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Title: steam powered boxeye ?
Post by: red98 on 05 July 2020, 06:14:27 pm
my trusty 98 600 boxeye has developed a problem...it sounds as if its steam powered,its had a bit of a whining gearbox since i bought it approx 18 years ago,today i fitted new chain and sprockets and this has highlighted the sound,pulling away and changing up through the box it sounds like a steam engine until wind noise drowns it out,chain is properly adjusted, with the sprockets inline and with the correct amount of slack. (30-40mm )...looking back through the service history before i owned it, it mentions the chain was way too tight so i thinking ive got a bit of play in the output shaft bearing maybe caused by the tight chain all those years ago...new front sprocket (jt) was a very snug fit and i think i would have noticed any play but i think my first  job will be to remove the sprocket cover, remove the chain and check for any play....your thoughts please foccers
Title: Re: steam powered boxeye ?
Post by: BBROWN1664 on 05 July 2020, 07:16:45 pm
was riding my dads 03 fzs600 this morning and that seemed to have a speed related whine. I put it down to the lack of grease on the chain as that seemed very dry.
Title: Re: steam powered boxeye ?
Post by: bazza on 06 July 2020, 08:41:43 am
speedo drive on front wheel can whine a bit if in need of grease
Title: Re: steam powered boxeye ?
Post by: BBROWN1664 on 06 July 2020, 09:04:49 am
:agree

I do need to finish giving his bike a good service/once over. He is terrible at doing even the basics like pumping up the tyres. I rode it down the road on Saturday and after 2-300m turned around and came home as the handling was terrifying. Quick check with the pressure gauge told me why. 15psi in the front and 25030 in the rear :eek Pumped them up and was all good to go.

Jobs I did do before riding it though, adjusted the gear lever position so I could change gear without lifting my foot off the peg, adjusted the chain to reduce the slack from 50mm to about 30mm (lovely gear change now rather than the clunk it had before), adjusted the clutch cable at the bottom end so that the top end was not floating in the breeze with not even a single thread in the lever perch :eek

Next jobs, once I can get the bike back off him again will be to give it a service, bleed the brakes (rear has far too much travel and front just don't bite that well) and generally finish giving it a good going over.

For an 03 plate with 22k miles on the clock, its not that bad really. Certainly nothing a few hours in the garage wouldn't solve.
Title: Re: steam powered boxeye ?
Post by: darrsi on 06 July 2020, 09:18:32 am
Could it not be as simple as the new chain rubbing on the plastic chain guide?
Title: Re: steam powered boxeye ?
Post by: red98 on 06 July 2020, 09:30:28 am
off for the next 4 weeks on furlough but had to pop into work this morning to make sure everyone knows what they should be doing as they have been off for the last 4 weeks,took the 600 and had a good listen .....iam now sure its the chain ,although i took my time when fitting yesterday and made sure everything was spot on there must be something not quite right...going to take a look at a small oil leak on the thou today but if all go`s well should have time to re-visit the 600...


BAZZA...had the speedo drive off a few weeks ago and gave it a good greasing but worth checking again  :thumbup


BBROWN...chain is well lubed and runs smooth bit i will wipe clean and check all links and re-lube  :thumbup




DARRSI...yes been thinking the same this morning, when fitting the new chain i removed the guide and de-greased it, its very worn ( never been changed bike on 50k ) lower edge was falling apart so i trimmed it square smeared it with lube and re-fitted, will check prices and if not too expensive will treat it to a new one   :thumbup
Title: Re: steam powered boxeye ?
Post by: red98 on 06 July 2020, 09:45:07 am
chain guide at WEMOTO.....................£60     :eek :eek :eek :eek


i`ll take it off,stick a flat piece of plastic on and see what difference it makes...

Title: Re: steam powered boxeye ?
Post by: Gnasher on 06 July 2020, 11:52:11 am
They like around 45mm but that's max slack with a new chain and that's pulling/pushing on the chain and forget using the marks on the swingarm, measure from the centre of the wheel spindle to the edge of the swingarm where the drive chain puller plate interfaces with the swingarm.  They're also very sensitive to sprocket/wheel alignment, I'd also check the front sprocket lay shaft bearing and the rear wheel hub bearing and possibly the rear wheel bearings.

