask what the crack is.
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never been asked to remove my helmet for fuel once... in the UK or mainland Europe...
I think some of you foccers just look dodgy! :rollin
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Could be right fella - 3 or 4 young lads on motocross 125's I can understand but a guy in Rukka gear on a CBF.
I just take off my lid to fill up then put it back on and go and pay. The reason they ask you to take it off is that if one of us were to foc off without paying the cashier has to pay the fuel loss out of there wages which I think is very unfair.
I get that Exup but if I drove my car in with a sodding great beard, sunglasses and baseball cap on you just know you'd get served....or even anyone wearing a Burka. Remove it wouldn't even be mentioned. So, discrimination for NOT being of a certain religion or looking like a hillbilly??
Wasn't in the mood to go and argue the toss with the bloke and we're not talking about a young girl on her own in a remote filling station who would be scared - I get that and would remove my helmet.
This garage is well used, well lit and on a main drag. I've also used this same garage 2/3 times a week for the last 13yrs so not happy in the slightest - only filled up there with no issue on Tuesday at similar time of 6pm. Am off today so going back tonight when hopefully the same bellend is on shift to ask what the crack is.
So it's okay for you to discriminate but not okay for them ;)
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Go on then Midden - take me to school about my discrimination :thumbup
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Frosties....just wear a burka under your foccin lid ....sorted :-)
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The reason they ask you to take it off is that if one of us were to foc off without paying the cashier has to pay the fuel loss out of there wages which I think is very unfair.
I thought that was illegal now.
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Wear one of these under your lid. :lol
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Frosties....just wear a burka under your foccin lid ....sorted :-)
Already got the Mrs on that one.....may have to visit tomorrow :lol
The reason they ask you to take it off is that if one of us were to foc off without paying the cashier has to pay the fuel loss out of there wages which I think is very unfair.
I thought that was illegal now.
Illegal to ask me to remove it? This is what I'm trying to find out - if it is then happy days. Any info appreciated :D
Wear one of these under your lid. :lol
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Laughing my nuts off here.....and there's a fancy dress place down the road :lol :lol . Decisions decisions - mask with a Burka and then helmet ????
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Can't find any recent up to date info, other than some Tory politician who wanted to ban the burka but in doing so would mean lids being removed too so as not to be biased.
Our politicians are too weak to ban anything remotely muslim so that won't ever happen.
That's not to say a garage worker using their own discretion can simply refuse to turn the pump on if they don't like the look of you, which i think is what you or me would do too if you were in their position.
What i tend to do is not look at them whilst waiting for the pump to be turned on to lessen the chance of them asking me to remove it.
I s'pose you have to remember it only takes one wanker to go into a garage and do something silly wearing a crash helmet and it will totally spoil it for everyone else. For all you know the young person in the shop could've been robbed the week before, so you can't go too hard on them if they ask you to remove it, even if it is an inconvenience.
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Can't find any recent up to date info, other than some Tory politician who wanted to ban the burka but in doing so would mean lids being removed too so as not to be biased.
Our politicians are too weak to ban anything remotely muslim so that won't ever happen.
That's not to say a garage worker using their own discretion can simply refuse to turn the pump on if they don't like the look of you, which i think is what you or me would do too if you were in their position.
What i tend to do is not look at them whilst waiting for the pump to be turned on to lessen the chance of them asking me to remove it.
I s'pose you have to remember it only takes one wanker to go into a garage and do something silly wearing a crash helmet and it will totally spoil it for everyone else. For all you know the young person in the shop could've been robbed the week before, so you can't go too hard on them if they ask you to remove it, even if it is an inconvenience.
Just happened to me a male Asian bloke about 40ish. Delusions of grandeur and position me thinks.
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I have never been asked to remove my crash helmet in a petrol station and always leave mine on.
The law doesn't say you have to as to do so would require veils to be removed too. It is just down to site (or individual cashier) policy.
Drive off's, contrary to what some are saying, do not get paid for by the cashier but by the business. When they are only making about 1p per litre on the stuff, it take a lot of fuel sales to recover any stolen fuel value.
The worst stories I have heard of are the ones where the cashier lets you fill up with the lid on, lets you queue up with your lid on but then refuses to take your CASH until you take off the helmet. That is just power crazy.
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Not often I swear on a public site but this quote from Frosties, referring to people looking dodgy and taking helmets off is an absolute fucking stunner.
Could be right fella - 3 or 4 young lads on motocross 125's I can understand but a guy in Rukka gear on a CBF.
I'm lost for words, please someone tell me I'm reading this wrong.
3 or 4 young lads on motocross 125's ...... according to Frosties look dodgy sorry lads take your helmets off.
someone else not actually sure of age but because he or she has Rukka gear on and rides a CBF100 no mate your ok you can keep your helmet on.
