Author Topic: nhs my ar*e (Read 3728 times)

bri h · « **on:** 15 January 2015, 05:14:25 pm »

So I got called to the doctors today to be told that the nhs wont fund my hernia repair cos its not serious enough. Im getting on a bit and have been paying national insurance contributions for forty three years now. Still I suppose there are people that need the nhs more than I do but I'm still not exactly over the moon.

bri h · « **Reply #1 on:** 15 January 2015, 05:18:55 pm »

Thinking about it red 98 is good at fixing old things. ............

lew600fazer · « **Reply #2 on:** 15 January 2015, 06:47:19 pm »

The NHS is an organisation manned and run by a team of mostly dedicated health care professionals, sadly the adminside are lacking. (Also if you believe everything Mr Cameron and his experts say the NHS is safe in their hands.

)The other crowd will not do any better. Good luck and hope you get sorted.

red98 · « **Reply #3 on:** 15 January 2015, 07:37:36 pm »

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Thinking about it red 98 is good at fixing old things. ............
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I do like breathing new life into old relics....but.....sometimes its best to replace rather than repair

bri h · « **Reply #4 on:** 15 January 2015, 07:52:52 pm »

Blimey red you sound like the missus now wanting to trade me in for a newer model.

noggythenog · « **Reply #5 on:** 15 January 2015, 09:06:01 pm »

Ive had a guts full of the nhs after almost 2 weeks of drama.

Took my wife up to the hospital on the 3rd to have an induction for the baby......just got home tonight......all the specialist maternity services got canned from my local hospital so the hospital she went to was 30 odd miles away on shit roads.....i've clocked up almost 1200 miles going back and forward...first thing in the morning ive been there until i got kicked out last thing every night.

The proffesionalism of the staff was top notch, they are all pretty dedicated and i cant fault that my wife and baby were well looked after.

But the services are shocking.....the move of services, the lack of parking, men werent allowed to use the toilets as if we are animals so i had to either sneak into them or walk to the hospital entrance stinking hole of a toilet, there was no provision for staying over, no food for me and not even a kettle for a pot noodle or room with a couch or whatever.

They were quite clearly up shit creek a few times as being there so long i got to notice what was going on and at one point they were turning folk away and slowing others down because they were too full up in the labour wards.

Nhs seems to be haging by a thread a ross the board.

Im just glad i got my back op 5 years ago coz i know they would. Give me it now.

bri h · « **Reply #6 on:** 16 January 2015, 12:11:37 am »

I worked on the intensive care ward at broadmoor hospital for three years and at first the dedication and profesionalism of most of the staff was outstanding. However more and more of the trained psychiatric nurses came over from africa, were paid to go to uni for three years on the promise they would work for the nhs for five years.The african work ethic in some cases seemed to differ from what im used to. On the other hand some of the best people i worked with were african. The fact im struggleing with is it costs 300 thousand pounds a year to keep each patient in broadmoor. None of them are there for helping old ladies cross the road.I understand its a question of resources and i know other people need them more than me but after what ive seen its a bit galling to be told im not important enough to warrant a relatively inexpensive hernia repair.

Dave48 · « **Reply #7 on:** 16 January 2015, 06:16:53 am »

The NHS came into being the same year as I did and, in my opinion, is the single most important thing ever created by any government-all the planning was done during the 2nd world war and I along with countless others owe a huge debt of gratitude for the vision of Aneurin Bevan & his colleagues.
I can only begin to imagine what it must have been like for our forebears who could only access healthcare if they had the money to pay.
Now at the time of life where my body has been "round the clock" I know that in future I am likely to need more frequent servicing/repairs!
Bri-I feel for you and all like us who have paid into the system over the years and hope you will get your op before long.
Noggy-Congratulations on your new family member(mini-Nog?). One of the downsides of living in a rural area is the cost/time involved travelling to hospital.
My eldest son was born in Bangor Hospital in 1979. We lived at Rhos on Sea & because he has premature they kept mum & baby in hospital until his weight went up to 5lb. So for 21 days I worked 8-5 then rushed home to change & then drive 25 miles to visit then 25 miles back. It was a difficult time but much better than nowadays.
IMO there has been far too much tinkering/messing about with this wonderful service which has simultaneously been abused by some service users.
I live in Brum-my old local hospital-Selly Oak closed a few years ago with the opening of the flagship Queen Elizabeth Hospital.
This is a wonderful establishment staffed by some of the best professionals you could wish to meet..However.. Parking costs are astronomical-even the staff have to pay if they park on site and the result is that all our local roads have been clogged up by staff & visitors vehicles. The planners failed abysmally to provide forthe number of vehicles using the site.
The government likes to blame NHS staff & its "customers" for their own incompetence & failures to meet "targets"
Simultaneously we have an ageing population, a rising birth rate and an ever increasing number of people with "self-inflicted" conditions (including those who are grossly obese & then expect the rest of us to pick up the tab for their treatment).
Ultimately I blame successive governments for failure to invest in the important areas that affect us all-eg Education,Jobs, Health.
Strange how they always find the money to fight wars the other side of the world-mind you these public school types probably beleive we still have an empire to "defend"

darrsi · « **Reply #8 on:** 16 January 2015, 06:55:36 am »

I fractured my hip in June so was visiting the hospital and doctors for about 4 or 5 months, and there were good and bad times with the NHS.