If you still can't get it correct check the swingarm bearings.       
Title: Re: steam powered boxeye ?
Post by: red98 on 06 July 2020, 12:08:04 pm
cheers GNASHER, got about 37mm at the moment, all good things to check which i will but trying to sort a oil leak on the thou at the moment,only a weep but its dripping on the exhaust collector box, coming from the seal around the water pump pipe behind the front sprocket,all being well i`ll be back on the 600 later today/ tomorrow morning...thanks for all your replies foccers  :thumbup
Title: Re: steam powered boxeye ?
Post by: red98 on 08 July 2020, 04:57:11 pm
update....posted my last post in the wrong thread  :o ...stripped the 600 down again checking everything as i go,everything fine except the front sprocket,turns too easily,rumbles and has a little sideways movement, a focu golden star goes to GNASHER for his prediction of "lay shaft bearing"...
which i think is an engine casing split job  :\ ...although iam on furlough for 4 weeks ive got loads on at the moment so ive bolted it back together and put the cover on...


new bearing is £105 + gaskets etc ...been thinking of other options and have found another engine going stupid cheap,so was thinking of swapping to keep the bike running and rebuilding the engine when i have the time..with my thou playing up that leaves me bikeless......dont like that  :'(
Title: Re: steam powered boxeye ?
Post by: Gnasher on 08 July 2020, 05:16:45 pm
Mate I was afraid it would turn out to be the lay shaft bearing :( over tight chain is the main cause of these failing. 

Yep cases need splitting and don't forget about the circlip, these often wear too, hopefully the circlip rebates not and it's a good idea to change the oil seal too.   
Title: Re: steam powered boxeye ?
Post by: red98 on 08 July 2020, 06:05:05 pm
yes...bad news for the boxeye, i`ll see if i can find the service record out and post the comment, its had a small whine since i bought it but thought it normal (my first fazer), 9000 miles when bought, now just short of 50000, the clues were there  ;) ...still a great bike and a keeper, yes i have to spend a few quid and fair bit of time but worth it in the end...
Title: Re: steam powered boxeye ?
Post by: red98 on 08 July 2020, 06:19:39 pm

yes...bad news for the boxeye, i`ll see if i can find the service record out and post the comment, its had a small whine since i bought it but thought it normal (my first fazer), 9000 miles when bought, now just short of 50000, the clues were there  ;)  ...still a great bike and a keeper, yes i have to spend a few quid and fair bit of time but worth it in the end...











parts about £120 + gaskets,oil etc....not too bad.
Title: Re: steam powered boxeye ?
Post by: red98 on 13 July 2020, 01:00:15 pm
after yesterdays failed attempt to get to Cornwall i was not going to waste the rest of the day, went to see a complete engine that was for sale on ebay.....
came from a cat B write-off seller had pictures and it did not look too bad, mileage 44,000, with service history,engine out of the bike so cant hear it running,has compression,gears select,no broken studs and no play in the lay shaft bearing  :thumbup ...looks a little scruffy as has see a few winters , £200 including carbs and coils...


the plan is to fit the engine to keep the bike on the road and rebuild the original when i get time...will try and start the new engine before fitting to make sure its OK...
Title: Re: steam powered boxeye ?
Post by: Trebus on 13 July 2020, 01:11:02 pm
Sounds like a good deal to me.
Title: Re: steam powered boxeye ?
Post by: red98 on 13 July 2020, 01:26:46 pm
hi TREBUS......a bit of a gamble buying an engine you cant hear running, it was local and the seller was a nice bloke, if it turns out bad i could sell the carbs,coils,starter motor, generator etc and get a fair bit of my money back, if its a goodun i`ll run it till i get mine sorted and sell it while its still in the bike so people can hear it running...
Title: Re: steam powered boxeye ?
Post by: red98 on 16 July 2020, 06:08:54 pm
whilst i wait for a gasket for the mighty thou i thought i would take a look at the replacement engine for the 600,wired the starter motor up to a battery and it turns over well with good compression, going to sit the new engine on the floor next to the bike, extend all wiring from bike to new engine and use the bikes ecu etc  to start the replacement engine, sounds good  ;) ...got an old wiring loom in the shed,stripped it and took coil and tps wiring and fitted to new engine,generator wiring was different so loom must be from a 2000> bike, will fit gen from bike to new engine,wiring looks long enough without having to extend it,got a remote fuel tank and a spare battery which i will connect with jump leads,probably will need a earth lead linking both engines...
not my favourite subject wiring/sparks but i`ll give it a go...and who knows i might learn something  :lol
   
Title: Re: steam powered boxeye ?
Post by: fazersharp on 16 July 2020, 06:34:05 pm
 :lol
Title: Re: steam powered boxeye ?
Post by: Gnasher on 16 July 2020, 06:37:27 pm
Don't for get to secure it, in a wood frame knocked up out a a pallet works well and the cooling system, if you want to run it for more than a few mins.    ;) :)
Title: Re: steam powered boxeye ?
Post by: Trebus on 16 July 2020, 07:40:25 pm
Probably worth checking valve clearances while the engine is on the bench. Good luck and hope you’re up and running again soon
Title: Re: steam powered boxeye ?
Post by: red98 on 16 July 2020, 07:44:21 pm
hi GNASHER...yes,was going to make a wooden frame as i also have some spare downpipes and a standard can, be nice and quiet so i can hear the inner workings and also wont annoy the neighbours  ;) ...only be a short run so i wont bother with rad/coolant, just want to make sure its a goodun before i swap...




