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Title: Oil and filter change
Post by: akula on 22 March 2012, 04:31:17 pm
Hi guys just looking a bit of advice on my new fzs600 2002 with 6.5k miles. Just bought it but was going to change the oil and filters.

What oil and filters do you recommend? I don't mind spending a bit more for a better product if it is worth it and good for the bike.

Also have you any other suggestions on what to check/change. Everything else seems to be in great nick...chain etc

Cheers

Chris
Title: Re: Oil and filter change
Post by: richfzs on 22 March 2012, 04:44:10 pm
Oh christ, he asked the oil question.... :'( :'(

Welcome Chris  :D

Oil is a much discussed topic - some (the misguided fools ;) )will say you must buy bike specific oil such as Motul 7100 or similar, while others will say that if Mr Yamaha states CF or SL spec (which he does, for an FZS600) then any that meets that spec is champion. I'll leave you to work out which camp I fall into  8) .

Filter wise, I've always used generic from my local bike shop, never had any bother.
Title: Re: Oil and filter change
Post by: Fazer Jake on 22 March 2012, 05:10:36 pm
I run mine on 10w/40 Power 1 and a champion filter
Title: Re: Oil and filter change
Post by: Dead Eye on 22 March 2012, 05:20:43 pm
From the previous threads id suggest that it depends on how much you want to take care of the bike. Using cheap parts and oil but changing them more frequently seems to be the opinion for best results but its wether you want to do the maintenance constantly - though I guess this depends on how much you intend to use the bike.

I opted for Castrol Power 1 oil with a Halfords filter - I wasn't interested in shopping around so just walked in, grabbed the items, paid for them and did the change :)
Title: Re: Oil and filter change
Post by: Major Rant on 22 March 2012, 06:01:29 pm
I'm staying out of this ... :lol
 
I refer m'learned friends to previous discussions.
http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php/topic,666.0.html (http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php/topic,666.0.html)
Title: Re: Oil and filter change
Post by: JZS 600 on 22 March 2012, 06:51:24 pm
I've always used Silkolene, seems like an honest oil (!) and within the range specified by the manufacturer of the bikes, 10w 40 SF in this instance. Generic oil filter and change the oil in good time with reference to the service schedule.
Apparently changing the oil frequently is more important that the badge on the container.
Title: Re: Oil and filter change
Post by: akula on 22 March 2012, 09:03:00 pm
Great. In regards to champion oil can anyone recommend a good supplier. Also would you recommend putting in a K&N air filter?
Title: Re: Oil and filter change
Post by: Oxygen on 22 March 2012, 09:35:03 pm
I used this

http://www.mydiscountsdirect.com/rock-oil-guardian-10w40-s-synthetic-4-stroke-engine-oil-1276-p.asp (http://www.mydiscountsdirect.com/rock-oil-guardian-10w40-s-synthetic-4-stroke-engine-oil-1276-p.asp)

I also got my filters from eBay. With a fuel and air filter. Easy to do and they have the workshop manual on the forum

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GENUINE-YAMAHA-OIL-FILTER-FSZ600-FZS-FZ600S-FAZER-FZ-S-2002-02-5GH13440000-/290677136173?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item43adb51b2d#ht_2309wt_922 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GENUINE-YAMAHA-OIL-FILTER-FSZ600-FZS-FZ600S-FAZER-FZ-S-2002-02-5GH13440000-/290677136173?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item43adb51b2d#ht_2309wt_922)

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/YAMAHA-FZS600-FZS-600-FAZER-FUEL-FILTER-/160696289282?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item256a3ec802#ht_952wt_689 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/YAMAHA-FZS600-FZS-600-FAZER-FUEL-FILTER-/160696289282?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item256a3ec802#ht_952wt_689)

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HIFLO-YAMAHA-AIR-FILTER-FZS600-FAZER-98-03-ROAD-MOTORCYCLE-/310344894654?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item4841ff48be#ht_2310wt_999 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HIFLO-YAMAHA-AIR-FILTER-FZS600-FAZER-98-03-ROAD-MOTORCYCLE-/310344894654?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item4841ff48be#ht_2310wt_999)

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/K-N-HIGH-FLOW-AIR-FILTER-YAMAHA-FZS-600-FAZER-97-03-/310109052723?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item4833f09f33#ht_1834wt_822 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/K-N-HIGH-FLOW-AIR-FILTER-YAMAHA-FZS-600-FAZER-97-03-/310109052723?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item4833f09f33#ht_1834wt_822)