I must be reading it wrong surely!!!
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The worst stories I have heard of are the ones where the cashier lets you fill up with the lid on, lets you queue up with your lid on but then refuses to take your CASH until you take off the helmet. That is just power crazy.
In this case leave your name and address with them and leave, phone the local police and explain. They refused to take your money, you've not committed any offence as you've tried to pay and left your details and reported it.
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If told to take your helmet off , turn your back and remove your helmet, wear one of these underneath, should be amusing.
I posted the thread on the MT-09 forum and this was one reply!!!!!!!
Yes, late at night whilst attempting to obtain petrol from a pay at the pump machine that had already approved my credit card.
The female cashier inside the locked garage wearing a black head covering with just an eye slit refused to activate the pump until I'd removed my helmet stating it was company policy.
I removed my helmet to reveal my own head covering with just an eye slit (balaclava) to be told she wasn't serving me until I could be identified - this is with my credit card details already obtained and my registration number quite clearly in view of the cctv camera.
A row ensued, the police arrived after the panic button was activated and I was politely directed to another petrol station (I was unaware of) just over a mile away.
PS the balaclava on the whole time, and I believe the woman was either sacked or transferred after my letter of complaint arrived.
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Not often I swear on a public site but this quote from Frosties, referring to people looking dodgy and taking helmets off is an absolute fucking stunner.
Could be right fella - 3 or 4 young lads on motocross 125's I can understand but a guy in Rukka gear on a CBF.
I'm lost for words, please someone tell me I'm reading this wrong.
3 or 4 young lads on motocross 125's ...... according to Frosties look dodgy sorry lads take your helmets off.
someone else not actually sure of age but because he or she has Rukka gear on and rides a CBF100 no mate your ok you can keep your helmet on.
I must be reading it wrong surely!!!
You're reading this wrong! Take the cashier's perspective.
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If told to take your helmet off , turn your back and remove your helmet, wear one of these underneath, should be amusing.
Like it.....a biker Burka. :lol
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At times it can be inconvenient to the point of being annoying but those times i tend to use pay at pump. Besides, I think when raining it's more hassle taking gloves off than it is the helmet and at the end of the day, who goes in to banks and shops with it on.
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Dazza, what kind of websites do you frequent :eek
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Frosties, sorry meant illegal to take the money from the cashiers wages.
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Dazza, what kind of websites do you frequent :eek
Have PM'd you bud....If you're interested in a bulk order, I may be able to get you some discount. :D
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Drive off's, contrary to what some are saying, do not get paid for by the cashier but by the business. When they are only making about 1p per litre on the stuff, it take a lot of fuel sales to recover any stolen fuel value.
I have Shell/BP company petrol cards and when using those stations and have been asked to remove lid I have asked the cashiers why. They have ALL replied that as its their responsibility to check number plates they are also responsible for the fuel loss. Unfair but true.
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Drive off's, contrary to what some are saying, do not get paid for by the cashier but by the business. When they are only making about 1p per litre on the stuff, it take a lot of fuel sales to recover any stolen fuel value.
I have Shell/BP company petrol cards and when using those stations and have been asked to remove lid I have asked the cashiers why. They have ALL replied that as its their responsibility to check number plates they are also responsible for the fuel loss. Unfair but true.
So why do you keep your lid covering your numberplate? :lol :lol
I have been asked to remove my helmet at Morrisons in Cheltenham years ago (after years of filling up donning a lid) - so now when I fill up there, I remove gloves, helmet etc in my time. Once filled and when paying, the helmet goes on the counter, with the gloves, causing all kinds of mayhem to the sweeties etc displayed there. When I have paid I will put it all back on IN MY TIME. I have had cars attempt to pull into the pump and the drivers get arsey because it takes time, whilst I'm still on the first ear plug - DILLIGAF!!!
Modern technology takes pictures of the numberplates and we all wear distinctive clothing (Helmet colours/Jacket patterns etc etc) so there is no reason behind refusing to turn a pump on.
I now have a flip lid, primarily to put an end to the hassle. I pull up, bike on stand, flip lid up - no problem. And I go into shops like it (well, I leave the Fazer outside!)
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There's a particular garage on the start of a popular road for bikers some may remember it as it was one of the meeting places when the focers rode middle earth, well that garage have no issues with lids on and if I am in the area I make a point of filling there.
Otherwise I use the pay at pump at other garages.
Its not about riding off without paying its about being thought of as a criminal and wanting to rob the place because there is no issue at pay at pump.
With glasses, earplugs and now where to put them when you take them off its a major faff, I might try that one - pulling out my waxy earplugs and putting them on the sweetie counter. !
