Author Topic: Oil and filter change (Read 31978 times)

akula · « **on:** 22 March 2012, 04:31:17 pm »

Hi guys just looking a bit of advice on my new fzs600 2002 with 6.5k miles. Just bought it but was going to change the oil and filters.

What oil and filters do you recommend? I don't mind spending a bit more for a better product if it is worth it and good for the bike.

Also have you any other suggestions on what to check/change. Everything else seems to be in great nick...chain etc

Cheers

Chris

richfzs · « **Reply #1 on:** 22 March 2012, 04:44:10 pm »

Oh christ, he asked the oil question....

Welcome Chris

Oil is a much discussed topic - some (the misguided fools

)will say you must buy bike specific oil such as Motul 7100 or similar, while others will say that if Mr Yamaha states CF or SL spec (which he does, for an FZS600) then any that meets that spec is champion. I'll leave you to work out which camp I fall into

.

Filter wise, I've always used generic from my local bike shop, never had any bother.

Fazer Jake · « **Reply #2 on:** 22 March 2012, 05:10:36 pm »

I run mine on 10w/40 Power 1 and a champion filter

Dead Eye · « **Reply #3 on:** 22 March 2012, 05:20:43 pm »

From the previous threads id suggest that it depends on how much you want to take care of the bike. Using cheap parts and oil but changing them more frequently seems to be the opinion for best results but its wether you want to do the maintenance constantly - though I guess this depends on how much you intend to use the bike.

I opted for Castrol Power 1 oil with a Halfords filter - I wasn't interested in shopping around so just walked in, grabbed the items, paid for them and did the change

Major Rant · « **Reply #4 on:** 22 March 2012, 06:01:29 pm »

I'm staying out of this ...

I refer m'learned friends to previous discussions.
http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php/topic,666.0.html

JZS 600 · « **Reply #5 on:** 22 March 2012, 06:51:24 pm »

I've always used Silkolene, seems like an honest oil (!) and within the range specified by the manufacturer of the bikes, 10w 40 SF in this instance. Generic oil filter and change the oil in good time with reference to the service schedule.
Apparently changing the oil frequently is more important that the badge on the container.

akula · « **Reply #6 on:** 22 March 2012, 09:03:00 pm »

Great. In regards to champion oil can anyone recommend a good supplier. Also would you recommend putting in a K&N air filter?

Oxygen · « **Reply #7 on:** 22 March 2012, 09:35:03 pm »

I used this

http://www.mydiscountsdirect.com/rock-oil-guardian-10w40-s-synthetic-4-stroke-engine-oil-1276-p.asp

I also got my filters from eBay. With a fuel and air filter. Easy to do and they have the workshop manual on the forum

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GENUINE-YAMAHA-OIL-FILTER-FSZ600-FZS-FZ600S-FAZER-FZ-S-2002-02-5GH13440000-/290677136173?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item43adb51b2d#ht_2309wt_922

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/YAMAHA-FZS600-FZS-600-FAZER-FUEL-FILTER-/160696289282?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item256a3ec802#ht_952wt_689

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HIFLO-YAMAHA-AIR-FILTER-FZS600-FAZER-98-03-ROAD-MOTORCYCLE-/310344894654?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item4841ff48be#ht_2310wt_999

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/K-N-HIGH-FLOW-AIR-FILTER-YAMAHA-FZS-600-FAZER-97-03-/310109052723?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item4833f09f33#ht_1834wt_822

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Genuine-Yamaha-Air-Filter-FZS600-Fazer-1998-2003-/140668486323?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item20c07ec2b3#ht_2005wt_982

akula · « **Reply #8 on:** 22 March 2012, 09:57:06 pm »

Cheers oxygen

clayt74 · « **Reply #9 on:** 23 March 2012, 10:27:08 am »

Quote from: richfzs on 22 March 2012, 04:44:10 pm

Oh christ, he asked the oil question....

Welcome Chris

Oil is a much discussed topic - some (the misguided fools )will say you must buy bike specific oil such as Motul 7100 or similar, while others will say that if Mr Yamaha states CF or SL spec (which he does, for an FZS600) then any that meets that spec is champion. I'll leave you to work out which camp I fall into .

Filter wise, I've always used generic from my local bike shop, never had any bother.

OK, i know this is a touchy subject but i cant help giving my opinion $:\$ ,
where does Mr Yamaha state CF or SL for the FZS600?

the owners manaul and the service manual state that do not use CD or Higher ....... but does also say in the specs that SE,SF,SG or higher may be used.

using that info would suggest that an oil that was only SL spec would be fine,
the problem with most of the cheap SL oils that people seem to think are fine for a bike also meet the spec CF !!!!

CF spec oils do contain "slippery modifiers" such as molybdenum which are not good for wet clutches and not great for the high temps of gearboxes.

the asda oil material safety data sheet is here http://www.tetconnect.com/catalogueImages/sds/sds-04417844.pdf

its only my opinion but 10 years ago i would have agreed that oil was oil and been done with it, but new modern cheap oils that are designed to meet as many modern petrol and diesel combustion only all have some form of additives.

you wouldnt catch a cager putting gearbox oil into the engine, nor putting engine oil into the gear box, so why would i put anything other than a motorcycle oil into my bike?