FAZERSHARP...think you have hit the nail on the head there  :lol :lol


TREBUS...good thinking  :thumbup ...if alls good it will get a good clean and possibly a paint before it goes in...


All being well the mighty thou should be running on Saturday, iam itching to get out so it will slow progress on the boxeye ...
Title: Re: steam powered boxeye ?
Post by: red98 on 21 July 2020, 12:17:44 pm
" hows she doing DOC, is she going to live" ?...............................         
Title: Re: steam powered boxeye ?
Post by: red98 on 21 July 2020, 07:08:47 pm
yesssssss...she lives  :) .....took a bit of churning over but it runs, using the carbs and coils that came with the engine, sticky float valves on two cylinders and one seized drain screw.


 two float valves,seats and a good float bowl from my spares pile got her running smoothly with just a prod of the starter, my spare down pipes are blowing and i dont have a gasket between the down pipes and can, add to that the induction roar as i dont have a spare air box i cant hear the engine  :lol


might repair the down pipes and make a new gasket but the air box is going to be tricky  ...


anyway, happy its a runner and i have not wasted my money  :)
Title: Re: steam powered boxeye ?
Post by: Trebus on 21 July 2020, 08:18:08 pm
Nice one, good outcome 👍🏻
Title: Re: steam powered boxeye ?
Post by: Gnasher on 21 July 2020, 08:32:50 pm
Nice one  :)  Do a compression check and while it's out of the bike check the cam clearances, much easier to do while it's out of the bike, mate ;)
Title: Re: steam powered boxeye ?
Post by: red98 on 21 July 2020, 09:04:06 pm
cheers foccers  :thumbup .....compression test next job  ;) ,then sort the exhaust out so i can hear the engine,if all good ...valves,de-grease,paint,proper carb clean,oil,filter,plugs and anything else you lot can think of  :lol


on "grumpy grampy" duties tomorrow as its my grand daughters birthday, so no fazer fettling, will do a compression test on Thursday and post results...
Title: Re: steam powered boxeye ?
Post by: red98 on 23 July 2020, 10:48:21 am
compression test this morning....


1.......150   psi
2.......135   psi
3.......135   psi
4.......137   psi




haynes manual quotes min-170 max-225 psi... so i`am way off that, no1 higher than the others but i think within 10%  ish is ok....looking back at my "stuttering" thread after i reground the valves i was getting ave 135 psi, bores perfect and runs perfect,even allowing for a bit of wear (49000 miles on original
 engine) iam still short of haynes figures.......thinking 135 is good and perhaps the haynes figures are a little high....


using the screwdrive trick i can hear one noisy valve...so thats the next job...
Title: Re: steam powered boxeye ?
Post by: Gnasher on 23 July 2020, 11:56:25 am
Depending how/where the engine has been stored and for long, it's possible the compression ring/s have sized in the piston groves.  135 is low but the fact they're all pretty much the same it's a very good chance it the above mentioned. 

To sort this you've got 3 options, 1 just run the engine and fingers crossed they'll free themselves, 2 add some diesel/paraffin let it soak for a day or two then run the engine, 3 strip it, while you're in there lap the valves.     
Title: Re: steam powered boxeye ?
Post by: red98 on 23 July 2020, 01:09:54 pm
morning GNASHER...thinking the same on the rings  :thumbup ...bikes been stored for 2 ish years in a garden shed,first job i did when i got it home was to squirt some derv/paraffin down the bores and turned it over on the crank a couple of times then left it, think i need to source a radiator and run it up to temp and leave it running for a while. lapping the valves is another great suggestion but i dont really want to spend too much on this engine , i`ll do a valve check, oil/filter and new plugs, plumb in a rad and run it and then do another compression test...if all`s good and i see some improvement i`ll do the swap, could be in there some time while i sort the original engine,if it performs well i`ll lap the valves when i`ve swapped back and sell it on...


