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Bikes, Hints'n'Tips => Fazer 1000/FZ1 corner => Topic started by: lew600fazer on 31 August 2013, 05:26:29 pm
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Sorry to be muppet, but can someone tell this idiot what the main difference is between the Fazer FS 1000 and the FZ 1
How do they stack up regards BHP , Fuel consumption and touring ablity.
Lew
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The FZ1 is a real mans bike
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You left out the "wo" :lol
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Ladies, ladies, lets not be shy about this, it's obvious to all.
The FZS is a bit of a pipe 'n' slippers machine, and the FZ1 is easily the hairy chested butch bodybuilder! :rollin :rollin :rollin
No, seriously. The FZS is a proper all rounder, best analogy is a mini FJR, the FZ1 is a comfy sports bike, or an R1 with flat bars.
Fuel consumption:- The FZ1 averages about 40 UK mpg with 130ish miles to a tank, and the FZS does (correct me if I'm wrong) about 45ish UK mpg, and gets 200 miles ish to the tank
BHP:- FZ1 is 150 bhp (crank), and FZS is about 145bhp. FZS has better torque lower down the rev range, the FZ1 is more revvy producing its power a couple of thousand rpm higher.
Touring ability:- FZS is comfier with a bigger tank, FZ1 is more fun on the twisties. (just done 295 miles on mine today into Wales, my arse was a bit sore!! :eek )
Hope that answers your questions, now if your manly, you'd get the FZ1, or you can carry a tartan blanket and a flask of hot sweet tea in your 50 litre topbox on the FZS. :lol
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You left out the "wo" :lol
:rollin :rollin :rollin
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Really apart from age, there aint much difference, you can ride em how you want,,a slow fart or a racer boy.
It is a easy as that.
Here is the two to see side by side
(http://i470.photobucket.com/albums/rr61/slimwilly/nickdrive_zpsd6c7b421.jpg) (http://s470.photobucket.com/user/slimwilly/media/nickdrive_zpsd6c7b421.jpg.html)
I only chose the Gen 2 FZ1s because they were newer, i knew nowt about either, just read good reports.
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Ok they're side by side, but which is which?
I only have a boxeye 6 :o
LTC
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Left / blue one is an FZ1 and right / yellow is an FZS 1000
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Not that i'm biased but the FZ1 appeals to the genitally underendowed mainly, and the fzs is for real men;-)
With a few select mods the gen1 can be made the match of a gen2 but with more comfort and a bigger tank.
The gen2 is more sports oriented whereas the gen1 is a genuine all rounder
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If I can afford the insurance, I may get a Thou when I return from the US.
The critical question - how well does a Gen 2 tow? :lol :lol :lol
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I've been running quotes as my insurance renewal is in a few weeks and it's actually exactly the same cost for me to insure my 600 or a gen 1 thou - pity I can't afford to buy one at the moment :P
Need to phone them up this week and try to blag the price down as its overkill this year (75% more expensive than what I paid last year...)
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Left / blue one is an FZ1 and right / yellow is an FZS 1000
Yeah, I noticed now that the blue one actually says FZ1 on it D'oh!
LTC
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Haha, yeah that's usually the other way to tell ;)
Someone did point out in another topic though that the FZS1000 was branded as the FZ1 in the USA though... you know, just to be awkward as usual...
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As was evidenced on todays LoFo ride, the main difference between different Fazers is that FZS1000 & FZS600 riders actually get out and ride theirs :rollin
"What, go out on me bike? No, it's an FZ1, I'll get a sore ass!" :pokefun :lol
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As was evidenced on todays LoFo ride, the main difference between different Fazers is that FZS1000 & FZS600 riders actually get out and ride theirs :rollin
"What, go out on me bike? No, it's an FZ1, I'll get a sore ass!" :pokefun :lol
:rollin
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Fazers is that FZS1000 & FZS600 riders actually get out and ride theirs :rollin
"What, go out on me bike? No, it's an FZ1, I'll get a sore ass!" :pokefun :lol
Is that why my 2010 fz1 has almost 28,000 miles on the clock? (more than some 10 year old gen 1's) :-p
Hard seat, pah, I laugh at my plank-like arse cramping seat! :'(
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The real difference is fs1000s stop at roundabouts (im still feeling guilty jase).
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The real difference is fs1000s stop at roundabouts (im still feeling guilty jase).
Well, he was enjoying the rideout today!
At least the Gen2s haven't develloped the kamikaze tendencies adopted by the 600s... :'(
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Hello christo if your still up those pain killers kosmo gave you must be realyy good. Sorry to hesr sbout your spill mate glad your ok. As you know you can allways sort the bike out eventualy
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The FZS has carbs and an EXup valve that actually does something for the power ( providing it ain't seized and adjusted properly).
The FZS engine is loosely based on a R1 engine from 98 and the FZ1 from later model R1.
FZS uses a steel tube frame and FZ1 a aluminium cast frame( known to crack) :rolleyes
The FZ1 2006 on has fuel injection and a exhaust valve that is there to cut noise at low revs so it can pass euro bollocks tests.
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Left / blue one is an FZ1 and right / yellow is an FZS 1000
Yeah, I noticed now that the blue one actually says FZ1 on it D'oh!
LTC
my fzs says fz1 on it but it deffo int a girls bike lol
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Just to confuse the issue
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Follwoing on from Jackjet's post -
The upshot of fual injection is you have to pay a bike shop to balance the injectors as and when it needs it. Also the first gen of the FZ1 had crappy fueling so the popular mod was to fit a PowerCommander 3 and an Ivans fuel cut eliminator
http://www.ivansperformanceproducts.com/2006fz1.htm (http://www.ivansperformanceproducts.com/2006fz1.htm)
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Just to confuse the issue
Pic 1 = UK/Europe model = fast red & black version.
