Author Topic: BREXIT (Read 227532 times)

mtread · « **Reply #1350 on:** 07 January 2019, 02:56:59 pm »

No it's definitely definitely definitely definitely going ahead. She said so ....... oh hang on a minute

agricola · « **Reply #1351 on:** 07 January 2019, 04:27:08 pm »

Quote from: tommyardin on 05 January 2019, 09:49:42 pm

Everyone know the answers to those questions, Bridgestone, Hell, and Remain.

You only got two out of three Tommy

mtread · « **Reply #1352 on:** 07 January 2019, 04:38:53 pm »

Agreed. Michelin are better than Bridgestones.

agricola · « **Reply #1353 on:** 07 January 2019, 05:05:43 pm »

Quote from: mtread on 07 January 2019, 04:38:53 pm

Agreed. Michelin are better than Bridgestones.

Sorry, youve only one out of three.

Stay behind and write out 100 times "I must accept the will of the people"

fazersharp · « **Reply #1354 on:** 07 January 2019, 05:16:53 pm »

Mrs May just wasted £50,ooo trying to orchestrate a traffic jam to promote project fear and they drove 20 miles turned around and came back with no issues, no shots from the accommodating news helicopters no window interviews with irate car drivers nothing. Look out for the next fear farce stunt.

mtread · « **Reply #1355 on:** 07 January 2019, 05:49:59 pm »

Well she's wasting £13.8 million on a ferry company with no ships to promote Project Fantasy

fazersharp · « **Reply #1356 on:** 07 January 2019, 05:54:27 pm »

Its a contract to provide and nothing has been handed over----- no providy - no money

mtread · « **Reply #1357 on:** 07 January 2019, 06:05:44 pm »

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Stay behind and write out 100 times "I must accept the will of the people"

OK
I must accept the will of the people in 2019 not 2016
I must accept the will of the people in 2019 not 2016
I must accept the will of the people in 2019 not 2016
I must accept the will of the people in 2019 not 2016
etc etc

VNA - BMW Wank · « **Reply #1358 on:** 07 January 2019, 06:11:27 pm »

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Mrs May just wasted £50,ooo trying to orchestrate a traffic jam to promote project fear and they drove 20 miles turned around and came back with no issues, no shots from the accommodating news helicopters no window interviews with irate car drivers nothing. Look out for the next fear farce.

Not quite sure what they were trying to prove with that.
But it's nothing compared to wasting the UK economy on BREXIT.

fazersharp · « **Reply #1359 on:** 07 January 2019, 06:15:44 pm »

Quote from: VNA on 07 January 2019, 06:11:27 pm

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Mrs May just wasted £50,ooo trying to orchestrate a traffic jam to promote project fear and they drove 20 miles turned around and came back with no issues, no shots from the accommodating news helicopters no window interviews with irate car drivers nothing. Look out for the next fear farce.
Not quite sure what they were trying to prove with that.
But it's nothing compared to wasting the UK economy on BREXIT.

I told you what May was trying to do and it flopped, it did not deliver the chaos and news headlines it was supposed to. Anyway there was absolutely no need to practice because we have already got operation stack for when the French farmers or fishermen or onion sellers decide to blockade the ports.

mtread · « **Reply #1360 on:** 07 January 2019, 06:15:54 pm »

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Its a contract to provide and nothing has been handed over----- no providy - no mone

And nothing will be handed over. It's all a bluff because 'No Deal' just won't happen

fazersharp · « **Reply #1361 on:** 07 January 2019, 06:24:27 pm »

Quote from: mtread on 07 January 2019, 05:49:59 pm

Well she's wasting £13.8 million on a ferry company

Quote from: mtread on 07 January 2019, 06:15:54 pm

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Its a contract to provide and nothing has been handed over----- no providy - no mone
nothing will be handed over.

So I am really confused now - can you tell me which one its it - is she wasting £13.9m or not handing over £13.8m

VNA - BMW Wank · « **Reply #1362 on:** 07 January 2019, 06:31:48 pm »

You know I’m still absolutely dumbfounded by the whole thing.

The Tories promised a referendum on EU membership in order to unite their party so they could win an election.

They win the election and uphold their manifesto promise to hold a referendum on EU membership.

2 out of the 4 countries in the union vote to Remain, but England and Wales vote to LEAVE.

The Prime Minister resigns.

The Tories decide BREXIT it is, even though haven’t yet figured out what that actually means – a red white and blue BREXIT is what we will get – so we are told.

The official opposition (or Muppets) dutifully vote with the government to trigger article 50, even though there is no plan.

May realising she can’t get any sort of BREXIT through parliament, and sensing that Labour is weak with Jeremey Corbyn at the helm, launches a surprise general election with her ‘strong and stable’ soundbite.

A massive landslide victory will allow May to get the job done, as she pleases, and without opposition.

But what actually happens is May throws away her commons majority and sells out to the DUP to keep the Tory boat afloat.

As a last desperate act to get the job done May decides she was actually elected President of UK and that parliament will have no say in BREXIT. Naturally she falls flat on her face.

By the end of last year, she had her deal ready to present to parliament and a date for the vote was set.

Clearly not able to win the vote she pulls it.

The date has now been set for 15^th January. Defeat is almost certain.

