Author Topic: BREXIT (Read 227192 times)

VNA - BMW Wank · « **Reply #1225 on:** 30 December 2018, 09:13:24 pm »

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once Cameron got the result he should have immediately assembled a team of lawyers, businessmen, eu experts etc etc to not only get us the best result but prove to the world and the remainers it was not only doable but would be a resounding success.

But the problem is the vast majority of economists are all in agreement. That is that there is no deal that is better than the deal we have right now.

This is just a decades old obsession of the Tory party. It started off about the Tory party, and with a soon to be deadlocked government we will shortly be able to see that all still about the Tory party.

Meanwhile while the UK obsesses over trying to do something very stupid, and can get nothing else done, well the rest of the world is going to leave us behind.

mtread · « **Reply #1226 on:** 30 December 2018, 09:16:01 pm »

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once Cameron got the result he should have immediately assembled a team of lawyers, businessmen, eu experts etc etc to not only get us the best result but prove to the world and the remainers it was not only doable but would be a resounding success. sadly, hes a politician, so we all knew that wasn't going to happen. im just hoping against hope that whatever else happens, we still get out. everything is sortable from that point

Do you know I agree with everything you've said, even as a Remainer.

I think we end up leaving, but joining EFTA /Single Market. Or doing an individual deal with the EU that very closely matches that plus some immigration /residency concessions. Not my preferred option, but it fits with 'Leave' and at the same time protects UK exporters and solves the Irish Border.

ogri48 · « **Reply #1227 on:** 30 December 2018, 09:28:30 pm »

blimey mate...

VNA - BMW Wank · « **Reply #1228 on:** 30 December 2018, 09:58:39 pm »

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I think we end up leaving, but joining EFTA /Single Market. Or doing an individual deal with the EU that very closely matches that plus some immigration /residency concessions. Not my preferred option, but it fits with 'Leave' and at the same time protects UK exporters and solves the Irish Border.

It might respect the Good Friday agreement but it’s never going to fully satisfy the two countries in this Union that voted to REMAIN.

Further the fact is that all it achieves is that we become a rule taker, as opposed to a rule maker. We would have to give up sovereignty.

The BREXITEERS, who were for this during the campaign, now turn it on their head and jump on that simple fact. So you just end up in the same log jam.

I don’t know what the immigration /residency concessions would be as freedom of movement is in fact a non-issue.

VNA - BMW Wank · « **Reply #1229 on:** 30 December 2018, 10:06:50 pm »

Which of course is why May called a general election. Though she had a working majority she knew the reality was we were heading towards log jam. She thought with Corbyn now the Labour leader she could wipe out Labour and win a landslide majority big enough not to have to worry about extreme right-wing fruitcakes in the party. But it went tits up.

She then tried to go all presidential on us by attempting to bypass parliament, but that failed too.

We are stuck.

mtread · « **Reply #1230 on:** 30 December 2018, 10:42:46 pm »

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It might respect the Good Friday agreement but it’s never going to fully satisfy the two countries in this Union that voted to REMAIN.
Further the fact is that all it achieves is that we become a rule taker, as opposed to a rule maker. We would have to give up sovereignty.The BREXITEERS, who were for this during the campaign, now turn it on their head and jump on that simple fact. So you just end up in the same log jam.
I don’t know what the immigration /residency concessions would be as freedom of movement is in fact a non-issue.

It won't satisfy lots of people on all sides and in all configurations. Nothing will. It's a compromise. Yes we become a rule taker, but can exit any time in the future without going through this palaver. Freedom of movement would be part of the deal, but not indefinite residency.
As said, it's not what I want, but it's what I can see coming.

agricola · « **Reply #1231 on:** 31 December 2018, 06:55:23 pm »

Quote from: agricola on 30 December 2018, 07:13:53 pm

Quote from: mtread on 30 December 2018, 07:07:53 pm
Apart from food prices, how about imported food availability? Held up because of additional Customs controls?

Oh dear, here we go, another scare tactic, no food on the supermarket shelves

and the next one will be the lights going out

YamFazFan · « **Reply #1232 on:** 31 December 2018, 07:07:44 pm »

Quote from: agricola on 31 December 2018, 06:55:23 pm

Quote from: agricola on 30 December 2018, 07:13:53 pm
Quote from: mtread on 30 December 2018, 07:07:53 pm
Apart from food prices, how about imported food availability? Held up because of additional Customs controls?