My clinic appointment times were amazingly nearly spot on every time, if i had a 9.30am appointment then i was seen no more than 10 minutes later than that, they suddenly seemed very organised in comparison to a visit years ago, and i went a few times so it wasn't a fluke.

I had to go to A&E one Sunday when i found myself in extreme pain and got concerned there was a blood supply issue which i was warned of, and that was a different story altogether though, i was there for hours and the staff all seemed very stressed to the point of being really grumpy with it.
Some of the people i saw go in there in the time i sat waiting was quite astonishing though.
One woman and her 2 mates were there because she had a "sore elbow", and another woman kept wailing at the top of her voice demanding to jump the 60+ queue because "i'm important". The thing is, she got her way because she was so irritating they just wanted her to shut the fuck up.

As Noggy says, the car parking was a joke though, and stupidly expensive.
My mum has a disabled badge for a breathing problem so she'd spend ages going around the hospital looking for a disabled bay, but they're extremely limited, which is not surprising really as firstly it is a hospital and secondly free parking is not an earner for the parking company.
But we went into an internal car park one day, spent about 30 minutes driving around it with other cars also looking aimlessly for a spot and we then had to pay just to get out of it, as too many cars had been let in with no spaces available!
It was just another reason for me to dislike cars!

Even though my hospital has been on the news recently about struggling, they have just opened a brand new A&E ward so hopefully things might improve a lot over time, although the closure of 2 other local hospitals has obviously been a major cause of problems.
I think they should cut all aid to these shithole countries that tend to not like us and channel it straight into our NHS, 'cos they certainly deserve it more.

red98 · « **Reply #9 on:** 16 January 2015, 06:55:56 am »

Quote from: bri h on 15 January 2015, 07:52:52 pm

Blimey red you sound like the missus now wanting to trade me in for a newer model.

......your not the only one bri .....

greg1953 · « **Reply #10 on:** 16 January 2015, 07:57:38 am »

My job means that I visit hospitals in my local area (north east ), the staff I see are run off their feet, the amount of work doesn't lessen but the staff levels do.
I can't help but admire their dedication and professionalism while feeling sorry for them. I worked for the Prison Service for 28yrs and whats happening there parallels the NHS, they are both being butchered by Governments and fed on the bullshit that "all is well ".
Greg

VNA - BMW Wank · « **Reply #11 on:** 16 January 2015, 09:55:03 am »

My doctor told me about 5 or 6 years ago that I have a hernia.
So far I have not required surgery. And I don't want surgery unless it is necessary.
So no, not all hernia's require surgery.

bri h · « **Reply #12 on:** 16 January 2015, 10:23:42 am »

I'm sure you're right vna but in my case the doctor says it does but an administrator says it's not important enough to warrant funding. I like dave48 believe the nhs and welfare state that was introduced after the war is among the most civilised things this planet has enjoyed. I hope its still there for my kids and their families. Sadly cases like mine are grist to the mill for ukip who I believe are another bunch of ex public school millionaire chancers. I doubt if we will see reformers like Beveridge and clement Attlee again.

pete786.u · « **Reply #13 on:** 16 January 2015, 10:28:07 am »

Got taken to A&E last night with pain in my shoulders and my hands were shaking so much I couldn`t hold a cup (suspected Parkinsons). The two paramedics who turned up to check me out insisted I go to hospital. Spent a couple of hours waiting to see a Doctor, various things could be causing my problem from the mentioned Parkinsons to a mini stroke and everything in-between. All the Staff were brilliant from the Porters to the Doctors, always had great service from everybody involved. Did notice lot of older people being pushed around in wheelchairs or on trollies and came to the conclusion that lots of them were well enough to go home but had nobody at home to look after them. so were blocking up the system, so much for care in the community.

Just had a phone call from the hospital and got an appointment at the "Minor Stroke Clinic" on Tuesday.

devilsyam · « **Reply #14 on:** 16 January 2015, 10:28:54 am »

Well I have nothing but praise for the NHS
There keeping me alive
If I was in the USA I could not even fund the meds I take
So no complaint here

bri h · « **Reply #15 on:** 16 January 2015, 10:54:53 am »

i hope your ok pete, luke as a type two diabetic im with you all the way the nhs has been more than good to me over the years, as i say its just a bit of a shock to learn about how far the resources are stretched these days and the future is looking a bit grim. they say the french and scandinavian systems work better that ours but without being sentimental the wefare state and nhs is too good a concept to loose.