going back to my "stuttering thread" a while after lapping the valves and doing a compression test (135 psi ) i had it on the dyno, 1 or 2 bhp down on claimed power when new...makes me question Haynes figures...
Title: Re: steam powered boxeye ?
Post by: Gnasher on 23 July 2020, 01:34:40 pm
If you only got that small drop in power at 135, and these readings are also mostly 135.  I'd say that's pointing towards your gauge or how you're doing it or both, when was the last time if ever was the gauge calibrated?
Title: Re: steam powered boxeye ?
Post by: limax2 on 23 July 2020, 01:39:25 pm

going back to my "stuttering thread" a while after lapping the valves and doing a compression test (135 psi ) i had it on the dyno, 1 or 2 bhp down on claimed power when new...makes me question Haynes figures...
Just a thought of mine. If you are using a screw in tester with an adapter between the compression tester (where the non-return valve is) and the plug hole, then the extra volume of air space in the adapter effectively lowers the compression ratio and thus the gauge shows a lower reading. I can't remember how much it was with the adapter I was using but it was significant.
If you felt so inclined you could do the calculation using Boyle's Law of P1 x V1 = P2 x V2 to see the theoretical difference between with and without the adapter.  Unusually for me I didn't record the figures when I did the test but I remember the calculation put my mind at rest.
Title: Re: steam powered boxeye ?
Post by: red98 on 23 July 2020, 01:50:26 pm
yes its a screw in tester with an adapter, never had it calibrated so can only use it as a guide, could try it on the thou or cage and see how the figures compare....good points from both of you ,thanks for your repiy`s / input    :thumbup
Title: Re: steam powered boxeye ?
Post by: red98 on 25 July 2020, 01:13:10 pm
mmmmm...not got round to testing my compression tester yet,a good point from GNASHER about it being correct, got a leak on the cage`s rocker cover so whilst i`am sorting that i will try the tester and compare figures...


what i have done this morning is check the valve clearances on the replacement engine....




valve clearances when cold.........intake   0.11-0.20     exhaust   0.21-0.30




               inlet            exhaust


1             0.15              0.25
               0.15              0.25
2             0.14              0.25
               0.15              0.25
3             0.11              0.25
               0.11              0.25
4             0.15              0.21
               0.15              0.16




3 border line, 1 out of spec....i`ll do no 4 exhaust and leave the others, all i need to do is find my spare shims ...



no horrors when i lifted the valve cover, all nice and clean and no sign of wear on the cam lobes  :thumbup
Title: Re: steam powered boxeye ?
Post by: red98 on 27 July 2020, 10:51:36 am
lifted the exhaust cam out this morning, ive got 2 x 1.72 mm shims on no 4 cylinder,wemoto  sell in  shims in 0.05 incrrements so if i fit a 1.65 and 1.70 that should give me a clearance of 0.23 on both valves,found my shims but not the right sizes...


shopping list


2 x valve shims
4 x spark plugs
oil filter
oil


then i think i`ll paint the block and head to tidy things up a bit...
Title: Re: steam powered boxeye ?
Post by: robbo on 27 July 2020, 11:24:22 am
Good job :thumbup . Soooooooooo much easier, with the engine out of the bike. Almost looks like a pleasant job. I did say almost :lol .
Title: Re: steam powered boxeye ?
Post by: Gnasher on 27 July 2020, 11:33:31 am
Good job :thumbup . Soooooooooo much easier, with the engine out of the bike. Almost looks like a pleasant job. I did say almost :lol .


On some bikes, it's actually easier and faster to remove the engine rather than work around the bike in the frame  ;) :)
Title: Re: steam powered boxeye ?
Post by: red98 on 27 July 2020, 11:37:51 am
yes ,very easy to see what your doing, after laying on the floor for far too long sorting out the thou`s water/oil pump i`am happy to sit down in comfort and tinker away... :thumbup
Title: Re: steam powered boxeye ?
Post by: red98 on 27 July 2020, 11:48:49 am
thinking way ahead now...removing the engine without struggling,the last fazer engine i removed was from a bike i was breaking,left the engine till last,put what was left of the bike on it side removed the engine mounting bolts and lifted the frame off...that was easy but cant do that this time so was thinking of a lifting beam attached to a trolley jack..bit like a small , one forked forklift, will need support on the other end but i do have a winch on a large frame in the garage which i lift car engines out with....just a crazy idea but working on my own i got to make things easy...i can just about lift the engine on its own but wont be able to lift it out of the frame...
Title: Re: steam powered boxeye ?
Post by: HarryHornby on 28 July 2020, 06:42:29 am
Blimey, Paul, just catching up on this thread!  Your mechanical ability and patience blows me away! Good luck with the rebuild.  Gonna have to drop mine round to you one day for some mechanical love  :rollin


Will watch this thread with interest.
Title: Re: steam powered boxeye ?
Post by: red98 on 28 July 2020, 09:17:28 am
HARRY.....good to see you posting, still got your FAZER ?