Reminds me I rode to a country butchers in a hunt for some decent steak and but my lid on the counter and he told me to take it off because it was unhygienic (my lid to them) WTF
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Well this argument comes around every so often, yes there is an issue with identification while wearing a helmet as there is when wearing a baseball cap burka etc, now I use a flip front helmet which is lifted when fueling up and this gives a decent view of my face for security reasons but I have been asked to remove it before being allowed to fuel up.
So you have to take off your helmet but where do you put it ? hang on the bars with a chance it will drop off ? on the floor with all the spilt fuel? on the pump 1 if there is room 2 if it is flat making it safe to put your lid there, now if it is raining it makes things worse.
I have been asked to remove my helmet before being allowed to fuel up this was over the tannoy, so it is pointed out to everyone on the forecourt that there must be something wrong with the guy on the bike as they are telling him to take off his helmet, nasty violent criminal bloody biker!! So I went in to the shop asking why got the usual rubbish so I asked can they see my face "yes of course I can" well why do I need to take my helmet off? company policy! OK so why are there no notices at the pumps on the shop door or at the tills ? Umm don't know. Well I am going to fill up now as you have seen my face and have me on the CCTV in the shop and the forecourt so are you going to activate the pump? NO
So as there was a queue forming behind me I kept going (only one till in use) asking why they would not activate the pump as they have seen my face company policy again OK so why is there no safe clean area for me to put my helmet down ? don't know? OK so if I take my helmet off at the pump and it becomes damaged either from falling or being contaminated by fuel from the floor or pedestal would they cover the damage to the helmet Umm no OK so if I take it off and leave it here will you take responsibility for the helmet? Umm no.
Now some say that anyone who refuses to remove their helmet is being unreasonable but surely the stations are as bad by not giving us somewhere safe to put our lids lets face it they can be very expensive and even if lightly damaged it is recommended they are replaced! and then comes the issue of other items that obscure the face such as baseball caps burkas etc you pull a cap down and keep your head tilted down you can see someone's face can you but they don't need to be removed and these are not part of a "religious" requirement.
Banks I have walked into a bank with my lid up but on (busy and just forgot about taking it off) now as I did not have to fuel up or anything so my hands are free to hold the helmet and the banks are usually free from spilt fuel so have plenty of safe places to put the lid down if needed I usually take it off, I took my payment book and cash to the counter and paid in the cashier said thanks handed me the book back and said can you take the helmet off completely next time please, I said Oops sorry and had a no problems back.
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Dazza, what kind of websites do you frequent :eek
It's not from my website, but I do a similar product (http://www.affordable-leather.co.uk/ccp8/item/penis-gag-with-dildo)... :D
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Dazza, what kind of websites do you frequent :eek
It's not from my website, but I do a similar product ([url]http://www.affordable-leather.co.uk/ccp8/item/penis-gag-with-dildo[/url])... :D
How do I know what size to pick?
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How do I know what size to pick?
You'll have to figure that out for yourself :pokefun
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Dazza, what kind of websites do you frequent :eek
It's not from my website, but I do a similar product ([url]http://www.affordable-leather.co.uk/ccp8/item/penis-gag-with-dildo[/url])... :D
How do I know what size to pick?
I'd go by the wife's gag reflex :lol
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Dazza, what kind of websites do you frequent :eek
It's not from my website, but I do a similar product ([url]http://www.affordable-leather.co.uk/ccp8/item/penis-gag-with-dildo[/url])... :D
How do I know what size to pick?
I'd go by the wife's gag reflex :lol
wife?? You presume too much ;)
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I had a great morning this morning, (I live in Spain)I pulled into a station I use when meeting up with my mates. I park up , remove lid & gloves. Proceed to fill up and go into pay. Come out and start to put the gear on again. The guy behind me in his Brit registered car starts tooting the horn (my bike is on Spanish plates) So I look at him and continue putting the gear on, he is out of the car and yells at me to shift my fucking bike or he will shift it for me. His face was a picture when I pulled the lid off and informed him if he as much as laid a hand on the bike I'd breaking his fucking nose for him. Not that I am a hard case but just them my 3 mates arrived so I had backup. He looked very sheepish and pissed off.
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I never remove my helmet, because it is against my strong religious beliefs in the Dark Side.
If you have any problem with that you can complaint to Darth Vader.
He made me do it :rollin :rollin :rollin
Its pretty simple I just do not fill on any petrol station that has such stupid requirements. So far all Shell and BP are working fine for me.
Thank you for the warning I will avoid any Texaco in the future :lol
just ask yourself if you owned a petrol station would you insist on people taking off their helmets or would you be happy to let them in with a helmet on?
It depends on the owner obviously. If I won own a petrol station, myself I would insist all chicks to fill gas topless only. They can keep the helmet on.