I do agree that if you can find an oil that only states SE, SF, SG regardless of whether it states for motorcycle use or not, that it would be fine.
but i do not accept that CD,CE,CF is of any use.

sorry guys its only silkolene or such for me.

DryRob · « **Reply #10 on:** 23 March 2012, 11:40:45 am »

Quote from: Major Rant on 22 March 2012, 06:01:29 pm

I'm staying out of this ...

I refer m'learned friends to previous discussions.
http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php/topic,666.0.html

I'm with you on this but it's interesting how this was topic 666

Dead Eye · « **Reply #11 on:** 23 March 2012, 11:42:36 am »

Quote from: akula on 22 March 2012, 09:03:00 pm

Great. In regards to champion oil can anyone recommend a good supplier. Also would you recommend putting in a K&N air filter?

For the K&N filter; based on the fact that they are washable and have a million mile warranty (mine did at least) then Id suggest its probably worth it. Found mine on eBay for about £25 instead of nearly £50 from some other online retailers

To be fair though, I havent checked the price of OEM / Replacement filters. At the time, £25 seemed resonable *shrugs*

edc · « **Reply #12 on:** 23 March 2012, 06:17:21 pm »

For the equilivent of a few litres of unleaded - is it really worth not using top grade dedicated motorcycle oil???

My two cents!

wraith600 · « **Reply #13 on:** 24 March 2012, 06:48:48 am »

k&n filters and any quality oil i use an oil

designed for cars but have had no problems
CASTROL EDGE 0W-40 or 10-40 MAGNATEC or a 50 /50 mix what ever ive got at the time

JZS 600 · « **Reply #14 on:** 24 March 2012, 09:08:25 am »

I've never really thought about it but is it OK to mix different brands as long as it's the same spec?
It's probably all the same oil anyway!

JZS 600 · « **Reply #15 on:** 24 March 2012, 09:15:05 am »

BTW, Busters have a deal on Shell Advance SX, £19.99 which seems pretty reasonable.

janner_10 · « **Reply #16 on:** 27 March 2012, 11:19:29 pm »

Asda 10/40w changed every 2k, champion oil filter every other oil change - changing your oil regularly is better than sticking in overpriced stuff and forgetting about it.

ratfazer · « **Reply #17 on:** 29 March 2012, 12:31:56 am »

I agree with Janner. I use the cheapest oil i can get and change it every 2000/2500 miles rather than leave it.

bikemad62 · « **Reply #18 on:** 24 April 2012, 10:59:42 pm »

Hein gerike do a fairly cheap semi synthetic oil.I have used this for years with no problem. I put a new engine in my bike in january after 71,000 miles on this oil ( changed regularly) but always used the same brand. My bike is used every day rain or shine and this oil has never let me down. Hope this helps.

ddtwelve · « **Reply #19 on:** 21 May 2012, 09:54:34 pm »

well my bro just did his car oil change and gave me the rest of his oil castrol edge 5-30w full synthectic will this be good on fz6??

CRH · « **Reply #20 on:** 21 May 2012, 10:56:38 pm »

hi, akula, think i got your twin? my fazers 02 with 6500 miles too!! ive recently changed my oil /filter using castrol gtx 15.40w reason for going to a slightly heavier oil seems to make my gearchange alot smoother?? i use a k&n oil filter too, and change that every second oil change!! clive.

Dead Eye · « **Reply #21 on:** 21 May 2012, 11:14:53 pm »

Pretty sure some more info in another oil thread that will outline your answer. As long as it is the correct spec and doesn't include certain additives (sorry, I don't remember them) then it should be ok. HOWEVER

BE WARNED THAT A LOT OF CAR OILS USE ADDITIVES WHICH WILL DESTROY THE CLUTCH ON A BIKE!

Make sure you check the Oil you have before you do anything. If you aren't sure, I wouldn't recommend risking it.

Buzz · « **Reply #22 on:** 22 May 2012, 10:21:31 am »

Do you really need the proper wrench tool to get the oil filter off? I've read you can just hammer a screwdriver through and unscrew it that way.

For installation of the new one I've heard you only need it hand tight anyways...manual says 17Nm but is that "hand tight"

Halfords 5L for £27 seems to get some decent reviews.

JZS 600 · « **Reply #23 on:** 22 May 2012, 10:31:38 am »

I bought a proper tool for the oil filter removal after getting fed up with hot, spurting oil flying round the place when the screwdriver went in.

Also, if you tear the filter when taking it off, world of woes!

Hand tight is correct for the new filter

Dead Eye · « **Reply #24 on:** 22 May 2012, 11:35:03 am »

I agree with JZS 600

Last time I did mine I use the hammer and screw driver trick... end result was oil EVERYWHERE. Next time im definitely getting myself a chain remover thing...