Oh dear, here we go, another scare tactic, no food on the supermarket shelves

and the next one will be the lights going out

I've heard that the sky is going to fall in over the UK.

Mind you, if the Remainers project fear doesn't manage to reverse Brexit they'll be hoping it does fall down after the end of March so that they can be 'proved right'

mtread · « **Reply #1233 on:** 31 December 2018, 07:10:00 pm »

I think it's 'Project Fear' vs 'Project Fantasy' - everything's going to be great

mtread · « **Reply #1234 on:** 31 December 2018, 07:15:19 pm »

Incidentally, when I agreed with Ogri48 earlier in the thread, I had what's now known as a 'YamFazFan moment'. Don't know how that happened

And I haven't even started drinking yet!

VNA - BMW Wank · « **Reply #1235 on:** 31 December 2018, 07:16:40 pm »

Like I say I don't think pariament will be able to agree a deal.
Parliament will not accept NO DEAL.
Therefore we REMAIN in the EU.
By this time next year it will all be over.

VNA - BMW Wank · « **Reply #1236 on:** 31 December 2018, 07:20:54 pm »

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Incidentally, when I agreed with Ogri48 earlier in the thread, I had what's now known as a 'YamFazFan moment'. Don't know how that happened And I haven't even started drinking yet!

I wouldn't worry about it.
The only thing we can be sure about in all this, is that there is nothing we can be sure about.

I've put some money on we REMAIN in the EU. Putting aside that's what I'd like to see, I genuinely believe it's the most likely outcome.
The least likely outcome is NO DEAL.
And there's a fair chance of absolutely anything inbetween.

YamFazFan · « **Reply #1237 on:** 31 December 2018, 07:29:56 pm »

Quote from: mtread on 31 December 2018, 07:15:19 pm

Incidentally, when I agreed with Ogri48 earlier in the thread, I had what's now known as a 'YamFazFan moment'. Don't know how that happened And I haven't even started drinking yet!

Yes been there, done that, got the T-shirt

VNA - BMW Wank · « **Reply #1238 on:** 31 December 2018, 09:01:39 pm »

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mtread · « **Reply #1240 on:** 01 January 2019, 06:08:17 pm »

Happy New Year from the EU

celticdog · « **Reply #1241 on:** 01 January 2019, 08:41:01 pm »

that's a brilliant map mtread, love how it looks like Russia is saying- 'Sodom'

VNA - BMW Wank · « **Reply #1242 on:** 01 January 2019, 08:59:36 pm »

Lets not forget that Russia is keen to see the UK exit the EU.

mtread · « **Reply #1243 on:** 01 January 2019, 09:00:46 pm »

Indeed

dazza · « **Reply #1244 on:** 02 January 2019, 01:32:24 am »

Wonder if this is true http://www.breitbart.com/europe/2018/12/29/govt-whistleblower-uk-prepared-for-no-deal-brexit-scare-stories-absolutely-untrue/

mtread · « **Reply #1245 on:** 02 January 2019, 10:46:10 am »

No it isn't. When the government contracts a ferry company that doesn't have any ferries, that's usually a clue.

VNA - BMW Wank · « **Reply #1246 on:** 02 January 2019, 03:04:45 pm »

Breitbart News? Really?

dazza · « **Reply #1247 on:** 02 January 2019, 08:39:27 pm »

.

Quote from: mtread on 02 January 2019, 10:46:10 am

No it isn't. When the government contracts a ferry company that doesn't have any ferries, that's usually a clue.

Sadly, I think that's just the usual case of selective Government contracts being handed out to relations or close associates of government ministers.
I'd love to know if there are indeed any links between company directors and government officials.
Apparently the plans to run freight ferries out of Ramsgate were on the table well before Brexit.
As for having no ships, I'm sure there are suitable ships all over the coast of Britain being mothballed atm.
As for the links source VNA, I'm sure it was taken from a post in the Telegraph...Although I'm not sure that's much better.
I think people have lost confidence with any news source these days.
I've seen conflicting information on google and complete bullshit on wickipedia.

mtread · « **Reply #1248 on:** 02 January 2019, 11:39:58 pm »

The directors of Seaborne Ferries have been identified.

dazza · « **Reply #1249 on:** 04 January 2019, 10:35:28 am »

The cesspit that is the EU
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=377699802997385&id=1159720410844971