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Genuine-Yamaha-Air-Filter-FZS600-Fazer-1998-2003-/140668486323?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item20c07ec2b3#ht_2005wt_982 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Genuine-Yamaha-Air-Filter-FZS600-Fazer-1998-2003-/140668486323?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item20c07ec2b3#ht_2005wt_982)





Title: Re: Oil and filter change
Post by: akula on 22 March 2012, 09:57:06 pm
Cheers oxygen
Title: Re: Oil and filter change
Post by: clayt74 on 23 March 2012, 10:27:08 am
Oh christ, he asked the oil question.... :'( :'(

Welcome Chris  :D

Oil is a much discussed topic - some (the misguided fools ;) )will say you must buy bike specific oil such as Motul 7100 or similar, while others will say that if Mr Yamaha states CF or SL spec (which he does, for an FZS600) then any that meets that spec is champion. I'll leave you to work out which camp I fall into  8) .

Filter wise, I've always used generic from my local bike shop, never had any bother.

 
OK, i know this is a touchy subject but i cant help giving my opinion  :\ ,
where does Mr Yamaha state CF or SL for the FZS600?
 
the owners manaul and the service manual state that do not use CD or Higher ....... but does also say in the specs that SE,SF,SG or higher may be used.
 
using that info would suggest that an oil that was only SL spec would be fine,
the problem with most of the cheap SL oils that people seem to think are fine for a bike also meet the spec CF !!!!
 
CF spec oils do contain "slippery modifiers" such as molybdenum which are not good for wet clutches and not great for the high temps of gearboxes.
 
the asda oil material safety data sheet is here http://www.tetconnect.com/catalogueImages/sds/sds-04417844.pdf (http://www.tetconnect.com/catalogueImages/sds/sds-04417844.pdf)
 
its only my opinion but 10 years ago i would have agreed that oil was oil and been done with it, but new modern cheap oils that are designed to meet as many modern petrol and diesel combustion only all have some form of additives.
 
you wouldnt catch a cager putting gearbox oil into the engine, nor putting engine oil into the gear box, so why would i put anything other than a motorcycle oil into my bike?
 
I do agree that if you can find an oil that only states SE, SF, SG regardless of whether it states for motorcycle use or not, that it would be fine.
but i do not accept that CD,CE,CF is of any use.
 
sorry guys its only silkolene or such for me.
Title: Re: Oil and filter change
Post by: DryRob on 23 March 2012, 11:40:45 am
I'm staying out of this ... :lol
 
I refer m'learned friends to previous discussions.
[url]http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php/topic,666.0.html[/url] ([url]http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php/topic,666.0.html[/url])

 
I'm with you on this but it's interesting how this was topic 666  :lol
Title: Re: Oil and filter change
Post by: Dead Eye on 23 March 2012, 11:42:36 am
Great. In regards to champion oil can anyone recommend a good supplier. Also would you recommend putting in a K&N air filter?

For the K&N filter; based on the fact that they are washable and have a million mile warranty (mine did at least) then Id suggest its probably worth it. Found mine on eBay for about £25 instead of nearly £50 from some other online retailers  :eek

To be fair though, I havent checked the price of OEM / Replacement filters. At the time, £25 seemed resonable *shrugs*
Title: Re: Oil and filter change
Post by: edc on 23 March 2012, 06:17:21 pm
For the equilivent of a few litres of unleaded - is it really worth not using top grade dedicated motorcycle oil???