thanks for the kind comments and it pleases me that you find my ramblings interesting, its threads like this that i find helpful,informative,entertaining,amusing and interesting...


thats not why i post this though,its helpful to me as i can go back and read my own posts and see where i have got to...my memory is foccin terrible     :\   :lol




now, where did i get too........
Title: Re: steam powered boxeye ?
Post by: Gnasher on 28 July 2020, 09:27:12 am
Mate getting the engine out on you're own is really not an option without major mucking about, possible damage, a lot of effort to say nothing of a lost finger or two  :eek , unless you got a engine hoist?  Use the hoist to lift/swing the engine out of the frame and then up onto a bench, even with a hoist it's a faff on your own without a the right hoist.  The easiest way without a hoist is get someone to help lift the engine up and out  ;) 
Title: Re: steam powered boxeye ?
Post by: red98 on 28 July 2020, 09:47:38 am
morning GNASHER....yep,know what you mean mate...ive got a wire ratchet hoist and a large A frame that runs the width of the garage,with that and the trolley jack with a home made beam that will slide in where the carbs are close to the cylinder block/gearbox and strapped close to the engine so there is no/little slack, i`am hoping that will do the job...will mock something up and post a picture, will try lifting the replacement engine first to see if it works and to get the angle of lift correct...


also got one of those bike movers,like a skate board that the centre stand fits on so you can push the bike sideways...jack the engine up,push bike sideways,lower engine to floor...easy to type that  :lol
Title: Re: steam powered boxeye ?
Post by: red98 on 28 July 2020, 10:07:53 am
just ordered a load of bits...


2 valve shims
4 spark plugs
oil filter
rotary wire brushes
simoniz satin black tough engine paint


will buy the oil locally...


still not checked the compression tester and i need to work out how iam going to remove the engine without damaging anything,oh,and find a cheap rad so i can run the engine up to temp after i have  swapped the shims...
 today however iam going to check the thou over as all being well i will be out tomorrow for the first real ride this year  :thumbup
Title: Re: steam powered boxeye ?
Post by: Gnasher on 28 July 2020, 10:34:39 am
Run extension hoses from the bikes rad or go for waste water i.e. header tank constant fill and let the water flow out, bit like running up an outboard engine.  The compression gauge, try a local bus garage or lorry shop they have compressed air testers for air brakes and they can usually test gauges.   
Title: Re: steam powered boxeye ?
Post by: red98 on 28 July 2020, 11:18:03 am
yeh,dont really want to buy a rad..waste water would be easiest ...good tip about the compression gauge   :thumbup
Title: Re: steam powered boxeye ?
Post by: red98 on 28 July 2020, 11:21:43 am
foc....another ebayer who does not have stock of advertised items  :wall
Title: Re: steam powered boxeye ?
Post by: HarryHornby on 28 July 2020, 07:12:13 pm
HARRY.....good to see you posting, still got your FAZER ?


thanks for the kind comments and it pleases me that you find my ramblings interesting, its threads like this that i find helpful,informative,entertaining,amusing and interesting...


thats not why i post this though,its helpful to me as i can go back and read my own posts and see where i have got to...my memory is foccin terrible     :\   :lol




now, where did i get too........


Yep, still got my Fazer, even if I could afford another bike, I really don't want another bike.  Still love my fazer.  She needs a replacement hugger at the mo, the old one has broken at the fixing points.  Still keep looking out for a better/bargain rear shock.


We must have a LOFO meet this year, even if just for a bacon butty and a cuppa somewhere.
Title: Re: steam powered boxeye ?
Post by: red98 on 28 July 2020, 07:56:36 pm
yep........need to wake up the "bunch from kent"    :lol
Title: Re: steam powered boxeye ?
Post by: red98 on 28 July 2020, 07:57:29 pm
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...
Title: Re: steam powered boxeye ?
Post by: dazza on 28 July 2020, 09:02:42 pm
yep........need to wake up the "bunch from kent"    :lol


 :z :z :z
Loomies
 :z :z :z
Title: Re: steam powered boxeye ?
Post by: robbo on 29 July 2020, 08:40:28 am
yep........need to wake up the "bunch from kent"    :lol