VNA - BMW Wank · « **Reply #16 on:** 16 January 2015, 10:55:33 am »

The only problem is, is that the NHS in England and Wales is being privatised.

Scotland's NHS will not be privatised - umm expect,

That having been stupid enougth not to vote YES in the referendum we may find our public services (like the NHS) being challenged under the new Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) that the Tory fucking scum bag money grabbing warmongering bastards want to bring in.

And as for the upcoming general election, well you have a choice between the good old Tories, the new Tories, the third rate Tories or Nigel's ultra Tories. Have fun.

In other words, yes your NHS is in crises and is about to get totally fucked.

VNA - BMW Wank · « **Reply #17 on:** 16 January 2015, 11:01:12 am »

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a bit of a shock to learn about how far the resources are stretched these days and the future is looking a bit grim.

Meanwhile the big rich corporations don't have to pay any tax. There are billions upon billions of pounds, if not trillions in unpaid tax.
Bought anything from Amazon recently? Wanna know something they don't do any trading in the UK, they pay zero corporation tax in the UK. That's just one, the list goes on and on and on.

Meanwhile upper wage earners get a tax cut. The low wage earners get put on zero hours contracts. The minimum wage becomes a standard wage. We introduce in work benefits to further subsidise the rich whilst paying out rent to stinking rich landlords.

I could go on and on and on.

But what you have today is socialism for the rich, and a general public to thick and stupid (so far) to see it.

bri h · « **Reply #18 on:** 16 January 2015, 11:17:50 am »

wholeheartedly agree vna. ive dried my eyes and got over not being important enough crap i can still throw my leg over the bike so lifes not to shabby. Trouble is im on my high horse about this fundin malarky now. Ever since the champange socialist took over the labour party we have effectively become a one party state. whatever colour rosette they wear they are self serving ex public school millionairs to a man.Its not much of a democracy when you can only vote for the same crap from any of them including ukip. I truly believe that its time to kick our outmoded political system into touch and introduce great brittain plc where as tax paying shareholders we get to vote in a chairman and board of directors If they do a good job then they should be rewarded, if they do a poor job they should be replaced.

bigralphie · « **Reply #19 on:** 16 January 2015, 11:55:21 am »

What I tend to find is the NHS is fantastic at the real life threatening stuff,but can be frustrating at more mundane stuff.
We all know that's because of budgets , the headline stuff gets the money and support and the rest is struggling to function.

Like Luke I would be dead without the NHS and the the fantastic Renal team at Manchester and Preston.
I flash them the biggest shit kicker smile I have every clinic visit and make sure everyone gets a thank you because I really mean it

Andy FZS · « **Reply #20 on:** 16 January 2015, 12:00:25 pm »

I don't meen to criticise the nhs but I do wonder what level of care I would get elsewhere for the amount of Nat insurance I pay each month. I know it is just another tax a bit like how good would the roads be if all the ved was spent on them.

bri h · « **Reply #21 on:** 16 January 2015, 12:48:37 pm »

i dont know for sure but i believe in france people take out private insurance then if the worst happens the government pays half and the insurance pays half. maybe our brother foccers that live across le mar can put me straight but i think its good value for money.

VNA - BMW Wank · « **Reply #22 on:** 16 January 2015, 12:50:24 pm »

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I don't meen to criticise the nhs but I do wonder what level of care I would get elsewhere for the amount of Nat insurance I pay each month.

See the USA. Excellent if you have loads of dosh. If you don't, or you get something nasty that requires lots of treatment then you might die.

It's not just the NHS. With two parents suffering dementia and having a wee crises at the mo, well I very much appreciate the support I am getting from not only the NHS but our social services.

It's a simple matter of whether or not you believe in community or not. I do.

People need to wake up and reject the neo liberal privatise all fuck the working man agenda. It's a con.

JoeRock · « **Reply #23 on:** 16 January 2015, 01:29:10 pm »

Quote from: bri h on 16 January 2015, 11:17:50 am

I truly believe that its time to kick our outmoded political system into touch and introduce great brittain plc where as tax paying shareholders we get to vote in a chairman and board of directors If they do a good job then they should be rewarded, if they do a poor job they should be replaced.

So in essence, how we vote now?

bri h · « **Reply #24 on:** 16 January 2015, 01:43:55 pm »

buggered if i know joe as i say i dont think any of them will do me any favours. maybe give a bit with one hand and take a bit more with the other. yes i realy am that cynical.i voted for the green party last local election time, they had no real chance but i thouprobablyght it wrong not to vote at all.probably not my best ever move as my catalitic thing accidently fell out when i changed my exhaust.