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Any recommendations for decent PCs (NOT Cyberpower)
« on: 13 September 2012, 06:34:43 pm »
I bought a Cyberpower PC in December 2008, finally replacing my ageing 550Mhz, 768Mb monstrosity. The PC has given me no end of problems and has now died. I do not expect this from a PC which cost over £1500.

Dec 2008 Got PC (two internal drives)
June 2010 First hard drive (boot) died, replaced
Oct 2011 Second hard drive died, replaced
Dec 2012 Graphics card died, replaced
Feb 2012 Power supply died, replaced
March 2012 Replacement drive (boot) from June 2010 died, replaced
September 2012 Replacement drive (boot) from March 2012 died

Got some PC engineers to look at it. Reported today that the motherboard is F*cked. They have never seen anything like it. It is drawing all sorts of different voltages. They reckon it's been dodgy right from the start.

So replace it, or replace components. It's a Coolermaster case, i7 920 Asus P6T Deluxe, 6GB RAM. The replacement graphics card Radeon HD6850 doesn't work with Windows 7 (used to be Vista).

Not sure it's cheaper to get new motherboard and CPU and pay to have fitted, when I also need new hard drives, another graphics card.

Sigh


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Re: Any recommendations for decent PCs (NOT Cyberpower)
« Reply #1 on: 13 September 2012, 06:59:01 pm »
I used to build my own PC's but then costs of prebuilt ones tumbled and it wasnt worth the effort any more. If your happy with something that isnt beelding edge, and unless you are a serious gamer, you should be, you can pick up a decent PC that will do everything you need for a few hundred pounds now.
Look around but do the checks on a CPU benchmark website as it is difficult to tell the difference from the numbers now compared to a few years ago.
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Re: Any recommendations for decent PCs (NOT Cyberpower)
« Reply #2 on: 13 September 2012, 09:11:53 pm »
I recently got a 'Zoo' from ebuyer. Can't remember the details but it was bloody cheap!

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Re: Any recommendations for decent PCs (NOT Cyberpower)
« Reply #3 on: 13 September 2012, 09:27:07 pm »
first question would be - do you need a PC or would laptop do the same thing (at least for what you are looking for it to do.

If the answer is yes - then the next question would be, what do I need it to do. If you want to play the latest games, then you are obviously looking for something fairly powerful.

If it is only the motherboard you are looking to replace, then it needs to be a similar replacement to match up to the processor (intel). There should be a number out there to choose from - I got my last 2 mother boards from ebay from "geeks" who were always trying to keep up to date so decent motherboard at a fraction of the new price.

Regarding your graphics card, according to AMD, then there should be support for that card on Windows 7 - have you downloaded and installed the latest drivers required?

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Re: Any recommendations for decent PCs (NOT Cyberpower)
« Reply #4 on: 14 September 2012, 11:28:19 am »
What do you use it for? If it's just the internet, letter/spreadsheet and the occasional DVD then any cheap to mid range desktop or laptop will do the job perfectly. A major advantage of a cheap PC is you can replace it much sooner if it breaks or if you need something more powerful. I would be reluctant to spend over £350.


If you are into computer games or do lots of processor intensive stuff like photo manipulation then you obviously need something more powerful. However, in in the case of computer games, I would recommend a separate games console alongside your cheap PC. You won't have to worry about minimum specs and all the latest titles will be designed to run perfectly on your hardware for years.

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Re: Any recommendations for decent PCs (NOT Cyberpower)
« Reply #5 on: 15 September 2012, 03:04:32 am »
I have always built my own systems and for friends/family, only a couple of times it worked out cheaper to buy pre-built as all they wanted was basic for internet and office. I still maintain and upgrade my own and friends/family systems so unless there is a major problem it's cheaper just to replace the faulty component.

The Radeon HD6850 works fine with Windows 7, although there had been some issues with freezing and BSOD with certain manufactuers. One thing I never do is load the drivers that come with the cards, they are only tweaked versions of the chipset manufactuer so I always use it direct from them, I use Nvidia card in my system so get the drivers off there site but in your case the driver download would be from AMD but then I do that with any card.

As you said the engineers said the motherboard was knackered and the voltages it could be that causing the other problems, if the voltages are spiking it can damage other components or especially with a graphics card under voltage and the card won't run correctly. Probably find if they said they suspect the motherboard was knackered from new then that is why you had so many problems with the system and having so much replaced.

If it was just the motherboard I would have said just replace that but you mentioned getting new graphics card, CPU and hard drives, although if possible I would try the CPU, graphics card and drives on another system if you could rather than paying out good money if it's just the motherboard that is knackered. You can get budget boards but then I would pay a little extra and go for mid range if you did that as you pay for what you get. So if you know anyone that has a system they are willing to let you test the drives and graphics card on then I would test them first, if they are newish drives they should have SMART on them or download the drive diagnostics from the manufactuer site and run the self tests to tell you the state of the drives, the graphics card is easy as if that works just use a site where you can stress test it plus you.

To give you an idea I just upgraded a friends system few months back with an Asus P8Z68-V Gen 3 motherboard, 8GB of 1600Mhz gaming ram, i5 2500K CPU and a 500GB Western Digital Cavier Blue 6GB/s Sata drive and that cost just under £400 with the motherboard and CPU being the most expensive items. So based on that if you were using the system for just basic things then you could probably build around what you got for around £325 with an entry level i7, be cheaper to go for an i5 2500K as that is faster than some of the entry level i7's, semi budget motherboard, budget graphics something that is still fast like a Nvidia GTX 500 series as they dropped in price since the release of the 600 series, same as AMD if you prefer them and my personal choice a Western Digital drive.
I always used to use either Seagate (they own Maxtor now so buy a Maxtor external and you will find a Seagate inside) or Western Digital but I found that the Western Digital Cavier range to be very reliable and slightly faster, especially over 500GB as my own system I got two 6GB/s Western Digitals and a Seagate Barracuda and that is the slowest of them all despite on paper it should be faster. So now I tend to fit Western Digital rather that Seagate, although again all depends what you want.

I'm lucky enough to have a local shop that more or less matches internet prices, although I do buy a lot of stuff through him so much easier than on-line of there is a problem as you got all the hassle of returns but like someone said you can pick up secondhand stuff off eBay, although it you wanted to go new there are places on-line like:

Overclockers UK
Ebuyer
Micro Direct
Dabs
Aria Technology
NovaTech
Scan Computers
 
All of these sell the replacement parts or pre-built budget systems. If you choose to go along the pre-built route then often like I did with a friend worth paying that little bit extra for a system that has the expansion slots as some very low priced systems have very little upgradable options, most come with onboard graphics and sound but I prefer to disable these and use a dedicated card for that and that onboard feature is just a backup if a component fails until you get a replacement.

Personally though before deciding I would see if you know anyone willing, even if they have an old system they don't use to test the graphics card and drives as seems pointless paying out for things you don't need to replace. Be nice if someone had a motherboard laying about to test the CPU but then that should hopefully be OK as the new ones are designed to prevent damage, although saying that all that side of things is run from the motherboard. Other thing that may have fried your motherboard is the power supply, that's something else I always use a decent one of I'm currently using a OCZ Technology one but the Targus, Antec and Cooler Master are decent ones, there are some other makes so good idea to check out what the popular ones are.

Hope you get it sorted anyway.