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Expect to see news briefings by the 3 horsemen of the apocalypse with their scary charts as a warm up act laying the ground in the run up to borris anouncing lockdown extention.
Quote from: fazersharp on 12 June 2021, 10:00:06 amExpect to see news briefings by the 3 horsemen of the apocalypse with their scary charts as a warm up act laying the ground in the run up to borris anouncing lockdown extention.Difficult to see how they're going to justify it. I thought restrictions were to stop the NHS being overwhelmed?. It's not being overwhelmed is it?. There's no one admitted to my local hospital with it now and everyone over about 30 has had at least one jab, most two.
Great to see so many of the pandemic heroes honoured in The Queen's Birthday Honours. Well deserved Fantastic to see Her Majesty enjoying Trooping The Colour at Windsor in the sunshine today too. Happy Birthday Ma'am
Government shouldn't take those who were eligible for a vaccination, but refused it, into account in any way when it comes to lockdown decisions.
Quote from: YamFazFan on 12 June 2021, 10:58:56 pmGovernment shouldn't take those who were eligible for a vaccination, but refused it, into account in any way when it comes to lockdown decisions. That would be short-sighted and self-defeating, especially if the vaccine may be less effective to a more highly contagious variant. Yes, some people may have refused the vaccine because of anti-vax nonsense, but some communities may have more people being "vaccine hesitant" because of misinformation (accidental or even deliberate) or because of a simple lack of trust in the authorities because they remember the number of times they have been screwed over by British governments in the past. To adopt a "screw you, I'm alright Jack" mentality is selfish and discriminatory and will do little to encourage those people who are vaccine hesitant to change their minds because they'll be more likely to think "Here we go again, being treated as worthless by an establishment that never cared about us in the first place".
I've done everything that's required of me during this pandemic. I've had both the vaccinations, taken part in twice weekly lateral flow testing (still doing so) and followed every rule that's been required.
some communities may have more people being "vaccine hesitant" because of misinformation (accidental or even deliberate) or because of a simple lack of trust in the authorities because they remember the number of times they have been screwed over by British governments in the past.
So if you are the wrong community you are a anti vax nut but if you belong to other communities then you are "vaccine hesitant".
At the end of the day it comes down to personal responsibility and if certain people still choose not to accept it there's little more the government can do.
Quote from: fazersharp on 13 June 2021, 10:39:57 amSo if you are the wrong community you are a anti vax nut but if you belong to other communities then you are "vaccine hesitant". these are still *people* with lives that need to be considered when decisions are made.
Quote from: YamFazFan on 13 June 2021, 10:53:27 amAt the end of the day it comes down to personal responsibility and if certain people still choose not to accept it there's little more the government can do. Let me draw a parallel example: A lot of people resisted a seat belt law because it should be "personal responsibility" or an infringement on their "freedoms" etc.In 1982, the year before the seat belt law was introduced, 2,443 people were killed in accidents on Britain’s roads. 30 years later, that figure had dropped to 816. Now that might not all have been due to seatbelts, but they were certainly contributory to it and yet people's "freedoms" are still intact.Not wearing a seatbelt only affects you, but someone who is (for whatever reason) not vaccinated, can spread the virus to others and may even have a variant that the vaccine may not work on. Now, yes, their decision not to be vaccinated may *also* be selfish, but demanding that the rules be changed because of what the majority have done (let alone because someone has declared an arbitrary date as "Freedom Day") when there is still a risk of new outbreaks, as is happening at the moment, will just make the situation worse, so decisions that affect the whole population have to consider this fact.
Quote from: Grahamm on 13 June 2021, 11:02:19 amQuote from: fazersharp on 13 June 2021, 10:39:57 amSo if you are the wrong community you are a anti vax nut but if you belong to other communities then you are "vaccine hesitant". these are still *people* with lives that need to be considered when decisions are made.Yes you are perfectly right and I agree with you 100%. We should protect those people that will not have the jab by informing them that they should shield and stay at home to protect themselves.
To adopt a "screw you, I'm alright Jack" mentality is selfish and discriminatory and will do little to encourage those people who are vaccine hesitant to change their minds because they'll be more likely to think "Here we go again, being treated as worthless by an establishment that never cared about us in the first place".