My two cents!
Title: Re: Oil and filter change
Post by: wraith600 on 24 March 2012, 06:48:48 am
k&n filters and any quality oil i use an oil
designed for cars but have had no problems
 CASTROL EDGE 0W-40 or 10-40 MAGNATEC or a 50 /50 mix what ever ive got at the time
Title: Re: Oil and filter change
Post by: JZS 600 on 24 March 2012, 09:08:25 am
I've never really thought about it but is it OK to mix different brands as long as it's the same spec?
It's probably all the same oil anyway!
Title: Re: Oil and filter change
Post by: JZS 600 on 24 March 2012, 09:15:05 am
BTW, Busters have a deal on Shell Advance SX, £19.99 which seems pretty reasonable.
Title: Re: Oil and filter change
Post by: janner_10 on 27 March 2012, 11:19:29 pm
Asda 10/40w changed every 2k, champion oil filter every other oil change - changing your oil regularly is better than sticking in overpriced stuff and forgetting about it.
Title: Re: Oil and filter change
Post by: ratfazer on 29 March 2012, 12:31:56 am
I agree with Janner. I use the cheapest oil i can get and change it every 2000/2500 miles rather than leave it.
Title: Re: Oil and filter change
Post by: bikemad62 on 24 April 2012, 10:59:42 pm
Hein gerike do a fairly cheap semi synthetic oil.I have used this for years with no problem. I put a new engine in my bike in january after 71,000 miles on this oil ( changed regularly) but always used the same brand. My bike is used every day rain or shine and this oil has never let me down. Hope this helps.
Title: Re: Oil and filter change
Post by: ddtwelve on 21 May 2012, 09:54:34 pm
well my bro just did his car oil change and gave me the rest of his oil castrol edge 5-30w full synthectic will this be good on fz6?? :lol
Title: Re: Oil and filter change
Post by: CRH on 21 May 2012, 10:56:38 pm
hi, akula, think i got your twin? my fazers 02 with 6500 miles too!! ive recently changed my oil /filter using castrol gtx 15.40w reason for going to a slightly heavier oil seems to make my gearchange alot smoother?? i use a k&n oil filter too, and change that every second oil change!! clive.
Title: Re: Oil and filter change
Post by: Dead Eye on 21 May 2012, 11:14:53 pm
Pretty sure some more info in another oil thread that will outline your answer. As long as it is the correct spec and doesn't include certain additives (sorry, I don't remember them) then it should be ok. HOWEVER

BE WARNED THAT A LOT OF CAR OILS USE ADDITIVES WHICH WILL DESTROY THE CLUTCH ON A BIKE!

Make sure you check the Oil you have before you do anything. If you aren't sure, I wouldn't recommend risking it.
Title: Re: Oil and filter change
Post by: Buzz on 22 May 2012, 10:21:31 am

Do you really need the proper wrench tool to get the oil filter off?  I've read you can just hammer a screwdriver through and unscrew it that way.

For installation of the new one I've heard you only need it hand tight anyways...manual says 17Nm but is that "hand tight"

Halfords 5L for £27 seems to get some decent reviews.


Title: Re: Oil and filter change
Post by: JZS 600 on 22 May 2012, 10:31:38 am
I bought a proper tool for the oil filter removal after getting fed up with hot, spurting oil flying round the place when the screwdriver went in.
 
Also, if you tear the filter when taking it off, world of woes!
 
Hand tight is correct for the new filter
Title: Re: Oil and filter change
Post by: Dead Eye on 22 May 2012, 11:35:03 am
I agree with JZS 600

Last time I did mine I use the hammer and screw driver trick... end result was oil EVERYWHERE. Next time im definitely getting myself a chain remover thing...
Title: Re: Oil and filter change
Post by: DryRob on 22 May 2012, 12:03:15 pm
I use one of these
Title: Re: Oil and filter change
Post by: Gaz73 on 22 May 2012, 12:10:44 pm
 I use Castrol Power 1 Racing Oil and Champion Oil Filter........... job done  ;)
Title: Re: Oil and filter change
Post by: Fazer Jake on 22 May 2012, 12:38:13 pm
I use Castrol Power 1 Racing Oil and Champion Oil Filter........... job done  ;)

Thought u were only supposed to run fazers on semi syn?  :\
Title: Re: Oil and filter change
Post by: Gaz73 on 22 May 2012, 01:06:36 pm
I use Castrol Power 1 Racing Oil and Champion Oil Filter........... job done  ;)

Thought u were only supposed to run fazers on semi syn?  :\


Ahem, my mistake, omit the 'racing' I use Castrol Power 1 4T in the Fazer and Castrol Power 1 Racing 2T in the scooter ;)
Title: Re: Oil and filter change
Post by: jason1 on 22 May 2012, 04:17:15 pm
Done the screwdriver  and hammer trick(messy shit) , all i use know is a standard oil filter chain. Works great on bike and car .
Title: Re: Oil and filter change
Post by: Slaninar on 22 May 2012, 04:41:44 pm
Thought u were only supposed to run fazers on semi syn?  :\

They work just fine on full synth.

KN - good.