VNA - BMW Wank · « **Reply #1363 on:** 07 January 2019, 06:39:33 pm »

Also, what does all this actually boil down to at the end of the day.

It’s a trade negotiation.

So what are trade negotiations?

They are negotiations that set common rules in order to smooth the flow of trade. The intention is to increase trade to the benefit of both parties.

So what is different about BREXIT?

It’s probably the first trade negotiations in the history of modern economics were the goal at the end of the day is to make trade more difficult. It’s moving from an unrestricted single market, to something not quite as good. Inevitably there will be an impact on trade.

fazersharp · « **Reply #1364 on:** 07 January 2019, 06:46:53 pm »

If the whole EU project was just about trade like how it all started out as then that would be just fine but its not is it.Perhaps the whole EU experiment / project needs to collapse and we start again with 10 or so countries as just a group of trading partners dump the EU parliment and leave it as that.

fazersharp · « **Reply #1365 on:** 07 January 2019, 06:51:41 pm »

Quote from: VNA on 07 January 2019, 06:31:48 pm

You know I’m still absolutely dumbfounded by the whole thing.

The Tories promised a referendum on EU membership in order to unite their party so they could win an election.

They win the election and uphold their manifesto promise to hold a referendum on EU membership.

2 out of the 4 countries in the union vote to Remain, but England and Wales vote to LEAVE.

The Prime Minister resigns.

The Tories decide BREXIT it is, even though haven’t yet figured out what that actually means – a red white and blue BREXIT is what we will get – so we are told.

The official opposition (or Muppets) dutifully vote with the government to trigger article 50, even though there is no plan.

May realising she can’t get any sort of BREXIT through parliament, and sensing that Labour is weak with Jeremey Corbyn at the helm, launches a surprise general election with her ‘strong and stable’ soundbite.

A massive landslide victory will allow May to get the job done, as she pleases, and without opposition.

But what actually happens is May throws away her commons majority and sells out to the DUP to keep the Tory boat afloat.

As a last desperate act to get the job done May decides she was actually elected President of UK and that parliament will have no say in BREXIT. Naturally she falls flat on her face.

By the end of last year, she had her deal ready to present to parliament and a date for the vote was set.

Clearly not able to win the vote she pulls it.

The date has now been set for 15^th January. Defeat is almost certain.

You have actually summed it up very well - for once.

VNA - BMW Wank · « **Reply #1366 on:** 07 January 2019, 06:54:41 pm »

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You have actually summed it up very well - for once.

Well yes, of course I have. And what is it? A complete waste of time.

mtread · « **Reply #1367 on:** 07 January 2019, 06:55:31 pm »

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I am really confused now - can you tell me which one its it - is she wasting £13.9m or not handing over £13.8m

No you're right.
She's already wasted £50k on a lorry stacking system that won't be used.
But she's saved £13.8 million on a contract for extra shipping, that won't be used.
Perhaps we could put it towards the NHS and write that on the side of a bus

VNA - BMW Wank · « **Reply #1368 on:** 07 January 2019, 06:58:31 pm »

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If the whole EU project was just about trade like how it all started out as then that would be just fine but its not is it.Perhaps the whole EU experiment / project needs to collapse and we start again with 10 or so countries as just a group of trading partners dump the EU parliment and leave it as that.

But you still can't tell us what your issue with it is fazersharp.

mtread · « **Reply #1369 on:** 07 January 2019, 07:06:52 pm »

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You have actually summed it up very well - for once.

Just missed out a couple of important points :
Tory Hard Brexiteers take ages to get 48 signatures to try to oust May, then lose the vote 117/200.
Tory party is still as divided as it was at step 1.

fazersharp · « **Reply #1370 on:** 07 January 2019, 07:08:45 pm »

Quote from: VNA on 07 January 2019, 06:58:31 pm

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If the whole EU project was just about trade like how it all started out as then that would be just fine but its not is it.Perhaps the whole EU experiment / project needs to collapse and we start again with 10 or so countries as just a group of trading partners dump the EU parliment and leave it as that.
But you still can't tell us what your issue with it is fazersharp.

EVERYTHING except being part of a group of trading partners.

VNA - BMW Wank · « **Reply #1371 on:** 07 January 2019, 07:39:40 pm »

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EVERYTHING except being part of a group of trading partners.

Which is?

YamFazFan · « **Reply #1372 on:** 07 January 2019, 08:31:40 pm »

You often hear The EU saying how The UK can't just cherry pick all the good bits of membership (or words to that effect).

That must mean there's some crap as well then?.

VNA - BMW Wank · « **Reply #1373 on:** 07 January 2019, 09:11:58 pm »

I think the quote is;
“Being a member of The European Union comes with rights and benefits, third countries cannot have the same rights and benefits, since they are not subject to the same obligations.”
“The single market and it’s full freedoms are indivisible, cherry picking is not an option."
Michel Barnier

fazersharp · « **Reply #1374 on:** 07 January 2019, 09:13:38 pm »

Quote from: YamFazFan on 07 January 2019, 08:31:40 pm

You often hear The EU saying how The UK can't just cherry pick all the good bits of membership (or words to that effect).

That must mean there's some crap as well then?.

I think even the most hardened remainers agree that the EU is not all perfect. But they think somehow they can improve it with their 9.7% influence. There is no changing the EU, leavers have woken up to this fact.