 :z :z :z
Loomies
 :z :z :z 
Will be going past there this afternoon, and again on the way back this evening when the 272’s empty. :thumbup :thumbup :evil :evil :thumbup :thumbup
Title: Re: steam powered boxeye ?
Post by: red98 on 02 August 2020, 10:15:41 am
bit more tinkering with the trolley jack this morning...needs a bit more height but might work. iam not totally convinced yet though....
Title: Re: steam powered boxeye ?
Post by: robbo on 02 August 2020, 07:55:11 pm
If I haven’t got something on whenever you decide to do the swap, I’ll whizz over and give you a hand. No point in struggling if you don’t have to.
Title: Re: steam powered boxeye ?
Post by: red98 on 03 August 2020, 06:47:59 am
thats a kind offer ROBBO, thank you  :thumbup ....got a few bits now, shims,paint,plugs,gaskets and oil, next job will be fitting the 2 shims and re checking the valve clearances,then a de-grease and paint...


back at work today after a total of 10 weeks on furlough, not sure how things are going to go now but progress on the boxeye is going to slow...
Title: Re: steam powered boxeye ?
Post by: b1k3rdude on 03 August 2020, 12:08:52 pm
a bit more tinkering with the trolley jack this morning...needs a bit more height but might work. i am not totally convinced yet though....
thats a cool looking jig you made, got any better quality pics of it..?
Title: Re: steam powered boxeye ?
Post by: fazersharp on 07 August 2020, 08:58:11 am
 :rollin
Title: Re: steam powered boxeye ?
Post by: b1k3rdude on 07 August 2020, 09:33:39 am
I was refering to the white  section to attached to the top of the jack. Whats it made from so that it held the weight of the engine.
Title: Re: steam powered boxeye ?
Post by: red98 on 07 August 2020, 06:02:29 pm
mmmmm....very good SHARPIE   :rolleyes            :lol






hi DUDE...sorry for the slow reply, back at work now after 10 weeks on furlough, been a long week and no garage time   :'(




the white beam is box section steel of about 2mm wall thickness, i`ve  cut some soft wood which is a snug fit and knocked it into the ends of the tube where they are stacked up in an attempt to stop the box section buckling/bending and bolted the whole lot together with some 12mm studding, height is not quite right but when it is i will weld the lot together,when its lifting the engine is within the foot print of the jack which is VERY heavy and no signs of tipping, i will also weld on a plate on the ends for extra strength and also to help hold the parts together...in the pictures you can see the engines not quite at the right angle so i need to find another way of strapping it to the beam, clicky straps might work but i dont have a lot room...will post some piccies when its finished...
Title: Re: steam powered boxeye ?
Post by: red98 on 02 September 2020, 03:36:00 pm
more furlough,more time in the garage.....


got the two shims fitted and all clearances are now within spec  :thumbup ....degreased the engine then used a small rotary wire brush in the drill to remove loose paint and key the surface. removed all engine covers and masked where needed,just needs a wipe down with panel wipe and i can get it painted...
Title: Re: steam powered boxeye ?
Post by: red98 on 03 September 2020, 11:43:49 am
paint went on well this morning, good coverage etc...should of gone for satin not matt though  :o ...i`ll use that as a base coat and order some satin  :thumbup
Title: Re: steam powered boxeye ?
Post by: red98 on 03 September 2020, 11:51:55 am
oooooop`s....missed a bit there between the fins... :lol
Title: Re: steam powered boxeye ?
Post by: robbo on 03 September 2020, 12:05:54 pm
Lookin' good Mr.Red. Have to agree, satin will look the business. :thumbup
Title: Re: steam powered boxeye ?
Post by: red98 on 03 September 2020, 12:20:33 pm
cheers MR ROBBO....yes,satin is what it needs,had a look on ebay and it appears they only do matt or gloss  :\ ...i`ll give it a couple of days to dry and see what it looks like, iam happy with the lower casings in matt but the cylinder and head just dont look right, looking at my boxeye it looks satin on the block and gloss on the covers which is what i was going to do....probably end up doing the whole lot in gloss, might make the front of the engine easier to clean...
Title: Re: steam powered boxeye ?
Post by: red98 on 06 September 2020, 07:48:38 pm
a bit more tinkering on the "engine lifting beam mk1"...added a bit more height to it and spot welded all round, will seam weld when i have a new mask, bloody thing packed up half way through the job  :grumble
Title: Re: steam powered boxeye ?
Post by: red98 on 08 September 2020, 09:52:45 am
mmmmmm...matt paint is now fully dry but i`am not happy with it  :\ ......far too matt  :rolleyes  and rough to the touch so will attract all the crap from the front wheel and be a pain to clean, so i nave bought the same paint in gloss and re-painted it...bit too glossy now  :rolleyes .