Motul 7100, or 5100 if you want semi synth, cheaper one.
Title: Re: Oil and filter change
Post by: Motorbreath on 22 May 2012, 04:52:59 pm
The K&N oil filter comes with an attached nut.
(http://www.knfilters.com/images/l/KN-147.jpg)


Title: Re: Oil and filter change
Post by: Dave48 on 22 May 2012, 05:57:53 pm
Any brand of bike oil that meets the spec. I have used Silkolene,Yamalube,Morris,Shell. Always semi-syn & 10W-40 for our climate.Any make of filter like HiFlo,Champion even Yamaha at a pinch(£!!). Buy an oil filter remover tool-about £7. Theres just enough room for the socket extension between the downpipes. Always put a smidgin of fresh oil on seal of new filter. Change drain plug washer if looking worn out-the washer that is! :) .
Title: Re: Oil and filter change
Post by: Jbizzle on 12 April 2016, 09:27:44 am
Hi Guys,


I have some Shell Helix Ultra 5W-40 Fully Synthetic Engine Oil left over from my car service, that I am hoping i can use for my bike. I have been told the Haynes manual states my FZS 600 (2003)  needs 10W-40 oil.
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Title: Re: Oil and filter change
Post by: darrsi on 12 April 2016, 10:29:19 am
Personally I would stick with 10w/40 semi synthetic.
Title: Re: Oil and filter change
Post by: jan.van.gent on 12 April 2016, 01:18:15 pm
Hi Guys,


I have some Shell Helix Ultra 5W-40 Fully Synthetic Engine Oil left over from my car service, that I am hoping i can use for my bike. I have been told the Haynes manual states my FZS 600 (2003)  needs 10W-40 oil.
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[/size]Being "5W" means the oil is designed to work at lower temperatures than the recommended "10W", does anyone know if this will affect the viscosity at higher temperatures? And therefore damage/wear my engine? [/color]

[/size]Thanks![/color]


don't ever use car oil in a motorcycle with wet clutch! It will make the clutch slip.

I use Procycle 10W40 semi-synthetic.
https://www.louis.de/en/artikel/procycle-4t-engine-oil-semi-synthetic-10w-40-1-litre/10038450?list=164995864 (https://www.louis.de/en/artikel/procycle-4t-engine-oil-semi-synthetic-10w-40-1-litre/10038450?list=164995864)
In bottles of 4 liter, it's about 4.5€/liter, or thus for you guys 3.59 pound/liter
The quality is Ok of this oil. I used it in all my bikes so far, never troubles. Also read a few good reviews about it.
Title: Re: Oil and filter change
Post by: Dave48 on 12 April 2016, 04:35:13 pm
Its the "lifeblood" of the engine so if Yamaha say 10W40 semi-synthetic thats what to use. Some car oils contain friction modifiers which work fine in car engines with their dry clutches & separate gearbox oil, but can play havoc in wet clutch(motorcycle) engines. Not worth the risk for the sake of a few quid.
Title: Re: Oil and filter change
Post by: topgun44 on 12 April 2016, 05:20:45 pm
car oil change it every 3000 miles do it with all off me bikes in last 27 years and none gone bang yet
Title: Re: Oil and filter change
Post by: Bretty on 12 April 2016, 05:45:02 pm
On a side note (crikey someone's dug out an old thread!  :eek well in fairness everyone complains if you don't use the search function  :))...

Anyway as I was saying, talking about the clutch slipping, last time I rebuild my engine I used a 50/50 mix of molybdenum grease and engine oil on all the cam holders. This has obviously now gone through the engine and now my clutch slips at max torque. I only used a fine coating but obviously even a bit will cause a problem!

When people say the friction modifiers will 'kill' the clutch, can it be 'washed' off? Or is my clutch now ruined? I have a spare clutch, but could I not just give the old plates the washing up liquid or degreaser treatment, re-oil and refit?

Cheers! 

Brett
Title: Re: Oil and filter change
Post by: Bimbam on 12 April 2016, 06:09:08 pm
Castrol Power1 4T 10W-40. Original Yamaha oil-filter. Chance once a year or maksimum 8.000 km.

Title: Re: Oil and filter change
Post by: Deefer666 on 13 April 2016, 07:58:44 am
Don't bother spending the extra to buy a K&N oil filter, They are made in the same factory as the Hi-Flo filters & Hi-flo now do a "racing" filter that has a nut welded on the end so it can be removed in the future with an ordinary 17mm socket.