Pic 2 = US model = slow blue version. (possibly restricted.... :rollin )
Easy.
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Just to confuse the issue
Pic 1 = UK/Europe model = fast red & black version.
Pic 2 = US model = slow blue version. (possibly restricted.... :rollin )
Easy.
The US models are full power, its the French models that are restricted to 100BHP
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Just to confuse the issue
Pic 1 = UK/Europe model = fast red & black version.
Pic 2 = US model = slow blue version. (possibly restricted.... :rollin )
Easy.
The US models are full power, its the French models that are restricted to 100BHP
Merde.
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What are you worried about Christo? You're going stateside soon! :)
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What are you worried about Christo? You're going stateside soon! :)
Wee, but Eye eez from la bell France. Eef I get er bayk een mie 'ome cuntree, eet weel be slow.
Appropreeatlee, the thirst colorr on ze flag eez blue, weech eez slow as merde! :lol
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Follwoing on from Jackjet's post -
The upshot of fual injection is you have to pay a bike shop to balance the injectors as and when it needs it. Also the first gen of the FZ1 had crappy fueling so the popular mod was to fit a PowerCommander 3 and an Ivans fuel cut eliminator
[url]http://www.ivansperformanceproducts.com/2006fz1.htm[/url] ([url]http://www.ivansperformanceproducts.com/2006fz1.htm[/url])
Balancing the throttles is a diy job the same as the old fogey gen1 :p
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Just to confuse the issue
Pic 1 = UK/Europe model = fast red & black version.
Pic 2 = US model = slow blue version. (possibly restricted.... :rollin )
Easy.
Guess again :lol
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This is my Aussie model 2004 FZS1000S but has the FZ1 stickers :)
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having owned both id havta say the gen 1 is a brilliant bike that needs a little money and time spending on it to make it even better.(end can, ivans jet kit) the gen 2 is also brilliant, but needs considerably more money and time spending on it to make it even better..(slip on, pc3 or 5,dyno time and re-map, FCE, removing/replacing/cutting down secondaries etc...) just my humble opinion of course..... :)
also, when people say about fuel consumption and you think " hell yeah, but i didnt buy a motorbike to worry about that...", if you ride a lot then the gen 2 really does hit you in the pocket, quite apart from the messing about if your touring with considerably more fuel stops, and planning your forays into the pyranees to make sure you dont end up stranded and fubar. ;)
in truth if gen 1's werent getting a bit long in the tooth now, i would have got another, having said that i do love my gen 2, its a proper fun, thats what its all about innit...
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Better in the twisties :lol more nimble.
But in a straight line with carbs, exhaust K&N af all in prof tuned the Gen 2 will not be left behind.
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The real story and a little History Lesson
The forerunner of them all is the FZ400, an inline four with four carburettors making a claimed 53hp which hit the streets in Japan in 1997 and was last manufactured in 1998. :eek It was only available as a Jap import :( in Europe and usually known as the FZS400 or Fazer 400.
Next up was the FZS 600 also known as the Fazer 600 (the first to be named Fazer :) ), also an inline four with four carburettors making a claimed 95hp with engine based on the Thundercat detuned to with a better mid range and was manufactured from 1998 to 2003 with a few changes along the way and it was never imported to the US. In the Baltic states it was called the FZS600 only as the name Fazer was used by a food company. Replaced b the FZ600 in late 2003 as it did not meet the latest emissions regulations
Next up in 2001 was the FZ1 designed for the US as they thought bigger is better (but all the 600 riders know this is not true :lol ) and found its way to Europe as the FZS1000 and Fazer 1000, another an inline four with four carburettors making a claimed 143hp with engine base on the 98 Carburettor model R1 engine also detuned to give a better midrange. Most of Europe had the officially imported models designated the FZS 1000 with Fazer on the fairing (The black engine and frame models were know as FZS1000S) With the exception of the Baltic states for the reasons outlined above they got the FZ1 on the Fairing. Never sold in the numbers expected because it was overpriced in the beginning, but discounted prices saw sales improve later in its sales life. I believe it was also available in Australia as the FZ1. It was last manufacturd in 2005 and like the 600 was killed off as it did not meet the latest emissions regulations. :eek
It was finally replaced in 2006 by the was the fuel injected FZ1 :'(
Am open to correction, but it should be mostly correct
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FZS1000 is heavier than FZ1
FZS1000 has softer suspension than FZ1
FZS1000 has comfier seat than FZ1
FZS1000 has better fairing than FZ1
FZS1000 has carbs and FZ1 has injectors
FZS1000 has nicer throttle response than FZ1 (less aggressive)
FZS1000 has tubular frame, FZ1 has Di Cast Alli frame
FZS1000 has 21 litre tank capacity, FZ1 has little 18 litre capacity.
FZ1 has more power than FZS1000 (about 6hp difference)
FZS1000 is slightly higher and longer than FZ1.
The bikes def look similar but feel very different.
FZ1 is def sportier. It has a more rigid frame, stiffer springs and wider bars, lighter weight, and being shorter turns in a bit better.
However, the FZS1000 is faster than the FZ1 in both acceleration on 0-60 and standing 1/4 mile and it has higher top speed.
I have both bike - but have converted the FZS1000 into a full on track bike. I have given it stiffer springs, clip-on handlebars, stripped all unnecessary elctrics such as lights and clocks (I've put in a smaller rev counter, ditched the seat for a much lighter foam pad, and adapted fairing and pulled the suspension through theyoked 10mm. . It is now lighter than the FZ1, sportier springs making the extra acceleration and top speed count, lower and shorter..