see what its like when its dry,which looking at it now will take a few days...
Title: Re: steam powered boxeye ?
Post by: robbo on 08 September 2020, 01:11:04 pm
Happy Birthday for yesterday Mr.Red.
Title: Re: steam powered boxeye ?
Post by: red98 on 09 September 2020, 08:16:02 am
cheers mr ROBBO...another year older  :rolleyes .
Title: Re: steam powered boxeye ?
Post by: red98 on 05 April 2021, 09:19:13 pm
apologies for not updating this post, i have been a carer for my elderly dementia suffering mother for the last 4 years and last august her condition reached a point where i could no longer help. tough times but to cut a long story short mums now in a home getting the care she deserves and my life is nearly back to normal ...sometimes things are more important than fazers and you have to do what you can to help...


not touched the fazers for something like 6 months so over the last few weeks with the help of a few weeks on Furlough i have managed to do the engine swap, the lifting arm worked really well and made the job easy single handed, bikes all up and running and passed its MOT on Saturday with no advisories,
just needs taxing and test ride to make sure everything is working as it should and then its time to do some proper miles  :)
Title: Re: steam powered boxeye ?
Post by: mtread on 05 April 2021, 11:07:30 pm
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apologies for not updating this post, i have been a carer for my elderly dementia suffering mother for the last 4 years and last august her condition reached a point where i could no longer help. tough times but to cut a long story short mums now in a home getting the care she deserves and my life is nearly back to normal ...sometimes things are more important than fazers and you have to do what you can to help...
Been there, done that. I'm sure you've made the right decision. 24/7 care. First time I visited my mum in the home, she'd had a blue rinse from the visiting hairdresser  :)
Be good to see you back on the bike.
Title: Re: steam powered boxeye ?
Post by: red98 on 06 April 2021, 06:51:11 am
HI Mtread, yes she is in the right place, the decision was made harder because 7/8 years ago i promised her that i would never put her in a home. so i had to break my promise but mum did get an extra 4 years living in her own home...


looking forward to getting back on the bike, the MOT run on Saturday was only about 2.5 miles. i planned a longer ride yesterday but the weather put a stop to that, will tax it tonight and perhaps sneak out one evening this week  ;) ...be good to meet up again, think the last time we met was the "David Silver run " a great day...that was 29 september 2018  :eek ...bloody virus....
Title: Re: steam powered boxeye ?
Post by: Gnasher on 06 April 2021, 08:49:14 am
Mate sorry to hear about your mother, I went through some of that with a close relative many years ago.  I was always the person they called when in the confused state, slowly but surely it reached a point where I couldn't reach them any longer and a home was the only option.  Utterly sole destroying. :(


Glad you got the bike all sorted and back on the road.  :) 
Title: Re: steam powered boxeye ?
Post by: Dave48 on 06 April 2021, 09:16:21 am
Enjoyed reading the whole story from beginning through your discoveries,trials and tribulations of furlough &  lockdown. Also the really difficult decision you had to make regarding your Mum.
Now get out and reap the rewards of your hard work knowing  you have done a proper job.
I retaxed the Tracer from 1st April but didn't ridetil thenextdayas weather here was very cold wind on the 1st. Did a short 12 miles then followed up Saturday when wife & I  did 55milesaround Worcestershire countryside in Spring sunshine. Sogood for our mental well being & reminderwhywe all ride!
Title: Re: steam powered boxeye ?
Post by: robbo on 06 April 2021, 09:36:07 am
Hi Mr.Red. So sorry to hear that you had to make the decision you didn’t want to have to make. That must have been tough.


On a lighter note. Glad you’ve got the Fazer sorted, and that your invention did the business :thumbup [size=78%]. Hopefully see you out for a ride soon. I may even have the mighty thou back on the road, when the powder coaters have finished messing me about.[/size]
Title: Re: steam powered boxeye ?
Post by: mtread on 06 April 2021, 10:11:22 am
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..be good to meet up again, think the last time we met was the "David Silver run " a great day...that was 29 september 2018  ...bloody virus....

Indeed. The famous 'Red Arrows' lofo ride, where we all flew off in different directions,, but ended up at the same destination
 :lol
Be good to ride together.
Title: Re: steam powered boxeye ?
Post by: red98 on 06 April 2021, 06:39:06 pm
cheers everyone for the kind comments  :thumbup ... there`s something special about this forum , i could of just picked up the story of my fazer and not mentioned the reason for the long delay in getting the job finished, but it felt rude not to explain, i have been on here a long time and have had loads of help when needed ,  met a few of you and had some great days out...so a big  :thumbup  to FOCU...


was planning on a proper test ride tonight but it started snowing on the way home so gave that idea up, got a few piccies of the lifting arm in action but phone playing up and cant post them, will try later...