Don't buy a chain wrench to remove the filter, you wont have enough clearance to use it.... and they are shit. Buy the 3 fingered type then you can use it on any filter.
Title: Re: Oil and filter change
Post by: fazersharp on 13 April 2016, 11:34:24 am
I got one like this but you need the right size (of course) http://www.halfords.com/workshop-tools/tools/hand-tools/sealey-sx226-oil-filter-cap-wrench-74mm-x-14-flutes (http://www.halfords.com/workshop-tools/tools/hand-tools/sealey-sx226-oil-filter-cap-wrench-74mm-x-14-flutes)
Title: Re: Oil and filter change
Post by: Jbizzle on 13 April 2016, 12:01:07 pm
Its the "lifeblood" of the engine so if Yamaha say 10W40 semi-synthetic thats what to use. Some car oils contain friction modifiers which work fine in car engines with their dry clutches & separate gearbox oil, but can play havoc in wet clutch(motorcycle) engines. Not worth the risk for the sake of a few quid.


Thanks Dave, Purchased some 10w-40 Castrol Power 1 4T, I wes given a K&N filter with th bike when i purchased it last week so i think i am good to go!
Title: Re: Oil and filter change
Post by: Bretty on 13 April 2016, 04:21:22 pm
The K&N oil filter comes with an attached nut.

PRE-ROUNDED nut!  :eek I've never had this nut work.  :rolleyes  ;)
Title: Re: Oil and filter change
Post by: darrsi on 13 April 2016, 04:59:40 pm
The K&N oil filter comes with an attached nut.

PRE-ROUNDED nut!  :eek I've never had this nut work.  :rolleyes  ;)

Last one I had didn't fit any socket size at all, and had to use a chain wrench that I luckily already had tucked away.
Title: Re: Oil and filter change
Post by: Frosties on 13 April 2016, 11:16:38 pm
Always removed my oil filters with a marigold glove after wiping first - no issues!


As for the oil - irrespective of 10w/40, 10w30 etc the basics comes down to the fact that bike oil is designed with crushing qualities that allow for 8k oil changes after being crushed by gears, cogs etc. Car oil is essentially ok, as used by others, but the crushing qualities of the oil only last about 3k miles before it needs changing.


Me, I use semi synthetic bike oil because I can't be asked to change the oil every 3k miles if I use car oil.
Title: Re: Oil and filter change
Post by: tommyardin on 13 April 2016, 11:34:20 pm
Always removed my oil filters with a marigold glove after wiping first because my arms are like the Incredible Hulk.  :rolleyes :2fingers


As for the oil - irrespective of 10w/40, 10w30 etc the basics comes down to the fact that bike oil is designed with crushing qualities that allow for 8k oil changes after being crushed by gears, cogs etc. Car oil is essentially ok, as used by others, but the crushing qualities of the oil only last about 3k miles before it needs changing.


Me, I use semi synthetic bike oil because I can't be asked to change the oil every 3k miles if I use car oil.
Title: Re: Oil and filter change
Post by: Frosties on 13 April 2016, 11:46:01 pm
Always removed my oil filters with a marigold glove after wiping first because my arms are like the Incredible Hulk.  :rolleyes :2fingers


As for the oil - irrespective of 10w/40, 10w30 etc the basics comes down to the fact that bike oil is designed with crushing qualities that allow for 8k oil changes after being crushed by gears, cogs etc. Car oil is essentially ok, as used by others, but the crushing qualities of the oil only last about 3k miles before it needs changing.


Me, I use semi synthetic bike oil because I can't be asked to change the oil every 3k miles if I use car oil.


 :lol :lol  Only 'cos I wank a lot Tommy  :'(
Title: Re: Oil and filter change
Post by: tommyardin on 14 April 2016, 10:34:15 am
Always removed my oil filters with a marigold glove after wiping first because my arms are like the Incredible Hulk.  :rolleyes :2fingers


As for the oil - irrespective of 10w/40, 10w30 etc the basics comes down to the fact that bike oil is designed with crushing qualities that allow for 8k oil changes after being crushed by gears, cogs etc. Car oil is essentially ok, as used by others, but the crushing qualities of the oil only last about 3k miles before it needs changing.


Me, I use semi synthetic bike oil because I can't be asked to change the oil every 3k miles if I use car oil.


 :lol :lol  Only 'cos I wank a lot Tommy  :'(


And your point is? I still have to use the big filter sockety thing. I obviously need to up my game, although I not sure there are enough hours in the day to increase my game.  :rolleyes :b