Mtread..."red arrows"       :lol    [size=78%] classic LOFO ride out, nearly as good as the first SAMMY MILLAR can you believe that was 2014, great day when we got there the following year [/size] :thumbup
Title: Re: steam powered boxeye ?
Post by: red98 on 10 April 2021, 02:54:15 pm
not managed a test ride yet as weather not been too good this week, looks brighter tomorrow so fingers crossed i`ll be able to get out on at least a 50 mile run. will check fluid levels and tyre pressures this evening in readyness...
Title: Re: steam powered boxeye ?
Post by: robbo on 10 April 2021, 07:42:37 pm
Ride safe Mr. Red :thumbup
Title: Re: steam powered boxeye ?
Post by: red98 on 11 April 2021, 01:27:51 pm
Cheers Mr Robbo...yes indeed "ride safe" not been on any bike since last September so taking it easy this morning, had a couple of laps of my home town, stopped to check levels,nuts,bolts etc and then went a bit further and clocked 49.4 miles by the time i got home. bike ran well,no knocks rattles or smoke,gears change REALLY smoothly and engine pulls cleanly right through the rev range, the only negative i noticed was a slight lumpy tick over which iam sure will be solved with a carb balance and TPS check. happy with this mornings test ride which included some of my favourite local roads including the A4155 Marlow to Henley on Thames , a nice twisty A road that follows the course of the Thames always puts a smile on my face, the Fazer easily passing traffic when needed, A 9 mile stretch of road that`s easy to achieve a 60 mph average.


good to get the 600 back on the road and running as good as it ever has...great bikes these 600`s and a keeper  :thumbup


Next ride weather permitting will be Thursday as i have the day off. forecast looks good so thinking of a run down to Portsdown, looking forward to that but this afternoon will be spent checking the Fazer over, every nut and bolt i disturbed during the engine swap will be checked, better to be safe than sorry  ;)
Title: Re: steam powered boxeye ?
Post by: robbo on 11 April 2021, 04:05:55 pm
Lookin’ good Mr.Red. You must be really pleased with the finished product after all your efforts. Glad the shake down run went ok :thumbup
Title: Re: steam powered boxeye ?
Post by: Dave48 on 11 April 2021, 05:33:44 pm
Its great to get out again and rediscover what we first found out all those years ago: 2 wheels move the soul! Enjoy
Title: Re: steam powered boxeye ?
Post by: red98 on 11 April 2021, 07:59:48 pm
hi Dave, could not agree more, a very good ride today that put a smile back on my face, a bit chilly and certainly too cold for the summer gloves i had on  :rolleyes  ...


checked over this afternoon and all looks good with exception to the header tank, the new anti freeze is looking a bit murky, think  i`ll flush the system and re-fill, not sure how long the engine was standing before i bought it but the shed it was in was a bit of a mess. if that`s  the only niggle i think i got myself a bargain for £200  :)
Title: Re: steam powered boxeye ?
Post by: Dave48 on 12 April 2021, 07:22:42 am
Glad you enjoyed the test ride of "new" engine. Summer gloves! You're brave. It was 2 degreesC here yesterday am coupled with odd sleet showers.
Yes from the sound of it I would thoroughly flush out the cooling system and add some nice "Pink" OAT coolant to colour match the bike!......Sorry I know its Red really! :lol
Title: Re: steam powered boxeye ?
Post by: red98 on 13 April 2021, 07:04:11 am
 :lol yeh, very bloody funny :lol ...i use the oat coolant from Halfords as it seams to be a good buy at the moment, not pink though but a very light red  ;)


does look a bit pinkish in the piccie, first time i have used the camera on my new phone, not that impressed with it tbh the bike has not lost any of its red-ness being garaged all its life...weather was a bit funny that day and pehaps the light was not too good...if i`am out on Thursday i will try agian...
Title: Re: steam powered boxeye ?
Post by: Dave48 on 13 April 2021, 07:35:17 am
Was only joking! Bike looks "proper" RED in your photo. Both my favourite Fazers were RED(well known by the cognoscenti to be the best!). Rhondda Red the Foxeye 600 & Big Red the mighty thou. Enjoy the Redness. Dont tell anyone but my current bike the Tracer is b**e! :lol
Title: Re: steam powered boxeye ?
Post by: red98 on 06 June 2021, 08:15:31 am
Had to replace the clutch yesterday,slipping at higher revs, under load up hill, swapped it with the one from the original engine, i`ll put a new one in that one when i re-build it...Up to about 700 miles on the new engine now, no other problems. out today with a few mates up to Towcester for a late breakfast at the super sausage
Title: Re: steam powered boxeye ?
Post by: red98 on 07 June 2021, 06:45:25 pm
good ride and breakfast yesterday, another 150 miles clocked up and no slipping clutch...fully tested  ;)